1 00:00:00,776 --> 00:00:02,973 At the time, in 2013, 2 00:00:03,175 --> 00:00:05,644 I was studying in Austria, in Vienna, at the Academy of Fine Arts. 3 00:00:06,307 --> 00:00:07,722 I was regularly returning to Belgium. 4 00:00:07,722 --> 00:00:12,936 It had only been a year or two since I had started to present my work there, 5 00:00:12,936 --> 00:00:17,165 and I had just begun making connections with a few curators and figures in the art world. 6 00:00:17,165 --> 00:00:19,773 However, my work was still relatively unknown in Belgium. 7 00:00:19,773 --> 00:00:25,022 This opportunity therefore presented itself as the ideal occasion to showcase what I was doing. 8 00:00:25,022 --> 00:00:28,590 What particularly appealed to me was that the selection process was based on the submission of a portfolio. 9 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:30,996 It wasn't about personal connections or informal networking; 10 00:00:30,996 --> 00:00:35,013 I didn’t have to actively seek people out. Instead, I could simply submit a file containing my work, 11 00:00:35,013 --> 00:00:39,218 and the decision would be made solely on the basis of its content whether the jury found it compelling or not. 12 00:00:40,011 --> 00:00:45,047 The proposal I submitted involved constructing a wall 13 00:00:45,047 --> 00:00:46,537 that would span across all of the exhibition spaces. 14 00:00:46,537 --> 00:00:50,240 The idea was to negotiate with the other artists so that we would all engage with this wall in some way. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,551 I also proposed that we share the prize money equally among the four selected artists. 16 00:00:53,551 --> 00:00:56,336 This way, each of us could walk away with roughly €1,000 17 00:00:56,336 --> 00:00:59,399 which seemed like a fair and appealing deal. 18 00:00:59,909 --> 00:01:01,223 However, 19 00:01:02,633 --> 00:01:08,690 as the discussions with each of the participating artists progressed, it gradually became clear that my proposal was leading to a dead end. 20 00:01:08,690 --> 00:01:14,420 In the end, the work I presented reflected that very impasse it became a narrative of failed negotiations and the limits of collaboration. 21 00:01:15,571 --> 00:01:22,062 The Young Belgian Painting Prize represents a particularly significant period in my life. 22 00:01:22,062 --> 00:01:25,081 Ever since childhood, I had dreamed of becoming an artist. 23 00:01:25,081 --> 00:01:29,829 I imagined it as a wondrous world filled with creativity and meaning. I worked relentlessly to reach that vision. 24 00:01:29,829 --> 00:01:34,412 And then, almost like a newly hatched bird, something opened up — suddenly, unexpectedly. 25 00:01:34,412 --> 00:01:38,437 I must have been around 27 or 28 years old when everything seemed to unfold at once. 26 00:01:38,437 --> 00:01:44,580 I recall that time as a period of three or four years that felt intensely exhilarating. 27 00:01:45,790 --> 00:01:49,187 It was as if something deep within me had finally come to the surface. 28 00:01:49,187 --> 00:01:53,147 But I also remember being at the FIAC art fair in Paris, standing in the midst of it all, and realizing with a strange clarity: 29 00:01:53,147 --> 00:01:54,440 this is not my world. 30 00:01:54,622 --> 00:01:58,642 The world I had dreamed of was not the world I was now confronting 31 00:01:58,642 --> 00:02:00,433 the world of objects, of commodified art. 32 00:02:00,433 --> 00:02:04,221 The reality of the art market made me feel deeply uneasy. 33 00:02:04,221 --> 00:02:06,706 It was a space in which I could not fully find myself. 34 00:02:06,706 --> 00:02:12,925 And so, I would describe the Young Belgian Painting Prize as a kind of enchanted parenthesis 35 00:02:12,925 --> 00:02:19,143 a moment in time when everything emerged all at once, almost as if by magic. 36 00:02:19,143 --> 00:02:22,297 But in hindsight, it may also have marked the beginning of a different life altogether. 37 00:02:22,541 --> 00:02:23,984 The year I participated 38 00:02:23,984 --> 00:02:26,447 if I recall correctly, that must have been in 2005 39 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:28,298 I remember that 40 00:02:28,298 --> 00:02:31,102 Denicolai & Provoost 41 00:02:31,102 --> 00:02:33,694 were also among the selected artists that same year. 42 00:02:35,064 --> 00:02:38,894 Their proposal struck me as particularly relevant, 43 00:02:38,894 --> 00:02:41,913 as is often the case with their work. 44 00:02:43,708 --> 00:02:46,939 They suggested cancelling the competition altogether 45 00:02:46,939 --> 00:02:50,865 meaning, even before the exhibition began, 46 00:02:50,865 --> 00:02:54,246 they proposed that we not enter into rivalry with one another. 