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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.78,0:00:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time, in 2013,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.18,0:00:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was studying in Austria, in Vienna, at the Academy of Fine Arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.31,0:00:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was regularly returning to Belgium.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.72,0:00:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had only been a year or two since \NI had started to present my work there,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.94,0:00:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had just begun making connections \Nwith a few curators and figures in the art world.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.16,0:00:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, my work was still relatively unknown in Belgium.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.77,0:00:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This opportunity therefore presented itself \Nas the ideal occasion to showcase what I was doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.02,0:00:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What particularly appealed to me was that the selection process \Nwas based on the submission of a portfolio.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.59,0:00:30.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wasn't about personal connections or informal networking;
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.100,0:00:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t have to actively seek people out.\NInstead, I could simply submit a file containing my work,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.01,0:00:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the decision would be made solely on the basis of its content\Nwhether the jury found it compelling or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.01,0:00:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The proposal I submitted involved\Nconstructing a wall
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.05,0:00:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would span across all of the exhibition spaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.54,0:00:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea was to negotiate with the other artists\Nso that we would all engage with this wall in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.24,0:00:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also proposed that we share the prize money \Nequally among the four selected artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.55,0:00:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This way, each of us could walk away with roughly €1,000
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.34,0:00:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which seemed like a fair and appealing deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.91,0:01:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.63,0:01:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the discussions with each of the participating artists progressed, \Nit gradually became clear that my proposal was leading to a dead end.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.69,0:01:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the end, the work I presented reflected that very impasse\Nit became a narrative of failed negotiations and the limits of collaboration.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.57,0:01:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Young Belgian Painting Prize represents \Na particularly significant period in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.06,0:01:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ever since childhood, I had dreamed of becoming an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.08,0:01:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I imagined it as a wondrous world filled with creativity and meaning. \NI worked relentlessly to reach that vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.83,0:01:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, almost like a newly hatched bird, something opened up — suddenly, unexpectedly.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.41,0:01:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I must have been around 27 or 28 years old \Nwhen everything seemed to unfold at once.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.44,0:01:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recall that time as a period of three or four years \Nthat felt intensely exhilarating.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.79,0:01:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was as if something deep within me had finally come to the surface.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.19,0:01:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I also remember being at the FIAC art fair in Paris, \Nstanding in the midst of it all, and realizing with a strange clarity:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.15,0:01:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not my world.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.62,0:01:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world I had dreamed of was not the world I was now confronting
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.64,0:02:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world of objects, of commodified art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.43,0:02:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reality of the art market made me feel deeply uneasy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.22,0:02:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a space in which I could not fully find myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.71,0:02:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I would describe the Young Belgian Painting Prize \Nas a kind of enchanted parenthesis
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.92,0:02:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a moment in time when everything emerged all at once, almost as if by magic.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.14,0:02:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in hindsight, it may also have marked the beginning of a different life altogether.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.54,0:02:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The year I participated
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.98,0:02:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I recall correctly, that must have been in 2005
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.45,0:02:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.30,0:02:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Denicolai & Provoost
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.10,0:02:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were also among the selected artists that same year.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.06,0:02:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their proposal struck me as particularly relevant,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.89,0:02:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as is often the case with their work.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.71,0:02:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They suggested cancelling the competition altogether
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.94,0:02:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning, even before the exhibition began,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.86,0:02:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they proposed that we not enter into rivalry with one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.71,0:03:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a gesture that carried a certain disruptive potential.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.57,0:03:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reaching the stage of the Young Belgian Painting Prize already \Nimplies having gone through a significant selection process.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.25,0:03:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one might ask: is this final selection truly necessary?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.24,0:03:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whom does it ultimately serve?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.32,0:03:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their idea was to place all the prize money into a shared fund
