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Herald: Our next speaker has studied in Bielefeld,
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and he studied... laughterclapping
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what he did is: He studied laser physics.
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And now he is working at the Max Planck Institute
for extraterrestrial physics.
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And today he will explain you
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how it is possible to use laser light
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to enhance distorted images
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that were take from the earth
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of stars and galaxies and nebulars.
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So I want to hear a
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really loud and warm applaus
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for Peter Buschkamp with
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"Shooting lasers into space -
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For science"! applause
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All right! Thank you for the nice introduction
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Thank you, for coming here
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this evening.
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I'm very excited
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to speak at the conference.
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Finally I find a talk
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where I can contribute
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after all those years.
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I'm not going to talk about Bielefeld.
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You might want to hear something about that.
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I'm not allowed to tell you... right?
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Okay, so today I'm going to talk about
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a bit what is in my field
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of experties.
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If there is one thing
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I want to bring across to you
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then it is
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It's not about a single person
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showing this to you this evening.
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This is a team effort and a real team effort.
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So most of the images are done by
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a college of mine Julian Ziegeleder.
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And the PI of the project,
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so the leader of the project
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Sebastian Rabien
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has contributed some slides.
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And I wouldn't be standing here today
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and showing you these images
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if it wasn't for a huge team
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and many people.
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I hope this is reasonably complete,
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but I think there were even more.
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Many people have tributed most and
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long years of there career into such a project.
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So this is never about something
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which a single person does
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and he or she finds something very cool
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and then saves the world.
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No, it's always a big, big team!
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But before we actually see the lasers
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then in working, we have of course to clarify
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why we do this.
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This is not just because we can.
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We can! But there is a reason for that,
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because if you want to get funding,
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you have to write a reason and a reasonable
reason.
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Not just because "We want to!"
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So in the first part
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I will introduce you
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to the whole thing
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and we talk about bit... about the problem
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which we want to tackle
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with this kind of technique.
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I will mostly present only diagrams
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not actual hardware blocks or relays.
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So you get the basic concept.
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So when we do astronomy
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we do two types of things.
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We either do imaging,
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which is: We maybe produce a nice image
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of a star - so that's the blop over there -
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or we take this image,
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maybe this little blop over there,
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and make it into a spectrum,
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so disperse the light,
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and then we look at the differential intensity
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between the diverse colors
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or are there maybe
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- for example you see black lines in there -
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absorption bands and so on.
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To do such a thing you need a spectrograph
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and in a spectrograph
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there is a thing called an entrance slit.
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So this slit you have to
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put over your objects,
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so you don't get light from left or right next to the object
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to what you want to observe or analyse
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so that you only get light from where you
wanted.
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The thing is now
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this slit can not be made
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arbitrarily wide or small,
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because the width of the slit directly
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determines what kind of resolution
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you have in such a spectrometer.
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as it's called. This is a quantity
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Which needs to be above a certain value
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when you want to do certain kinds of analyses.
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So it has fixed width.
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So now if we look at an image produced
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of one of the most capable telescopes
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on this planet
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and we put a representation for this slit
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over the star
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- okay now its white, let's make this black -
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then you see if you want to go
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for that star over there,
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you do have a problem already.
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As said, you can't make this slit wider,
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but the star is actually larger than the slit,
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meaning that you lose light.
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"Well you lose some light...." No!
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If you want to quantitative measurements
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you want to have all the lights
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and all the pixels.
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So you can't get rid of them
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and just throwing something away.
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So, but our image is looking like that.
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It's maybe nice, so but can we do better?
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Yes, we can!
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And this is what we can achieve with
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adaptive optics.
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This is an image that has been produce
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with adaptive optics with a
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LASER AO assisted system.
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And if I flip back and forth you see
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there is a difference!
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All right! So why is that?
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Why don't we get this ideal images?
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The reason is because there is the atmosphere.
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The atmosphere is great for breathing.
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It's not that great for astronomy.
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So if you have a star up there somewhere
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in outer space
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- can be very far away - so the photon
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have travelled for 11 Billion years
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and now they finally hit the atmosphere
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and then something happens
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which you do not want.
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Okay, first they travel freely.
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There is a nice planar wavefront.
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So it's not disturbed by anything,
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maybe something but that's not the
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scope of this evening. It's planar, it's nice!
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And if you actually have a satellite,
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it's very cool.
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Because then you can directly record this
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undisturbed light.
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If you have something on the ground,
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well, you do get a problem,
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because the atmosphere introduces turbulence,
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because, well, the air wobbles a bit.
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There are stream coming from all directions.
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There are temperature gradients in there.
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And these all work together
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and make from this nice planar wave front
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a crumbled one.
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If you have a perfect image
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which you create
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- This is called "diffraction limit".
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This is just limited by the size
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of your optics.
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So the wider your optics is,
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the nicer your resolution is of your image.
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If you then build a large facility with
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maybe two 8 meter mirrors on the ground,
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well, you only get your seeing limited image.
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Seeing limited. The Seeing is this wobbling
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of the atmosphere as it's called.
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And that's about it.
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You can make it arbitrarily large.
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You won't get a better resolution
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then a backyard telescope
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of having 20cm in diameter.
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So yeah...
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What to do?
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There have been people, of course,
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thinking about this problem longer.
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And the first idea came up in 1953.
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And some guy Palomar Observatory
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in California said: "Well, if we have
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the means of continuously measuring
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the deviation of rays from all parts
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of the mirror and amplifying and feedback
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this information so as to correct locally
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the figure of the mirror
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in response to schlieren pattern,
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we could expect to compensate both
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for the seeing and for the inherent imperfections
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in the optical figure."
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Ehhh... what?
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So if we could somehow get rid of this wobbling
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or conteract that,
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then we could get this perfect
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diffraction limited imaging we get in space
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also on the ground.
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In the 1970s the US military started
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to experiment on that.
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Well, I guess the Russians too,
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but it's not... it's known that the US started
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at Starfire Optical Range.
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In 1982 they build the first AO system,
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adaptive optics system.
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The "Compensated Imaging System" on Hawaii.
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And in the late 80s the first astronomical
use,
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adaptive optics system "COME-ON"
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as it was called was installed at the
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Observatoire Haute-Provence
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and at ESO at La Silla.
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That's the European Space Observatory.
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All right so that was:
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Yeah, we get for we found that this
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fussy blob is actually not a fussy blob,
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but two fussy blobs.
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laughter
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Well it's a binary system as I would say
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if this was at an astronomical conference.
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But yeah, you disentangle things
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you could not see before.
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Okay! How does this AO system look like in
principle?
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So again we have this star somewhere,
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we've learned already that
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we do have... - actually you see this slight
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schlieren pattern in the air
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for the warm and the exhaust from the...
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Yes, there is a bit flimmering in the background.
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That's seeing. Okay?
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So the image is not as sharp here as
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it comes from the projector.
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Okay, that comes from somewhere
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and then we need a system
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which has three components.
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One is a deformable mirror,
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the other is a wave front sensor
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and the third one is a real time computer.
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We need something to actually measure
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what is going on.
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Then we need to take this measurement
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and extract some information from
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this measurement
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and then we need something
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which can correct this wave front,
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straighten it out so to speak,
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'cause we want to have it straight again.
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So the wave front sensor sends some information
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to the real time computer.
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This some information namely is:
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What is the curvature?
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How does this wiggled thingy look like?
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- The wavefront -
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And that real time computer computes
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then information that goes
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to the deformable mirror
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and that in real time shaped
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in an arbitrary shape
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conteracting that incoming wave front
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and then straightening it out.
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So we do have a light path like this.
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First it goes on the deformable mirror,
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goes on something else,
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which I will come to in a minute,
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and then this wave front sensor.