47 00:02:54,713 --> 00:03:01,573 It was a gesture that carried a certain disruptive potential. 48 00:03:01,573 --> 00:03:07,247 Reaching the stage of the Young Belgian Painting Prize already implies having gone through a significant selection process. 49 00:03:07,247 --> 00:03:09,245 But one might ask: is this final selection truly necessary? 50 00:03:09,245 --> 00:03:11,325 Whom does it ultimately serve? 51 00:03:11,325 --> 00:03:17,266 Their idea was to place all the prize money into a shared fund 52 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:19,611 and to distribute it equally among the participating artists. 53 00:03:20,604 --> 00:03:24,272 I was strongly in favour of this exception. 54 00:03:24,722 --> 00:03:27,995 However, I recall that one of the artists opposed the idea, 55 00:03:27,995 --> 00:03:30,028 and so we did not proceed with it. 56 00:03:30,028 --> 00:03:31,481 Nonetheless, 57 00:03:31,481 --> 00:03:34,623 as a reflection on what the future of the Young Belgian Art Prize could become, 58 00:03:34,623 --> 00:03:38,008 I believe this proposal represents an intriguing and meaningful path to consider. 59 00:03:38,806 --> 00:03:42,437 I first became aware of the BelgianArtPrize 60 00:03:42,437 --> 00:03:46,432 through the work that my friend Adrien Tirtiaux had presented there. 61 00:03:46,432 --> 00:03:49,869 His project inspired me to apply the following year, 62 00:03:50,471 --> 00:03:51,928 in 2014. 63 00:03:52,558 --> 00:03:54,472 At the time of my application, 64 00:03:54,472 --> 00:04:00,876 A Certain Amount of Clarity had just been finalized. 65 00:04:01,671 --> 00:04:03,663 I had the strong intuition 66 00:04:03,663 --> 00:04:05,997 that this film marked a turning point in my artistic practice. 67 00:04:05,997 --> 00:04:08,397 There is clearly a before and after to this work. 68 00:04:09,074 --> 00:04:16,363 Prior to it, I had not engaged with the digital revolution or the transformations taking place online. 69 00:04:16,363 --> 00:04:21,303 This was the first time I created a film composed entirely 70 00:04:21,303 --> 00:04:24,369 of found footage sourced from the Internet. 71 00:04:25,062 --> 00:04:26,869 For me, it was a significant work, 72 00:04:26,869 --> 00:04:29,621 and I was actively searching for a platform 73 00:04:29,621 --> 00:04:31,891 that could present it under the best possible conditions. 74 00:04:31,891 --> 00:04:35,067 The BelgianArtPrize offered exactly that: 75 00:04:35,067 --> 00:04:37,204 it provided the ideal context in which to screen the film at Bozar, 76 00:04:37,204 --> 00:04:39,532 in circumstances that fully respected the integrity of the piece. 77 00:04:40,793 --> 00:04:42,708 For the Young Belgian Painting Prize, 78 00:04:42,708 --> 00:04:45,441 which I was awarded in 1999, 79 00:04:45,441 --> 00:04:48,792 I chose to create a video installation 80 00:04:49,292 --> 00:04:52,867 filmed on-site at Bozar. 81 00:04:53,569 --> 00:04:57,259 The scene I filmed, titled Scène d’Attente, 82 00:04:57,259 --> 00:04:59,769 took place in the Henry Le Boeuf Hall 83 00:04:59,769 --> 00:05:04,403 the iconic concert venue where I felt particularly at home, 84 00:05:04,403 --> 00:05:07,405 as I come from a family of music lovers. 85 00:05:07,405 --> 00:05:10,051 It is a space I knew intimately. 86 00:05:10,975 --> 00:05:14,681 The work was conceived as an exploration of waiting: 87 00:05:15,011 --> 00:05:16,985 the moment when the audience enters, 88 00:05:16,985 --> 00:05:19,249 finds their seats, 89 00:05:19,249 --> 00:05:20,559 and the performance is about to begin. 90 00:05:20,559 --> 00:05:22,523 I wanted to focus on that suspended time 91 00:05:22,523 --> 00:05:25,239 and to create a kind of choreography of anticipation. 92 00:05:26,291 --> 00:05:32,208 This video was then exhibited in the exhibition spaces, 93 00:05:32,208 --> 00:05:36,778 on walls painted in a deep burgundy, echoing the color of the concert hall’s seats. 94 00:05:36,778 --> 00:05:40,273 To highlight specific moments from this choreography 95 00:05:40,273 --> 00:05:44,116 gestures of hands, expressions, iconic details 96 00:05:44,116 --> 00:05:47,226 I placed A4 sheets directly on the wall, 97 00:05:47,226 --> 00:05:50,263 pinning them up to draw attention 98 00:05:50,263 --> 00:05:52,720 to certain elements within the filmed scene. 