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Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.28,0:01:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.22,0:01:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello... Tom?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.05,0:01:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jack? Jack, it's... What, is there a red alert on or something?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.16,0:01:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I calling too late?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.18,0:01:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no... It's just that the hours are too later here...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.79,0:01:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you O.K.? Is everything all right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.34,0:01:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not really.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.92,0:01:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey Tom, I need some help.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.06,0:01:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You think a speechwriter's going to fix it? Do you think that's the only problem?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.89,0:01:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I did, would I be calling you?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.00,0:01:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry I missed your presidential campaign. I just thought it was nuts.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.12,0:02:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looks like the voters agreed with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.00,0:02:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it was crazy, anyway, Now, I'm supposed to be running again...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.50,0:02:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the re-election to the Senate, and people aren't giving any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.67,0:02:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, they are giving, but maybe I just don't want the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.92,0:02:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have anything to say. I feel tapped out.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.20,0:02:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get away from there, it's a snake pit. It's a hall of mirrors for narcissists.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.75,0:02:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get a long way away.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.64,0:02:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I wish, but it's impossible right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.66,0:02:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, come on. It's always like that. That's always part of the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.86,0:02:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you offering me a place?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.22,0:02:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, sure. You could come over here. Come on over.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.66,0:02:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may not be the White House but, you know, at least here you're wanted.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.06,0:02:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I'm so glad I came here.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.28,0:02:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I should not invited him.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.49,0:03:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Incredible!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.23,0:03:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, there it is again.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.74,0:03:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Middle Ages got left behind on this rock. Time just moved on.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.75,0:03:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}There he goes again. That's him all right.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.98,0:03:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Always enthused and always ready, with the right words for all occasions.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.40,0:03:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}As if everyone was still waiting for his opinion.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.77,0:03:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}As if life itself was one giant press conference.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.79,0:03:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Maybe that's all there is, this public persona.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.84,0:03:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Maybe I've been fooling myself these last 20 years...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.05,0:03:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}always looking for the real guy behind the facade.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.83,0:03:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Maybe the facade is the real guy.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.99,0:03:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is amazing!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.83,0:03:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Sure it is. Everything's always amazing to this guy.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.13,0:03:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Why am I bitching all the time?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.29,0:04:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Maybe it's a premonition that this trip's going to be a disaster.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.94,0:04:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I can't say that I need Jack's company. This time of my life I'm residing quite...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.35,0:04:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}contentedly in my own midlife crises, thank you very much.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.04,0:04:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is as far away from Washington as I could possibly get.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.88,0:04:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.58,0:04:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}There he goes.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.40,0:04:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}That's why he irritates me, and that's why I love him, too.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.07,0:04:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Behind the innocence there may be a calculating politician...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.02,0:04:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}but behind the politician there's an innocent.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.59,0:04:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}He's still american enough. He doesn't lie well at all, he means it.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.86,0:04:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to stop the car and get out? Take a look around?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.57,0:04:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There it is. Mont-Saint-Michel.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.41,0:04:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.40,0:05:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.94,0:05:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to do something different? You want to walk over there?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.19,0:05:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Walk across that swamp?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.55,0:05:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, just like our ancestors did centuries and centuries ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.26,0:05:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're the one who wanted to do all the walking. Come on, let's go.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.44,0:05:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you ancestors used to do this...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.61,0:07:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but unless my mother lied to me, I don't...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.41,0:07:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.40,0:07:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So, we're gonna do something today? - Thought I'd finish my book.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.98,0:07:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You always have a book to read. I'm bored.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.62,0:07:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where's Roman?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.17,0:08:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't care what Roman's doing. I wanted to do something with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.95,0:08:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should not come. I should've just done something with dad.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.25,0:08:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, Kit.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.10,0:08:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just stay cooped up in this medieval island, just reading your books.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.49,0:08:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not even aware of what's going on around you.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.55,0:08:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could be anywhere, it wouldn't even make a difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.54,0:08:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should go out more. Meet some people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.10,0:08:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.82,0:08:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.24,0:08:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bye.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.83,0:08:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you moving to France permanently?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.72,0:08:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.84,0:08:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought you couldn't live anywhere but in New York.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.53,0:08:58.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about the theater? Did you give that up for good?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.77,0:09:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it may have given me up for good.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.12,0:09:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think I'm enough involved in real estate to live in Manhattan...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.15,0:09:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any other business. Some other hustle.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.01,0:09:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived in New York when I was young inside. My friends and I were more interested...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.48,0:09:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our work than our investments.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.44,0:09:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We weren't invidious. We were nurturing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.76,0:09:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, you know. Alimony, the IRS...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.37,0:09:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being denied the right to parent my own child custody--
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.60,0:09:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They brought reality in, and hey, who needs it?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.28,0:09:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Nixon got on that chopper in 1972 I think the fight went out of all of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.46,0:09:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The big business took over and set the agenda.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.23,0:09:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boy, when you buy into big business, when you buy into that, man...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.40,0:09:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you got to emancipate yourself from your morals...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.15,0:09:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you live a life of squeamishness.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.82,0:09:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this our same old argument? I lost my morals, did I?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.79,0:09:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Automatically, by going to work and staying inside the system?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.06,0:10:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're taking me a little personally. I was talking about myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.27,0:10:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was saying that I got a little squeamish, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.26,0:10:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know people that work a lot crasser jobs than you, and they're happy.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.53,0:10:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're happy, they're healthy, they're not depressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.06,0:10:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They enjoy the material blessings. Me? I couldn't handle it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.95,0:10:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't stand it. I just couldn't...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.45,0:10:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Confucius say "Of the 39 steps of escape the best one's flight." So I fled.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.45,0:10:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here I am in France where I can pull down my pants.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.70,0:10:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm enough of a retarded romantic to believe France is still a place to go and think.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.17,0:10:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll stay, I guess... or I won't. We'll see.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.68,0:10:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This place is like a fairy tale.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.15,0:10:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did we wind up here?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.45,0:10:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll bet there's some secret plan of yours behind all this.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.99,0:10:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I bet I could say the same thing about you. No, I just thought you'd like to come here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.13,0:11:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To discover that precious quality that the world so desperately lacks.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.65,0:11:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, yeah. Vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.27,0:11:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perspective. Perspective, Jack.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.68,0:11:15.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where the dead are placed, in the middle of town among the houses.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.74,0:11:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Death is a part of life, not separate from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.04,0:11:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There aren't enough graves for all the generations of Mont-Saint-Michelains.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.63,0:11:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So every decade or so, the bones are dug up so new bodies can be buried here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.71,0:11:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And since they believed you will need your bones again on Judgment day...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.27,0:11:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they placed them nearby in the charnel house--
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.67,0:11:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Ucch! That's disgusting. - I like cemeteries.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.49,0:11:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the back there, in the church, there is a relic of a saint.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.96,0:11:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's a relic?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.48,0:11:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, maybe a shaving of the saint's fingernail, or a scrap of the saint's robe.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.96,0:11:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell me Jack, how do you expect to govern these people?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.56,0:12:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good question.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.04,0:12:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was an italian premier once, just before Mussolini...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.16,0:12:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody asked him if it was difficult to govern italians.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.28,0:12:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said: "Difficult to govern italians? No, not difficult. Only useless"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.90,0:12:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't say that on the 6:00 news.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.60,0:12:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but I thought it night and day. Maybe that's why I lost.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.20,0:12:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, did they really think that their bones would keep until judgment day?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.99,0:12:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You got to remember for them Judgment day was...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.38,0:12:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right around the corner. They expected it almost hourly.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.66,0:12:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.02,0:12:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't say so. Judgment day, for us is different.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.31,0:12:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an interruption, a violation, a break in our concept of time--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.56,0:12:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bomb, the big one. Judgment day for them was the ultimate day off.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.66,0:12:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not the ultimate off day.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.50,0:12:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There wasn't mechanical time, time was season to season, Sabbath to saint day.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.88,0:13:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And everything led toward Judgment day. That was the reason everybody was alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.28,0:13:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the day of deliverance. Like sunday, when you get the Times delivered.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.52,0:13:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time was sacred.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.01,0:13:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'd ring a bell in the morning, they'd ring a bell in the evening...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.55,0:13:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those moments would change a little. But the...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.87,0:13:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rhythm of their era was so different from ours...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.26,0:13:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I don't think we can even imagine it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.48,0:13:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess we're a little early.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.78,0:13:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No saint stands alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.24,0:13:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.28,0:13:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No saint stands alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.28,0:13:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every time I come here, these lines comes to me, God knows from where.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.20,0:13:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it takes me weeks, even years to figure out what they mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.20,0:14:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you ever read any of the books I sent you?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.88,0:14:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, not since you stopped thinking about helping me with speeches.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.62,0:14:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you ever read the speeches I sent you?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.53,0:14:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried. I mean, the old attention span, isn't what it used to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.35,0:14:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true. Mine neither.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.18,0:14:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have any attention anymore for anything that's not specific.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.40,0:14:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Poetry just confuses me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.96,0:14:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, politics-- Politics confuses everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.31,0:14:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including its practitioners.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.12,0:14:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I know what "No saint stands alone" means.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.15,0:14:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yeah? What?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.22,0:14:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the essence of my profession.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.63,0:14:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because between every politician and his own point of view...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.62,0:14:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's always three fat cats, two pac lobbyists, half dozen of microphones.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.05,0:14:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No man is an island entire of itself. Every man is a piece of the continent...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.30,0:14:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of the main, therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.56,0:15:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it tolls to thee."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.64,0:15:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can't you just feel the place watching you?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.46,0:15:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It makes you feel pretty small. - It was supposed to.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.83,0:15:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The individual in the human body was supposed to feel small...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.65,0:15:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dwarfed, denied all independent existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.74,0:15:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We lost some of the sense of being all one, but we got our freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.37,0:15:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not a bad trade-off.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.87,0:15:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know. I still don't know if we haven't lost more than we've gained.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.77,0:15:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All I ever hear anybody talk about today is themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.55,0:15:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote a poem once. It's titled "The Stones Speak, I am Silent"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.06,0:15:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least you're free to think what you want and do what you can about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.53,0:16:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think of the guy who had to carry these stones up the hell to built this place.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.72,0:16:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't have any say in life, or try running for office some day.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.21,0:16:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone else sets the agenda, someone else sets the schedule.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.52,0:16:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody else decides what you can say and what you better not say.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.65,0:16:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talk about losing yourself. People have been known to forget their own names.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.70,0:16:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you're too smart to be president.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.63,0:16:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A television correspondent told me that once.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.40,0:16:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.75,0:16:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a little steamed.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.03,0:16:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said american voters want their leaders to be dumber than they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.02,0:16:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They figure they'll do less harm that way. That is an expensive form of cynicism.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.12,0:16:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You said that on TV? - Yup.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.14,0:16:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you're not so smart after all.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.41,0:16:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We go through here.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.26,0:16:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's up here?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.74,0:17:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After you.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.35,0:17:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at this. Look at this!