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.27,0:03:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to distribute it equally among the participating artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.60,0:03:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was strongly in favour of this exception.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.72,0:03:27.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, I recall that one of the artists opposed the idea,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.100,0:03:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we did not proceed with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.03,0:03:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nonetheless,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.48,0:03:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a reflection on what the future \Nof the Young Belgian Art Prize could become,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.62,0:03:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe this proposal represents an intriguing and meaningful path to consider.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.81,0:03:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I first became aware of the BelgianArtPrize
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.44,0:03:46.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the work that my friend Adrien Tirtiaux had presented there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.43,0:03:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His project inspired me to apply the following year,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.47,0:03:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 2014.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.56,0:03:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time of my application,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.47,0:04:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Certain Amount of Clarity had just been finalized.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.67,0:04:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had the strong intuition
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.66,0:04:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this film marked a turning point in my artistic practice.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.100,0:04:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is clearly a before and after to this work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.07,0:04:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prior to it, I had not engaged with the digital revolution \Nor the transformations taking place online.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.36,0:04:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the first time I created a film composed entirely
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.30,0:04:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of found footage sourced from the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.06,0:04:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it was a significant work,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.87,0:04:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was actively searching for a platform
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.62,0:04:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could present it under the best possible conditions.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.89,0:04:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The BelgianArtPrize offered exactly that:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.07,0:04:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it provided the ideal context in which to screen the film at Bozar,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.20,0:04:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in circumstances that fully respected the integrity of the piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.79,0:04:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the Young Belgian Painting Prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.71,0:04:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I was awarded in 1999,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.44,0:04:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I chose to create a video installation
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.29,0:04:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,filmed on-site at Bozar.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.57,0:04:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The scene I filmed, titled Scène d’Attente,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.26,0:04:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took place in the Henry Le Boeuf Hall
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.77,0:05:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the iconic concert venue where I felt particularly at home,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.40,0:05:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I come from a family of music lovers.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.40,0:05:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a space I knew intimately.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.98,0:05:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The work was conceived as an exploration of waiting:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.01,0:05:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moment when the audience enters,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.98,0:05:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finds their seats,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.25,0:05:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the performance is about to begin.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.56,0:05:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to focus on that suspended time
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.52,0:05:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to create a kind of choreography of anticipation.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.29,0:05:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This video was then exhibited in the exhibition spaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.21,0:05:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on walls painted in a deep burgundy, \Nechoing the color of the concert hall’s seats.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.78,0:05:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To highlight specific moments from this choreography
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.27,0:05:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gestures of hands, expressions, iconic details
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.12,0:05:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I placed A4 sheets directly on the wall,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.23,0:05:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pinning them up to draw attention
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.26,0:05:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to certain elements within the filmed scene.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.36,0:05:55.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, the challenge lay
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.93,0:06:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in translating a work I had developed in my studio\Ninto the exhibition space
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.90,0:06:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an adaptation that, in the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.97,0:06:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was only partially successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.89,0:06:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my studio, I had worked on a light blue floor,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.87,0:06:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at Bozar, the space was different:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.43,0:06:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it had a wooden parquet floor,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.46,0:06:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and instead of a traditional wall, there was a fabric-covered panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.21,0:06:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made adjustments accordingly,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.38,0:06:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just fifteen minutes before I finished installing the work,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.35,0:06:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the jury arrived.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.25,0:06:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They told me to hurry, and then added, “You’ve won.”
