WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:18.900 36C3 preroll music 00:00:18.900 --> 00:00:24.582 Herald: Now we come to Bernhard Stoevesandt. "Science for future?". Your 00:00:24.582 --> 00:00:26.712 stage - your talk. Here we go. 00:00:26.712 --> 00:00:31.342 Applause 00:00:31.342 --> 00:00:36.100 Bernhad Stoevesandt: Thank you very much. OK. OK. This is not just my talk. This 00:00:36.100 --> 00:00:40.160 talk has a history. I have a coauthor, Martin Dörenkämper, who is a colleague of 00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:45.560 mine who could not come here, but - so, I will give this talk by myself, but we 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:51.830 worked together over the year on this talk because this talk has a history. And it's 00:00:51.830 --> 00:00:57.270 a bit of the history of Scientists for Future, which is an association of 00:00:57.270 --> 00:01:03.680 scientists that evolved this year, basically with the movement of those 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:09.299 students and pupils of Fridays for Future. And there were questions, you know, that 00:01:09.299 --> 00:01:16.460 they took to the street and said, hey, we want a future. We want that things change. 00:01:16.460 --> 00:01:21.820 And they demanded for politics to change. And this did not directly happen, but it 00:01:21.820 --> 00:01:26.719 was questioned, so some - well - professional politicians said, well, they 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:31.469 should leave it to the professionals. And that's the point where actually a lot of 00:01:31.469 --> 00:01:36.560 scientists and a lot of scientists I know, all where really mad at this because 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:43.270 they've been doing science and research for so many years. I mean, I don't know if 00:01:43.270 --> 00:01:50.159 you saw the presentations before, how much effort is being put into this, into this 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:57.659 research to make better and better, better models. And what I will show you, this 00:01:57.659 --> 00:02:03.299 presentation is about the results of the outcome of this and what this means and 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:08.220 still nothing changes. So they write papers, they write reports and, well, 00:02:08.220 --> 00:02:13.580 nothing happens. And so the only thing we could say was basically, hey, they are 00:02:13.580 --> 00:02:20.130 right. Things need to change. And that's why we got together and formed this 00:02:20.130 --> 00:02:27.130 association. So there's a charta on this, which says basically what we do is we go 00:02:27.130 --> 00:02:32.110 out and we try to inform people on the research, on the state of the art of the 00:02:32.110 --> 00:02:37.670 research and how things are currently. And that's why I'm here. So that's exactly 00:02:37.670 --> 00:02:43.130 what I'm doing here. So we go out to wherever and you can come to us and ask 00:02:43.130 --> 00:02:51.610 for presentations, for discussions to get informed on this topic, on what this 00:02:51.610 --> 00:02:58.820 climate change issue actually means. And this is the disclaimer now, I can tell you 00:02:58.820 --> 00:03:09.580 this is not a good mood talk, okay? So, yeah. Because the topic is very serious. 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:14.320 So it's a bit different than I usually do it, in the end it will look a little bit 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:18.510 better than in the beginning, but nevertheless. So where are we currently? 00:03:18.510 --> 00:03:25.820 So this is the current graph. This is all not research by myself. This is mainly 00:03:25.820 --> 00:03:32.960 from IPCC reports, and this is from the report from last year on the 1.5 degree 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:39.620 report, which was made - basically done, or, put together because in the Paris 00:03:39.620 --> 00:03:48.400 agreement in 2015, it was said, well, we, the world, or, the governments of the 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:56.520 world, want to keep the climate change - the temperature change - to well below 2 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.900 degrees, if possible, to 1.5 degrees, and the question was, hey, is this actually 00:04:00.900 --> 00:04:07.010 possible? Can we make that? What do we need to do to do this? And so there has 00:04:07.010 --> 00:04:12.459 been a lot of questions about this and a lot of research. A huge number of 00:04:12.459 --> 00:04:17.750 publications came out on this topic: "Hey, what does it mean to have a 1.5 degrees 00:04:17.750 --> 00:04:22.729 warmer earth?" "What does it mean to have a 2 degrees warmer earth?" and "Is this 00:04:22.729 --> 00:04:29.740 actually possible