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.83,0:17:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This thing has been functioning for hundreds of years--
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.51,0:17:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since before the beginning of modern times.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.58,0:17:27.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is different from the kind of time you were talking about before.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.95,0:17:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sunrise to Sunset, Sabbath to Sabbath, isn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.04,0:17:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is... mechanical time.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.00,0:17:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You bet, you bet it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.84,0:17:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sometimes think that this clock, this machine is what...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.10,0:17:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...constitutes humanity's first real break from the world of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.11,0:17:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't you say so? Hello?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.12,0:17:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The clock did much more than that. It became the model of the cosmos.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.23,0:17:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they mistook the model for the real thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.37,0:17:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People got the idea that nature was just a giant clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.98,0:18:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not a living organism, but a machine.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.59,0:18:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's exactly what I've been trying to tell this lunkhead, exactly, word for word.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.61,0:18:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What? - Maybe you recognize him. Jack Edwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.19,0:18:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you are...?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.09,0:18:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sonia Hoffman. I think I've heard your name somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.33,0:18:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe in a couple of hundred news broadcasts.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.74,0:18:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a candidate for the U.S. presidency in the primaries.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.51,0:18:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I vaguely remember. See? I'm not a voter.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.80,0:18:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most americans don't vote either.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.35,0:18:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do know who you are.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.02,0:18:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Me? You know who I am? I doubt it...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.17,0:18:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're Thomas Harriman, the poet.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.52,0:18:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes I am. But wait a minute, let me get this straight.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.92,0:18:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You recognize me, a poet whose latest work sold only 12,000 copies but you...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.82,0:18:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not recognize this gentleman, who was a presidential candidate in America?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.78,0:18:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My god, woman. What's happened to your values? What do you do?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.10,0:18:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.01,0:18:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we do occasionally read poetry.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.89,0:19:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a matter of fact, I'm doing a lot of it these days.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.55,0:19:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm on a sort of sabbatical.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.02,0:19:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm an ex-physicist, an ex-american resident...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.36,0:19:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- an ex-voter-- - Ex-wife?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.78,0:19:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is very upsetting. Why don't intelligent people like yourself bother to vote?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.77,0:19:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forgive me. You politicians make it so hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.64,0:19:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ideas expressed by most of you, right or left...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.26,0:19:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem to me as antique and mechanical as that old clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.58,0:19:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that supposed to mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.24,0:19:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I was to explain that, I'd have to go all the way back to Descartes...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.98,0:19:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you remember him.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.41,0:19:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah - "To be or not to be"
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.21,0:19:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- "I Think, therefore, I am." - Yeah, well. We both went to college.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.19,0:19:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Descartes was the primary architect of the view that sees the world as a clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.32,0:19:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A mechanistic view that still dominates most of the world today...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.47,0:19:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seems to me specially you politicians.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.60,0:20:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mechanistic? Is that a real word?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.57,0:20:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mechanistic, mechanical, mechanics. Yeah, it's a good word.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.29,0:20:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mechanistic. As if Nature functioned like a clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.48,0:20:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You take it a part, reduce it to a number of small, simple pieces, easy to understand...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.51,0:20:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,analyze them, put them all back together and then you understand the whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.48,0:20:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't that what's known as scientific thinking, Miss Hoffman?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.76,0:20:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you call the mechanistic view isn't that what the scientific method's all about?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.12,0:20:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.33,0:20:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think so. But I'd like to kind to hear from the physicist, Jack.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.47,0:20:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, I'm sorry. Please continue.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.30,0:20:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you're right in a way, Mr...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.88,0:20:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jack, call me Jack.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.58,0:20:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K., Jack. You're right in a sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.45,0:20:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it wasn't always so, not before Descartes.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.52,0:20:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he introduced such thinking...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.63,0:20:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it amounted to a revolutionary break with the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.93,0:21:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said "I don't need the Pope to tell me how the world functions...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.70,0:21:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can find that out for myself, because to me the world is just a machine."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.55,0:21:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he became fascinated with clockworks...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.25,0:21:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and made the clock into his central metaphor.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.68,0:21:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said "I consider the human body as nothing but a machine...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.71,0:21:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A healthy man is like a well-made clock. A sick man is like an ill-made clock."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.100,0:21:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The metaphor seems a little clumsy now. But it worked, didn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.15,0:21:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so successfully, that scientists came to believe...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.22,0:21:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all living things, plants animals, us, are nothig but machines.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.99,0:21:51.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's the fallacy. It carried over into everything, arts, politics...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.01,0:21:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know, it seems to me that most people don't...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.37,0:21:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even remember who Descartes was.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.26,0:22:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm sorry, I guess I just don't follow you. - But he'd like to.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.59,0:22:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you could break it down into 30-second media bites, that's what he's used to.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.14,0:22:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very funny.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.86,0:22:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it that I don't recognize? What's so bad about Descartes?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.98,0:22:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's nothing bad about Descartes. In fact, I think Descartes is wonderful.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.11,0:22:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a godsend to the 17th century. But times have changed since then.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.58,0:22:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need a new way of understanding life.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.04,0:22:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That pendulum for example, has long since been replaced by a tiny quartz crystal.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.80,0:22:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these magnificent hand-forged wheels...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.44,0:22:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turned into microchip the size of my thumbnail.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.36,0:22:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how far modern science has left mechanistic thinking behind.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.70,0:23:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you politicians seem to have that clockwork still ticking in your head.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.27,0:23:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Keep on going, Sonia. Don't stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.00,0:23:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who knows? You may have that vital piece of information we pols...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.10,0:23:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,venal and stupid as we are have been missing out on all along.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.18,0:23:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There you go, thinking in terms of pieces.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.33,0:23:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pieces are all we get of the picture, only fragments.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.18,0:23:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, give some examples.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.10,0:23:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, let's take the population problem for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.83,0:23:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't solve it by looking at different forms of birth control in isolation.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.77,0:23:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Research has proven that the most effective form of birth control...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.46,0:23:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a pill, it's economic and social gains...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.78,0:23:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will reduce the desire for large families.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.81,0:23:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.15,0:24:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you know that in our world every day 40,000 children die...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.63,0:24:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from malnutrition and preventable diseases?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.90,0:24:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's every other second.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.68,0:24:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's now...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.36,0:24:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now... and now...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.47,0:24:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the short lives of these children cannot be seen in isolation...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.95,0:24:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're part of the whole system, involving the economics...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.29,0:24:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving the environment, and more specifically...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.97,0:24:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- involving high levels of third-world debt. - How's that?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.80,0:24:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The burden of frenzied borrowing is not falling on those with foreign banks...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.12,0:24:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...accounts, nor on those who created the imbalance.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.22,0:24:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The burden's falling on the already deprived.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.58,0:24:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three years ago, president Nyerere asked the question:
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.93,0:24:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Must we starve our children to pay our debts?"
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.63,0:24:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That question has been answered in practice...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.90,0:24:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and the answer has been YES...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.57,0:24:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because since he asked, hundreds and thousands of little children...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.31,0:25:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in the third world have given their lives to pay their country's debts.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.22,0:25:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And millions more are still paying interest with their malnourished minds and bodies.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.03,0:25:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take Brazil.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.24,0:25:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know that they are destroying their Amazon rain forests...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.72,0:25:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...at the rate of one football field a second?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.47,0:25:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, now, now.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.13,0:25:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? They're trying to pay their national debt with cattle and land speculation.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.29,0:25:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't even have time to sell the timber...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.77,0:25:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...so they're setting fire to the woods.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.86,0:25:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And our barren forests are one of the main causes of the global warming...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.90,0:25:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the green house effect.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.12,0:25:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the meantime, we are pouring our money into the arms race.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.67,0:25:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot look at one single of our global problems in isolation...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.64,0:25:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...trying to understand it and solve it.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.36,0:25:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can fix a fragment of a piece, but it will deteriorate a second later...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.91,0:26:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because what it was connected to has been ignored.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.18,0:26:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to change everything together at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.56,0:26:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The ideals, the institutions, the values-- - All of this sounds kind of familiar.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.38,0:26:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you two know each other? Is this a setup?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.34,0:26:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, all right. What do I think about this?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.24,0:26:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problems are complex but you're looking at the dark side, because us...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.94,0:26:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...are capacity to response, isn't it? Communications, databanks, technology--
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.64,0:26:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We already have the tools to deal with a lot of these problems...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.80,0:26:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...even if they are more complex. - Candide himself, the eternal optimist.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.54,0:26:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But don't you see? There are all these new technologies...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.88,0:26:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they're causing more problems that they solve.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.94,0:26:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In medicine for example, there's been an overwhelming increase in technology...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.19,0:26:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but the costs have spiraled concurrently.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.16,0:26:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's become medicine for the rich and public health hasn't improved significantly...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.90,0:26:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...although public health would improve dramatically if we...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.06,0:27:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just changed our eating habits, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.93,0:27:04.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But instead the experts are occupied with making artificial hearts.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.100,0:27:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If our agribusiness had fed us better instead of chopping down the rain forests...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.06,0:27:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in order to make cattle ranches in order to produce more and more red meat...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.44,0:27:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...which is one of the diary causes of heart attacks...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.16,0:27:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...then maybe we would not to spend so much of our money on artificial hearts...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.16,0:27:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and so on, and so on. This is all examples of interconnectedness.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.52,0:27:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, Sonia... All right supposing that you're right...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.18,0:27:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and everything's connected to everything else as you say...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.26,0:27:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...still you've got to start somewhere, don't you?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.69,0:27:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the real political question here. Where do you start?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.84,0:27:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By changing the way we're seeing the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.58,0:27:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're still searching for the right piece to fix first.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.10,0:27:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't see that all the problems simply are fragments of one single crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.05,0:27:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- A crisis of perception. - Oh, good.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.64,0:28:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world's coming to an end and you say it's a crisis of perception.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.08,0:28:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, that's a little abstract for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.17,0:28:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all this stuff about modern medicine, all your criticisms...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.54,0:28:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I may be a doctor's son, but you have to admit that...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.71,0:28:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...this mechanistic medicine has been pretty successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.04,0:28:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well... up to a point.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.70,0:28:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But simply by blocking the mechanisms of a disease...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.06,0:28:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...doesn't mean healing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.83,0:28:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's like in politics, it's just shifting the problem to another sphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.11,0:28:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you going to leave me stranded out here in this argument by myself?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.66,0:28:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to leave you stranded.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.53,0:28:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K... A person goes to a doctor today with recurring...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.07,0:28:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...attacks of gallstones and the doctor takes the gallbladder out.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.55,0:28:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And low and behold the pain goes away.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.44,0:28:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could say the doctor's working from a poor perceptual model, that he just...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.56,0:28:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...concentrated on a part of the clock that wasn't working and removed it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.95,0:29:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact is the patient is out of his pain.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.67,0:29:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's feeling better and the clock is ticking again.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.71,0:29:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His perceptual model worked.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.92,0:29:09.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But is everything that works good for the system?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.95,0:29:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's disingenuous and not useful when applied to politics...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.63,0:29:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...which is, after all, a system that is based on people.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.84,0:29:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the art of bringing people to agree on a certain course of action.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.38,0:29:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that course of action succeeds, the people are satisfied...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.06,0:29:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...if not, they're not.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.76,0:29:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's as simple as that. If it works, it's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.06,0:29:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't that what you said why politics doesn't work...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.88,0:29:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that politics needed to become the art of the impossible?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.05,0:29:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whose side are you on?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.62,0:29:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hers, obviously. She's intelligent, gracious...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.81,0:29:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and she's more attractive.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.45,0:29:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listen, Jack. I'd like to get back to the systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.21,0:29:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know, you called me dishonest. -Oh, no, no, no...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.81,0:29:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's talk about the gallbladder again.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.06,0:29:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say the gallbladder's out and the pain is gone...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.47,0:30:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but what about the stress that might have caused the illness?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.74,0:30:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that stress persists he's probably going to get sick again.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.18,0:30:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or let's say he had changed his nutrition...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.20,0:30:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...much earlier, and done some exercise.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.11,0:30:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He may never have developed the gallstones in the first place.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.82,0:30:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little health education might have been...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.81,0:30:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...much cheaper that the operation, a lot less painful, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.95,0:30:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But our system doesn't encourage prevention...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.65,0:30:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it encourages intervention.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.71,0:30:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K. You're not disingenuous, but to blame all this on french philosopher...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.04,0:30:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...who's been dead 300 years, isn't that a little out of proportion...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.96,0:30:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...maybe even all a little eccentric?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.89,0:30:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Not if I'm right.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.43,0:30:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, my point isn't to condemn Descartes' thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.91,0:30:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's simply to recognize its limitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.68,0:30:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might have been extremely useful to perceive the world...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.81,0:30:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...as a machine for 300 years but that perception today...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.34,0:30:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is not only inaccurate, it's actually harmful.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.54,0:31:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need a new vision of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.12,0:31:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that quotation?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.02,0:31:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's foolish for a society to try to cling to its old ideas in new times...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.78,0:31:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just as it's foolish for a grown man to try to squeeze...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.44,0:31:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...into the coat that fit him in his youth." Something like that...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.31,0:31:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas Jefferson.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.07,0:31:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you're not crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.59,0:31:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, Sonia. This new vision of the world might just be...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.91,0:31:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...some sort of millennium madness as we approach the year 2000.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.93,0:31:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, everybody's aware now.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.93,0:31:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can make ourselves extinct at the press of a button.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.35,0:31:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're soiling every square foot of land, sea and air.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.44,0:31:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That water looks clean but it's not, is it?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.32,0:31:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing is.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.08,0:31:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The English Channel is one of the most polluted bodies of water in the world...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.96,0:31:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and the oysters around here are famous.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.68,0:32:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon they'll be unsafe to eat.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.36,0:32:05.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only that. This water is radioactive...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.07,0:32:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...contaminated by a nuclear plant a few miles from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.69,0:32:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I read about that too.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.73,0:32:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Politicians can read. We know all about these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.40,0:32:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of us think about them every day. I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.56,0:32:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have to deal with a different set of constraints...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.47,0:32:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...different kinds of interdependence that those you discuss.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.16,0:32:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say it turns out to be true, that what you say is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.88,0:32:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cattle are brutally treated, loaded with chemicals...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.47,0:32:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...too much red meat is bad for you...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.65,0:32:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and the landscape's being wrecked by overgrazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.24,0:32:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say all that's turn to be true.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.23,0:32:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for health and a hundred other reasons, I help enact a tax...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.97,0:32:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...on the consumption of red meat, the way we tax tobacco...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.21,0:32:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to making people think twice about that kind of consumption.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.41,0:32:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a wonderful idea!