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And of course this means if you run it
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you do have a control loop,
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meaning measure something here,
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the wavefront,
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you put the information into there feeding
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that into the deformable mirror,
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that deforms somehow,
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modifies this wave front that comes
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from above and then of course
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you want to have a feedback loop:
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Is that what I did enough?
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Do I have to do more?
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And also: Of course in the next second
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or split second this pattern
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will have changed,
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because the atmosphere is dynamic.
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If it wasn't dynamic we don't need
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to do this in real time,
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but we have to do it in real time.
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Real time meaning we have to do this correction
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and calculation and sensing at a rate of
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about 1 kHz, so a 1000 times a second.
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Then we have a scientific instrument
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because actually we do want to see
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what is in there.
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And so this thing in the middle
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is a beam splitter.
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It takes some of the light,
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puts it to the wave front sensor
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not all, because most of it should go into
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the scientific instrument
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and there, as you see here,
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then the wave front is straightened out
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again and then I can focus it
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into my instrument.
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To do actually that
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I have to do...
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- This is the one slide in this talk
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with a Greek symbol -
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You have to this incoming wave front
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which is shown in orange
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and then you do a piecewise linear fit
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which is an approximation
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of the slope.
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Of it actually how it looks like.
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It's put into linear pieces.
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And the size of what is normally
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can be taken als a linear fit
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Piece is roughly 10 - 15 cm
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for good observation sites
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while this thingy here
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so this is the primary mirror of the telescope
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which collects all the light
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that comes from outer space
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is usually for the big telescopes
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at this point 8 to 10 meters
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Okay, but how do we get this slope?
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Now we know that we can approximate it
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in pieces, but how do we get
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the slope?
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Because we need theses slopes of course
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fed into this deformable mirror
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to maybe okay:
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If it comes like this, I go like this
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and it comes in nicely
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or comes out nicely.
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So is where the sensor comes in.
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There are different types of these sensors,
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but the one we are using
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is a so called Shack-Hartmann-Sensor.
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And it looks like this.
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We have... this is the ideal case of course.
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So we have an incoming planar wave front
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- straight on.
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And we do have an array of lenses,
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so it's just 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. lenses
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and then in an array like 4 by 4.
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And they all focus what is coming in
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into onto a detector and this wave front
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that is coming in is planar
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like this on the left.
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Then you do get a regular spaced grid
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of focus points, in this case 4 times 4
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so 16.
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If now this incoming wave front
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is no planar it looks like this.
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So the focus points do move a bit,
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because, well, it came in like this,
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so the focus is offset.
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I will flip it back and forth again.
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So it's looking like this and you see
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of course you do know what is perfect
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meaning they are
at their designated grid points.
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If its imperfect, well, then just measure
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the deviation from their zero position
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so to speak
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and then you do have a proxy for the slope.
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Of course it's a bit more complicated
than that.
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There are matrices involved which are not
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necessarily in a square form
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and you have to invert them
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and if you don't... yeah... ...
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There are pretty clever people
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and programmers working on this type of
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problems.
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And this is actual current research.
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This is far from done, this field.
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Okay, so suppose we do have the slopes.
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Then we take a deformable mirror
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and this is the zeros order approximation
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of a deformable mirror.
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Let's say the wave front looks like that,
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well, then take just a mirror which is
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maybe reset a bit in the middle
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the other tipped forward.
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It bounces on this mirror
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and because there is something sticking out there
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and in there
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well if this approaches there goes back
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and in the end the whole thing
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when it has been reflected is planar again.
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Okay, that as said,
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that is the easiest order approximation
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for that. It's a bit more complicated.
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Your incoming wave front doesn't look like that
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It's normally a bit more complex.
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And that means you do have to have
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more wobbling in your deformable mirror.
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You could do this.
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That's in the upper diagram.
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You could do this with a membran
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which is continues
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or maybe it's also in pieces
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and this segments are driven up and down
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or maybe tilted by piezo stages
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that are put underneath.
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Remember they have to do like
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a thousand times a second
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or you could do something like
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you take a two piezo electric wafers
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they have opposite polarizations
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put electrodes inbetween
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and then when you apply a voltage to this blue
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electrodes then you have local bending.
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So the one thing will bend up,
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the other ones will bend in the opposite direction.
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And then you do have changing curvature
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on this whole thing.
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It's not that easy of course in reality,
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because they are not completely independent
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one cell will influence the other
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and yes...
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But this is the basic principle.
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Okay, now you have seen
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there was this beam splitter.
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So most of the thing goes into the
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science instrument
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and some goes to our wave front sensor
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of the light.
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If the object we want to record like
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a galaxy that is 11 Billion lightyears away
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then this galaxy is to faint.
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We can't analyse it's light.
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So what do we do?
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We need maybe a star that is nearby.
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So our galaxy, which we actually do want
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to observe, is the red thingy
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the bright star is the yellow one
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and if there are reasonably close together
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- reasonably close meaning
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about 10-20 arcseconds.
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If you stretch your arm and look at
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your little finger at the finger nail,
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this is about 30 arcminutes.
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1 arcminute has 60 arcseconds so it's
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very close!
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It's not like the galaxy is there
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and the star is there. No!
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It's there!
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Because if you have a large separation
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then they do sense different turbulence.
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Simple as that.
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Now the thing is
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that less than 10% of the objects
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you have on sky
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which you are normally interested
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do have a sufficiently close and bright star
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nearby.
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So what to do?
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And now we come to the lasers.
laughter
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Because if don't have your....
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If the don't wanna play nicely
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build your own themepark with yes ... you know.
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So make your own star!
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This is what we do.
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Because if the star is not nearby,
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a sufficiently bright one,
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well, why has it to be sufficiently bright?
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Because if you want to do this computation
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a thousand times a second, well,
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then the time for your CCD
when you record this image
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for your wavefront is a thousands of a second.
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And if you don't have enough photons
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in a thousands of a second, well,
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then there is no computation of this offset
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of this little green dots on that grid.
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So you need a lot of photons.
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So let's get enough photons!
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And there are actually two things
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what you can do.
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There is a conveniently placed sodium layer
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in the upper atmosphere.
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laughing
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It's 19 km above ground
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and there is a sodium layer.
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And what you actually can do is
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you can take a laser on ground here,
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and then shot laser which corresponds
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to the energy transition of this sodium atoms
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which is 589.2 nm. It's orange.
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And excited those atoms up there
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in the atmosphere and they will
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start to glow.
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And if you have a focus,
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if you focus it in there,
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and than you have a blob of sodium atoms
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lighting up in the upper atmosphere,
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maybe... what ever some hundred meters long
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and some meters wide
as big as your focus is there.
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This can be done with a continuous laser.
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This has been done in the past.
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Yes, of course.
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And actually the first instruments
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were build like that.
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The thing is
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in those days they were very, very expensive.
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There is no sodium laser.
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There are only Di LASERs and they are messy
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and expensive.
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Nowadays we can build this as fibre laser
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but not ten 10 years ago or 15 years ago.
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An other solution is to actually
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use Rayleigh scattering in the atmosphere.
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You use a Nd-YAG LASER
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which is 532nm. It's green.
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It's easily available, it's cheap
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compared to the other one.
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And then you focus it in the atmosphere.
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The only thing is:
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You will do have backscatter of photons
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all along the way.
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So you have to think about
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how can I only record light from
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a certain height above ground?
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Because otherwise I don't have a spot,
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I have a ...ehhh... a laser beam column
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somewhere there.
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Okay!
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How do this things look like?
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Can we dim these lights actually a bit?
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Or is it only an off switch?
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Can you check on this? Let's check on there...
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Just push the button... come on...
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No? No. No!