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.67,0:06:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a gratifying moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.45,0:06:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was back in 1985, forty years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.99,0:06:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The protocols at the time were different
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.02,0:06:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more flexible, more human,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.65,0:06:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps more spontaneous than those of today.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.22,0:06:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I applied, I wasn’t entirely sure what I was getting into.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.70,0:06:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had only just moved to Brussels a year earlier,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.81,0:06:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was through conversations with friends
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.97,0:06:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I learned the prize was considered important
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.12,0:06:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it was well worth applying,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.36,0:06:58.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially since there was also a painting award,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.27,0:07:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I had never had the chance to compete for before.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.02,0:07:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The experience provided me with significant visibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.11,0:07:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work was exhibited at Bozar,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.53,0:07:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowing it to be seen by a wide audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.08,0:07:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many artists and key figures from the art world
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.100,0:07:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovered my work at that time,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.89,0:07:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks to the recognition the prize carried.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.79,0:07:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was an opportunity I seized without hesitation,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.16,0:07:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it turned out to be an excellent one.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.37,0:07:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, it was a meaningful gateway for me into the Belgian art scene
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.09,0:07:36.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clearly a valuable point of entry.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.67,0:07:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was invited to participate in the Young Belgian Painting Prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.31,0:07:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although my practice focused on textiles.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.14,0:07:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My textile work was rendered in primary colours
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.48,0:07:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,red, black, white, blue, and yellow
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.92,0:07:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are the only colours I use.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.63,0:08:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When presenting to the jury,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.24,0:08:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I explained that my work should be understood as painting,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.31,0:08:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as weaving,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.23,0:08:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as a black painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.08,0:08:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After presenting,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.72,0:08:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the jury deliberated.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.09,0:08:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later, I received a phone call informing me
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.05,0:08:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had been selected for the Young Belgian Painting Prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.88,0:08:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It felt like winning the lottery.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.81,0:08:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember asking, “Are you sure it’s me?”
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.55,0:08:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Receiving the Young Belgian Painting Prize marked, for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.14,0:08:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the beginning of a career
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.56,0:08:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a true departure point.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.42,0:08:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A small anecdote that illustrates the context:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.31,0:09:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found out I had won the Young Belgian Painting Prize through a telegram.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.71,0:09:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a deeply emotional moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.60,0:09:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What made it even more unique was that,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.79,0:09:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although my parents had always supported me,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.15,0:09:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never fully understood what I was doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.80,0:09:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time, my practice was quite conceptual,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.88,0:09:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for them, it didn’t really resemble what they considered art.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.93,0:09:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They struggled to see me as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.74,0:09:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But with the award came press coverage
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.25,0:09:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,articles in the newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.14,0:09:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Suddenly, because it was printed in black and white,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.47,0:09:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it gave them a sense of reassurance.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.88,0:09:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe that, from that moment on, they truly saw me as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.22,0:09:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More importantly, the prize allowed me to continue,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.75,0:09:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it reinforced my intuition
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.67,0:09:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it wasn’t foolish to keep pursuing the path I had chosen.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.06,0:10:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Winning the BelgianArtPrize was important to me
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.47,0:10:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it allowed me to change my professional situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.53,0:10:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the first time,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.68,0:10:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could legally and independently practise my work as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.16,0:10:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It marked a real shift.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.30,0:10:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Crowet Prize enabled me suddenly to obtain a VAT status,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.64,0:10:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowing me to enter into a position
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.46,0:10:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I wanted to enter in full transparency
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.86,0:10:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another formative aspect of the experience
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.67,0:10:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was meeting the members of an independent jury
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.28,0:10:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsible for awarding the prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.49,0:10:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without any direct personal stake,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.90,0:10:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the funding came from private sponsors,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.89,0:10:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the jury, composed of professionals
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.44,0:10:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was free to determine how that money would be distributed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.81,0:10:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Engaging with individuals who were far more established in the art world
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.69,0:11:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave me both confidence and a sense of legitimacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.21,0:11:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of the artists selected that year are still,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.94,0:11:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this day, practitioners I hold in high regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.05,0:11:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time, the Young Belgian Painting Prize was
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.86,0:11:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only national-level award of its kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.07,0:11:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was widely regarded as the one prize
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.50,0:11:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every emerging artist had to participate in.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.66,0:11:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it was also one of the first opportunities
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.45,0:11:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to realise a project on a larger scale.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.02,0:11:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though it was prepared in a very small, dark studio with no daylight,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.82,0:11:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the work was eventually built at Bozar
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.01,0:11:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the help of my brother and using simple, household materials.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.74,0:11:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have fond memories of that installation period.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.57,0:11:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the first time I created an expansive landscape,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.39,0:11:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sort of diorama.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.56,0:11:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a truly meaningful experience
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.74,0:11:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to create something within such a context
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.60,0:11:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that otherwise would never have existed.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.14,0:12:04.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, Un Tour d’Horizon is a beautiful example
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.50,0:12:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how things can come together in an unexpected and meaningful way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.66,0:12:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The title emerged during one of the meetings with the board members,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.36,0:12:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when someone casually remarked:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.89,0:12:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.73,0:12:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“A real suspense. No mad exhibition. C’est un tour d’horizon.”
