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Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.84,0:00:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KIKI SMITH: There aren’t commemorative \Nsculptures for, for witches.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.60,0:00:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then I thought oh I wanted \Nto make these women on pyres.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.60,0:00:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their arms are out like, \Nlike Christ you know saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.72,0:00:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why have you forsaken me?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.04,0:00:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They should be in all these towns in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.08,0:00:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, so no one has \Nneeded it in their town yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.24,0:00:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but (LAUGHS), but, but you know I,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.56,0:00:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought I can have, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.08,0:00:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know I just make them anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.00,0:01:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Art is something that moves from \Nyour insides into the physical world,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.92,0:01:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the same time it is just \Na representation of your inside,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.66,0:01:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a different form.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.92,0:01:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, I think art is…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.48,0:01:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s just a way to think.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.76,0:01:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it’s like standing in the wind
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.64,0:01:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and letting it pull you where, \Nwhatever direction it wants to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.16,0:01:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know things start saying \Npay attention to this and make this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.88,0:01:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I think when I was in school
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.24,0:01:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very difficult for me to learn how to read.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.88,0:01:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I just had to learn from looking at things.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.04,0:01:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw a picture in the \NLouvre of Geneviève with the,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.12,0:01:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting with the uh, wolves and the lambs.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.04,0:01:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Geneviève’s like the savior of Paris.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.58,0:01:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I drew my friend, \NGeneviève as the Geneviève.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.72,0:01:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I cut up and made cartoons out of her.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.76,0:02:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I made sculptures afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.12,0:02:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First I made the Geneviève where \Nshe’s just standing next to a wolf.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.48,0:02:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I made RAPTURE where the \Nwoman’s walking out of the wolf.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.60,0:02:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s this sort of resurrection.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.20,0:02:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just have this inventory of images \Nand I can start mixing them up.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.76,0:02:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you make them like a kind of character.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.44,0:02:32.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They get to live again.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.72,0:02:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They get to have this life \Noutside of just one version.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.64,0:02:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have one standing Geneviève.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.12,0:02:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I just cut her up over and over and over,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.76,0:02:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reconfiguring it and sort \Nof smoothing the seams out.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.08,0:02:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This could have a little bit of heat going.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.64,0:02:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know just, just to smooth out slightly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.96,0:03:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of times I’d go into the molds
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.40,0:03:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just make papier-mâché sculptures
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.20,0:03:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you can cut them up really easily
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.68,0:03:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know put them back together.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.52,0:03:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wax is much more complicated \Nand then we spend you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.32,0:03:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,endless quantities of time trying to fix them. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.40,0:03:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be much faster in a way just to \Ncast another person and redo it, but it…
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.96,0:03:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know, it’s just funny to me to make \Nit all keep coming out of the same sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.76,0:03:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this I’ll make in aluminum
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.68,0:03:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they’ll go on this sort \Nof wood, wood crutches.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.88,0:03:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it will kind of lean back uh, \Nhe’ll lean back a bit like that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.20,0:03:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it will be on this \Nsort of floating in air.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.80,0:03:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me it’s something interesting \Nabout sculpture or something
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.12,0:04:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hovering off the ground, or having this,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.28,0:04:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a different relationship to the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.16,0:04:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be like that.\NSMITH: And how fast does this set up?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.12,0:04:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: About five minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.04,0:04:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SMITH: Oh that’s great.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.42,0:04:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SMITH: It’s going to become a, a dead witch under…
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.26,0:04:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh, a pile of wood. But uh, you know so
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.60,0:04:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I thought about the \Nwicked witch in the WIZARD OF OZ,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.80,0:04:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cause she’s under the house.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.40,0:04:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that I’m just under a \Nwood pile in the backyard.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.76,0:04:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was a kid, my father had \Nmy grandmother’s death mask.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.16,0:04:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She died like about twenty \Nyears before I was born.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.96,0:05:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then uh, when my father died,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.00,0:05:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my sister Bebe and I made a \Ndeath mask of his head and hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.48,0:05:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then uh, when my sister died,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.72,0:05:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I went back and I made a \Ndeath mask of her hands and head.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.47,0:05:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I have like three \Ngenerations of death masks.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.64,0:05:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s pretty good.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.71,0:05:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki VO: We were a little \Nbit like the Adams Family.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.64,0:05:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We lived in this big house and there was a gravestone with our name in front of the house.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.20,0:05:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know we had this enormous \Nsculpture in the back of the house.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.82,0:05:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki: And uh, you know we were really unpopular
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.48,0:05:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the kids would say I was a witch.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.60,0:05:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know we were really....
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.88,0:05:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my father had a beard and a Porsche
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.92,0:05:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were really like mortified,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.36,0:05:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,embarrassed you know that he had a car like that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.20,0:06:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and didn’t have, you know, \Na big Woody station wagon.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.51,0:06:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki VO: We made mostly paper models for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.20,0:06:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like thousands of tetrahedron \Nand octahedron flattened models.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.72,0:06:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we would sit and \Nput them together, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.04,0:06:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after school every day. In my family \Nthere was always a kind of morbidity.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.88,0:06:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father would always say \Nthat, that it’s Irish Catholic.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.52,0:06:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One whole part of our house was all uh,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.72,0:06:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my father’s parent’s clothing, \Nall from you know the late 1800’s…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.92,0:06:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and teeth you know, people’s dentures.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.72,0:06:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was all, you know, lots \Nof death, death everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.32,0:06:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I spent a couple \Nyears drawing dead animals....