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.20,0:32:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could do cancer and heart research for the revenue.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.82,0:32:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have 50 lobbyists pounding on my door...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.62,0:32:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...while a hundred different meat producers political action...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.09,0:33:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...committees poured money into my opponent's campaign...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.21,0:33:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and my switchboard was lit up all day with calls from senators...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.70,0:33:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and representatives and governors of all the meat-producing states.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.30,0:33:13.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But O.K., Sonia, just for you, let's say I take all that on.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.39,0:33:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Sam Rayburn said "Every once in a while a man ought to do...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.88,0:33:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...something just because it's right."
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.82,0:33:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if on top of that, I come out against a few weapons programs...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.53,0:33:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and try to do something about acid rain and sponsor a bill supporting...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.11,0:33:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...increased funding for solar energy, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.04,0:33:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the next election anybody who would run against me...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.16,0:33:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and I mean anybody, would have the combined funds of all those people...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.56,0:33:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to defeat me, and he would too.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.14,0:33:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when you're that far ahead of public opinion...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.41,0:33:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that's the way they let you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.71,0:33:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do what everybody else does, from the lowliest congressman to the president...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.35,0:33:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...I pick a few crucial issues that I think are crucial, a part of your whole...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.38,0:34:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and I persist until I get somewhere if I'm lucky.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.14,0:34:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the rest, I mark time, I wait.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.35,0:34:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go along, I... I trade off.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.45,0:34:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why I don't vote. It's what we've been talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.54,0:34:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get people to eat less red meat, and then you do something like...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.45,0:34:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...paying off the farmers, buying up surplus butter and subsidizing its price.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.52,0:34:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't get a heart attack one way, you'll find another way.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.59,0:34:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I agree with you. We wouldn't contradict ourselves...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.40,0:34:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...so much if we didn't do things piecemeal.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.08,0:34:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, there's something a little scary, maybe something...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.65,0:34:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...even a little cruel about your theoretical exigency.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.56,0:34:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, are you going to be the one who tells everyone what's good for them?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.38,0:34:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you gonna tell the farmer something's wrong with the goals his...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.98,0:34:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...family has pursued for generations then just shut them down?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.64,0:34:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe we're beaten up all day by private interests...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.25,0:34:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but at least our government now stays close to what people...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.90,0:35:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...perceive to be their needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.74,0:35:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, the world changes faster than people's perception of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.27,0:35:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't be challenge for a great political leader to bridge...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.56,0:35:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the gap, to inform, to allow us to feel responsibility?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.75,0:35:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, the people don't trust you politicians anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.61,0:35:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At your last election only 50% of them even bothered to vote.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.76,0:35:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Getting them back would really require a politics of the impossible.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.94,0:35:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a great campaign slogan. Where were you when I needed you?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.47,0:35:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd vote for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.32,0:35:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, good. I'd get the poet vote.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.22,0:35:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Politics of the impossible. You might get my vote too.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.20,0:35:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, great! Add to that the support of all well-informed...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.42,0:35:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but nonparticipating-women living on medieval islands.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.44,0:36:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's no victory.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.47,0:36:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does that make me angry?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.54,0:36:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably because they don't want have anything to do with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.94,0:36:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't believe in us.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.25,0:36:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There isn't any reason they should, except their own eventual aging.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.69,0:36:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't even notice where they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.37,0:36:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They think this is the movies, but this room is absolutely contemporary.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.81,0:36:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everybody's got a torture chamber now. They don't even notice them.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.88,0:36:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you going to say this is part of your crisis of perception, too?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.30,0:36:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe we're all led a little towards death, like wolves to the weak.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.28,0:36:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe people are just shits, hmm?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.75,0:37:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd like blame this on Descartes. I'd like blame it on anybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.61,0:37:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's such a part of human history, I...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.61,0:37:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I don't know about Descartes, but I know Francis Bacon presided...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.56,0:37:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...over the witch trials of king James I at a time when millions of women were...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.76,0:37:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...tortured or burned for practicing folk medicine or worshiping...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.14,0:37:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...pre-Christian goddesses or simply because they were unusual.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.99,0:37:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would probably have ended up on the stake myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.40,0:37:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe it was a metaphor when Francis Bacon wrote...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.50,0:37:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that Nature had to be hounded in her wandering...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.76,0:37:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...bound into service, made a slave.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.84,0:37:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He even said that scientists with their new mechanical devices...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.76,0:37:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...had to torture Nature's secrets out of her.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.76,0:37:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you notice how he uses "her" when describing Mother Nature?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.12,0:37:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As if Nature was nothing but a witch?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.66,0:38:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. It's actually fair to say that this room...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.04,0:38:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...represents a crisis of perception.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.24,0:38:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this room was here for a long time before Descartes and Bacon.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.68,0:38:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Violence goes on no matter how mankind understands the world, doesn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.22,0:38:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An exploitation... Of course, we'd all like to think it would be different...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.76,0:38:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...if we saw things differently.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.59,0:38:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But hasn't modern science, technology, business done exactly what...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.16,0:38:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Francis Bacon preached: tortured our planet?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.46,0:38:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Didn't we just implement the old patriarchal idea about man dominating all?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.44,0:38:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, Sonia. Let me be the devil's advocate for a minute.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.88,0:38:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much have we really tortured and hounded the planet?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.93,0:38:51.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could say not much...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.07,0:38:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...compared to what the ice ages did to the world, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.15,0:38:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And who sais that nature can't cope?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.53,0:39:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're scared to death about the disappearing ozone layer...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.44,0:39:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but we only started studying ozone levels about 10 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.65,0:39:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be that these so-called holes in the atmosphere...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.92,0:39:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...have been appearing and the disappearing again...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.66,0:39:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...since time's beginning. Couldn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.19,0:39:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be that Nature has a healing mechanism we don't even know about.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.84,0:39:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be this hysteria about ultraviolet rays...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.88,0:39:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is nothing more than that, just hysteria.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.70,0:39:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what they said about the German forests and look at them now.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.76,0:39:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More than half the trees in the black forest are dying.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.99,0:39:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't explain it anyway. We simply cannot take the risk.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.56,0:39:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right here around this island the tides are slowing down, maybe because of silt...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.18,0:39:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...building up from garbage dumped in the bay or from the overuse of fertilizers.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.91,0:39:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lakes can die, entire oceans become polluted...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.33,0:39:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...topsoil, forests, water, poisoned, dead.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.35,0:40:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things can change so fast at the hands of man.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.26,0:40:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature becomes fragile, rain becomes acid.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.95,0:40:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I agree with everything you said. But why this patriarchal fixation?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.30,0:40:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those women witches were betrayed by other women.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.17,0:40:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phyllis Schlafly, a woman, has written that God's...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.39,0:40:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...greatest gift to mankind was the atom bomb.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.72,0:40:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are women. Why not just say what's patriarchal...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.27,0:40:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is what's evil in both men and women?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.27,0:40:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's plenty to go around unless you happen to believe...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.08,0:40:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...these women were brainwashed by men, like Patty Hearst.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.12,0:40:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are you so scornful?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.90,0:40:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, there are two great principles functioning in this entire...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.11,0:40:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...living world: the male principle, pick the adjective...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.04,0:40:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...aggressive, dominating, whatever; and the female principle...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.23,0:40:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...nurturing, caretaking, gentle, whatever...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.59,0:40:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I'm saying is that these 2 principles may have been in a rough balance.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.87,0:40:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now the men and yes, I do think IT IS the men...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.68,0:40:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...have created the tools, the weapons both intellectually...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.70,0:40:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and physically to bring these two principles way out of balance.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.05,0:41:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been placing mechanistic tools in the hands of power-oriented patriarchal people.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.97,0:41:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm saying you men are out of control now and I, you, we... all we are the victims.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.91,0:41:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what's the risk?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.45,0:41:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's wrong with giving the female principle an opportunity?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.02,0:41:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I say let's get out of this room.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.70,0:41:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's having a torturous effect on our relationship.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.28,0:41:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, Sonia. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers down there.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.87,0:41:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just, um... you know... I'm a failed husband.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.97,0:41:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a little too sensitive about all that stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.36,0:41:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also a starving poet and a bad teacher...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.08,0:42:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and Jack's another midlife casualty, except his wife's...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.82,0:42:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...still around. May be there's a connection in there somewhere for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.38,0:42:09.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you do? What brings you to this remote place?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.69,0:42:13.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, let's see...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.49,0:42:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a scientist still, even though I'm on a semi permanent sabbatical.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.01,0:42:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How come?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.50,0:42:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got tired of seeing my work fed to the U. S. Defense Department.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.86,0:42:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a physicist, the only woman in my graduate department...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.97,0:42:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the first in Norway doing quantum field theory. My specialty was lasers.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.50,0:42:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time, the challenge was to design lasers of ever-shorter wavelengths.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.30,0:42:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The shorter the wavelength, the more powerful the laser.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.19,0:42:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our ultimate goal was to create an x-ray laser.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.64,0:42:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One day I hit upon an unusual idea which, as it turned out...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.16,0:42:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...led to a major advance in that x-ray laser.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.36,0:43:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when you do something like that, science treats you very well.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.33,0:43:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got many attractive offers...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.47,0:43:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First from Paris and then from the States and I took them.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.06,0:43:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally working quite happily in Boston until one day...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.25,0:43:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I discovered, totally unexpectedly, that my work was being perverted.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.07,0:43:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had always looked at the medical applications of my work of using...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.66,0:43:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...this laser to provide holographic images of cells or even molecules.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.17,0:43:39.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could have helped us solve so many puzzles, even the formation of cancer cells.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.19,0:43:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what really happened was that a more sophisticated version of my idea was...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.26,0:43:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...being used in the star wars program, and it blew my mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.12,0:43:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It... it made me re-evaluate my whole profession.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.59,0:44:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, to cut it short...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.46,0:44:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in the midst of other events I just got up and left.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.57,0:44:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What were the other events, if I may ask?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.06,0:44:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Experiences not all that different from yours, I suppose.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.98,0:44:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left Boston and eventually I came here.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.94,0:44:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just came one day from Paris and the place took hold of me.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.11,0:44:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I kept coming back.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.68,0:44:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were weeks when the storms chased the tourists away...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.76,0:44:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and I had this place all to myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.76,0:44:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to look at how my special knowledge of subatomic physics...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.14,0:44:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...relates to the way I perceive the world at large.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.28,0:44:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, but I think that I'll have something to say after my time here.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.30,0:44:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know yet if it will fit into a coherent whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.50,0:44:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's what I ponder when I take my morning walks, which...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.52,0:44:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...today, for some reason, brought me to you two.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.47,0:45:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, every morning, I walk across the island regardless...