99 00:05:53,361 --> 00:05:55,929 For me, the challenge lay 100 00:05:55,929 --> 00:06:00,901 in translating a work I had developed in my studio into the exhibition space 101 00:06:00,901 --> 00:06:05,969 an adaptation that, in the end, 102 00:06:05,969 --> 00:06:07,891 was only partially successful. 103 00:06:07,891 --> 00:06:11,871 In my studio, I had worked on a light blue floor, 104 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:14,013 but at Bozar, the space was different: 105 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:15,897 it had a wooden parquet floor, 106 00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:20,995 and instead of a traditional wall, there was a fabric-covered panel. 107 00:06:21,213 --> 00:06:22,624 I made adjustments accordingly, 108 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:27,353 but just fifteen minutes before I finished installing the work, 109 00:06:27,353 --> 00:06:28,250 the jury arrived. 110 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:30,958 They told me to hurry, and then added, “You’ve won.” 111 00:06:31,666 --> 00:06:33,832 It was a gratifying moment. 112 00:06:34,446 --> 00:06:36,988 That was back in 1985, forty years ago. 113 00:06:36,988 --> 00:06:39,024 The protocols at the time were different 114 00:06:39,024 --> 00:06:41,654 more flexible, more human, 115 00:06:41,654 --> 00:06:44,069 perhaps more spontaneous than those of today. 116 00:06:45,225 --> 00:06:47,698 When I applied, I wasn’t entirely sure what I was getting into. 117 00:06:47,698 --> 00:06:49,806 I had only just moved to Brussels a year earlier, 118 00:06:49,806 --> 00:06:51,971 and it was through conversations with friends 119 00:06:51,971 --> 00:06:54,123 that I learned the prize was considered important 120 00:06:54,123 --> 00:06:56,363 and that it was well worth applying, 121 00:06:56,363 --> 00:06:58,273 especially since there was also a painting award, 122 00:06:58,273 --> 00:07:00,021 which I had never had the chance to compete for before. 123 00:07:00,021 --> 00:07:03,114 The experience provided me with significant visibility. 124 00:07:03,114 --> 00:07:07,529 My work was exhibited at Bozar, 125 00:07:07,529 --> 00:07:11,079 allowing it to be seen by a wide audience. 126 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:16,997 Many artists and key figures from the art world 127 00:07:16,997 --> 00:07:18,887 discovered my work at that time, 128 00:07:18,887 --> 00:07:22,706 thanks to the recognition the prize carried. 129 00:07:24,788 --> 00:07:27,156 It was an opportunity I seized without hesitation, 130 00:07:27,156 --> 00:07:29,371 and it turned out to be an excellent one. 131 00:07:29,371 --> 00:07:34,088 In fact, it was a meaningful gateway for me into the Belgian art scene 132 00:07:34,088 --> 00:07:36,406 clearly a valuable point of entry. 133 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:43,308 I was invited to participate in the Young Belgian Painting Prize, 134 00:07:43,308 --> 00:07:45,725 although my practice focused on textiles. 135 00:07:46,142 --> 00:07:51,483 My textile work was rendered in primary colours 136 00:07:51,483 --> 00:07:56,917 red, black, white, blue, and yellow 137 00:07:56,917 --> 00:07:58,775 which are the only colours I use. 138 00:07:59,626 --> 00:08:05,236 When presenting to the jury, 139 00:08:05,236 --> 00:08:12,311 I explained that my work should be understood as painting, 140 00:08:12,311 --> 00:08:15,232 not as weaving, 141 00:08:15,232 --> 00:08:17,453 but as a black painting. 142 00:08:18,085 --> 00:08:20,539 After presenting, 143 00:08:20,719 --> 00:08:23,029 the jury deliberated. 144 00:08:24,093 --> 00:08:28,047 Later, I received a phone call informing me 145 00:08:28,047 --> 00:08:31,789 that I had been selected for the Young Belgian Painting Prize. 146 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,806 It felt like winning the lottery. 147 00:08:36,806 --> 00:08:41,548 I remember asking, “Are you sure it’s me?” 148 00:08:41,548 --> 00:08:47,142 Receiving the Young Belgian Painting Prize marked, for me, 149 00:08:47,142 --> 00:08:50,009 the beginning of a career 150 00:08:50,562 --> 00:08:52,941 a true departure point. 