0:00:29.355,0:00:32.708 —CHRISTIAN MARCLAY: Testing, one, two, one, two. Can you hear me? 0:00:32.708,0:00:33.831 —MAN: Yes. 0:00:33.831,0:00:38.937 —MARCLAY: I'm soft-spoken. But it-- it [br]feels like it really bounces around, 0:00:38.937,0:00:40.740 so I hope you're happy with this sound. 0:00:50.898,0:00:56.455 I was experimenting with records, [br]melting them in my kitchen in the stove. 0:00:56.455,0:01:00.342 And uh, the fumes, I think, got to me. 0:01:06.420,0:01:11.700 That night, I went to sleep and I had [br]this dream that I ate a record because 0:01:11.700,0:01:16.260 I felt so nauseated. I thought, "Well, [br]maybe I could make a little video." 0:01:25.780,0:01:35.000 I enjoyed music as a physical experience. I used [br]to love going to clubs and hearing music very loud 0:01:35.000,0:01:38.866 that just would, you know, take over your body. 0:01:40.511,0:01:42.858 Now, I regret it because I'm like half-deaf. 0:01:42.989,0:01:49.886 But, um, I think there was something [br]fascinating about sound being objectified. 0:01:58.980,0:02:04.200 My influences for DJing really came [br]more from Musique concrète or John Cage. 0:02:05.000,0:02:09.440 So I was always interested [br]in the conceptual side of things. 0:02:09.440,0:02:15.000 In the 80s, I started a band called [br]The Bachelors Even. It was a duo and my 0:02:15.000,0:02:18.864 collaborator was a guitar player, Kurt Henry. 0:02:18.864,0:02:20.281 That's when I started using records. 0:02:21.039,0:02:29.079 I would record these skipping records and use cassettes [br]onstage as these background rhythmic loops. 0:02:29.079,0:02:35.813 We had a lot of destructive actions, actually, breaking [br]things for the sound, uh, that it would make. 0:02:41.280,0:02:47.640 A very liberating moment was punk rock. You know, [br]here were people performing without any training. 0:02:48.240,0:02:54.720 The combination of punk rock and performance [br]art really allowed me to get involved in music. 0:02:58.200,0:03:03.900 Everybody I was hanging out with were either [br]dancers, musicians, painters, sculptors, 0:03:03.900,0:03:09.600 performance artists in the East Village, just [br]being creative and collaborating very often. 0:03:14.760,0:03:19.200 I came to London with my wife. [br]We needed a change from New York. 0:03:23.340,0:03:29.880 Over the years, I've done many different things. [br]When I was a kid, I would always be collaging. 0:03:31.560,0:03:34.740 I'm still the same person, cutting and pasting. 0:03:36.540,0:03:41.760 My work is quite eclectic. If I'm [br]doing something new, I'm excited, 0:03:41.760,0:03:49.740 and I might work with a printer one day or with [br]film fragments that I collage or graphic scores. 0:03:51.420,0:03:58.380 I think it's important to make discovery through [br]the knowledge of other people. That's what I've 0:03:58.380,0:04:05.340 enjoyed about music all my life is it is a [br]collaborative effort. So the thread of my work 0:04:05.340,0:04:13.140 maybe is sound. But sound is such a wide subject, [br]so it allows me to work in many different media. 0:04:14.280,0:04:21.300 Video, because it includes sound and image, [br]is a good medium for me. Now, it's, of course, 0:04:21.300,0:04:28.200 very easy. You can film a video on your iPhone [br]and edit it on the phone and just send it around. 0:04:28.902,0:04:30.790 You hang this one and I'll hang this one? 0:04:30.892,0:04:31.699 I see, yea. 0:04:32.180,0:04:35.221 Otherwise they, ah the mobile goes... 0:04:35.221,0:04:37.740 The Snapchat project came about as a surprise. 0:04:39.600,0:04:43.020 For me, it was a chance to work [br]with contemporary technology. 0:04:46.620,0:04:51.420 I'm like really a low-tech person. I'm [br]not-- not very good with computers. 0:04:53.220,0:04:59.280 Because I don't use social media, I didn't know [br]what Snapchat was. So, I did a little research 0:04:59.280,0:05:06.120 and realized that three-and-a-half billion Snaps [br]are created every day and that just blew my mind. 0:05:08.940,0:05:14.853 I wanted to shift the focus so it wouldn't be on [br]the image but on the sound. 0:05:17.130,0:05:19.087 It seems more active today. 0:05:19.087,0:05:20.657 It's talking a lot to us today. 0:05:20.657,0:05:23.037 What I like is when they all go on together. 0:05:23.037,0:05:23.537 Yeah. 0:05:23.664,0:05:26.032 So that we really get this chorus effect. 0:05:26.234,0:05:26.734 Yeah. 0:05:26.936,0:05:29.873 Right now the library is just one Snap for each frequency, right? 0:05:29.873,0:05:31.873 We're going to have a thousand Snaps with each frequency 0:05:31.873,0:05:32.784 and it's going to make it feel a lot better. 0:05:33.376,0:05:36.828 The Snapchat engineers were amazing. 0:05:36.828,0:05:41.662 They developed these algorithms [br]allowing me to find what I was looking for. 0:05:42.859,0:05:45.668 People are going to have such a blast with this! 0:05:45.668,0:05:47.228 —I think so, yeah. 0:05:52.320,0:05:55.140 I ended up making five [br]different sound installations, 0:05:56.040,0:06:00.720 most of them interactive, from [br]Snapchats that were publicly posted. 0:06:02.400,0:06:06.780 The one that I spent the most time [br]working on was called "All Together." 0:06:10.380,0:06:14.760 As I would maybe make some 10 turntables, here, 0:06:14.760,0:06:20.580 I had 10 iPhones and I created [br]a four-minute mix of Snapchats. 