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.14,0:45:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of the weather trying to understand its other language.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.02,0:45:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The stones speak, and I'm silent.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.34,0:45:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something like that, yes. That's from a poem, isn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.76,0:45:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, maybe, I don't know. Do you ever write down any of your thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.08,0:45:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yes, all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.60,0:45:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to combine my notes into a book and call it...
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.28,0:45:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Ecological Thinking, as opposed to Cartesian Thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.33,0:45:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cartesian?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.98,0:45:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, Descartes wrote in latin. His latin name was Cartesius, hence Cartesian.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.61,0:45:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really? I thought it meant map-like, like a map.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.84,0:45:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You thought it meant like "a la carte". - Yes, like a menu.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.85,0:45:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then his name would have been Menusian.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.89,0:45:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to offer this ecological way of thinking as a new way of looking at things.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.88,0:45:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us overcome this crisis of perception.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.56,0:46:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, what I've found here is that to think in an ecological way...
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.41,0:46:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...simply makes more sense of everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.41,0:46:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It gives me a much firmer grasp of reality. It gives me strength.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.56,0:46:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Knowledge is power?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.97,0:46:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but in the sense of personal empowerment.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.06,0:46:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not that old male urge for power over others.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.79,0:46:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Descartes' evil empire again?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.13,0:46:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Descartes had a dream.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.94,0:46:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was really Isaac Newton who made that dream come true.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.28,0:46:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who transformed it into scientific theory, into power.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.08,0:46:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"May God us keep from single vision and Newton's sleep." William Blake.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.38,0:46:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm very impressed. - You two would have a lot in common.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.47,0:46:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was writing in poetry 200 years ago what you're saying today in prose.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.28,0:46:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hated Newton's concept of single vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:47.39,0:46:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He dedicated his entire life to making art that denied single vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.75,0:46:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, the people of his time thought he was a crank.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.96,0:46:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas they revered Newton almost as a god.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.32,0:47:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By reducing all physical phenomena to the motion of material particles...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.84,0:47:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a motion caused by the force of gravity, he was able to describe the exact...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.00,0:47:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...effect of gravity on any object with precise mathematical equations.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.43,0:47:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We call it Newton's laws of motion...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:17.16,0:47:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...really, the great achievement of 17th century science.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.47,0:47:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mean all that stuff I slept through in high school, that square root of...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.88,0:47:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the hypotenuse divided by a pinch of magnesium?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.18,0:47:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in the right hands, or should I say, aroused minds...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.74,0:47:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...these equations seems to work beautifully.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.49,0:47:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could use Newton's equations to calculate and explain...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.88,0:47:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...every motion of that throw, from the ballistic curve to the ripples in the water.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.63,0:47:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a feat so impressive for the time that Newton's...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:56.96,0:48:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...mathematical system immediately established itself as...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.04,0:48:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...The correct theory of reality, the ultimate laws of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.17,0:48:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Descartes' dream of the world as a perfect machine...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.09,0:48:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...was now an established fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.62,0:48:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It brought with it such a wealth of benefits for people.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.38,0:48:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People could do things they never been able to do before.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.98,0:48:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was irresistible, and of course, the old notions of...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.42,0:48:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the world as a living organism was swept away.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.22,0:48:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what's wrong with Newton?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.07,0:48:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kit.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.26,0:48:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, this is my daughter Kit and her friend Roman.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.52,0:48:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kit, this is Thomas Harriman.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.96,0:48:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- How you do? - And this is Jack, uh--
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.57,0:48:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Jack Edwards. - Yeah, Jack Edwards. Hi.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.96,0:48:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think of this new ecological view of your mother's?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.25,0:48:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's O.K.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.38,0:48:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kit is utterly bored hearing me talk about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.09,0:48:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, well... We're going to go. Nice to meet you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.87,0:48:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, nice meeting you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.64,0:49:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Have fun. - See you later.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.93,0:49:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, so she's living here with you?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.28,0:49:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, she's in her first year in college, she's on a break.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.46,0:49:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But right now, yes, I think she's utterly bored living here with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.11,0:49:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that. I have two of my own.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.87,0:49:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I had-- I mean I have one.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.29,0:49:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's no accident that Turner painted light...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.40,0:49:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...when he did or that light became the inspiration of the impressionists.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.76,0:49:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The nature of light became an obsession with the physicists, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.11,0:49:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, none of them could visualize how the light of the sun reached the earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.46,0:49:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? What is nature of light?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:52.60,0:49:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To understand the nature of light, you have to know what matter is made of.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.43,0:50:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was made of atoms.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.35,0:50:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's an atom? Newton thought it was small, solid particles.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.58,0:50:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not what scientists saw when they observed atoms for the first time.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.80,0:50:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What they saw was totally unexpected and shocking.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.40,0:50:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mean, when they discovered atoms were made up of even smaller particles...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.02,0:50:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a nucleus with electrons whirling around it?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.49,0:50:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only that. They were moving in relatively vast regions of empty space.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.39,0:50:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what shook the scientists up. Atoms consist mainly of empty space.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.22,0:50:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that mean, vast regions of empty space? Atoms are tiny.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.54,0:50:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, they are, this is what's so hard to visualize.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.83,0:50:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, the size of atoms is so far removed from our ordinary sense of scale and...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.62,0:50:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...proportion that it's extremely hard to get a feeling for the relative...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.55,0:50:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...sizes and distances of their particles.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.78,0:51:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ask yourself, how many atoms are there in an orange?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.51,0:51:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To answer this, you'll have to blow up the orange to a size...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.78,0:51:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...where you can actually see the atoms.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.63,0:51:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll have to blow up the orange until it's reached the size of the earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.72,0:51:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The atoms inside of it will then be the size of cherries.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.59,0:51:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Myriads of cherries tightly packed into an orange the size of earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.25,0:51:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow, what an image! I'm serious.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.96,0:51:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was trying to shrink the earth orange back to a real orange and...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.02,0:51:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...imagine all those cherries whizzing around, it made me dizzy.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.72,0:51:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a dangerous height to be dizzy at.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:39.31,0:51:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But O.K. The atom’s the size of a cherry and in that cherry-atom...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.85,0:51:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...there's all of this empty space. What about the nucleus?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.36,0:51:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a nucleus, right? How big is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.96,0:51:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Invisible" is the answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.25,0:51:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we blow up the atom to the size of a football...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.37,0:51:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the nucleus would still be invisible.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.16,0:52:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we blow it up to the size of a sphere that fits...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.35,0:52:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in this room, the nucleus would still be invisible.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.40,0:52:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about the size of this island, the rock we're standing on?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.76,0:52:14.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.29,0:52:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would blow the atom, the cherry, up to the size of this island...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.69,0:52:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...then the nucleus would be the size of a small pebble, something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.90,0:52:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the electrons would be much smaller still.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.77,0:52:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would have to look for them all the way down there...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.94,0:52:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...at the edge of the island.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.03,0:52:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And whole space in between would be empty.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.13,0:52:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Wow, that's fantastic! - That's weird.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.79,0:52:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's even weirder than poetry.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.10,0:52:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what you're saying is that if there were a sphere...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:52.52,0:52:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...large enough to contain this whole island...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:54.82,0:52:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it would actually consist of a pebble and a few grains of sand?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.35,0:53:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all this huge sphere contains?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:00.65,0:53:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, nothing? It's empty?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.03,0:53:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if this rock is made of spheres like that, then what makes it so solid?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.53,0:53:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why can't I pass my hand through it?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.43,0:53:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Why don't we fall through it? -Why don't we fall through everything?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:17.42,0:53:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the obvious question that physicists had to ask.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.97,0:53:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now remember that all the newtonian concepts were based on things...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:35.82,0:53:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that could actually be seen or at least visualized...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.80,0:53:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but what they were now finding in this strange and unexpected world...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.25,0:53:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...were concepts that could no longer be visualized.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.24,0:53:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when they went on battling with these absurd phenomena of...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.65,0:53:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...atomic physics, they were forced to admit to themselves...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.48,0:54:00.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they didn't have a language, not even an adequate way of...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:00.100,0:54:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...thinking to describe their new discoveries.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.84,0:54:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were forced to think in entirely new ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.71,0:54:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of radically new concepts.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:13.44,0:54:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To understand why matter is so solid they had to question the conventional ideas...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.36,0:54:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...about the very existence of matter, and after many frustrating years...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.71,0:54:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they were forced to admit that matter does not exist with certainty...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:35.09,0:54:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in definite places, but rather shows tendencies to exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.33,0:54:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tendency? What's that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.20,0:54:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say we want to observe an electron out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.79,0:54:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot say it is in a definite place, we can rather say it...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.50,0:54:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...has a tendency to be out there in the front, rather that in...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.18,0:55:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the back, or here to the left, rather that over there to the right.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.32,0:55:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In scientific language we actually don't speak about tendencies...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.92,0:55:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...we speak about probabilities.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.76,0:55:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I seem to remember voting for a bill that gave some physicists a lot of money for...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.22,0:55:19.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a detector that they said would tell them exactly where an electron is.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.100,0:55:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Were we being gypped? - Not at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:22.65,0:55:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The strange thing is that when you actually make a measurement of the electron...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:29.97,0:55:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it is in a definite place, but between measurements you can not say...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.84,0:55:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that it is in a definite place or that it has traveled...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.10,0:55:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a definite path from one place to another.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.33,0:55:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mean when you want to measure it, it just sort of shows up?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.17,0:55:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.06,0:55:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like out-of-work actors or presidential candidates like Jack Edwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.65,0:55:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think? What do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:57.76,0:56:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Hey tough guy. - Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.56,0:56:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my knees hurt.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.14,0:56:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K. Let me get this straight.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.30,0:56:13.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You measure and the electron is there, it shows up, like Tom said.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:13.39,0:56:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in between measurements, you can't say for sure that it's...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.76,0:56:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in a definite place or even that it went on...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:21.19,0:56:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a definite path from one place to another.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:23.85,0:56:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how does it go from here to there? It moves, doesn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:28.17,0:56:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.88,0:56:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You mean it stays in the same place? - No.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.29,0:56:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either the electron moves, or it doesn't move.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.69,0:56:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you can't say that.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.51,0:56:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, are you getting a feeling now of what these physicists felt?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.71,0:56:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, an electron doesn't move from place to place.