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laughing
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Nooo!
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It's still on here...
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gasp
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All right, it's looking like this.
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Who has been at the camp?
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There was an astronomy talk at the camp
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from Liz.
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Actually if this talk had been tomorrow
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we would had have a live conference
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to that side because Liz is right now here
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and she send me that picture
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just some hours ago.
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That is how the just do things on
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Paranal in Chile.
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The thing I will talk about
00:22:42.309 --> 00:22:44.900
is the green one to the right.
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That's the thing I have been involved with.
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Yea, let's look into that.
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So if you shoot the laser into the atmosphere
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of course you do have problem.
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The star is very far away,
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it's infinitely far away.
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And the light that comes down
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is in a cylinder.
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And if you shoot a laser up, it's a cone.
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So you only probe the green region.
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The unsampled volume of turbulence
is to the side.
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That is a problem with our laser AO.
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An other problem we face is this one.
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When we take a star to measure the wave front
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then it passes only once through the atmosphere.
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The laser beam goes up and down.
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And so there is a component
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called tip tilt component
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which is actually just the thing moving around
00:23:40.870 --> 00:23:43.799
It's not just the phase
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that gets disturbance introduced
00:23:45.929 --> 00:23:48.600
in the wave front but this moving around.
00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:54.630
So not the bright and more
or less bright twinkling
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little star thingy,
00:23:56.539 --> 00:23:58.289
but the moving around.
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And that can not be sensed
with a laser guild star.
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So when ever we do laser AO
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We do need an other star
00:24:04.570 --> 00:24:05.600
to get this component.
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But this star can be a bit further away,
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like an arcminute or 2 arcminutes or so.
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So it's that... is wide. There are enough.
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And then we should think about
00:24:18.490 --> 00:24:20.220
actually what we have to correct and so
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we should make a profile of the turbulence
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above ground.
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And this is how it looks like.
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And for example for the side
00:24:29.390 --> 00:24:32.370
where we are there in Arizona
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we see that most of the turbulence
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is actually just above the ground.
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So we maybe should care mostly
00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:41.220
about the ground layer.
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It's not so much about the high altitude things.
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So and then what we do is:
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Well we want to sample
00:24:48.580 --> 00:24:50.660
the ground stuff nicely
00:24:50.660 --> 00:24:54.679
so we don't take one but 3 lasers.
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So to fill this area nicely.
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And yes, of course, we can also combine this
00:25:00.210 --> 00:25:03.410
and this looks like that.
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This combination we will not talk about today.
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We will only talk about that.
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This is how it looks like.
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So this is our telescope, the primary mirror
00:25:13.110 --> 00:25:16.590
which receives the light from outer space
00:25:16.590 --> 00:25:19.460
it then deflects on the secondary, tertiary
00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:20.600
and than somewhere here.
00:25:20.600 --> 00:25:22.610
But first we need to have to shoot the laser up.
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And it's launched from a laser box
00:25:25.539 --> 00:25:28.940
onto a mirror behind that secondary mirror
00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:30.530
over there into the atmosphere
00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:33.400
and after 40 microseconds it reaches
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.200
an altitude of 12 km.
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And then of course it comes back.
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After 80 microseconds it's here
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in our detector again.
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So the star then lights up,
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has this cone, get's focused there, focus,
00:25:46.050 --> 00:25:48.460
reflected to here
00:25:48.460 --> 00:25:53.820
and we do have our signal
in our detector after 80 ms
00:25:53.820 --> 00:25:55.429
and as said, because of course
00:25:55.429 --> 00:25:59.070
the laser has scattering all along its path,
00:25:59.070 --> 00:26:03.350
you want to gate this information to 12 km
00:26:03.350 --> 00:26:05.539
and well then you just -just- look at
00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:06.880
when your laser pulse started
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.419
wait. wait. wait. wait. wait.
00:26:09.419 --> 00:26:11.500
open the shutter for the detector
00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:14.980
for short time after 80ms,
00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:16.350
close it again and then analyse
00:26:16.350 --> 00:26:18.699
and read out what you just did.
00:26:18.699 --> 00:26:19.960
Easy, huh?
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:21.520
So we are done.
00:26:21.520 --> 00:26:23.390
Thank you for coming to my talk
00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:26.400
and now go out and build your own lasers
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.799
with... to...
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.980
laughing
00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:34.309
Now we are going to look at this thing
00:26:34.309 --> 00:26:37.370
which is actually build and which works.
00:26:37.370 --> 00:26:39.650
So this is called ARGOS.
00:26:39.650 --> 00:26:41.250
It's a ground layer AO system.
00:26:41.250 --> 00:26:42.570
That's what we want to build.
00:26:42.570 --> 00:26:44.210
It has wide field corrections.
00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:46.110
That means you can not correct
00:26:46.110 --> 00:26:49.559
just a tiny patch on sky but for for astronomical use
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.190
a huge area, meaning it's not just
00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:54.070
a circle of 10 arcseconds but
00:26:54.070 --> 00:26:56.850
this thing can correct 4 by 4 arcminutes
00:26:56.850 --> 00:26:58.230
which is huge,
00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:01.559
so all the objects that are in there.
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.669
We have a multi-laser constellation.
00:27:03.669 --> 00:27:05.140
We have seen that why we need this,
00:27:05.140 --> 00:27:05.850
because we want to fill
00:27:05.850 --> 00:27:06.940
the complete ground layer.
00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:10.289
So we have 3 laser guild stars per eye.
00:27:10.289 --> 00:27:11.480
Why per eye?
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.070
This will be clear in minute.
00:27:14.070 --> 00:27:17.419
And we use high power pulse green lasers.
00:27:17.419 --> 00:27:20.710
And this deformable mirror is actually
00:27:20.710 --> 00:27:22.970
build in the telescope system already.
00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:25.299
The secondary mirror is the deformable mirror
00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:26.960
which is very convenient,
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.320
because then all the instruments,
00:27:29.320 --> 00:27:31.020
that sit on the telescope can benefit from
00:27:31.020 --> 00:27:33.980
this system.
00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:36.270
It's installed at this telescope.
00:27:36.270 --> 00:27:38.240
Look's pretty odd. Yes, I admit that.
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:39.780
That's the Large Binocular Telescope.
00:27:39.780 --> 00:27:41.850
It's two telescopes on one mount.
00:27:41.850 --> 00:27:44.299
One primary, two primaries.
00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:47.570
It's roughly 23 by 25 by 12 meters.
00:27:47.570 --> 00:27:50.789
It sits on Mont Graham in Arizona.
00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:52.470
And it has an adaptive secondary mirror
00:27:52.470 --> 00:27:58.159
which is this violette coloured thingy
00:27:58.159 --> 00:28:00.630
up there in the middle on top.
00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:04.760
This is how it looks like.
00:28:04.760 --> 00:28:05.720
This is the control room
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:06.800
where you sit.
00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:09.470
This stays fixed.
00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:11.890
All this shiny part rotates.
00:28:11.890 --> 00:28:12.860
That's the actual telescope,
00:28:12.860 --> 00:28:14.500
the red thing that moves up and down.
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:17.169
So the whole building rotates and it moves
00:28:17.169 --> 00:28:19.210
up and down.
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:27.419
It's from ceiling... the ceiling is at level
11.
00:28:27.419 --> 00:28:30.990
So when you actually sit there,
00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:34.779
you can watch around a bit
00:28:34.779 --> 00:28:39.960
... this is outside... it's winter... yuh!...
let's see...
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.940
There is a ladder...
00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:46.070
Yes, this thing is huge...eh.. nice.. cool
00:28:46.070 --> 00:28:47.960
Okay, that's what it's looks like
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:53.740
when you are actually there.