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.54,0:12:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That moment struck me.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.30,0:12:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The notion of a horizon is so present \Nand layered within the context of art.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.52,0:12:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From there, the work began to take shape.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.52,0:12:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided to create a performance
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.11,0:12:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving six individuals, each contributing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.06,0:12:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from their own unique character and sensibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.33,0:12:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The entire event
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.88,0:12:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfolded behind closed doors,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.51,0:12:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without my presence,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.24,0:12:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had to relinquish control.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.87,0:12:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This act of letting go generated an energy
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.54,0:13:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that produced its own kind of beauty.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.65,0:13:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interestingly, I never saw the actual image they created
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.01,0:13:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the jury performance.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.57,0:13:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It felt like a precious gift
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.32,0:13:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also because it could be shared with others.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.05,0:13:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To my knowledge, I never actually won the prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.46,0:13:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was selected as one of the laureates,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.05,0:13:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with four other artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.37,0:13:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was in 1972.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.83,0:13:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time, I was applying to the Higher Institute of Saint-Lucas in Brussels.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.10,0:13:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I brought three slide series with me
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.72,0:13:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to support my application.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.87,0:13:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The members of the jury were completely taken aback.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.32,0:13:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few months later,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.33,0:13:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I submitted those same works to the Young Belgian Painting competition,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.92,0:13:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to my surprise, I was named one of the laureates.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.47,0:13:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The choice to select my work
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.66,0:13:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reflected not only the evolution of the artist,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.67,0:14:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also the transformation of the prize itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.77,0:14:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The two were interconnected.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.21,0:14:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After the events of May 1968, there was a general push toward
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.10,0:14:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more democratic structures, including in the art world.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.78,0:14:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can no longer recall the original prize amount awarded to the winner,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.35,0:14:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the spirit of democratization,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.38,0:14:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the prize was divided into four parts
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.47,0:14:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps even five, maybe enough to go out for a drink.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.35,0:14:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can’t say for certain.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.24,0:14:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our edition took place in 2015,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.47,0:14:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the edition before included Jasper Rigole,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.82,0:14:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whom I knew because we frequented the same cinema in Ghent.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.57,0:14:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Felicia Atkinson was also among the participants,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.99,0:14:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she had just released a vinyl record featuring my music.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.26,0:14:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It felt like quite a coincidence
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.52,0:14:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these two people were brought together in that exhibition.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.52,0:14:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was genuinely excited by the idea:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.10,0:14:58.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they had taken part, then perhaps I should try as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.30,0:15:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though at the time, I didn’t have much experience
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.49,0:15:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with installations or making exhibitions.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.30,0:15:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember that drafting the proposal was a very exciting process.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.19,0:15:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still remember submitting it on the final day.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.13,0:15:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I arrived, I saw a large stack of submissions
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.58,0:15:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some even tied with ribbons
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.97,0:15:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as people crossed the street
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.66,0:15:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deliver them to the Ravenstein gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.69,0:15:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was striking to see how many people had applied.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.40,0:15:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the past, the award was called the Young Belgian Painting Prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.09,0:15:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At a certain point, it was renamed the BelgianArtPrize.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.54,0:15:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only then did I become eligible to participate,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.18,0:15:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I had previously been too old under the earlier regulations.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.43,0:15:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The procedure had also changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.56,0:15:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Initially, artists applied directly, but later it became \Nan invitation-based process.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.82,0:15:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One had to be nominated.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.41,0:15:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was placed on a shortlist
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.86,0:15:51.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was asked to submit my portfolio.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.70,0:15:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From that selection, four artists were chosen to create new work,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.21,0:16:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would then be exhibited at Bozar.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.77,0:16:05.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One would receive the main prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.73,0:16:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.24,0:16:08.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,myself, in this case