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.86,0:56:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it doesn't stay in one place, either.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.64,0:56:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It manifests itself as probability patterns spread out in space.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.94,0:57:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the shape of these probability patterns changes with time...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.16,0:57:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...something which might seem like movement to human perception.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:08.14,0:57:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you saying that the electron gets smeared out over a large...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.57,0:57:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...region and then when you measure it with the measuring gun...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.48,0:57:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it collapses into a small point?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.21,0:57:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You got it.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:23.03,0:57:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All subatomic particles, electrons, protons, neutrons...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:27.43,0:57:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...manifest this strange existence between potentiality and reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.39,0:57:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at the subatomic level, there are no solid objects.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.92,0:57:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, there are not.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.56,0:57:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if there are no solid objects at the subatomic level...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.78,0:57:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...how are there solid objects at any level?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.16,0:57:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the amazing thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.01,0:57:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This simple question, what makes this rock so solid?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:58.13,0:58:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...goes way beyond our power of imagination.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.35,0:58:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I cannot explain this to you in visual terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:05.45,0:58:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I can do it in mathematical equations...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:07.96,0:58:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but there's no metaphor for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.56,0:58:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can you live in a world that's unmetaphorical?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:13.92,0:58:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you have to perceive reality in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:17.75,0:58:21.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this is solid.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:21.31,0:58:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.71,0:58:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's take an atom from within this granite...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:28.58,0:58:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the silicon atom with its 14 electrons.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.73,0:58:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The probability patterns of these electrons arrange themselves...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.98,0:58:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...like shells around the nucleus, each shell containing several electrons.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.76,0:58:50.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Within the shells the electrons are every where at the same time...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.100,0:58:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...so to speak, but the probability patterns that resemble shells...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:56.38,0:59:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...are extremely stable and very hard to compress.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.74,0:59:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Matter is solid because probability patterns are difficult to compress?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:07.59,0:59:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's as good as it gets.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.41,0:59:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was right to sleep through Mr. Gides' physic class...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:13.65,0:59:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that model he made me out of tinker toys with sticks...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.30,0:59:19.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...and balls that was wrong, right? - Right, wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:19.65,0:59:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, it's a lousy visualization, but then, no one did it any better.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.95,0:59:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:28.18,0:59:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...appear as it is, infinite." William Blake.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.36,1:00:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Sonia, life's a bunch of probability patterns running around.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.24,1:00:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Probability patterns of what? - Of interconnections.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:07.43,1:00:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:10.07,1:00:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, what I'm trying to say is that this probabilities are not...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.05,1:00:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...probabilities of things, but probabilities of interconnections.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.93,1:00:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, Jack. That's what she was trying to tell you.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:23.32,1:00:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, we tend to think of subatomic particles are some kind of small...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:28.37,1:00:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...billiards balls or small grains of sand.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:31.87,1:00:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for physicists a particle has no independent existence.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:36.50,1:00:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A particle is essentially a set of relations that reach...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:43.02,1:00:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...outward to connect with other things.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:46.53,1:00:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are those other things, please?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.34,1:00:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're interconnections of yet other things which also...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.91,1:00:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...turn out to be interconnections, and so on, and so on.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.06,1:00:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In atomic physics we never end up with any things at all.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:59.60,1:01:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The essential nature of matter lies not in objects, but in interconnections.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:09.82,1:01:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everybody knows the chord, it's a third, the most basic of harmonies.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.55,1:01:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It carries with it a very distinctive feeling, no?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:16.16,1:01:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet it's individual notes carry none of that feeling.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.14,1:01:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, the essence of the chord lies in its--
Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.37,1:01:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lies in relationships.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:27.98,1:01:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the relationship between time and pitch...
Dialogue: 0,1:01:33.00,1:01:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Makes melody. - Makes melody.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.39,1:01:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Relationships make music. - Relationships make matter.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.87,1:01:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Music of the spheres. - As Kepler said.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.49,1:01:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And Shakespeare before him. - And Pythagoras before him.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:51.11,1:01:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, this vision of the universe arranged in harmonies of...
Dialogue: 0,1:01:54.16,1:01:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...sounds and relations is no new discovery.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.92,1:02:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, physicists are simply proving that what we call an object...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:01.34,1:02:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...an atom, a molecule, a particle, is only an approximation, a metaphor.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.32,1:02:12.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the subatomic level, it dissolves into a series of...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.67,1:02:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...interconnections like chords of music. It's beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:17.75,1:02:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, but there are boundaries, aren't there?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.33,1:02:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, between you and me, for instance.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.64,1:02:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are two separate bodies, aren't we? That's not an illusion. Is it?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.74,1:02:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you saying that there is a physical connection...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.41,1:02:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...between you and me, and you and the wall behind you...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:41.64,1:02:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...and the air and this bench? - Yes.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:48.86,1:02:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the subatomic level there is a continual exchange of...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.44,1:02:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...matter and energy between my hand and this wood...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:57.77,1:03:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...between the wood and the air, and even between you and me.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:04.17,1:03:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean a real exchange of photons and electrons.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:07.99,1:03:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ultimately, whether we like it or not...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.20,1:03:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...we're all part of one inseparable web of relationships.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:42.91,1:03:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- How does all this explain light? - Yes, finally, light.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:49.59,1:03:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Light doesn't need a medium because although it...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.75,1:03:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...travels in waves, it also travels as particles.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.79,1:04:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Light is both particles and waves?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:01.27,1:04:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but the particles of light, which we call photons...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:06.50,1:04:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...are of a very special kind.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.59,1:04:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unlike other particles, they never stands still.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:12.85,1:04:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They never speed up, they never slow down.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.39,1:04:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They always travel at the same speed. The speed of light.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:19.14,1:04:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the waves are not ordinary waves, like water waves.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.58,1:04:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're abstract patterns of probabilities traveling in the form...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:29.20,1:04:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...of waves. -Patterns of relationships like everything else?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.32,1:04:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Exactly. - I get it...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.36,1:04:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I don't get it. But I... I get it.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:41.64,1:04:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let there be light.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:43.75,1:04:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And like light, a great variety of other high-energy particles...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.94,1:04:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...cosmic rays bombard the earth.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:51.64,1:04:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these particles colliding with the air creating...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:55.48,1:04:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...more particles, interacting further, creating and...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:58.58,1:05:02.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...destroying more particles, and we are in the middle of this cosmic...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:02.58,1:05:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...dance of creation and destruction. All of us, all the time.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.60,1:05:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Shiva Nataraj. - I beg your pardon?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.20,1:05:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shiva Nataraj. The hindu god of dance.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.18,1:05:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The hindus believe that Shiva's dance sustains the universe...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:17.60,1:05:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that Shiva's dance IS the universe. A ceaseless flow of energy going...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:23.09,1:05:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...through a multiplicity of patterns dissolving into one another...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:26.51,1:05:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's physics. - No, that's poetry.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:29.48,1:05:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's wonderful. No, really. That's great.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.77,1:05:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I hope it doesn't bother anybody.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:36.79,1:05:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you do with this? What's it for?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:40.55,1:05:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't do anything with it, I don't think.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:42.80,1:05:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just think about it, just contemplate it.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.71,1:06:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You guys hungry? I'm hungry. Let's go get something to eat.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:00.13,1:06:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can they do that here? I mean, how can they do that anywhere?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:04.65,1:06:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's your fault. - What?!
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.78,1:06:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, O.K., it's not your fault.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:09.91,1:06:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's physicists' fault. They made the bomb.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:12.03,1:06:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you can't blame littering on the bomb.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:15.94,1:06:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why not? The bomb made the whole planet disposable.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:19.41,1:06:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Littering is an expression of powerlessness.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.23,1:06:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, "hey, what difference does more crap make?"
Dialogue: 0,1:06:24.50,1:06:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all going anyway. Kaplooey!
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.85,1:06:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you're right.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.77,1:06:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I visited Hiroshima 10 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:39.39,1:06:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to the museums.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.97,1:06:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw the photographs of devastation.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:45.66,1:06:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to the Peace Park.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.87,1:06:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looked at all the monuments... the statue of a mother with a baby...
Dialogue: 0,1:06:55.27,1:07:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the statue of a goddess enveloped in paper cranes...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:00.40,1:07:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Big Peace Bell.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.69,1:07:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I saw a mound about 6 feet high covered with grass.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.09,1:07:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wasn't decorated in any way.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:12.47,1:07:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wasn't a symbol of anything, no monument.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:20.06,1:07:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It simply contained the ashes of the atomic bomb victims.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:25.63,1:07:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The actual remains of what was left of tens, maybe hundreds...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.94,1:07:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and thousands of men and women and children...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:36.34,1:07:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...incinerated because of our knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:40.07,1:07:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A flash of light that burned them and obliterated them and totally...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:48.19,1:07:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...transformed the world.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.74,1:07:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as I stood in front of that mound of ashes I...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:59.95,1:08:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...felt that I was face-to-face with the victims of--
Dialogue: 0,1:08:07.61,1:08:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't say it. The victims of...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:11.04,1:08:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...my work as a scientist, as a physicist.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:20.32,1:08:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I cried.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:27.96,1:08:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was little, up on the third floor with my brother...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:30.94,1:08:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...we'd lay on our beds watching the heat lightning flashes...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:34.27,1:08:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and he'd say "What's that?"
Dialogue: 0,1:08:35.94,1:08:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd say "That's it, that's the big one, we're all going to die."
Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.54,1:08:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't make yourself responsible for Hiroshima, Sonia...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.58,1:08:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just because you do physics.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:46.86,1:08:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't invent the bomb. And even if you had, somebody...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.17,1:08:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...else decided to use it, a politician.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:53.86,1:08:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oppenheimer said he felt he had blood on his hands...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:56.56,1:08:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and he did invented it. President Truman's answer was...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.82,1:09:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Who the hell does he think he is?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:00.60,1:09:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm the one who ordered them to drop the damn thing."
Dialogue: 0,1:09:03.19,1:09:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even Oppenheimer wasn't to blame.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:05.27,1:09:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientists are supposed to figure things out, the rest of us figure...
Dialogue: 0,1:09:08.57,1:09:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...out what to do about it.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:11.04,1:09:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, Sonia. I was kidding.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.96,1:09:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe littering is more an expression of poor toilet training, hmm?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:18.35,1:09:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, maybe we could change the subject.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.10,1:09:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no accountability for scientists as there is for...
Dialogue: 0,1:09:27.96,1:09:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...other professions.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:29.83,1:09:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why aren't we obliged, like medical doctors, to not...
Dialogue: 0,1:09:32.19,1:09:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...use our knowledge destructively?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:35.16,1:09:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not that simple. I don't think.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:37.87,1:09:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oppenheimer said he had blood in his hands.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:40.96,1:09:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had regrets after the fact.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:44.14,1:09:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have regrets because of my x-ray laser.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:48.26,1:09:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, I'm responsible for the consequences of my discovery.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:54.32,1:09:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, we never talked about responsibility at the university...