00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:56.870
Okay, our system layout is like this.
00:28:56.870 --> 00:28:59.789
We have this adaptive secondary mirror
00:28:59.789 --> 00:29:02.820
which is the deformable mirror.
00:29:02.820 --> 00:29:05.580
We have the primary, tertiary.
00:29:05.580 --> 00:29:06.900
That is clear already.
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:11.520
So we have a laser box.
00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:15.240
The green things is the lasers themselfs.
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:16.299
So that's how it looks like.
00:29:16.299 --> 00:29:18.179
We produce some laser beams.
00:29:18.179 --> 00:29:19.970
We have steering mirrors in there
00:29:19.970 --> 00:29:22.190
to get them into the right pattern on sky
00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:22.980
of course.
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:24.330
We do have control cameras,
00:29:24.330 --> 00:29:25.870
if : Is the focus right?
00:29:25.870 --> 00:29:27.059
Is the position right?
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.280
This is one control loop
00:29:28.280 --> 00:29:30.039
another control loop, another control loop
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:31.590
an other control loop.
00:29:31.590 --> 00:29:33.140
The black thing is the shutter.
00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:35.030
Because we have to close this whole thing,
00:29:35.030 --> 00:29:36.870
when aircrafts are overhead,
00:29:36.870 --> 00:29:38.500
when satellites are overhead.
00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:40.120
So if you want to use this system,
00:29:40.120 --> 00:29:43.100
you have to, 6 weeks in advance, you have to
00:29:43.100 --> 00:29:45.809
put out your list of observable targets
00:29:45.809 --> 00:29:47.230
to some military agency.
00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:49.309
And they will tell you: Okay! Not Okay!
00:29:49.309 --> 00:29:51.840
Okay! Not Okay! Not Okay! Not Okay! Okay!
00:29:51.840 --> 00:29:54.600
Not Okay, meaning something is passing overhead.
00:29:54.600 --> 00:29:56.710
Hmm... what could this be?
00:29:56.710 --> 00:30:03.460
laughing
00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:04.950
Of course, at some point the lasers
00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:07.360
come down again in this cone shape.
00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:11.039
They will reach the primary mirror
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.110
and ultimately it will end up
00:30:14.110 --> 00:30:15.210
in the wave front sensor
00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.270
which is much more complex than just this box.
00:30:18.270 --> 00:30:21.929
I showed you before.
00:30:21.929 --> 00:30:23.220
So there are aquisition cameras
00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:25.409
which detect are we at the right spot.
00:30:25.409 --> 00:30:27.990
Do the spots get onto the detector
00:30:27.990 --> 00:30:29.789
in a nice fashion.
00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:31.659
We do have to do this gating, remember?
00:30:31.659 --> 00:30:33.020
We have to open this shutter
00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:36.570
for the CCD when we want to record the light.
00:30:36.570 --> 00:30:39.659
This tiny fraction after 80ms.
00:30:39.659 --> 00:30:43.510
After the laser pulse has been launched.
00:30:43.510 --> 00:30:44.250
It's done in here.
00:30:44.250 --> 00:30:45.179
These are Pockel Cells.
00:30:45.179 --> 00:30:49.320
So its an electro optical effect.
00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:53.980
And then there is also something
00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:55.940
in addition because I said
00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:58.549
we can't do without the tip tilt
00:30:58.549 --> 00:31:00.049
and there is another unit in here
00:31:00.049 --> 00:31:03.059
that sits right in front of the science instrument
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:04.799
that detects this tip tilt star,
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.140
this additional star.
00:31:08.140 --> 00:31:11.020
So you have the laser wave front light,
00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.970
the green one, you do have this tip tilt light,
00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:15.049
the blue one,
00:31:15.049 --> 00:31:17.080
and you do have the actual science light
00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:20.250
from the object you want to observe on sky.
00:31:20.250 --> 00:31:22.799
That goes directly into this scientific instrument
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.250
in the end.
00:31:25.250 --> 00:31:28.020
And then you have a lot of control things.
00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:29.929
Of course, you do need a common clock
00:31:29.929 --> 00:31:33.470
for this synchronization of all this pulses
00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:35.760
and the gating and what not.
00:31:35.760 --> 00:31:37.260
And of course you need the information
00:31:37.260 --> 00:31:40.260
for the tip tilt component and for the wave
front
00:31:40.260 --> 00:31:41.440
into this computer
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.110
which sends then all the slops
00:31:44.110 --> 00:31:45.760
- you remember we have to do this
00:31:45.760 --> 00:31:48.760
linear approximation pieces wise, yes -
00:31:48.760 --> 00:31:49.929
into the secondary mirror
00:31:49.929 --> 00:31:52.880
which than deforms in real time.
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.120
And does this a thousand times a second.
00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:59.470
This is how it looks like.
00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:05.210
So when I am there I am roughly that tall.
00:32:05.210 --> 00:32:08.000
The two black tubes right in the middle,
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.960
those are the two tubes which go up.
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.710
Looks like this.
00:32:14.710 --> 00:32:17.529
So, this is how the components are distributed
00:32:17.529 --> 00:32:21.460
over the telescope... once back.. okay
00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:24.220
primary mirror, primary mirror,
00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:26.390
some instruments in the middle,
00:32:26.390 --> 00:32:28.409
some tertiary mirror,
00:32:28.409 --> 00:32:31.839
the secondaries, the adaptive ones up there.
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.900
Yes, I hate to use this laser pointers.
00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:39.440
laughing
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:40.690
Because I am always going like this... eee
00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:44.520
(green laser pointer on the slides)
00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:48.610
laughing
00:32:48.610 --> 00:32:52.939
That's my man! laughing
00:32:52.939 --> 00:32:54.650
So okay!
00:32:54.650 --> 00:32:58.440
So we do have the adaptive secondary
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.940
up there and then it goes back on the
00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:02.860
tertiary down there and then it goes over
00:33:02.860 --> 00:33:04.580
into the science instrument,
00:33:04.580 --> 00:33:11.999
all the wave front sensors and what not.
00:33:11.999 --> 00:33:14.879
Again, we do have a laser system.
00:33:14.879 --> 00:33:16.760
We have to place somewhere a launch system
00:33:16.760 --> 00:33:19.700
for the laser, a dichroic to separate
00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:23.480
between the laser light, the tip tilt light
and the science light.
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.460
We do have to have a wave front sensor
00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:27.529
to check how the wave front looks like.
00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:29.039
We do have to have this tip tilt control.
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:29.890
We have calibration source.
00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:31.240
A calibration source would be nice
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.510
to calibrate the system during daytime,
00:33:33.510 --> 00:33:38.260
aircraft detection, yes, satellite avoidance,
00:33:38.260 --> 00:33:41.279
-also an issue here- and a control software.
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.840
There are many people just writing...
00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:45.830
...just haha... writing software for this.
00:33:45.830 --> 00:33:51.350
And this is really hard.
00:33:51.350 --> 00:33:53.179
Some are also on the conference.
00:33:53.179 --> 00:33:54.370
They don't want to be pointed out
00:33:54.370 --> 00:33:56.200
as I learned, but you will find them
00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:01.059
at the conference, if you look at the right places.
00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:05.700
That's where the laser box is located.
00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:09.449
Just next to it is the electronics rack.
00:34:09.449 --> 00:34:10.839
How does this thing look like?
00:34:10.839 --> 00:34:12.730
So that is one of our lasers.
00:34:12.730 --> 00:34:17.839
It's about 20 W. Don't get your finger in there.
00:34:17.839 --> 00:34:19.099
laughing
00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:20.940
It really hurts.
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:25.329
(Did you try?) No!
00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:30.260
There is a mandatory annual laser training of course.
