1 00:00:11,575 --> 00:00:12,800 MARK DION: I'm very much 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,394 an artist who gets a lot from things. 3 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:18,651 I really love the world of stuff. 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,400 I am constantly out there buying  things going to flea markets 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,674 and yard sales and junk stores 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,332 and I like to surround myself with  things that are inspirational. 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,320 Some artists paint, some sculpt, 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,320 some take photographs 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,320 and I shop 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,941 and that's what I do. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,580 Sometimes those things stay in the barn 12 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:43,960 and sometimes they enter into my every day life 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,129 and sometimes they become part  of a sculpture, an installation. 14 00:00:48,477 --> 00:00:51,040 I really identify with the mission of the museum 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,157 where you go to gain knowledge through things 16 00:00:55,249 --> 00:00:58,320 and I think that that's a mission that's  very close to what sculpture is about 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,920 and what installation is about 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,206 and what for me contemporary art is about. 19 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:10,520 I am not looking for the newest museum. 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,280 I am always looking for the oldest museum. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,800 I'm looking for museums that are very much  a kind of window into the past in a sense. 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,864 You really get an idea of what people thought  about the natural world at a particular time. 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,296 Their obsessions, their  sensibilities, their prejudices. 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,295 All of my ideas start here, with  writing and drawing and sketches, 25 00:01:43,225 --> 00:01:46,695 both conceptual and practical. 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,406 There are a lot of tools that the artist  has that the scientist doesn't have. 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:57,028 Humor, irony, metaphor these are the  sort of bread and butter of artists. 28 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,651 This work is about the introduction  of rats to Puffin Island, 29 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,265 which is an island off the coast of Wales, 30 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,240 as people started increasingly  to visit the island, 31 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,617 rats kind of tagged along 32 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,600 and soon the puffin colony was entirely destroyed. 33 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,978 Tar has been used as a kind of form of  punishment and retribution since the Middle Ages. 34 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,080 It's this sort of natural material  that has this history of a… 35 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,323 as a kind of expression of intolerance. 36 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,800 In the states, people used to tar  the bodies of pirates and convicts 37 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,120 who were executed so the corpses would  last longer to function as a warning. 38 00:03:28,910 --> 00:03:32,400 In the middle ages, boiling  tar was used to defend cities. 39 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,760 They threw it from the parapets 40 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:41,228 so there's all sorts of associations  with tar and of history of intolerance. 41 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:24,120 I'm not one of these artists who is spending a  lot of time imagining a better ecological future. 42 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,477 I'm more the kind of artist who is  holding up a mirror to the present. 43 00:04:29,593 --> 00:04:31,200 We're at this kind of moment in time where 44 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,096 we have a great test ahead of us 45 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,320 in terms of our relationship to the natural world. 46 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,077 If we pass the test, we get to keep the planet. 47 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,312 But I don't really see us doing a  very good job of that right now. 48 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,040 I'm not really interested in nature. 49 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,280 I'm interested in ideas about nature. 50 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,040 That's really what my work is  about, is examining those ideas– 51 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,721 where do they come from, what's  the historical groundwork for them? 52 00:05:01,767 --> 00:05:03,800 I think for myself and for a number of artists, 53 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,840 science really functions as our worldview. 54 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,880 I mean our relationship to  science is very much like 55 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,008 a Renaissance artists relationship to theology. 56 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,080 That's really what I see as the  primary job of contemporary art 57 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,222 is to function as a critical  foil to dominate culture. 58 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,495 We're now outside of Seattle  in protected watershed area 59 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,160 and this is where the tree is coming  from for the SEATTLE VIVARIUM. 60 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:39,421 It's a very large hemlock tree which fell  on the evening of February 8th, 1996. 61 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:45,680 In some way I want to  acknowledge the wonder of just 62 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,656 the vast complexity and diversity  within a natural system. 63 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:22,621 We'll have the real soil that  came from around the tree. 64 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,080 We'll have some of the mosses, some of the ferns, 65 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,560 some of the simple plants, lots of the fungi. 66 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,040 There's all kinds of other stuff in here of  course that's fallen from the forest canopy 67 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,720 and is trapped in here. 68 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,560 So we might have hemlock seeds, 69 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,632 or a whole variety of things  that are already in this moss. 70 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,920 On the tree is the basis of the next forest. 71 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,922 The tree supports a living biosystem within it. 72 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,600 There is an aspect of this piece  that is optimistic in a sense. 