151 00:08:54,419 --> 00:08:58,230 A small anecdote that illustrates the context: 152 00:08:59,307 --> 00:09:04,238 I found out I had won the Young Belgian Painting Prize through a telegram. 153 00:09:04,713 --> 00:09:07,450 It was a deeply emotional moment. 154 00:09:08,597 --> 00:09:10,985 What made it even more unique was that, 155 00:09:11,792 --> 00:09:14,934 although my parents had always supported me, 156 00:09:15,150 --> 00:09:17,701 they never fully understood what I was doing. 157 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,884 At the time, my practice was quite conceptual, 158 00:09:20,884 --> 00:09:23,851 and for them, it didn’t really resemble what they considered art. 159 00:09:24,934 --> 00:09:27,550 They struggled to see me as an artist. 160 00:09:28,742 --> 00:09:32,351 But with the award came press coverage 161 00:09:33,247 --> 00:09:34,648 articles in the newspaper. 162 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:37,473 Suddenly, because it was printed in black and white, 163 00:09:37,473 --> 00:09:38,875 it gave them a sense of reassurance. 164 00:09:38,875 --> 00:09:42,232 I believe that, from that moment on, they truly saw me as an artist. 165 00:09:43,215 --> 00:09:46,748 More importantly, the prize allowed me to continue, 166 00:09:46,748 --> 00:09:49,673 and it reinforced my intuition 167 00:09:49,673 --> 00:09:57,548 that it wasn’t foolish to keep pursuing the path I had chosen. 168 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:03,468 Winning the BelgianArtPrize was important to me 169 00:10:03,468 --> 00:10:06,532 because it allowed me to change my professional situation. 170 00:10:06,532 --> 00:10:07,676 For the first time, 171 00:10:07,676 --> 00:10:10,653 I could legally and independently practise my work as an artist. 172 00:10:11,162 --> 00:10:13,937 It marked a real shift. 173 00:10:14,304 --> 00:10:19,637 The Crowet Prize enabled me suddenly to obtain a VAT status, 174 00:10:19,637 --> 00:10:21,464 allowing me to enter into a position 175 00:10:21,464 --> 00:10:24,862 which I wanted to enter in full transparency 176 00:10:24,862 --> 00:10:28,666 Another formative aspect of the experience 177 00:10:28,666 --> 00:10:33,280 was meeting the members of an independent jury 178 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,490 responsible for awarding the prize. 179 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:39,901 Without any direct personal stake, 180 00:10:39,901 --> 00:10:42,889 since the funding came from private sponsors, 181 00:10:42,889 --> 00:10:46,444 the jury, composed of professionals 182 00:10:46,444 --> 00:10:50,246 was free to determine how that money would be distributed. 183 00:10:50,813 --> 00:10:56,688 Engaging with individuals who were far more established in the art world 184 00:10:56,688 --> 00:11:01,805 gave me both confidence and a sense of legitimacy. 185 00:11:02,213 --> 00:11:06,938 Many of the artists selected that year are still, 186 00:11:06,938 --> 00:11:09,819 to this day, practitioners I hold in high regard. 187 00:11:11,054 --> 00:11:14,857 At that time, the Young Belgian Painting Prize was 188 00:11:14,857 --> 00:11:19,098 the only national-level award of its kind. 189 00:11:20,072 --> 00:11:22,504 It was widely regarded as the one prize 190 00:11:22,504 --> 00:11:24,415 every emerging artist had to participate in. 191 00:11:25,664 --> 00:11:28,448 For me, it was also one of the first opportunities 192 00:11:28,448 --> 00:11:30,573 to realise a project on a larger scale. 193 00:11:31,023 --> 00:11:34,823 Though it was prepared in a very small, dark studio with no daylight, 194 00:11:34,823 --> 00:11:37,607 the work was eventually built at Bozar 195 00:11:38,014 --> 00:11:41,965 with the help of my brother and using simple, household materials. 196 00:11:42,739 --> 00:11:45,173 I have fond memories of that installation period. 197 00:11:45,567 --> 00:11:50,389 It was the first time I created an expansive landscape, 198 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:51,640 a sort of diorama. 199 00:11:52,556 --> 00:11:54,739 It was a truly meaningful experience 200 00:11:54,739 --> 00:11:56,596 to be able to create something within such a context 201 00:11:56,596 --> 00:11:58,171 something that otherwise would never have existed. 