00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:34.679
Yes, if you want to have something
like this at home,
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.280
you do need a huge refrigerator next to it
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.940
just for the cooling of that thing.
00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:41.580
This is nothing you want to have at home.
00:34:41.580 --> 00:34:46.418
Just because it's... that bulky... no..it's
not..
00:34:46.418 --> 00:34:47.818
but actually when you do
00:34:47.818 --> 00:34:49.379
this green laser pointer thingy
00:34:49.379 --> 00:34:50.790
then there is always this always this:
00:34:50.790 --> 00:34:52.770
"Don't use this for more than 10 seconds."
00:34:52.770 --> 00:34:54.429
Because why? Because the crystal inside
00:34:54.429 --> 00:34:55.429
heats up.
00:34:55.429 --> 00:34:56.980
And if you can't dissipate that heat
00:34:56.980 --> 00:34:58.770
the crystal at some point breaks
00:34:58.770 --> 00:35:00.710
and then your laser pointer is broken.
00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:02.990
This thing gets continuously cooled.
00:35:02.990 --> 00:35:06.510
So, therefore it's a bit more expensive.
00:35:06.510 --> 00:35:08.960
laughing
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:10.250
If you than put it up,
00:35:10.250 --> 00:35:12.190
so this is still on the lab table
00:35:12.190 --> 00:35:13.589
when it was integrated and tested
00:35:13.589 --> 00:35:15.530
and than at some point it gets put all
00:35:15.530 --> 00:35:17.820
in a box with all this control mirrors
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:20.020
and cameras and what not.
00:35:20.020 --> 00:35:22.030
But finally you see in the middle
00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:23.520
on this picture there is
00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:26.010
a focusing lens and then you see
00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:29.300
these 3 tiny little beam coming out of there
00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:32.359
which than expand on sky in size
00:35:32.359 --> 00:35:36.089
of course when they are in 12 km height
00:35:36.089 --> 00:35:38.730
but that's how they come out of it.
00:35:38.730 --> 00:35:41.339
And if you install this in the telescope,
00:35:41.339 --> 00:35:42.869
you actually have to tilt the telescope,
00:35:42.869 --> 00:35:44.280
because otherwise you can't reach it.
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.880
And then you need your climbing gear.
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.520
So once you have produced the lasers,
00:35:50.520 --> 00:35:52.310
you need to propagate them to a through
00:35:52.310 --> 00:35:57.849
a dust tube onto a launch mirror,
00:35:57.849 --> 00:36:00.369
a folding mirror and from there to
00:36:00.369 --> 00:36:02.960
a launch mirror.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.460
Yes and then it looks like this!
00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:09.730
Okay, so the lasers come from here into that
00:36:09.730 --> 00:36:11.690
and then over to the other side
00:36:11.690 --> 00:36:14.859
over the secondary mirror and then
00:36:14.859 --> 00:36:17.920
being shot right up into space
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.450
like this.
00:36:20.450 --> 00:36:23.950
Okay, so if you want to have that at home,
00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:27.020
.... eh... but I can tell you the whole facility
00:36:27.020 --> 00:36:31.980
does cost less than one fully equipped Eurofighter
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:44.750
laughing
applause
00:36:44.750 --> 00:36:48.470
Thank you for taking the hint.
00:36:48.470 --> 00:36:50.339
Yeah, that's how it looks like.
00:36:50.339 --> 00:36:53.260
It's.... yes it's... laughing ... yeah...
00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:56.620
laughingapplause Okay?
00:36:56.620 --> 00:36:59.960
okay... I have to admit this are a bit longer exposers.
00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:01.420
It's not that bright and green
00:37:01.420 --> 00:37:04.450
when you are actually at the telescope up
there.
00:37:04.450 --> 00:37:07.510
But if you have been in the dark long enough
00:37:07.510 --> 00:37:11.460
around ten minutes, then I really becomes bright.
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:13.640
There is a little telescope that observes,
00:37:13.640 --> 00:37:15.859
where actually the spots are on sky.
00:37:15.859 --> 00:37:17.089
And if we have clear sky,
00:37:17.089 --> 00:37:19.260
then we have this constellation on the right.
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.830
So that is how the lasers come up.
00:37:21.830 --> 00:37:25.330
As I said you do see them all the way up,
00:37:25.330 --> 00:37:26.990
but we are interested in the little dots
00:37:26.990 --> 00:37:27.490
at the end.
00:37:27.490 --> 00:37:28.910
You can barely see them.
00:37:28.910 --> 00:37:30.190
If there are high clouds,
00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:36.080
well than we produce something like this.
00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:39.000
We have the dichroic when the light comes
back down
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.930
as said.
00:37:39.930 --> 00:37:42.349
Which separates the science light in red
00:37:42.349 --> 00:37:44.320
and the laser light in green.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.030
This is how it looks like.
00:37:46.030 --> 00:37:49.890
Actually the dichroic is right in front of
Sebatian there
00:37:49.890 --> 00:37:51.930
and from there it gets then reflected
00:37:51.930 --> 00:37:55.220
on a reflector and then up into the
00:37:55.220 --> 00:37:59.310
wave front sensing unit.
00:37:59.310 --> 00:38:03.990
So there is the dichroic, there is the reflector,
00:38:03.990 --> 00:38:06.420
and it goes over in this unit
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:11.300
which is the wave front sensing unit
00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:13.349
which sits there, at the side.
00:38:13.349 --> 00:38:20.150
That's how it looks, when it gets installed.
00:38:20.150 --> 00:38:22.359
And that is how it looks inside.
00:38:22.359 --> 00:38:24.160
So you have the 3 laser beams coming
00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:26.619
from the side, from the sky, of course.
00:38:26.619 --> 00:38:27.720
You have patrol cameras
00:38:27.720 --> 00:38:30.030
which monitor where are these?
00:38:30.030 --> 00:38:32.570
Are they at the right spot?
00:38:32.570 --> 00:38:36.330
Do we have to steer the lasers a bit?
00:38:36.330 --> 00:38:42.160
Than we have some control for the position
00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:45.760
of the laser spots and the field.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.310
The Pockel cells are the ones
00:38:47.310 --> 00:38:49.520
that do this opening and closing in front
00:38:49.520 --> 00:38:50.230
of the shutter.
00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:52.089
You can't use a mechanic shutter in front
00:38:52.089 --> 00:38:52.890
of the CCD.
00:38:52.890 --> 00:38:55.280
We have to do this electro optically
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.970
So you have a polarization of the laserbeams.
00:38:59.970 --> 00:39:03.440
And you have a polarizer... a cross polarizer
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.420
and then you just turn the polarisation
00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:06.740
of the crystals.
00:39:06.740 --> 00:39:08.410
It's an electro optical effect
00:39:08.410 --> 00:39:10.700
and then it gets passed through
00:39:10.700 --> 00:39:12.700
or it gets blocked.
00:39:12.700 --> 00:39:15.540
Then you also of course have this lens slit arrays
00:39:15.540 --> 00:39:19.080
in there and then the CCD
00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:21.599
which actually records this dot pattern.
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.470
You remember, this 4 by 4...
00:39:23.470 --> 00:39:25.540
well it's not 4 by 4 in our case we do
00:39:25.540 --> 00:39:28.660
have a bit more resolution.
00:39:28.660 --> 00:39:32.339
The sensory looks like this.
00:39:32.339 --> 00:39:35.589
This is actually a custom build CCD.
00:39:35.589 --> 00:39:37.170
Very special.
00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:38.599
The imaging area is in the middle
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.990
and when you read out the thing,
00:39:40.990 --> 00:39:43.250
you split the image in half,
00:39:43.250 --> 00:39:44.720
you transfer it to the sides
00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:46.960
to the frame store area and than read it out.