Dialogue: 0,1:09:59.32,1:10:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...not in my time. We never discussed ethics.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:02.52,1:10:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were never taught value thinking.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:05.36,1:10:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one induced upon us the wisdom of the american...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:10.45,1:10:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...indian tribes who made all their...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:14.22,1:10:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...important decisions with the seventh generation in mind.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.31,1:10:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were never taught to think about the future that way.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:22.78,1:10:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were taught in our closed rooms that we were doing pure science...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:27.38,1:10:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in pursuit of pure truth. The noble pursuit of pure truth.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:36.53,1:10:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's what science is, Sonia. Don't be so hard on yourself.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.80,1:10:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, that's what science was maybe, but pure science hardly exists today.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:45.80,1:10:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The scientist isn't sitting in his lab anymore choosing to work...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:49.44,1:10:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...on what fascinates him most. Science is expensive.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.50,1:10:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Pentagon, who pays most of it, decides what is fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:58.19,1:11:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,70% of all science done in the United States today is paid by the military.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:05.41,1:11:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We give our knowledge away without thinking about the values...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.86,1:11:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...without thinking about who is responsible.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:14.30,1:11:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is oversight.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:16.29,1:11:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've served on some of those oversight committees.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:18.58,1:11:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientism is any rational belief in the truth of science.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.70,1:11:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's become a religion today.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.50,1:11:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a good religion, but it is a dominating religion.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:33.25,1:11:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people, of course, who see what miracles physicists...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.79,1:11:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...are able to achieve, like going to outer space, splitting atoms...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:42.17,1:11:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...or making bombs, believe that scientists who are so powerful...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.48,1:11:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...also must be very wise, and so they don't question their...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:51.03,1:11:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...work anymore and they leave their own responsibility in the...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:55.34,1:12:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...hands of these people they envision to have this power of knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.20,1:12:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although they know that scientists are doing scary...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.16,1:12:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...things in the shadows, they just hope that they will be careful.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:10.80,1:12:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then scientists hand over THEIR responsibility...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:15.24,1:12:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to those who are paying them.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:18.64,1:12:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know what happens when you hand over your responsibility...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:23.23,1:12:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to those who pay you, like I did with my laser.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:29.67,1:12:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It broke my heart.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:32.71,1:12:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're worried about the possible dangers of genetic engineering...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.69,1:12:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you get advice from a scientist.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:38.40,1:12:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's the only one who understands.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.71,1:12:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You pretty much have to take his word for it too...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.41,1:12:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because often you don't know even what questions to ask.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:49.59,1:12:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Science should welcome your questions, because science...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:53.47,1:12:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...itself should question everything.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:55.90,1:12:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, this oversight committees hold hearings from time to time...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.90,1:13:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...where the public is invited to comment, maybe you should be there.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:05.01,1:13:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally, you might be able to do some good.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.62,1:13:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's still running. Only the Terminator can stop him.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.39,1:13:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we get the check?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.51,1:13:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'll pay. - Oh, no, no.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:27.13,1:13:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1968, Chicago. Democratic Convention.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:31.65,1:13:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cops are getting ready the charge the demonstrator and I'm standing...
Dialogue: 0,1:13:34.78,1:13:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...next to this guy who I've never before seen, and I say to him...
Dialogue: 0,1:13:37.99,1:13:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, I'm going home". He says "Don't go home, go into politics"
Dialogue: 0,1:13:42.88,1:13:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and like a fool, I listened to him.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.92,1:13:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That guy was Jack who is today a conservative democrat...
Dialogue: 0,1:13:49.16,1:13:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...whatever the hell that is.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.63,1:13:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was working for a delegate, I wasn't even a demonstrator.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:55.17,1:13:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just trying to get into the Hall. Then the cops charged the crowd.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.08,1:14:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all got tear-gassed, I broke my nose. We spent the night in Mayor Daley's jail.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:05.13,1:14:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever happened to all those people?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.85,1:14:11.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesse Jackson got most of them. The rest went to sleep.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:11.81,1:14:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't mean politically, Jack. The primaries are over.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:14.46,1:14:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally... whatever happened to them? Where they live? What do they do?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:18.15,1:14:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know personally.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:19.74,1:14:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But politically, the Green Party got them, at least in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:22.22,1:14:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peace activists, environmentalists, the feminists, the students left...
Dialogue: 0,1:14:25.89,1:14:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the Green Party got them all.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:28.99,1:14:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened to them really?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:30.84,1:14:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it proves that ecological thinking is getting stronger and stronger...
Dialogue: 0,1:14:34.06,1:14:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...people who see the whole picture, who see that all these questions...
Dialogue: 0,1:14:39.12,1:14:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...are related to each other.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:41.34,1:14:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- She's back. - And Gorvachev?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:45.03,1:14:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gorvachev? Was he at the Chicago Demonstration?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:51.87,1:14:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mom. I thought you were with those men.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:55.06,1:15:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I am. They're out there. Hello, Roman. - Bonjour, Madame.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.04,1:15:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to the beach. I'm changing my shoes.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.85,1:15:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What's the trouble? - Nothing.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:18.50,1:15:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Did I do something wrong? - No, it's...
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.21,1:15:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just I can't stand you talking about what's wrong with the world...
Dialogue: 0,1:15:28.02,1:15:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and your new vision of reality, when what I hear is that...
Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.33,1:15:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you're talking about your own problems.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.38,1:15:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How your self feel disconnected, I mean, you can't even relate to me.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.62,1:15:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Are you coming with us this time? - Yeah. Come, Kit. Please.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:53.94,1:15:58.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Do you mind if I go? - No.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:58.02,1:16:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like Jack. Be real with him. Don't bore him to death.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:02.35,1:16:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Kit, he's a married man. - It could do you some good.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:19.90,1:16:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the 1968, Richard Nixon won the youth vote.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:24.49,1:16:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1980 and 1984 Ronald Reagan did the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:30.02,1:16:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Majority of americans are very conservative.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:34.58,1:16:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we are dealing with a historical process that's so deep that...
Dialogue: 0,1:16:38.62,1:16:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...even americans won't be able to resist it much longer.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:41.53,1:16:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I look around in the sciences, I see the same patterns emerging everywhere...
Dialogue: 0,1:16:46.00,1:16:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the same notions of holism, the same thinking in terms of processes...
Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.47,1:16:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...instead of structures. It's happening in America too, because once something...
Dialogue: 0,1:16:54.83,1:16:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...takes hold in the sciences, it will spread.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:57.66,1:17:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It always has, whether we like it or not.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:02.20,1:17:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad to hear you say that.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.65,1:17:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought you'd given up on America.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:23.12,1:17:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's wrong with him?
Dialogue: 0,1:17:26.50,1:17:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The color has probably caught him.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:29.85,1:17:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a poet. He's got a license to be moody.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:35.06,1:17:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's taken him miles from his home, but it's kept him free.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.77,1:17:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sometimes think he can change his thoughts, his point of view...
Dialogue: 0,1:17:46.11,1:17:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...about anything anytime he wants.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.24,1:17:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he meets someone like you who sees things in a...
Dialogue: 0,1:17:50.84,1:17:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...completely new way, he's totally free to go along with it.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:53.86,1:17:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And should you succeed in really changing his views and win him over.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.37,1:18:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can be sure, he'd put those new ideas into a play or...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:02.98,1:18:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a poem and people would admire him for his flexibility.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:07.72,1:18:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you... you feel constrained by your constituency.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:13.35,1:18:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, kind of.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:16.69,1:18:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want me to be the good old conservative democrat...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:18.99,1:18:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they voted for and basically, that's what I am.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:22.90,1:18:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, I'm supposed to represent them. It's not all up to me.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:28.32,1:18:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's supposed to be the will of the people that sets the course and the government...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:32.69,1:18:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that finds the means, the best way to give the folks what they want.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:36.66,1:18:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, it's all a mess right now. The problems are so complex.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:44.23,1:18:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's so much crossover from one problem to another.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:47.77,1:18:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard for people to even begin to think about them.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:54.91,1:18:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still... I think Thomas Jefferson was every bit as...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:58.97,1:19:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...great a mind as Isaac Newton was.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:02.40,1:19:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I doubt if there's been a better form of government...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:05.11,1:19:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...anywhere in history ever and, of course, getting into...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:08.41,1:19:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...politics is nothing to be ashamed of.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:11.64,1:19:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me it's still the biggest challenge there is.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:16.30,1:19:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But things are changing faster and faster every day.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:20.51,1:19:23.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few years back, the greenhouse effect was just a theory...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:23.87,1:19:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and now... we're just not keeping up.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:26.67,1:19:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, Sonia, the question is, can you ideas change that?
Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.80,1:19:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hasn't a lot of what we've talked about been discussed...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:32.23,1:19:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and recognized already, recognized in all the environmental legislation?
Dialogue: 0,1:19:36.92,1:19:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clean water in '72. Clean air in '77. 12, 14 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:41.54,1:19:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're still falling behind.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:42.99,1:19:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So can your ideas make these things move faster?
Dialogue: 0,1:19:45.60,1:19:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, if you're going to wait for most of the...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:48.83,1:19:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to be ready to go along with you, before you move...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:51.60,1:19:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what you have to do...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:54.95,1:19:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sure you're not a secret lover of dictatorships, but...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:57.63,1:20:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...wouldn't it take some totalitarian regime to put ideas as comprehensive...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:03.19,1:20:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...as yours into effect? So, how does all this translate into politics?
Dialogue: 0,1:20:10.45,1:20:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this just going to be the best conversation I've had in months or is...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:13.63,1:20:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...there still a chance you can get me elected president? That's what I...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:16.28,1:20:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...want to know. - You're still asking me for a program.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:21.79,1:20:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to make you embrace a vision...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:26.56,1:20:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but you just want to know what the packaging is.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:29.71,1:20:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a practical man. I'm from Missouri.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.64,1:20:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I thought you were from the east coast. - That's an expression. It means: Show Me.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:40.99,1:20:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Devising policies, that's your job.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:46.02,1:20:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do think that as long as you continue looking at things...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:50.18,1:20:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...through that old patriarchal-cartesian-newtonian lens...
Dialogue: 0,1:20:54.16,1:20:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you're going to miss out on what the world really is.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:59.13,1:21:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You, we, all of us, we need a new vision of the world and we need a more...
Dialogue: 0,1:21:05.11,1:21:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...comprehensive, more inclusive science to support us.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:11.61,1:21:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a new theory emerging now which places all the ecological...
Dialogue: 0,1:21:16.24,1:21:21.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...concepts we've talking about into one coherent, scientific framework.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:21.91,1:21:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We call it Systems Theory, the theory of living systems.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:28.63,1:21:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Living systems?
Dialogue: 0,1:21:31.62,1:21:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All living organisms as well as social systems and ecosystems.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:39.13,1:21:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This theory would help us get a much firmer grasp on...
Dialogue: 0,1:21:42.40,1:21:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the sciences that deal with life.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:44.96,1:21:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are these all your own ideas, or do other people share them?
Dialogue: 0,1:21:49.31,1:21:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Has these been applied in the sciences anywhere?