202 00:11:59,137 --> 00:12:04,996 For me, Un Tour d’Horizon is a beautiful example 203 00:12:05,496 --> 00:12:08,603 of how things can come together in an unexpected and meaningful way. 204 00:12:08,657 --> 00:12:14,365 The title emerged during one of the meetings with the board members, 205 00:12:14,365 --> 00:12:16,837 when someone casually remarked: 206 00:12:16,886 --> 00:12:17,844 Something like 207 00:12:18,727 --> 00:12:23,794 “A real suspense. No mad exhibition. C’est un tour d’horizon.” 208 00:12:24,544 --> 00:12:25,855 That moment struck me. 209 00:12:26,296 --> 00:12:30,513 The notion of a horizon is so present and layered within the context of art. 210 00:12:31,522 --> 00:12:33,515 From there, the work began to take shape. 211 00:12:33,515 --> 00:12:36,113 I decided to create a performance 212 00:12:36,113 --> 00:12:40,056 involving six individuals, each contributing 213 00:12:40,056 --> 00:12:44,962 from their own unique character and sensibility. 214 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:48,881 The entire event 215 00:12:48,881 --> 00:12:51,510 unfolded behind closed doors, 216 00:12:51,510 --> 00:12:53,236 without my presence, 217 00:12:53,236 --> 00:12:55,022 and I had to relinquish control. 218 00:12:55,872 --> 00:12:58,536 This act of letting go generated an energy 219 00:12:58,536 --> 00:13:00,895 that produced its own kind of beauty. 220 00:13:01,652 --> 00:13:04,014 Interestingly, I never saw the actual image they created 221 00:13:04,014 --> 00:13:05,571 during the jury performance. 222 00:13:05,571 --> 00:13:07,324 It felt like a precious gift 223 00:13:07,324 --> 00:13:09,435 also because it could be shared with others. 224 00:13:10,049 --> 00:13:12,257 To my knowledge, I never actually won the prize. 225 00:13:12,457 --> 00:13:14,053 I was selected as one of the laureates, 226 00:13:14,053 --> 00:13:16,748 along with four other artists. 227 00:13:18,374 --> 00:13:21,190 That was in 1972. 228 00:13:21,827 --> 00:13:28,176 At the time, I was applying to the Higher Institute of Saint-Lucas in Brussels. 229 00:13:29,099 --> 00:13:33,718 I brought three slide series with me 230 00:13:33,718 --> 00:13:36,136 to support my application. 231 00:13:36,873 --> 00:13:41,832 The members of the jury were completely taken aback. 232 00:13:43,315 --> 00:13:45,332 A few months later, 233 00:13:45,332 --> 00:13:48,915 I submitted those same works to the Young Belgian Painting competition, 234 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:51,763 and to my surprise, I was named one of the laureates. 235 00:13:52,472 --> 00:13:54,662 The choice to select my work 236 00:13:54,662 --> 00:13:59,857 reflected not only the evolution of the artist, 237 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:03,106 but also the transformation of the prize itself. 238 00:14:03,772 --> 00:14:05,697 The two were interconnected. 239 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:10,098 After the events of May 1968, there was a general push toward 240 00:14:10,098 --> 00:14:11,886 more democratic structures, including in the art world. 241 00:14:12,781 --> 00:14:16,347 I can no longer recall the original prize amount awarded to the winner, 242 00:14:16,347 --> 00:14:18,922 but in the spirit of democratization, 243 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:23,473 the prize was divided into four parts 244 00:14:23,473 --> 00:14:30,346 perhaps even five, maybe enough to go out for a drink. 245 00:14:30,346 --> 00:14:32,192 But I can’t say for certain. 246 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,469 Our edition took place in 2015, 247 00:14:36,469 --> 00:14:39,818 but the edition before included Jasper Rigole, 248 00:14:39,818 --> 00:14:42,990 whom I knew because we frequented the same cinema in Ghent. 249 00:14:43,574 --> 00:14:45,986 Felicia Atkinson was also among the participants, 250 00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:48,915 and she had just released a vinyl record featuring my music. 251 00:14:49,257 --> 00:14:50,515 It felt like quite a coincidence 252 00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:52,524 that these two people were brought together in that exhibition. 253 00:14:52,524 --> 00:14:55,099 I was genuinely excited by the idea: 254 00:14:55,099 --> 00:14:58,832 if they had taken part, then perhaps I should try as well, 255 00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:01,490 even though at the time, I didn’t have much experience 256 00:15:01,490 --> 00:15:03,615 with installations or making exhibitions. 