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.79,0:16:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would receive the Public Prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.94,0:16:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was truly honoured and very pleased.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.98,0:16:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It meant a great deal, especially because the nominations
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.58,0:16:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came from professionals within the field.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.39,0:16:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That kind of recognition shows that your work is valued by your peers.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.17,0:16:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, when you are invited to take part in something of this scale,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.22,0:16:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly in such beautiful spaces at Bozar,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.88,0:16:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you feel a strong desire to present something meaningful.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.76,0:16:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shortly before the exhibition,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.90,0:16:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had collaborated with a lace maker from Halle.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.78,0:16:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked her if she would be interested in working together again
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.77,0:16:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create The Gadget, the first atomic bomb
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.70,0:16:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this time using a 3D lace technique.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.08,0:16:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had been discussing with Jan Mot
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.82,0:17:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where and how I could present my work,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.61,0:17:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I was still a very young artist at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.05,0:17:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Etienne Wynants, who was then working at De Witte Raaf,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.30,0:17:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suggested that I consider applying for the BelgianArtPrize.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.11,0:17:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought to myself, why not?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.61,0:17:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I submitted an application.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.51,0:17:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The works I presented were actually my first cinematic portraits.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.08,0:17:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They marked the beginning of a direction
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.22,0:17:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would continue to develop in the years that followed.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.94,0:17:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The exhibition as part of the BelgianArtPrize
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.55,0:17:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a turning point for me
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.80,0:17:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the first time I truly felt that a wide audience
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.02,0:17:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had seen my work and knew who I was.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.55,0:17:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the years prior, there had always been the lingering question
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.72,0:17:54.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of whether I might return to the Netherlands.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.48,0:18:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you ask me what the prize represented for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.04,0:18:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say it was the moment I felt
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.83,0:18:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had become a part of the art scene in Brussels.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.10,0:18:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was Jacques ’t Kindt who said,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.83,0:18:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“You know what, Jean-Marie? You should submit a portfolio \Nfor the Young Belgian Painting Prize. I think you stand a chance.”
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.75,0:18:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you see your own name at Bozar,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.93,0:18:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place you have been visiting for exhibitions for over ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.14,0:18:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it certainly has an impact.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.99,0:18:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jan Hoet was among the supporting members listed there.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.56,0:18:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Afterwards, the work was shown in Confrontatie en Confrontaties.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.100,0:18:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He later exhibited my work alongside artists
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.51,0:18:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as Luc Tuymans in Cagnes-sur-Mer.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.62,0:19:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, in terms of institutions, that truly served as a springboard.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.55,0:19:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me that prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.40,0:19:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of visibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.91,0:19:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it marked the beginning of my career as an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.53,0:19:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was really the start.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.29,0:19:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I did not won the prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.64,0:19:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never win prizes.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.04,0:19:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.100,0:19:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The work that received the most attention there, I believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.71,0:19:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was Ruurlo, Bocurloscheweg 1910,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.19,0:19:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a short video animation in fact, a very minimal animation,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.24,0:19:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a subtle intervention on an archival image I had found.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.40,0:19:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In retrospect, years later,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.35,0:19:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often wondered about that piece
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.00,0:19:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which eventually ended up in the collection of M HKA
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.80,0:19:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether I had even the slightest inkling,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.51,0:19:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any awareness at all,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.48,0:20:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would dedicate the rest of my life
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.52,0:20:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to making such films.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.59,0:20:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t think so.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.76,0:20:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I did know at the time that I had hit a personal sweet spot.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.92,0:20:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a young artist, you don’t need much.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.55,0:20:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few people who connect with your work.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.96,0:20:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some press that finds it strange, but somehow still understands it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.33,0:20:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few encouraging pats on the back and the feeling that maybe,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.09,0:20:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just maybe, you could break through