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.210
'Cause read out is slow, transfer is fast.
00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:51.380
And you have to do this a thousand times
00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:54.190
a second at very low read out noise,
00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:58.560
which is only 4 electron read out noise.
00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:01.109
For the experts here in the audience,
00:40:01.109 --> 00:40:05.030
this is very good.
00:40:05.030 --> 00:40:08.280
It's not many pixels but it's more than enough for us.
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:09.730
So how does this look like?
00:40:09.730 --> 00:40:11.030
It looks like that!
00:40:11.030 --> 00:40:13.380
So there you have your pattern again,
00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:15.130
regularly spaces pattern of course
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:19.310
from 3 laser guild stars you get 3 patterns
00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:21.900
and then you analyse, well, the position,
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.230
the relative position, the absolute position
00:40:24.230 --> 00:40:26.490
of those stars on their grid,
00:40:26.490 --> 00:40:29.530
and somehow compute this slopes
00:40:29.530 --> 00:40:33.070
from there feed them back, compute then
00:40:33.070 --> 00:40:35.530
actually electrical information from them
00:40:35.530 --> 00:40:37.450
which you can than feed into your
00:40:37.450 --> 00:40:39.240
deformable mirror again
00:40:39.240 --> 00:40:42.950
which sits on top of the telescope
00:40:42.950 --> 00:40:47.180
and then hopefully everything works.
00:40:47.180 --> 00:40:49.780
This you can digest at home.
laughing
00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:52.220
It's in the stream now so it will be
00:40:52.220 --> 00:40:54.329
saved for all eternity
00:40:54.329 --> 00:40:55.240
and all the aliens
00:40:55.240 --> 00:40:57.940
which record all the electromagnetic field
00:40:57.940 --> 00:41:00.790
from Bielefeld... (mumbling)
00:41:00.790 --> 00:41:02.050
laughing
00:41:02.050 --> 00:41:05.579
Anyway, so, just in short.
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:08.550
There is down in green there is this thing
00:41:08.550 --> 00:41:12.140
that goes up from the lasers through
00:41:12.140 --> 00:41:14.660
some steering mirrors.
00:41:14.660 --> 00:41:19.710
We have diagnostics, then we got to focus
00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:21.530
check launch mirror one and launch mirror two
00:41:21.530 --> 00:41:24.579
onto sky and then we go back
00:41:24.579 --> 00:41:27.000
up there N1 is the primary mirror.
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.099
And then we go through this whole chain
00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.740
and there are various control loops
00:41:31.740 --> 00:41:35.109
sitting in there.
00:41:35.109 --> 00:41:37.070
And all this things have to talk together
00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:40.720
on very high rates.
00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:44.579
Sometimes you see 1 kHz other things are a bit slower.
00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:50.030
This all needs highly sophisticated control software.
00:41:50.030 --> 00:41:51.950
And the programmers can be real proud
00:41:51.950 --> 00:41:54.050
of what they did in the past
00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:56.990
with all this control loops.
00:41:56.990 --> 00:42:00.200
The tip tilt is very... much much much easier,
00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:00.829
because all the...
00:42:00.829 --> 00:42:01.960
you remember this tip tilt
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:03.400
so this all is moving around.
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.030
So you have 4 quadrants at a little cell
00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:08.390
and it moves to somewhere up, down,
00:42:08.390 --> 00:42:09.060
left, right.
00:42:09.060 --> 00:42:10.760
You can easily detect that.
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.280
That is feed into an array
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.470
of 4 Avalanche Photon Diodes
00:42:17.470 --> 00:42:20.020
to actually record this and for that
00:42:20.020 --> 00:42:22.119
we don't need many photons.
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.180
So this tip tilt star can comparably...
00:42:24.180 --> 00:42:28.130
be comparably dim.
00:42:28.130 --> 00:42:30.680
The calibration unit for the daytime calibration
00:42:30.680 --> 00:42:32.130
can be put into the beam,
00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:34.150
so this arms can swing over,
00:42:34.150 --> 00:42:35.750
over the primary mirror and then we can
00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:40.910
inject artificial stars via a hologram
00:42:40.910 --> 00:42:42.890
into the whole unit during daytime
00:42:42.890 --> 00:42:44.510
and calibrate this whole thing.
00:42:44.510 --> 00:42:48.560
And than yes, we are back here.
00:42:48.560 --> 00:42:52.210
This is how we look like.
00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:57.460
Maybe concentrate on this two areas first.
00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:00.750
I will flip back an forth many times.
00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:02.260
But, yeah, what is this?
00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:04.400
Are this two stars which are just fuzzy
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:05.700
and dim?
00:43:05.700 --> 00:43:07.510
Or is this an extended object?
00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:09.480
The upper one may be a galaxy because it's
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.030
elongated.
00:43:11.030 --> 00:43:13.970
Okay, concentrate on that.
00:43:13.970 --> 00:43:24.450
Well, it actually just a bunch of stars.
00:43:24.450 --> 00:43:26.099
And this is over a huge field.
00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:28.170
So the correction is not just in the middle
00:43:28.170 --> 00:43:30.570
but you can see also at the very edges
00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:33.040
of this image, we do see this improvement
00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:34.540
in image quality.
00:43:34.540 --> 00:43:39.480
Of course you can have the diagram, if you want.
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.190
So the blue line is without the thing beam activated,
00:43:43.190 --> 00:43:44.300
open loop,
00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:46.349
and if we close the control loop, to do
00:43:46.349 --> 00:43:49.040
this measurement and correction in real time
00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:53.589
we do squeeze all the energy into a few pixels
00:43:53.589 --> 00:43:54.800
which of course also means
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.730
our signal to noise level in a single pixel
00:43:57.730 --> 00:43:59.140
goes up tremendously.
00:43:59.140 --> 00:44:00.460
Meaning you can decrease
00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:03.320
your exposer time.
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.200
Which is important if you want to observe
galaxies
00:44:06.200 --> 00:44:09.349
at this telescopes
00:44:09.349 --> 00:44:12.480
it's 200 Dollars a minute.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:16.460
laughing
00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:18.370
It's not cheap.
00:44:18.370 --> 00:44:23.920
Okay, good so... the thing...
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.520
just last week there was
another commissioning run
00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:30.339
testing commissioning run for this system.
00:44:30.339 --> 00:44:34.420
And my colleges José Borelli and Lorenzo Busoni
00:44:34.420 --> 00:44:36.450
have done a nice video.
00:44:36.450 --> 00:44:38.810
The music btw. "hallo gamer"
00:44:38.810 --> 00:44:42.599
it's royalty for ears...
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.040
If it was now darker therefore I asked,
00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:47.880
this would come up nicer,
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.060
but let's see!
00:44:49.060 --> 00:44:50.880
There is sound hopefully,
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.260
so the sound guys, let's see!
00:46:40.720 --> 00:47:00.020
applause
00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:02.540
Of course this a longer exposure.
00:47:02.540 --> 00:47:07.089
It's not that starwars like
00:47:07.089 --> 00:47:09.810
I would have loved to use some starwars
00:47:09.810 --> 00:47:13.349
tones along those. But you know, all those rights
00:47:13.349 --> 00:47:16.640
and... what not... yes... anyway!
00:47:16.640 --> 00:47:17.770
That's how it looks like.
00:47:17.770 --> 00:47:22.559
So you have 3 laser beams per eye.
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.910
Remember, we have 2 telescopes on one mount.
00:47:24.910 --> 00:47:26.490
They look roughly in the same direction
00:47:26.490 --> 00:47:28.630
but still...
00:47:28.630 --> 00:47:31.460
So if you observe two telescopes
00:47:31.460 --> 00:47:39.640
at the same time it's only 100 dollars a minute.