0:06:21.639,0:06:26.439 For me, what was interesting is that [br]this is a new form of communication. 0:06:26.880,0:06:31.860 People are creating their own language using [br]image and sound, which for me, of course, 0:06:31.860,0:06:36.120 is interesting because it is about image. And [br]I've always been very interested in images, 0:06:36.120,0:06:40.260 even though sound is so important to my work. 0:06:48.240,0:06:54.900 Over the years, I've collaborated with many [br]musicians and always felt intimidated by 0:06:54.900,0:07:00.840 their incredible knowledge and years of [br]practice. But they were very encouraging 0:07:00.840,0:07:06.480 in the sense that they thought that my [br]way of doing things was interesting. 0:07:10.740,0:07:16.560 I can't read or write music traditionally, [br]uh, so I had to invent my own ways. 0:07:24.469,0:07:29.989 The more recent performance I've [br]done is called "Investigations." 0:07:30.360,0:07:35.400 It's a series of found photographs [br]which were cropped, and they show 0:07:35.400,0:07:42.480 the hands of different pianists. I wanted to [br]provide this to people who can read music. 0:07:43.500,0:07:51.060 The posture on the image has to be emulated. [br]So it's this overlap of different actions. 0:07:55.860,0:08:00.900 I like to use the potential [br]of images to create music. 0:08:09.840,0:08:16.020 I love onomatopoeias because they're words, [br]but at the same time, they're image. You can't 0:08:16.020,0:08:23.280 really separate the word from the image. [br]It's a very expressive way to draw a word. 0:08:28.980,0:08:31.740 A graphic score is really an open musical score. 0:08:32.760,0:08:38.460 My graphic scores can be fragments [br]from comic books or photographs. 0:08:39.360,0:08:47.100 I like the idea that an image can suggest [br]sound rather than a note on a staff line. 0:09:03.992,0:09:09.543 The choice of the performer is really important. [br]It's almost like selecting an instrument. 0:09:16.680,0:09:18.840 In order to work on that Manga scroll, 0:09:18.840,0:09:24.660 I bought a lot of Manga translated [br]into English and I cut them up. 0:09:26.760,0:09:29.220 —I think it's okay, yeah. 0:09:29.220,0:09:33.240 —I mean, I can put more if you'd like it more [br]transparent. But I think you can see it anyway. 0:09:33.240,0:09:34.320 —No, I think it's gonna work. 0:09:34.320,0:09:36.100 —All right, cool. 0:09:38.040,0:09:43.800 I never thought I would get interested in prints, [br]uh, and I've worked in different studios now. 0:09:44.700,0:09:48.000 I used to work at Graphicstudio in Tampa. And then, 0:09:48.000,0:09:50.820 when I moved to London, [br]the commute was a bit long. 0:09:56.400,0:10:00.240 I became aware of Manga comic [br]books traveling in Japan and 0:10:00.240,0:10:05.880 seeing everybody in the subway reading this [br]stuff. You know, it's such a popular thing. 0:10:08.880,0:10:14.040 The woodgrain has an expressionist [br]quality. I thought this would be 0:10:14.040,0:10:18.840 appropriate because the collage is made [br]out of fragments and is cut out and glued. 0:10:21.480,0:10:25.920 They're reminiscent of Edvard Munch's [br]"Scream," which has these concentric 0:10:25.920,0:10:29.640 lines that feel like the sound is [br]really coming out of the mouth. 0:10:33.854,0:10:38.367 The exhibition at Paula Cooper was [br]very much about this anxiety mood 0:10:38.367,0:10:41.777 that we're living in right now politically. 0:10:48.120,0:10:51.660 If you overlap 48 war movies on top of each other, 0:10:51.660,0:10:58.920 you end up with a cacophony and you can't quite [br]follow the narrative. It's not a pleasant video. 0:11:04.920,0:11:09.960 The sound becomes quite aggressive. [br]It's just a loop and it goes on 0:11:09.960,0:11:15.420 forever. And this tunnel vision, for [br]me, the video, is just a different 0:11:15.420,0:11:20.280 way to express the kind of frustration [br]that we're all experiencing right now. 0:11:40.620,0:11:47.820 I want to comment on the everyday life that [br]we're all living and the things that surround us. 0:11:49.800,0:11:53.700 When I first came to London, every [br]day was a visual feast just because 0:11:53.700,0:12:00.000 I was looking at things differently. [br]On my walk from the studio to home, 0:12:00.000,0:12:05.460 I take a lot of pictures, though I don't know [br]these days if my camera is better than my iPhone. 0:12:08.040,0:12:12.600 Recently, I've made animations with [br]some of these photographs of trash 0:12:12.600,0:12:14.530 that I would find on the street. 0:12:16.985,0:12:20.174 We showed the one with chewing gum in Times Square. 0:12:23.820,0:12:26.460 For me, it's just a form of note-taking. 0:12:29.160,0:12:35.160 It was nice to bring back to the street [br]what I had found on sidewalks in London. 0:12:40.246,0:12:46.204 I wanna just be a dilettante for the [br]rest of my life. Just be able to change. 0:12:48.876,0:12:54.014 The street can be a place of creativity [br]and the street can be the studio as well. 0:12:55.020,0:13:01.860 The power of visual culture and of sound works [br]on us in a very subliminal way. But it's there. 0:13:03.000,0:13:07.560 You never know when some idea's gonna [br]hit you. It can happen anywhere.