73 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,143 The tree is giving life through its death. 74 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 That's part of the excitement of piece: 75 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,388 once it's finished, it's just starting. 76 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,400 In a sense what I'm doing is, 77 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,620 I'm bringing a forgotten element of  the environment back into the city. 78 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:17,360 I'm taking something that would have  existed here a very long time ago 79 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,000 and I'm returning it to that site, 80 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,924 almost a kind of reminder. 81 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,320 In order to protect the tree  from the heat of days like this, 82 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,040 we need to build a shelter for it. 83 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,408 That's going to be one of our big jobs, 84 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,240 not only putting the tree in place today, 85 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,720 but also we have to build a structure  around is going to shield it from the sun 86 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,440 so we're not killing off all the communities  that this place is meant to foster. 87 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,120 When you're working on a project like this, 88 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,840 it's really like directing a film. 89 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,920 We worked with advisors, with soil scientists, 90 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,920 with biologists, and with architects. 91 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,324 So there's a huge team of people. 92 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,425 I want to see here how it's going to line up. 93 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,400 Once we get it down, we're not  going to ever move it again. 94 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,360 It has to fit the building perfectly so  it's really necessary that we get it right. 95 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,920 This is a piece that really  is in some way perverse. 96 00:09:51,811 --> 00:09:54,400 It really shows that despite  all of our technology, 97 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,600 despite all of our money, when  we destroy a natural system, 98 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,320 it's virtually impossible to get it back. 99 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,200 It's an incredibly interesting hybrid  space that we're putting this tree into, 100 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,840 which is something like a showroom, 101 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,120 something like a classroom, 102 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,982 and something like a laboratory. 103 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,840 It's really exciting to see the  culmination of five years of research, 104 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:28,018 planning, compromising, and finally  have some kind of triumph in a way. 105 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,751 I worked a lot on designing the building to  have a particular kind of forced perspective. 106 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,200 It's a triangular building and you  enter through the nose of the triangle, 107 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,840 the narrowest point. 108 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,920 When you walk through those doors, 109 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 you are in a very different kind of place– 110 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,000 a really fantastical place. 111 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,863 I wanted to have this Alice  through the rabbit hole effect. 112 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,480 I'm trying to motivate through  a sense of the marvelous, 113 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,257 through a sense of the wonderful. 114 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,640 This is not a natural space. 115 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,234 This is really a very particular  kind of garden that we're making. 116 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,840 We have this incredible apparatus  of a water catchment system, 117 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,108 and irrigation system, cooling systems, 118 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,452 panels to control the light levels. 119 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,289 The glass to replicate the color  spectrum that you have under the canopy. 120 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,949 We've really tried to highlight the  difficulty of replicating what nature can do. 121 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,984 A number of tiles have been produced  by local wildlife illustrators. 122 00:11:58,034 --> 00:12:06,877 On those tiles are the organisms that live  in on and around the tree, lovingly depicted. 123 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,092 Here are some of the early drawings. 124 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,960 There's also one of the schemes for  the rainwater harvesting system. 125 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,944 There are some of the tools that we  used in our collecting expeditions. 126 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,200 I wanted to make something that would  exist over a long period of time 127 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,080 that people could come to and they  could bring their children to, 128 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,800 and their children could bring their children to. 129 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,734 Every time you walk through the door, you are  experiencing something a little bit different. 130 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,675 That was really my goal in this piece,  to emphasize nature as a process. 131 00:12:47,860 --> 00:12:52,607 I really expect that you leave this place maybe  with more questions then when you come in. 132 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,960 One of the interesting things  about being part of the park 133 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:04,034 is that you know here there are  these amazing masters of sculpture. 134 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,301 That's a lot to live up to. 135 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,200 For me it's a little bit of  an intimidating situation, 136 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 but it also really did raise the bar for me 137 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,561 when I was thinking about  what I wanted to do here. 138 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,160 This is a work of art dealing  with a lot of the same issues, 139 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,222 but with a very different toolbox. 140 00:13:28,243 --> 00:13:33,067 Making a piece like this, it's like having  a kid this is a lifetime commitment. 141 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,560 It's a living artwork and we have  to be responsive to that dynamic. 142 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,164 It's exciting.