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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.13,0:00:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ELEANOR ANTIN:\N—Yeah. Lean comfortably.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.00,0:00:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How you would do normally.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.12,0:00:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that’s better.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.88,0:00:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Legs up.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.48,0:00:12.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.52,0:00:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Steady, steady.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.48,0:00:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s perfect.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.28,0:00:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s so cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.00,0:00:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. That is great.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.76,0:00:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Last Days of Pompeii.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.12,0:00:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s certainly a photographic sequence.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.68,0:00:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s directing a whole host of actors.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.48,0:00:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s placed in another historical period.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.32,0:00:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It deals with art, theatricality, \Nand essentially it deals with
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.84,0:00:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I think is about our present day situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.44,0:00:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,—Stand, let’s see you stand, ok. Lean on him.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.24,0:00:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it’s so perfect don’t move yet \Nguys, we’re getting another one.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.88,0:00:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I looked at La Jolla.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.36,0:00:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The town was laid out on this incredible bay,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.88,0:00:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I looked at it and I \Nthought: “Oh, it’s like Pompeii.”
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.00,0:01:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s filled with these beautiful, \Naffluent people living the good life
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.24,0:01:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the brink of annihilation.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.00,0:01:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course California… we are anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.88,0:01:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The relationship between America,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.36,0:01:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as this great colonial power, and one \Nof the early great colonial powers,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.80,0:01:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rome, was extremely clear to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.80,0:01:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always work with people, and of \Ncourse I make use of people’s creativity
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.60,0:01:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their looks and the \Nway they handle themselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.82,0:01:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the way they speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.20,0:01:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, I’m really very definitive \Nabout what it is that I want.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.20,0:01:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m kind of a dictator.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.92,0:01:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,—You want to put the helmet on one more time?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.40,0:01:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to have good consultation on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.64,0:01:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like it both ways, I’m \Ngoing to shoot it both ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.36,0:01:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But do it like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.12,0:02:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hold this hand like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.88,0:02:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, now Mike, look, don’t forget your thumb.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.64,0:02:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Down with your thumb now. Don’t look.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.40,0:02:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go. Ok. Go for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.34,0:02:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.49,0:02:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.84,0:02:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.34,0:02:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.64,0:02:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perfect!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.37,0:02:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like that, I really like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.64,0:02:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was staged at my friend’s villa.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.32,0:02:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Rancho Santa Fe, California.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.08,0:02:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if anyone, I guess, is dancing on \Nthe edge of the brink of destruction,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.48,0:02:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I suppose it must be Rancho Santa Fe.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.08,0:02:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lately called the richest \Ncommunity in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.60,0:03:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ve got this sort of, I guess, \Nlove affair with the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.88,0:03:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was a kid, I wanted to \Nhave been an Ancient Greek.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.68,0:03:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we’re talking like five \Nyears old, six years old,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.24,0:03:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was fascinated with Greek mythology.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.64,0:03:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, and I was passionately \Nin love with the sculptures.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.00,0:03:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I’m from New York originally…
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.04,0:03:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Metropolitan Museum; all \Nthose pathetic broken people.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.84,0:03:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was sort of like a mausoleum of cripples.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.96,0:03:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was in high school, I used to \Nplay hooky and go to the Metropolitan.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.40,0:03:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Feel up, you know, Perseus \Nand all those poor fellows,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.36,0:03:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes the guard would catch me,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.24,0:03:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he’d say, “Don’t do that!”
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.00,0:03:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to play with paper \Ndolls all through my childhood.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.28,0:03:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I continued these long, complicated stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.48,0:03:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I must say that even much \Nlater, when I was in high school,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.18,0:03:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I no longer played with \Nthese, I still had them.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.60,0:03:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the days when I was very depressed,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.12,0:03:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’d come home, and I’d play with my paper dolls.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.28,0:04:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was almost like… I would call \Nit masturbating, or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.60,0:04:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was, like, humiliating.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.92,0:04:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was so important… it \Nlet out so much, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.44,0:04:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s a richness in that, that it can do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.56,0:04:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of make-believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.68,0:04:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which guess is why I returned to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.72,0:04:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even my big figures are, in a \Nsense, cut-out, only they’re bigger.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.56,0:04:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of my major passions \Nhas always been narrative.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.64,0:04:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I’ve always felt that narrative \Nis as much a human need as breathing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.80,0:04:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Constantly explaining ourselves and communicating
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.04,0:04:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of putting material together \Nthat in some way has aspects of story.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.32,0:04:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would define what I do, \Nessentially, as invent histories.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.64,0:04:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to have this fantasy when I was a kid
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.36,0:04:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would be this invisible person,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.04,0:05:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would be there when Keats was \Ndying, when Marlowe got killed,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.60,0:05:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Caravaggio was screwing \Nwith whoever he was screwing...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.48,0:05:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these things would be happening