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.68,0:06:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had this vision of, that I was \Nsupposed to make another Noah’s ark
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.28,0:06:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was of dead animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.52,0:07:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki VO: This was when my cat died.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.00,0:07:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made all these sort of Pietà,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.64,0:07:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of self-portrait Pietà \Nof me holding my dead cat.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.82,0:07:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I made like fifty billion \Nprints of dead animals
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.76,0:07:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think hmm, how come I \Nown all those prints still?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.48,0:07:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My big investment in my future.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.50,0:07:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki: Gorgeous, calm down…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.94,0:07:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–no you’re supposed \Nto come down you dumb bird!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.62,0:07:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.08,0:07:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just, I really love printmaking.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.16,0:07:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s just this scratch, scratchy,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.04,0:07:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scratchy motion that I like the best.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.02,0:07:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BILL: This blade is so warm it \Ndries this stuff right away.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.98,0:08:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BILL: If you were to understand \Nthat the way she works this,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.92,0:08:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is just normal because every \Nfiber of her body is about art.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.80,0:08:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She can’t do anything but what she does.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.52,0:08:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father taught us to trust our intuition.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.88,0:08:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know my mother would always \Nsay believe your intuition
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.76,0:08:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that always you get in trouble \Nwhen you don’t pay attention to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.36,0:08:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I don’t think in other aspects of \Nmy personal life or daily life I do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.44,0:08:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but always in my art I do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.76,0:08:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes I don’t like where my art is \Ngoing or something but I always know that …
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.40,0:08:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know and I always go like why \Ndo I have to be making these things,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.84,0:08:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it’s embarrassing or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.24,0:08:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I always trust that that’s what \Nis appropriate for me to be doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.24,0:08:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean for me, I’m just trying to \Nhave as many experiences as I can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.20,0:09:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in sort of playing in different forms.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.92,0:09:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love domestic life like, you know \Nlike cupboards and blankets and dishes.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.44,0:09:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the first blanket I made,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.40,0:09:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she was a witch with her consorts \Nof all her familiars, her animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.14,0:09:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki: And then I thought this could \Nbe another female image with animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.43,0:09:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I’m a big Virgin Mary fan.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.28,0:09:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Catholicism is all about storytelling.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.64,0:09:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know about reiterating \Nover and over and over again
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.84,0:09:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these sort of mythological stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.68,0:10:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dolls and things like that \Nare in the realm of fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.36,0:10:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ll carry them around and then
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.50,0:10:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ll break their leg off
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.48,0:10:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or their head gets knocked off or something,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.32,0:10:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but none of that is really seen in the end at all
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.12,0:10:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to me that’s really a \Nbig part about making it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.40,0:10:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This stuff makes me nervous.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.16,0:10:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause they’re so specific.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.36,0:10:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like a story, I don’t want to \Nbe so declarative like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.04,0:10:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know...I’d rather make something \Nthat’s very open-ended that like I,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.64,0:10:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can have a meaning to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.44,0:10:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then it also can have a meaning to somebody else can fill it up with their meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.73,0:10:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Off-camera: Ohhhh!!!\NKiki: Oh, it doesn’t matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.45,0:10:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi! How are you? Good! (OVERLAP)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.52,0:11:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no innate ability for \Ndoing things physically and stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.12,0:11:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I have to really learn and try to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.76,0:11:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, and to me that’s the pleasure in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.13,0:11:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a friend of mine’s son died,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.64,0:11:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I went to a Baptist funeral and \NI’d never been in a Baptist church.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.24,0:11:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all the women wore nurse’s uniforms.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.32,0:11:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the ushers.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.68,0:11:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they stood there with Kleenex boxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.14,0:11:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was so moving to me to see like god’s nurses,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.28,0:11:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know like these women \Nthere like just with Kleenex.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.08,0:11:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like it was so simple and so beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.68,0:11:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought about like, like saints,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.84,0:11:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like little saint sculptures \Nor something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.24,0:11:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kiki VO: I also to make each one unique.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.92,0:12:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more you manipulate it the \Nmore actual life you put into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.28,0:12:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think people don’t like it if you say
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.00,0:12:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don’t have any genetically \Ninnate ability for making things—
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.36,0:12:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they go, oh no, that’s not true—you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.52,0:12:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have this fantasy that artists are, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.10,0:12:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating or having this inspiration all the time
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.72,0:12:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so for me I think what \NI like about this is work.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.56,0:12:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know like ninety percent of \Nit is that you have to come here
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.84,0:12:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and file out your bad \Nmistakes and stuff like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.22,0:12:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or it gives you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.92,0:12:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this enormous freedom in just filing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.40,0:12:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and doing things like that for hours on end.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.40,0:12:46.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I always know what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.68,0:12:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never have, like I never \Nhave a moment in my life
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.00,0:12:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I don’t know what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.04,0:12:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always know there’s some filing to do, you know.