00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:44.270
Yea, This is not so much the shiny part
00:47:44.270 --> 00:47:47.130
on the dome itself, but if you actually
00:47:47.130 --> 00:47:49.240
do stand on the mountain during night
00:47:49.240 --> 00:47:50.859
and are a bit dark adapted,
00:47:50.859 --> 00:47:54.800
you see the laser beams like that.
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.230
And don't be fooled!
00:47:57.230 --> 00:47:59.770
If you are at the valley,
00:47:59.770 --> 00:48:02.560
or very far away you hardly see them.
00:48:02.560 --> 00:48:03.829
You don't see them at all.
00:48:03.829 --> 00:48:04.990
You see them there.
00:48:04.990 --> 00:48:08.079
If you are two kilometers off side already,
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.650
it's merely a dim greenish something.
00:48:10.650 --> 00:48:13.390
If you are down in the valley 10 km off,
00:48:13.390 --> 00:48:14.640
you don't see them any more.
00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:17.460
If you take a camera, 5 minutes exposer, yes!
00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:18.919
But otherwise, No!
00:48:18.919 --> 00:48:20.180
There is no such thing as
00:48:20.180 --> 00:48:22.690
"The people in the valley down can see like
00:48:22.690 --> 00:48:29.350
these lasers pew pew every night.".. and no.
00:48:29.350 --> 00:48:37.330
Ok, which gets me to the last part.
00:48:37.330 --> 00:48:40.089
How, do you become
00:48:40.089 --> 00:48:45.949
and how do you work as a laser rocket scientist?
00:48:45.949 --> 00:48:48.099
Yes, I put this in the talk directly,
00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:50.660
because I do get this question in the Q&A, normally,
00:48:50.660 --> 00:48:52.690
when I talk about these things,
00:48:52.690 --> 00:48:53.670
and it's always like:
00:48:53.670 --> 00:48:58.659
"What do I need to do if I want to do this?"
00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:01.520
Maybe you have already an idea about this
00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:05.119
because you have seen
how complex this thing is.
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:12.859
And, there are so many things to do in these
kind of projects
00:49:12.859 --> 00:49:16.150
and on various levels, also in the administration,
00:49:16.150 --> 00:49:22.450
also for senior people, new people, maybe
master thesis works on that
00:49:22.450 --> 00:49:28.819
or bachelor, or PHD or then as a post-doc.
00:49:28.819 --> 00:49:30.160
It's very complex.
00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:34.150
Yes, and it's not only about just shooting
lasers in the end.
00:49:34.150 --> 00:49:39.250
Sometimes it's just about checking the cables
00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:41.020
It needs to be done.
00:49:41.020 --> 00:49:45.690
There is a tremendous amount of electronics
and electrics involved.
00:49:45.690 --> 00:49:52.240
There are all the mechanical components in
such a system are custom built.
00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:55.579
Either the institutes built it themselves
00:49:55.579 --> 00:49:59.210
or they give it out of house.
00:49:59.210 --> 00:50:01.319
There are these real time computers, for example.
00:50:01.319 --> 00:50:02.829
this is by the way our real time computer
00:50:02.829 --> 00:50:05.880
from micrograde, if you want to look that up.
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.460
it's company. It builds these things.
00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:10.650
They need to be programmed.
00:50:10.650 --> 00:50:13.579
Oh, if actually somebody is here in the audience
00:50:13.579 --> 00:50:15.599
with real hard core experience on
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.750
real time computing, coding and such things,
00:50:18.750 --> 00:50:20.590
do talk to me!
00:50:20.590 --> 00:50:23.540
laughing
00:50:23.540 --> 00:50:26.540
Yeah, this is how our software system looks like.
00:50:26.540 --> 00:50:31.839
A very small part of the GUIs. It's a lot of code
00:50:31.839 --> 00:50:35.010
and a lot of work and a lot of sleepless nights
00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:38.760
in front of these computers
and just testing it and testing it
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.829
and then testing some more,
and testing even more.
00:50:41.829 --> 00:50:44.859
And, to be involved in these kind of projects,
00:50:44.859 --> 00:50:48.560
you don't need to be a laser physicist,
00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:51.479
because there is no one thing.
00:50:51.479 --> 00:50:54.890
If you want to take 3 messages
out of this, it's:
00:50:54.890 --> 00:50:57.060
it's a team effort, there are many tasks,
00:50:57.060 --> 00:51:01.499
and there are many jobs,
and you have to pick one.
00:51:01.499 --> 00:51:04.170
Because in this one job you do in these projects
00:51:04.170 --> 00:51:06.500
you have to be very, very, very good.
00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:09.750
Because there are other people that are very,
very, very good.
00:51:09.750 --> 00:51:13.650
If you work in these kind of projects, if
you meet a new person for the first time
00:51:13.650 --> 00:51:17.359
just assume that he or she knows
everything about this
00:51:17.359 --> 00:51:18.940
and you know nothing.
00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:24.130
You will quickly realize if that is true.
00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:26.319
But otherwise, if you assume it
the other way round,
00:51:26.319 --> 00:51:28.730
you just make a fool of yourself, okay?
00:51:28.730 --> 00:51:29.849
Don't do that.
00:51:29.849 --> 00:51:34.170
People in science, second most important thing
if you really want go into this,
00:51:34.170 --> 00:51:38.740
people in science are just like
people outside science
00:51:38.740 --> 00:51:42.429
meaning you will meet nice people
and you will meet.....
00:51:42.429 --> 00:51:44.800
laughing
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.480
just like in life.
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.470
It's not that these things are spheres
where people are, you know
00:51:52.470 --> 00:51:57.180
floating above the lab surface and nice coloured.
00:51:57.180 --> 00:52:00.819
No, it's hard work.
00:52:00.819 --> 00:52:04.829
And if you actually go into this
like study physics
00:52:04.829 --> 00:52:08.640
or maybe if you want to construct this,
00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:10.480
of course all the drawings are done by
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.339
people how have learned this in there studies,
00:52:13.339 --> 00:52:16.810
so "Maschinenbau" what ever...
00:52:16.810 --> 00:52:18.210
Go for that one.
00:52:18.210 --> 00:52:21.079
Building optics needs optics experience.
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.520
If you want to actually build stuff,
00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:26.079
well, there are many people in this institutes
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.099
or universities who work
00:52:28.099 --> 00:52:30.500
in the mechanical fabrication departments
00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:31.609
or electronics departments.
00:52:31.609 --> 00:52:35.460
They just do PCB layouting all the time.
00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:38.369
But this things do need sophisticated electronics
00:52:38.369 --> 00:52:40.140
and this all custom built.
00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:42.160
This is nothing you can buy of the shelf.
00:52:42.160 --> 00:52:45.300
Nothing of it! Almost nothing.
00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:46.500
And this means you might end up
00:52:46.500 --> 00:52:48.819
with something equally cool.
00:52:48.819 --> 00:52:51.099
It's not that you can have this one thing
00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:53.829
and then BAM ten years later you will be
00:52:53.829 --> 00:52:56.829
the laser-rocket scientist. You won't!
00:52:56.829 --> 00:52:58.740
You might become one
00:52:58.740 --> 00:53:01.819
and then even after 10 years,
00:53:01.819 --> 00:53:04.010
you might realize this is not the thing
00:53:04.010 --> 00:53:07.660
you want to do forever.
00:53:07.660 --> 00:53:09.380
So I have to correct
00:53:09.380 --> 00:53:10.900
the introduction in one point:
00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:12.750
I'm no longer working there.
00:53:12.750 --> 00:53:14.819
I recently left.
00:53:14.819 --> 00:53:17.849
I'm now have my own company.