Dialogue: 0,1:21:52.70,1:21:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I a crank? It's O.K., senator.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:57.64,1:22:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is real science, and many scientists, including some...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:02.21,1:22:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Nobel laureates, have been working on these ideas...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:06.78,1:22:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prigogine, Bateson, Maturana, just to mention a few.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:13.61,1:22:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, it is science, but of a new kind.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:19.53,1:22:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of concentrating on basic building blocks, the...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:24.35,1:22:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...systems view concentrates on principles of organization.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:28.92,1:22:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of cutting things to pieces, it looks at the...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:33.26,1:22:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...living system as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:37.95,1:22:42.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can you think usefully about things in this holistic way?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.01,1:22:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can contemplate them, you can look at them, as Thomas says...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:47.58,1:22:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you want to do something, if you want to get into specifics...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:51.67,1:22:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...by definition, don't you have to take things apart?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:55.42,1:22:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How you can talk usefully about a tree without talking...
Dialogue: 0,1:22:59.90,1:23:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...about its roots, or its leaves or its bark?
Dialogue: 0,1:23:03.37,1:23:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I could without even naming the parts you mention.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:07.55,1:23:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A cartesian would look at the tree and conceptually take...
Dialogue: 0,1:23:11.96,1:23:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...it to pieces, but then he would never really understand...
Dialogue: 0,1:23:16.08,1:23:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the nature of the tree.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:18.39,1:23:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A systems thinker would look at the tree and see the...
Dialogue: 0,1:23:22.12,1:23:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...seasonal exchange between tree and earth, earth and sky.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:27.25,1:23:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would see the annual cycle, which really is one big breath...
Dialogue: 0,1:23:32.75,1:23:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the earth takes through its forests, providing us with oxygen.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:38.23,1:23:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A breath of life, linking the earth with the sky and us with the universe.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:45.34,1:23:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A systems thinker would look at the tree and see the life of the tree...
Dialogue: 0,1:23:52.48,1:23:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...only in relation to the life of the whole forest.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:57.43,1:24:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would see the tree as a habitat for birds, a home for insects.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:03.66,1:24:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you look at the tree and try to understand it as something separate...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:09.83,1:24:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you will be bewildered by the millions of fruits it's producing...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:14.23,1:24:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in its lifetime because only one or two trees will grow from those fruits.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:20.94,1:24:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though if you look at the tree and see it as a member of a...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:26.08,1:24:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...larger living system, that abundance of fruits will make...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:30.92,1:24:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...sense, because hundreds upon hundreds of forest animals...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:35.86,1:24:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and birds will survive because of them... Interdependence.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:41.70,1:24:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the tree cannot survive on its own, either.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:45.63,1:24:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To draw water from the ground it needs the fungus that...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:48.74,1:24:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...grows at the tip of each root, and the fungus needs the...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:52.52,1:24:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...root to survive, and the root needs the fungus.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:56.21,1:24:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If one dies, the other dies.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:58.52,1:25:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are millions of relationships like this in our world...
Dialogue: 0,1:25:02.93,1:25:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...each depending on each other for life.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:07.42,1:25:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Systems Theory recognizes this web of relationships...
Dialogue: 0,1:25:12.82,1:25:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...as the essence of all living things.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:16.44,1:25:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only the uninformed would call such a notion naive or romantic...
Dialogue: 0,1:25:20.74,1:25:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because this dependency we all share is a scientific fact.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:26.67,1:25:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A web of relationships?
Dialogue: 0,1:25:28.74,1:25:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but this time it is the web of life itself.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:34.12,1:25:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The theory of living systems actually provides you with an outline...
Dialogue: 0,1:25:41.84,1:25:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of an answer to that eternal question: What is Life?
Dialogue: 0,1:25:50.85,1:25:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,O.K., Sonia. Let's hear it. What's life?
Dialogue: 0,1:25:55.06,1:26:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In system language the answer would be... The Essence of Life is Self-Organization.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:03.62,1:26:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What's so funny? - That's great.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:08.27,1:26:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is life, ma'am? Is self-organizing, I mean, that's very nice.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:13.94,1:26:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's very, very, very, nice.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:16.14,1:26:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's very nice, ma'am. That's very, very nice.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:18.86,1:26:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, it sounds like something out of Alice in Wonderland.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:23.59,1:26:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe somebody down here speaks your language... Jabberwocky?
Dialogue: 0,1:26:29.92,1:26:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, as Merlin once said to King Arthur...
Dialogue: 0,1:26:32.64,1:26:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't dishonor your feast by rejecting what's come to it"
Dialogue: 0,1:26:36.29,1:26:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well said. What is life?
Dialogue: 0,1:26:39.70,1:26:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life is self-organizing. Well, that's just extraordinary.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:44.78,1:26:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, it is. And it means something specific too.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:49.94,1:26:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means that a living system is self-maintaining, self-renewing...
Dialogue: 0,1:26:57.28,1:27:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...self-transcending. - What does self-maintaining mean?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:01.72,1:27:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it means that a living system, although depending on...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:06.79,1:27:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...its environment, is not determined by it.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:10.65,1:27:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take the yellow fields of rye around this island, with all...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:14.26,1:27:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the rain here those fields should be green all year round...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:17.73,1:27:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but every summer they turn yellow, why?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:21.36,1:27:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, to use a metaphor, each plant "remembers" that it originated...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:28.55,1:27:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in the hot and dry climate of southern Asia, it remembers...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:31.71,1:27:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and not even a dramatically different climate can change its inner workings.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:37.81,1:27:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Self-maintaining, self-organizing. - I see.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:42.70,1:27:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about self-renewing? What does that mean?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:46.34,1:27:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take us. Like all living organisms, we are constantly replacing...
Dialogue: 0,1:27:51.82,1:27:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...ourselves in continuous cycles, much faster than you can imagine.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:58.67,1:28:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You pancreas, for example, do you know that it replaces most...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:02.34,1:28:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of its cells within 24 hours?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:05.32,1:28:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that you wake up with a new pancreas each morning...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:08.28,1:28:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and a new stomach lining as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:10.97,1:28:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you skin, do you know that your skin falls off at the rate of...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:15.08,1:28:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...100,000 cells a minute?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:18.54,1:28:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know that most of the dust in our homes consists of our...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:22.51,1:28:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...own dead skin cells?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:25.12,1:28:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That'll get into a poem. Our households are filled with dead skin.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:30.60,1:28:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at the same time, as all these dead cells are being shed...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:35.30,1:28:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just as many are dividing and producing new skin.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:40.04,1:28:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's self-renewing.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:41.68,1:28:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Heraclitus once said "A man can't step into the same river...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:44.79,1:28:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...twice", Sonia says a man can't shake hands with the same man...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:48.08,1:28:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...twice with the same hand, right? - Yes and no.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:51.59,1:28:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though most of our cells are being replaced, we do recognize...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:55.16,1:28:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...each other because the pattern of our organization...
Dialogue: 0,1:28:59.83,1:29:02.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is still the same.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:02.63,1:29:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the important characteristics of life...
Dialogue: 0,1:29:06.54,1:29:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...continuous structural change, but stability in the pattern...
Dialogue: 0,1:29:12.51,1:29:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...of the system's organization. - And that's all there is to life?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:16.19,1:29:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, there is self-transcending.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:20.47,1:29:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Self-organization is not only the living systems...
Dialogue: 0,1:29:25.44,1:29:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...maintaining themselves and continuously renewing themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:31.18,1:29:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also means that they have an inherent tendency to...
Dialogue: 0,1:29:36.19,1:29:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...transcend themselves, to reach out and create new forms.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:44.52,1:29:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is one of the most exciting parts to me that the basic dynamics...
Dialogue: 0,1:29:50.16,1:29:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of evolution it's not adaptation, it's creativity.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:55.24,1:29:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mean living systems will evolve just for the hell of it?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:58.29,1:30:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll go exploring whether they need it for survive or not?
Dialogue: 0,1:30:00.97,1:30:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not so far out of step as I usually suppose?
Dialogue: 0,1:30:03.83,1:30:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, you're not. Creativity is a basic element of evolution.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:10.37,1:30:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every living organism has the potential for creativity...
Dialogue: 0,1:30:14.64,1:30:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...for surprising and transcending itself.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:18.34,1:30:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Creating what, for instance, beauty? - Oh, yes, beauty too.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:22.74,1:30:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evolution is so much more than adaptation to the environment...
Dialogue: 0,1:30:28.18,1:30:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because what is the environment if not a living system wich evolves...
Dialogue: 0,1:30:34.59,1:30:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and creatively adapts itself? So, which adapts to which?
Dialogue: 0,1:30:42.93,1:30:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each to the other, they... co-evolve.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:48.55,1:30:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evolution is an ongoing dance, an ongoing conversation.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:56.42,1:31:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are systems, and the planet is a system.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:00.24,1:31:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't evolve on the planet, we evolve with the planet.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:05.64,1:31:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't it be extraordinarily powerful if you could introduce...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:11.05,1:31:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...just that one idea into the political dialogue?
Dialogue: 0,1:31:14.35,1:31:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, Jack. There might be something in this for you to...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:16.81,1:31:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...renew you candidacy, while as for Sonia and myself--
Dialogue: 0,1:31:21.15,1:31:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I beg you're going to say it was my destiny to come here and...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:25.36,1:31:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...meet Sonia and listen to these ideas. What am I going to do about this?
Dialogue: 0,1:31:32.21,1:31:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I come from a country where they use 40% of the world's...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:35.23,1:31:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...resources to support 6% of the world's population, which...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:38.52,1:31:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...makes the population so happy and peaceful that we're...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:41.50,1:31:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the world's biggest drug market.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:43.81,1:31:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Half our teenagers contemplate suicide, one in five girls has tried it.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:48.27,1:31:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would a system thinker give nuclear energy a second thought?
Dialogue: 0,1:31:51.83,1:31:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're up to our necks in all of its waste.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:54.50,1:31:58.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the most important issue of what you've just been saying...
Dialogue: 0,1:31:58.02,1:32:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is the obsessive pursuit of growth. That has to stop.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:03.38,1:32:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know, I know. I've been over this a hundred times...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:06.50,1:32:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...obsessive growth, pathological growth, destructive growth...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:10.11,1:32:12.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...but how are you going to get anybody to accept it?
Dialogue: 0,1:32:12.59,1:32:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I going to do? Where do you start?
Dialogue: 0,1:32:15.68,1:32:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to give importance to the next generation, and the next.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:21.73,1:32:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was only when we failed to include them in...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:25.80,1:32:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...our scientific theories, and in our pursuit of growth...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:29.42,1:32:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that we placed all living systems in jeopardy.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:33.06,1:32:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just contemplate that horrifying fact that we are leaving to our...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:39.96,1:32:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...children the most poisonous of wastes: plutonium.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:45.51,1:32:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's going to remain poisonous for the next generation...
Dialogue: 0,1:32:49.45,1:32:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and the next, and the next.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:51.36,1:32:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, it's going to remain poisonous for a half million years.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:55.60,1:33:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should never have accepted that theory "Knowledge is power".
Dialogue: 0,1:33:00.10,1:33:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should never have accepted the idea that what's good for...
Dialogue: 0,1:33:02.88,1:33:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...General Motors is good for America. We need a sustainable society.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:09.27,1:33:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One in which our needs are being satisfied without diminishing...
Dialogue: 0,1:33:13.11,1:33:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the possibilities of the next generation.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:16.89,1:33:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're asking me-- You're asking me what should you do?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:20.100,1:33:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what you should do. You know what you should do.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:23.60,1:33:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that what worked for me was to come here, be quiet...
Dialogue: 0,1:33:28.78,1:33:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and take one thing at a time, think one thought to its end.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:34.48,1:33:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, that was my first real step... Telling you was my second.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:40.89,1:33:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't pass the buck that easily.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:44.04,1:33:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How about doing something direct about this?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:47.39,1:33:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How about helping me? How about joining my staff?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:52.10,1:33:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What-- What do you mean?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:54.71,1:33:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know...