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.20,0:20:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you could keep going.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.64,0:20:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I participated in the Young Belgian Painting Prize three times.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.44,0:20:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My first entry was with three canvases, painted in acrylic.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.05,0:20:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second time,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.60,0:20:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I submitted drawings bundled together like a book.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.83,0:20:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, I need to be careful
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.99,0:21:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imagine they open it and the pages get mixed up.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.75,0:21:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That absolutely had to be avoided,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.39,0:21:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I wrapped it up securely.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.98,0:21:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, “Look, this is my work,”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.15,0:21:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and placed it on a chair, somewhat on the side,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.90,0:21:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember that clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.59,0:21:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later, I heard from a jury member
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.46,0:21:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they had not found my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.69,0:21:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had one form left over and had said,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.92,0:21:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Well, his work isn’t here. Where is it?”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.32,0:21:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Until they opened the package that was lying on the chair,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.24,0:21:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrapped in brown paper and sealed tightly
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.71,0:21:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they ended up giving me a distinction.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.98,0:21:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the second time.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.87,0:21:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third time, I participated with two works,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.27,0:21:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of which consisted of twelve frames
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.95,0:21:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an objet trouvé.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.13,0:21:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That work earned me a laureate selection.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.90,0:21:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sold it to Galerie MTL,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.01,0:21:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was a great support to me
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.00,0:21:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was planning to give me an exhibition.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.60,0:22:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that never happened because the gallery closed down.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.68,0:22:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when I won the Young Belgian Painting Prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.94,0:22:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, there were all these people
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.45,0:22:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including my father
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.28,0:22:09.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said, “This is fantastic. You could do this for the rest of your life.”
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.54,0:22:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at that moment, I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.67,0:22:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“There’s no way I’m going to do this for the rest of my life.”
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.58,0:22:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I introduced a kind of dialectic:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.64,0:22:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thesis, antithesis, synthesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.09,0:22:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then that synthesis becomes a new thesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.06,0:22:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that way, I’ve created over 30 different series
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.68,0:22:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last 40 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.27,0:22:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all titled The Chromosomic Memory.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.22,0:22:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are all related.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.68,0:22:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s like one giant book,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.18,0:22:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but constantly evolving.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.94,0:22:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember Madame Langui
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.95,0:22:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the Langui Prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.67,0:22:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The story I was told is that she came into the room,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.48,0:22:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw my work, and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.51,0:22:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“That’s going to be the prize.”
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.35,0:22:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they said,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.03,0:22:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Alright, we’ll keep that in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.18,0:22:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we prefer something else, we can always change.”
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.55,0:22:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they never put it into question.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.91,0:22:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was decided in the first moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.72,0:22:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, once you win the prize,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.17,0:22:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you meet all sorts of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.29,0:23:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I certainly met Flor Bex, who was a great fan of my work
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.10,0:23:08.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bought a lot of pictures for M HKA
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.81,0:23:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose the first thing that happened
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.26,0:23:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once we were selected for the prize was
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.82,0:23:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the selected artists were brought in to see the exhibition space.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.70,0:23:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I immediately noticed people looking at certain spaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.66,0:23:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because most of my work revolves around writing,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.12,0:23:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually I don't really like exhibition spaces very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.46,0:23:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My immediate reaction to this idea of claiming a space
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.77,0:23:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was actually to get away.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.13,0:23:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I saw the Salle Le Boeuf,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.16,0:23:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, “Oh my God, this is the perfect place.”
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.89,0:23:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can be between between Samuel Beckett’s Quad
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.27,0:23:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Opening Night by John Cassavetes.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.09,0:23:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I had those three elements in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.42,0:23:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was also an important moment in my work
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.78,0:23:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the bridge from
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.10,0:24:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having a performance-based practice, because
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.64,0:24:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since then I have been doing a great deal of performance work.