00:53:17.849 --> 00:53:19.270
I'm still involved in these things.
00:53:19.270 --> 00:53:21.710
I do calculations for this kinds of things,
00:53:21.710 --> 00:53:23.520
but I'm not at an institute any more,
00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:25.900
because I decided for example for me
00:53:25.900 --> 00:53:29.190
that the contract conditions in this type
00:53:29.190 --> 00:53:33.440
of scientific work are not of the type,
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:38.400
which I want to live with any more.
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.500
Like one year contracts.
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:49.220
applause
00:53:49.220 --> 00:53:51.760
And so there are many ways
of being involved in this
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.970
and don't just... don't just
focus on the this!
00:53:53.970 --> 00:53:56.710
Focus on what you really want to do and
00:53:56.710 --> 00:53:59.440
you might end up in this
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:00.650
and if you don't,
00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:03.563
well you do something equally cool.
00:55:52.879 --> 00:55:56.730
All right! Questions?
00:55:56.730 --> 00:56:04.800
applause
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.839
Herald: Okay, first of all
00:56:06.839 --> 00:56:10.450
thank you for our daily dosis of lasers.
00:56:10.450 --> 00:56:13.730
I have said... Ich hab keine Zeit...
00:56:13.730 --> 00:56:16.589
cause we have really not much time left for Q&A,
00:56:16.589 --> 00:56:19.530
so I'm first asking the signal angel,
00:56:19.530 --> 00:56:21.410
if there are any questions from the internet,
00:56:21.410 --> 00:56:25.880
because... was that a 2? 2! ok.
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.670
because this people can't ask questions afterwards,
soo...
00:56:28.670 --> 00:56:31.329
Peter: I'll be all congress and
if you want to reach me
00:56:31.329 --> 00:56:35.699
directly 7319 is this telephone.
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:39.030
Herald: Ok, the signal angel questions.
00:56:39.030 --> 00:56:41.130
Signal A.: Yeah, the first question from the
internet was:
00:56:41.130 --> 00:56:43.559
How strong the laser actually is
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.509
or if it could be any danger for something
00:56:45.509 --> 00:56:47.380
in the vicinity?
00:56:47.380 --> 00:56:48.440
Peter: Actually, no!
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.210
So we shoot up around 15 to 20 W
00:56:51.210 --> 00:56:53.290
per laser beam.
00:56:53.290 --> 00:56:55.579
If there was actually a plane flying through
00:56:55.579 --> 00:56:58.410
our laser beam,
00:56:58.410 --> 00:57:01.380
then nothing happens to the pilots.
00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:03.040
They don't get blinded or what not,
00:57:03.040 --> 00:57:06.290
because it's di... the beamsize at that altitude
00:57:06.290 --> 00:57:09.069
is so big already.. they will of course look like:
00:57:09.069 --> 00:57:10.710
"Errr what is this?"
00:57:10.710 --> 00:57:12.720
And that's what we do not want,
00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:14.470
because then they might push some other buttons
00:57:14.470 --> 00:57:16.660
which they are not suppose to push.
00:57:16.660 --> 00:57:17.750
laughing
00:57:17.750 --> 00:57:20.270
If you of course work directly at the system,
00:57:20.270 --> 00:57:21.200
you have to maintain it,
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you open it, you have to align the lasers
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and what not beyond there self aligning capabilities,
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:29.619
you do have to wear
all this protective laser goggles
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and what not, because if you do...
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if you don't you do have instant eye damage.
00:57:35.359 --> 00:57:39.189
It is not... no its instant.
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You might not see it instantly.
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:45.160
But the instant... it's there instantly, period.
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So really, folks, don't experiment on this
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laser stuff at home,
00:57:49.589 --> 00:57:53.319
if you are not following basic
laser safety rules.
00:57:53.319 --> 00:57:56.290
Not prying this things from the DVD burners
00:57:56.290 --> 00:58:00.540
or no blue ray thingys "uuh does it really work?"
00:58:00.540 --> 00:58:02.030
Just, just don't!
00:58:02.030 --> 00:58:05.329
Your eyesight is not worth it. period.
00:58:05.329 --> 00:58:08.080
It's not!
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Herald: Please remember to cover
your still working eye!
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Peter: Yeah... only look into the laser
beam
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with your remaining eye.
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Herald: The other question?
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Signal A. :And the second question from the internet
00:58:20.040 --> 00:58:21.940
was... It's actually commenting that,
00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:24.230
this was a very cool concept already been used
00:58:24.230 --> 00:58:26.520
and where do you see this going
00:58:26.520 --> 00:58:28.849
in the next 10 years, so what's the outlook
00:58:28.849 --> 00:58:31.820
for observation from the Earth's surface
00:58:31.820 --> 00:58:33.250
in the next 10 years?
00:58:33.250 --> 00:58:34.569
Peter: Oh, of course
00:58:34.569 --> 00:58:36.089
the telescopes will get bigger and bigger.
00:58:36.089 --> 00:58:38.170
The next generation of the telescope is coming up
00:58:38.170 --> 00:58:39.660
in the 2020s.
00:58:39.660 --> 00:58:41.369
The European Extremely Large Telescope
00:58:41.369 --> 00:58:45.200
will be about roughly around
40 meters in diameter.
00:58:45.200 --> 00:58:47.220
These are so huge they can't work in
00:58:47.220 --> 00:58:49.250
seeing limited operation any more.
00:58:49.250 --> 00:58:54.030
They do have to have laser AO all the time.
00:58:54.030 --> 00:58:55.609
It will look similar to this.
00:58:55.609 --> 00:58:57.349
So this is in that sense also
00:58:57.349 --> 00:58:58.650
a technology demonstrator.
00:58:58.650 --> 00:59:01.910
There will be a combined thing.
00:59:01.910 --> 00:59:03.850
You may remember this diagram
00:59:03.850 --> 00:59:06.260
with the one sodium laser in the middle
00:59:06.260 --> 00:59:07.740
and the others outside.
00:59:07.740 --> 00:59:09.319
So these combined things.
00:59:09.319 --> 00:59:12.240
And then you can also imagine something,
00:59:12.240 --> 00:59:13.869
that you probe different heights
00:59:13.869 --> 00:59:14.910
in the atmosphere,
00:59:14.910 --> 00:59:18.130
because you do have different turbulence layers
00:59:18.130 --> 00:59:22.480
and all of these then have their own
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.750
deformable mirror.
00:59:23.750 --> 00:59:25.660
So it's a very comp... gets a very complex
set,
00:59:25.660 --> 00:59:29.460
a multi conjugate AO as it's called.
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:30.700
And then there are of course
00:59:30.700 --> 00:59:33.940
new... there is research being done on
00:59:33.940 --> 00:59:36.950
how to detect this wave front
00:59:36.950 --> 00:59:38.089
most efficently.
00:59:38.089 --> 00:59:40.380
And there is a so called thing called
00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:42.410
the pyramid sensor.
00:59:42.410 --> 00:59:44.230
You can look for that, also
00:59:44.230 --> 00:59:46.220
we do have one in our system.
00:59:46.220 --> 00:59:47.730
And this is very efficient.
00:59:47.730 --> 00:59:49.680
So it takes much less photons
00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:52.750
to get to the same signal to noise level.
00:59:52.750 --> 00:59:55.740
This is active research and... well...
00:59:55.740 --> 00:59:58.140
Every major telescope of course now has this.
00:59:58.140 --> 01:00:00.400
And every big telescopes in the future
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.870
will have this all over the place.
01:00:04.870 --> 01:00:09.270
Herald: Okay, we're completely out of time.
Again.
01:00:09.270 --> 01:00:10.580
Again, so thank you very much.
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Peter: Thank you!
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