Dialogue: 0,1:33:56.25,1:34:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finding a way to get these ideas of yours into the political mainstream.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:00.32,1:34:04.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You say the ideas are practical, I'll give you a chance to prove it.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:04.19,1:34:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be a frustrating work, you'd have to watch a lot of lying...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:08.60,1:34:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and wheeling and dealing and learns how to compromise, too.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:12.17,1:34:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd have to get your hands dirty.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:17.10,1:34:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get them dirty the way I want here, in my Ivory Tower...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:23.44,1:34:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...where I can sit and think.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:28.08,1:34:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jack, with his tenacious pursuit of the common good, not...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:31.88,1:34:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to mention his own career, just doesn't seem to understand...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:35.40,1:34:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...how an individual could want to get away...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:38.19,1:34:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a long, long way away, thousands and thousands and...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:41.82,1:34:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...thousands of miles away.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:44.13,1:34:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can be a voice crying in the wilderness instead...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:47.37,1:34:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of being one of many voices trying to be heard over the clamor?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:52.27,1:34:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Believe me, I can appreciate being here...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:57.44,1:35:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can understand why that would be nice...
Dialogue: 0,1:35:03.23,1:35:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see the pedestrian nature of political work, but...
Dialogue: 0,1:35:07.81,1:35:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, if you're going to say no, don't say anything just think it over.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:27.54,1:35:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What time does the tide actually come in?
Dialogue: 0,1:35:29.92,1:35:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will be soon now. It's going to reach its all-year high today.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:34.54,1:35:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can go closer. Come.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:41.54,1:35:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas must like you.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:44.47,1:35:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He doesn't usually have this much time for other people's ideas. Do you?
Dialogue: 0,1:35:49.26,1:35:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not yours, maybe. No, that's not nice.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:55.79,1:35:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I like her. I like you.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:58.50,1:36:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have a lot of guts to come here, isolate, stay put...
Dialogue: 0,1:36:03.32,1:36:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...determine to figure things out until you had something...
Dialogue: 0,1:36:06.06,1:36:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to offer a couple of sods like you and I.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:10.67,1:36:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people talk about doing thins like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:13.42,1:36:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how many people actually do it?
Dialogue: 0,1:36:16.26,1:36:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could have stayed as long, read as much, and decided...
Dialogue: 0,1:36:19.01,1:36:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you have nothing to offer.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:21.34,1:36:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An isolation in and of itself is a very scaring thing, Jack.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:25.22,1:36:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yeah, I like you. I like you, too.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:28.47,1:36:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very brave of you to listen. I'd have been disappointed if you hadn't.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:33.12,1:36:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, Jack, I'm not so sure that strong-arming her...
Dialogue: 0,1:36:38.94,1:36:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...into a washingtonian office is exactly where she needs to be right now.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:42.74,1:36:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, it may be exactly where she doesn't need to be.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:45.94,1:36:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's eating you?
Dialogue: 0,1:36:49.20,1:36:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, you're right. What is this, group therapy?
Dialogue: 0,1:36:57.34,1:37:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All this is covered in water when the tide comes in, isn't it?
Dialogue: 0,1:37:00.76,1:37:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yes.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:02.56,1:37:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including the pastures, must take a special breed of sheep...
Dialogue: 0,1:37:05.90,1:37:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to be able grazing here around with all this salt.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:08.98,1:37:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how could the grass grow without the manure and the...
Dialogue: 0,1:37:12.98,1:37:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...sheep grazing on it?
Dialogue: 0,1:37:14.79,1:37:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't be surprised if the people here have a taste for salty lambs...
Dialogue: 0,1:37:18.49,1:37:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...so the people are in it too... the sea, the grass, the people, the sheep.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:27.54,1:37:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}«You asked me what the lobster is weaving down there with its golden feet?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:37:34.25,1:37:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I tell you, the ocean knows this.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:37:38.80,1:37:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}You say, who is the ascidia waiting for in its transparent bell?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:37:44.80,1:37:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I tell you, it's waiting for time, like you.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:37:50.01,1:37:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}You say, who does the Macrocystis algae hug in its arms?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:37:54.51,1:38:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Study it, study it at a certain hour, in a certain sea I know.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:01.25,1:38:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}You question me about the wicked tusk of the narwhal...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:04.90,1:38:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...and I respond by describing to you how the sea unicorn...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:08.29,1:38:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...with a harpoon in it dies.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:13.62,1:38:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}You inquire about the kingfisher's feathers which tremble...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:17.64,1:38:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...in the pure springs of the southern shores...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:22.11,1:38:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I want to tell you that the ocean knows this...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:25.31,1:38:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...that life in its jewel boxes is endless as the sand...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:30.90,1:38:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...impossible to count, pure, and that time among the blood-colored grapes...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:37.57,1:38:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...has made the petal hard and shiny, filled the...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:41.46,1:38:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...jellyfish with light, untied its knot letting its musical threads...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:44.95,1:38:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...fall from a horn of plenty made of infinite mother-of-pearl.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:49.98,1:38:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I'm nothing but the empty net which has gone on ahead of human eyes...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:53.83,1:38:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...dead in the darknesses, of fingers accustomed to the triangle...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:38:57.24,1:39:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...longitudes on the timid globe of an orange.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:39:00.96,1:39:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I walked around like you investigating the endless star.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:39:06.55,1:39:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}And in my net during the night I woke up naked.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:39:11.69,1:39:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}The only thing caught? A fish trapped inside the wind.»{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:39:24.29,1:39:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pablo Neruda.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:29.13,1:39:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pablo Neruda!
Dialogue: 0,1:39:33.31,1:39:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That remind you of anything?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:36.03,1:39:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Walked around investigating the endless star?"
Dialogue: 0,1:39:40.33,1:39:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't that what you do, Sonia?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:42.90,1:39:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And in my net during the night, I awoke naked--" Isn't that what you do?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:46.17,1:39:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't you take your net and throw it into these far-out places...
Dialogue: 0,1:39:49.58,1:39:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of quantum physics and systems theory?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:53.01,1:39:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And don't you find that the only thing you ever catch...
Dialogue: 0,1:39:55.86,1:39:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is your own self back again?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:59.89,1:40:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like a fish trapped inside the wind?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:06.48,1:40:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where are the other people in your system, Sonia... the ones you love?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:14.07,1:40:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what about this tourists here that we feel so superior to?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:17.55,1:40:21.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aren't they, too, like fish trapped inside the wind?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:21.55,1:40:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, I don't know, maybe even the feeling's more terrible for them...
Dialogue: 0,1:40:24.57,1:40:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because they don't have words to describe it.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:29.77,1:40:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, tell me Sonia, where are all of us in there...
Dialogue: 0,1:40:34.54,1:40:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the real people with their qualities, their longings, their weaknesses?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:43.28,1:40:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where are you inside there, Sonia? Where's Kit?
Dialogue: 0,1:40:48.32,1:40:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, scientists can tell us what life's internal...
Dialogue: 0,1:40:52.12,1:40:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...metaphors are, whether they're computer chips or clocks.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:55.77,1:41:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Politician can tell us what forms our lives should take...
Dialogue: 0,1:41:01.39,1:41:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, uh...
Dialogue: 0,1:41:03.85,1:41:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel just as reduced being called a system as I do being called a clock.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:09.51,1:41:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life's just... just not condensable.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:17.48,1:41:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One group of people uses one set of words to change...
Dialogue: 0,1:41:20.62,1:41:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...the world, then another set of people come along with a...
Dialogue: 0,1:41:24.30,1:41:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...different set of words to change it. And I don't mind, you know?
Dialogue: 0,1:41:29.80,1:41:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all the same to me. I don't mind a bit.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:33.72,1:41:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like the seasons changing, and I like you.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:37.90,1:41:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like your timorous courage.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:40.74,1:41:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the fact that you want to make the world a better place.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:44.67,1:41:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I like my silly friend Jack who's crazy enough to think...
Dialogue: 0,1:41:48.63,1:41:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that he wants to be the president of the United States.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:52.64,1:41:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as for me... don't mind me. I'm a... fool.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:57.91,1:42:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But remember...
Dialogue: 0,1:42:02.37,1:42:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life feels itself. Life feels itself.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:11.48,1:42:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Differently, perhaps, than all your words for how to manage it.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:15.76,1:42:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even with the best intentions in the world you'll go wrong if you forget...
Dialogue: 0,1:42:19.64,1:42:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that life-- life-- life--
Dialogue: 0,1:42:22.84,1:42:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...life is infinitely more than yours or my obtuse theories about it.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:28.80,1:42:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Healing the universe is an inside job, and you've helped me.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:37.19,1:42:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love you.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:40.47,1:42:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love you too. I love you both.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:47.67,1:42:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Water!
Dialogue: 0,1:42:51.26,1:43:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a day! What a day!
Dialogue: 0,1:43:53.02,1:43:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if we're going to go, we better leave now.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:57.86,1:44:00.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't you just stay?
Dialogue: 0,1:44:00.33,1:44:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know. Why don't you just come? Anyway, thanks.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:08.09,1:44:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:10.23,1:44:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't thank me, I loved the day. I hate goodbyes.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:16.07,1:44:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it's not goodbye. Please think about what I said.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:21.41,1:44:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let us know how the water raises. - Does that matter?
Dialogue: 0,1:44:25.88,1:44:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course it matters. Let it get all the way back the line.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:30.70,1:44:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let it renew itself. Right, Sonia? Maybe come to Paris to let me know.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:35.39,1:45:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Or Washington. - Or New York.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:18.45,1:45:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Where are the other people in your system, Sonia... the ones you love?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:45:27.66,1:45:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}The real people with their qualities... their longings, their weaknesses.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:45:34.97,1:45:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mom, are you O.K.?
Dialogue: 0,1:45:37.36,1:45:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Where are you inside there, Sonia? Where's Kit?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:45:50.68,1:46:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are you thinking?
Dialogue: 0,1:46:00.45,1:46:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shall we go home?
Dialogue: 0,1:46:23.41,1:46:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I feel like my long weekend in France has just come to a close.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:28.20,1:46:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Maybe I, too, am tired of being a stranger, of being outside...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:32.05,1:46:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...a language environment which lived, which resonated inside me...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:37.83,1:46:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...our emotional system, as she might say, needs a larger system to nurture it.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:48.63,1:46:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Doesn't make any difference.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:50.22,1:46:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}You're locked in with the people you know, you need to belong somewhere.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:53.35,1:46:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}- He's right, of course, about damn near everything.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:46:57.16,1:47:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Even the parts I didn't understand felt right.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:01.93,1:47:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}So... should I just go with it?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:09.26,1:47:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Is this one of those turning points?{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:18.25,1:47:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}«You the woman, I the man, this the world, and each is the work of all.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:25.55,1:47:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}It is the muffled step in the sand, the stranger, the crippled wren...{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:28.89,1:47:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}...the nun, the dance of the angels, winging over the walkers in the village.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:32.01,1:47:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}And there are many beautiful arms around us and the things we know...»{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:37.16,1:47:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I don't know how the rest of that damn poem goes.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:47:51.58,1:47:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subtitles by: Colectivo Intuición del Espacio.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:55.98,1:47:59.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colaborators: Milton de Jesús Medellín Álvarez
Dialogue: 0,1:47:59.97,1:48:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Néstor Daniel Pérez Muñoz.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:03.54,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Revision and ressync: http://www.youtube/ECOmantiqueira