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.56,0:05:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would be there, invisible,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.76,0:05:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nd I would know everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.52,0:05:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a very Faustian image, especially for a kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.12,0:05:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know where I got it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.28,0:05:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was this passion, \Nand it was always the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.16,0:05:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I seemed to identify with the self which was mine,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.12,0:05:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I literally decided on being \Nan actor when I decided that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.72,0:05:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I didn’t have this stuff of my \Nown, I could borrow other people’s.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.96,0:05:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s something which continued when \NI started working with persona,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.64,0:05:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was a very good way of dealing with \Na lot of political and social issues
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.60,0:05:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were of interest to me
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.56,0:05:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a young feminist, I was interested \Nin what would be my male self,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.64,0:05:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I figured, Oh, I’ll put hair on my face.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.04,0:05:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other possibility was a little bit difficult.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.40,0:06:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I put a beard on and discovered I was a king,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.08,0:06:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, whatever, he became my political self.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.88,0:06:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then my most glamorous, wonderful, woman-self,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.36,0:06:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those days, a ballerina, Antinova.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.16,0:06:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had taken some ballet \Nlessons a number of years before,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.32,0:06:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I really essentially \Ntaught myself from a book,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.00,0:06:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standing still with a chair, in \Nmy studio in front of a mirror.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.80,0:06:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always tend to see the funny sides of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.16,0:06:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s the richest experience, \Nis when it’s the laughter,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.20,0:06:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it’s the tears, together.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.88,0:06:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know that sounds very Jewish,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.24,0:06:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perhaps that’s part of \Nmy Jewish, it probably is.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.24,0:06:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kind of humor I was brought up with.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.24,0:07:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This, like, endless humor in my \Nfamily life, and at the same time, oy…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.88,0:07:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,100 Boots… somehow, it came to me in a dream.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.48,0:07:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There! Black boots! Big black boots.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.20,0:07:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got them at the Army-Navy Surplus, \Nthen I printed them up on postcards,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.80,0:07:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and over the course of, it turned out,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.92,0:07:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finally two-and-a-half years, \Nfifty-one cards were mailed out
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.44,0:07:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to about a thousand people around the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.76,0:07:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it is a piece that I saw \Nas a kind of pictorial novel,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.72,0:08:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was sent through the mails, \Ncame unannounced, unasked for,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.84,0:08:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it came in the middle of people’s lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.36,0:08:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this was the first one, \Nthat sort of set the stage:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.84,0:08:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘One Hundred Boots Facing the Sea.’
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.92,0:08:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next one, I think we \Nsent about three weeks later,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.72,0:08:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was ‘One hundred Boots Go To Church.’
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.68,0:08:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And an artist friend Allan \NSekula told me recently that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.52,0:08:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the reasons he loves this piece so much
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.32,0:08:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it’s old California \Nthat doesn’t exist anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.92,0:08:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The church is gone, some condo’s there; whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.84,0:08:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Solana Beach has become condo heaven.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.92,0:08:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, ‘One Hundred Boots Turn The Corner.”
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.24,0:08:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s some sot of angst going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.52,0:08:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were doing suburban, happy things.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.44,0:08:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then now, something’s happening:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.48,0:08:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘One Hundred Boots Trespass.’ First crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.40,0:08:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.04,0:09:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I climbed into the electric company \Npumps and stuck my boots there,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.16,0:09:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the sign, as you see, says “trespassing, \Nlittering, tampering forbidden by law.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.64,0:09:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three days later, I sent the \N‘One Hundred Boots On the Lamb.’
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.40,0:09:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is around the middle of the piece:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.40,0:09:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘One Hundred Boots On The Job.’
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.20,0:09:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that’s at Signal Hill, \Nwith the little oil derricks,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.88,0:09:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,near, in LA, in Long Beach.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.04,0:09:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, a few weeks later, \N‘One Hundred Boots Out of a Job.’
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.16,0:09:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the place where I shot this,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.64,0:09:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all these awful smokestacks and everything
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.80,0:09:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a place in Long Beach called Terminal Island.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.40,0:09:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then eventually, The Museum of \NModern Art asked me to do a show there,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.12,0:09:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, ‘well, I have to \Nfinish the, you know, the series,’
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.00,0:09:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said, ‘fine.’
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.40,0:09:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I shot the boots in New York as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.76,0:09:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the New York pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.00,0:10:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see the World Trade Center over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.68,0:10:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, after it was over, the last \Nday of their show, back in California,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.92,0:10:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mailed this one: ‘One \NHundred Boots Go On Vacation.’
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.84,0:10:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there you see their soles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.84,0:10:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a bad joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.20,0:10:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of my work is just downright \Noutrageous and funny, obviously.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.92,0:10:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in place, even that stuff that looks \Nlike the most obviously ridiculous,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.36,0:10:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is, I think, a relation to human \Nexperience that gives it more of a rich layer.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.48,0:10:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I adore the ballet in some ways, but \Nit is a totally ridiculous art form.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.64,0:10:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it is so stupid. I \Nlove it because it’s pathetic
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.48,0:10:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and set in its ways and it’s ridiculous \Nfor people to walk around on stilts.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.44,0:11:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s foolish and there’s something \Nbeautiful and sad about it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.44,0:11:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and very mournful in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.08,0:11:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I forgot which one of the male dancers \Nwas explaining ballet on television,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.80,0:11:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there’s a ballerina there,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.60,0:11:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he takes her by the crotch like this,\Nand holds her hand like this, and he says,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.72,0:12:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Some people, I don’t know what some \Npeople would call this, but I call it art.”
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.88,0:12:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, sexual- this sort of \Nsex and ballet are actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.72,0:12:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, very close, also in a \Nway that romanticism and sex are.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.04,0:12:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I’m obviously poking fun at that aspect of it.