257 00:15:04,299 --> 00:15:08,186 I remember that drafting the proposal was a very exciting process. 258 00:15:08,186 --> 00:15:11,127 I still remember submitting it on the final day. 259 00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:14,577 When I arrived, I saw a large stack of submissions 260 00:15:14,577 --> 00:15:16,969 some even tied with ribbons 261 00:15:16,969 --> 00:15:18,665 as people crossed the street 262 00:15:18,665 --> 00:15:20,688 to deliver them to the Ravenstein gallery. 263 00:15:20,688 --> 00:15:25,442 It was striking to see how many people had applied. 264 00:15:26,402 --> 00:15:28,094 In the past, the award was called the Young Belgian Painting Prize. 265 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:32,542 At a certain point, it was renamed the BelgianArtPrize. 266 00:15:32,542 --> 00:15:35,177 Only then did I become eligible to participate, 267 00:15:35,177 --> 00:15:37,434 as I had previously been too old under the earlier regulations. 268 00:15:37,434 --> 00:15:39,564 The procedure had also changed. 269 00:15:39,564 --> 00:15:44,815 Initially, artists applied directly, but later it became an invitation-based process. 270 00:15:44,815 --> 00:15:47,304 One had to be nominated. 271 00:15:47,411 --> 00:15:48,858 I was placed on a shortlist 272 00:15:48,858 --> 00:15:51,186 and was asked to submit my portfolio. 273 00:15:51,703 --> 00:15:55,207 From that selection, four artists were chosen to create new work, 274 00:15:55,207 --> 00:16:00,311 which would then be exhibited at Bozar. 275 00:16:02,770 --> 00:16:05,728 One would receive the main prize, 276 00:16:05,728 --> 00:16:07,240 and another 277 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,788 myself, in this case 278 00:16:08,788 --> 00:16:11,051 would receive the Public Prize. 279 00:16:11,941 --> 00:16:16,291 I was truly honoured and very pleased. 280 00:16:16,982 --> 00:16:20,575 It meant a great deal, especially because the nominations 281 00:16:20,575 --> 00:16:23,391 came from professionals within the field. 282 00:16:23,391 --> 00:16:27,551 That kind of recognition shows that your work is valued by your peers. 283 00:16:28,169 --> 00:16:31,220 Of course, when you are invited to take part in something of this scale, 284 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:33,885 particularly in such beautiful spaces at Bozar, 285 00:16:33,885 --> 00:16:37,018 you feel a strong desire to present something meaningful. 286 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,901 Shortly before the exhibition, 287 00:16:39,901 --> 00:16:44,110 I had collaborated with a lace maker from Halle. 288 00:16:45,783 --> 00:16:48,772 I asked her if she would be interested in working together again 289 00:16:48,772 --> 00:16:51,700 to create The Gadget, the first atomic bomb 290 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:54,135 this time using a 3D lace technique. 291 00:16:56,085 --> 00:16:58,668 I had been discussing with Jan Mot 292 00:16:59,819 --> 00:17:03,612 where and how I could present my work, 293 00:17:03,612 --> 00:17:06,398 as I was still a very young artist at the time. 294 00:17:07,046 --> 00:17:11,297 Etienne Wynants, who was then working at De Witte Raaf, 295 00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:15,663 suggested that I consider applying for the BelgianArtPrize. 296 00:17:18,112 --> 00:17:20,112 I thought to myself, why not? 297 00:17:20,606 --> 00:17:22,342 So I submitted an application. 298 00:17:23,509 --> 00:17:28,625 The works I presented were actually my first cinematic portraits. 299 00:17:29,084 --> 00:17:33,215 They marked the beginning of a direction 300 00:17:33,215 --> 00:17:36,335 that I would continue to develop in the years that followed. 301 00:17:36,936 --> 00:17:40,547 The exhibition as part of the BelgianArtPrize 302 00:17:40,547 --> 00:17:42,633 was a turning point for me 303 00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:47,019 it was the first time I truly felt that a wide audience 304 00:17:47,019 --> 00:17:49,814 had seen my work and knew who I was. 305 00:17:50,546 --> 00:17:52,720 In the years prior, there had always been the lingering question 306 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,886 of whether I might return to the Netherlands. 307 00:17:55,481 --> 00:18:00,040 So if you ask me what the prize represented for me, 308 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,832 I would say it was the moment I felt 309 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:09,974 that I had become a part of the art scene in Brussels. 310 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,833 It was Jacques ’t Kindt who said, 311 00:18:13,833 --> 00:18:22,219 “You know what, Jean-Marie? You should submit a portfolio for the Young Belgian Painting Prize. I think you stand a chance.” 312 00:18:23,752 --> 00:18:28,929 When you see your own name at Bozar, 313 00:18:28,929 --> 00:18:34,143 a place you have been visiting for exhibitions for over ten years, 314 00:18:34,143 --> 00:18:35,827 it certainly has an impact. 315 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:42,829 Jan Hoet was among the supporting members listed there. 316 00:18:43,562 --> 00:18:47,996 Afterwards, the work was shown in Confrontatie en Confrontaties. 317 00:18:47,996 --> 00:18:51,512 He later exhibited my work alongside artists 318 00:18:51,512 --> 00:18:55,061 such as Luc Tuymans in Cagnes-sur-Mer. 319 00:18:55,620 --> 00:19:01,512 So yes, in terms of institutions, that truly served as a springboard. 320 00:19:02,554 --> 00:19:04,844 For me that prize, 321 00:19:06,404 --> 00:19:08,624 in terms of visibility, 322 00:19:08,914 --> 00:19:13,529 it marked the beginning of my career as an artist 323 00:19:13,529 --> 00:19:14,884 it was really the start. 324 00:19:16,292 --> 00:19:18,642 I know I did not won the prize. 325 00:19:18,642 --> 00:19:19,912 I never win prizes. 326 00:19:21,036 --> 00:19:22,586 But still. 327 00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:27,714 The work that received the most attention there, I believe, 328 00:19:27,714 --> 00:19:31,079 was Ruurlo, Bocurloscheweg 1910, 329 00:19:32,187 --> 00:19:37,239 a short video animation in fact, a very minimal animation, 330 00:19:37,239 --> 00:19:40,639 a subtle intervention on an archival image I had found. 331 00:19:42,397 --> 00:19:45,347 In retrospect, years later, 332 00:19:45,347 --> 00:19:49,005 I often wondered about that piece 333 00:19:49,005 --> 00:19:51,883 which eventually ended up in the collection of M HKA 334 00:19:51,802 --> 00:19:55,512 whether I had even the slightest inkling, 335 00:19:55,512 --> 00:19:57,476 any awareness at all, 336 00:19:57,476 --> 00:20:01,516 that I would dedicate the rest of my life 337 00:20:01,516 --> 00:20:03,760 to making such films. 338 00:20:04,593 --> 00:20:05,760 I don’t think so. 339 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,874 But I did know at the time that I had hit a personal sweet spot. 340 00:20:11,924 --> 00:20:13,699 As a young artist, you don’t need much. 341 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:17,459 A few people who connect with your work. 342 00:20:20,959 --> 00:20:25,981 Some press that finds it strange, but somehow still understands it. 343 00:20:27,334 --> 00:20:30,091 A few encouraging pats on the back and the feeling that maybe, 344 00:20:30,091 --> 00:20:32,197 just maybe, you could break through 345 00:20:32,197 --> 00:20:34,416 maybe you could keep going. 346 00:20:36,637 --> 00:20:39,082 I participated in the Young Belgian Painting Prize three times. 347 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,323 My first entry was with three canvases, painted in acrylic. 348 00:20:45,048 --> 00:20:46,603 The second time, 349 00:20:46,603 --> 00:20:50,810 I submitted drawings bundled together like a book. 350 00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:53,993 I thought, I need to be careful 351 00:20:53,993 --> 00:21:00,019 imagine they open it and the pages get mixed up. 352 00:21:00,752 --> 00:21:02,386 That absolutely had to be avoided, 353 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,086 so I wrapped it up securely. 354 00:21:04,978 --> 00:21:07,152 I said, “Look, this is my work,” 355 00:21:07,152 --> 00:21:09,896 and placed it on a chair, somewhat on the side, 356 00:21:09,896 --> 00:21:11,135 I remember that clearly. 357 00:21:11,593 --> 00:21:13,461 Later, I heard from a jury member 358 00:21:13,461 --> 00:21:15,693 that they had not found my work. 359 00:21:15,693 --> 00:21:17,919 They had one form left over and had said, 360 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:20,319 “Well, his work isn’t here. Where is it?” 361 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:23,236 Until they opened the package that was lying on the chair, 362 00:21:23,236 --> 00:21:26,714 wrapped in brown paper and sealed tightly 363 00:21:26,714 --> 00:21:28,977 and they ended up giving me a distinction. 364 00:21:28,977 --> 00:21:30,514 That was the second time. 365 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:35,267 The third time, I participated with two works, 366 00:21:35,267 --> 00:21:38,949 one of which consisted of twelve frames 367 00:21:38,949 --> 00:21:41,341 an objet trouvé. 368 00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:45,441 That work earned me a laureate selection. 369 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:49,920 I sold it to Galerie MTL, 370 00:21:51,012 --> 00:21:53,262 which was a great support to me 371 00:21:54,003 --> 00:21:56,596 and was planning to give me an exhibition. 372 00:21:56,596 --> 00:22:01,214 But that never happened because the gallery closed down. 373 00:22:02,681 --> 00:22:04,939 Well, when I won the Young Belgian Painting Prize, 374 00:22:04,939 --> 00:22:06,451 you know, there were all these people 375 00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:07,283 including my father 376 00:22:07,283 --> 00:22:09,997 who said, “This is fantastic. You could do this for the rest of your life.” 377 00:22:10,539 --> 00:22:11,672 And at that moment, I thought, 378 00:22:11,672 --> 00:22:13,355 “There’s no way I’m going to do this for the rest of my life.” 379 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:15,639 So I introduced a kind of dialectic: 380 00:22:15,639 --> 00:22:18,572 thesis, antithesis, synthesis. 381 00:22:19,089 --> 00:22:21,122 And then that synthesis becomes a new thesis. 382 00:22:22,063 --> 00:22:25,680 In that way, I’ve created over 30 different series 383 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,272 in the last 40 years, 384 00:22:27,272 --> 00:22:29,224 all titled The Chromosomic Memory. 385 00:22:30,218 --> 00:22:31,685 They are all related. 386 00:22:31,685 --> 00:22:33,182 It’s like one giant book, 387 00:22:33,182 --> 00:22:34,665 but constantly evolving. 388 00:22:34,945 --> 00:22:36,950 I remember Madame Langui 389 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:38,508 it was the Langui Prize. 390 00:22:38,668 --> 00:22:41,481 The story I was told is that she came into the room, 391 00:22:41,481 --> 00:22:42,512 saw my work, and said, 392 00:22:42,512 --> 00:22:43,329 “That’s going to be the prize.” 393 00:22:44,347 --> 00:22:45,026 And then they said, 394 00:22:45,026 --> 00:22:47,181 “Alright, we’ll keep that in mind. 395 00:22:47,181 --> 00:22:50,089 And if we prefer something else, we can always change.” 396 00:22:50,551 --> 00:22:53,907 And they never put it into question. 397 00:22:53,907 --> 00:22:55,874 It was decided in the first moment. 398 00:22:56,725 --> 00:22:58,167 You know, once you win the prize, 399 00:22:58,167 --> 00:22:59,850 you meet all sorts of people. 400 00:23:00,292 --> 00:23:04,099 I certainly met Flor Bex, who was a great fan of my work 401 00:23:04,099 --> 00:23:08,075 and bought a lot of pictures for M HKA 402 00:23:08,813 --> 00:23:11,264 I suppose the first thing that happened 403 00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:13,817 once we were selected for the prize was 404 00:23:13,817 --> 00:23:17,427 that the selected artists were brought in to see the exhibition space. 405 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:22,706 I immediately noticed people looking at certain spaces. 406 00:23:23,662 --> 00:23:27,796 Because most of my work revolves around writing, 407 00:23:28,123 --> 00:23:31,801 Actually I don't really like exhibition spaces very much. 408 00:23:33,456 --> 00:23:36,768 My immediate reaction to this idea of claiming a space 409 00:23:36,768 --> 00:23:37,691 was actually to get away. 410 00:23:39,129 --> 00:23:41,160 And when I saw the Salle Le Boeuf, 411 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,894 I thought, “Oh my God, this is the perfect place.” 412 00:23:43,894 --> 00:23:48,274 I can be between between Samuel Beckett’s Quad 413 00:23:48,274 --> 00:23:50,741 and Opening Night by John Cassavetes. 414 00:23:51,087 --> 00:23:53,887 So I had those three elements in mind. 415 00:23:54,419 --> 00:23:57,775 It was also an important moment in my work 416 00:23:57,775 --> 00:23:59,137 on the bridge from 417 00:24:02,103 --> 00:24:04,641 having a performance-based practice, because 418 00:24:04,641 --> 00:24:08,314 since then I have been doing a great deal of performance work.