to limit climate change to these temperatures?" And this is the 00:04:29.740 --> 00:04:34.760 current state. I really love this graph because it contains a lot of different 00:04:34.760 --> 00:04:39.710 things. So what we are talking about. So we have a pre-industrial period that we 00:04:39.710 --> 00:04:47.099 use as a reference. So that's the period from 1850 to 1900 here. This is the 00:04:47.099 --> 00:04:51.840 reference period where we say, OK, this was pre-industrial temperature and 00:04:51.840 --> 00:04:57.689 everything afterwards, the changes from that are all referring to this. So 1.5 00:04:57.689 --> 00:05:05.409 degrees or so would be the difference from this period. And then, what climate does, 00:05:05.409 --> 00:05:10.430 it's not always constant. So every year, sometimes it's a bit warmer and sometimes 00:05:10.430 --> 00:05:14.839 a bit colder. So what you need to do is you need to average. This is quite 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:22.279 important, because, for example, there is this year of - where is it? here - 1998, 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:27.689 there was a very warm year. And afterwards, for a long period, there 00:05:27.689 --> 00:05:32.430 weren't so many warm years. And then there were some people saying: "Oh, yeah, look, 00:05:32.430 --> 00:05:37.331 the temperature does not change anymore, so everything's fine now". And this, of 00:05:37.331 --> 00:05:42.569 course, isn't true, because you have to look at average periods. So the red line, 00:05:42.569 --> 00:05:48.490 this is the so-called floating average. So you always average with the years and this 00:05:48.490 --> 00:05:54.469 gives us about the current temperature change. So this would be like a typical 00:05:54.469 --> 00:05:59.810 climate period with like 20 years. You usually look at 20 years. But the problem 00:05:59.810 --> 00:06:04.439 we have currently is, that the change was so drastic, that looking for 20 years, 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:10.379 then you would always have to go far back to periods when well, there was a big 00:06:10.379 --> 00:06:18.240 difference to today. So, the last changes in this report were taken from this 2006 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:25.289 to 2015 period. And the extrapolation from this was basically, that in 2017 we 00:06:25.289 --> 00:06:32.089 probably reached a 1 degree increase in temperature on a global scale. That's not 00:06:32.089 --> 00:06:37.060 always the same, and in different areas it might be warmer and in different it's 00:06:37.060 --> 00:06:46.019 colder, but that's the global increase. So. So this is where we are currently. So 00:06:46.019 --> 00:06:54.629 we have an increase from 280 parts per million in CO2 to about 410 ppm. This is 00:06:54.629 --> 00:06:59.729 changing. Its not constant, it's a bit going up and down but it's about 410 00:06:59.729 --> 00:07:05.150 in 2019. We have a strong increase in temperature globally, but the biggest 00:07:05.150 --> 00:07:11.640 increase is actually in the winter. It's in the Arctic. And there's a current 00:07:11.640 --> 00:07:19.550 antrophogenic CO2 surplus of about 40 gigatons per year. So 40 gigatons - what's 00:07:19.550 --> 00:07:23.759 that? That was actually current, this is already gone because we are now a bit 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:35.430 higher than that. But this was the average period from 2011 to 2017. OK. Now I go 00:07:35.430 --> 00:07:41.680 directly into this IPCC report from last year. That's 2018. In chapter 2, there's 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:47.639 this table. I love this table. This table contains a lot of climate science because 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:56.109 it goes into how much actually can we further emit to reach which temperature 00:07:56.109 --> 00:08:01.680 change. So this would be here the 1.5 degrees Celsius, this would be the 2 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.279 degrees Celsius. And then you have probabilities: how likely you can avoid 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:14.059 this, or is it going to come? So if you want to avoid it with a two sigma, that is 00:08:14.059 --> 00:08:27.499 like a 67% probability to go over 1.5 degrees, we have 420 gigatons to emit 00:08:27.499 --> 00:08:33.461 further additionally into the atmosphere. 420. As you remember, it's 40 gigatons per 00:08:33.461 --> 00:08:45.090 year. And this was I think from last year. So this refers to basically 2017. So it's 00:08:45.090 --> 00:08:51.630 already two years gone since then. And it has not decreased, but increased actually. 00:08:51.630 --> 00:08:55.680 And then there is a lot of difference, you know, if you go for a 50 percent chance, 00:08:55.680 --> 00:09:00.320 you can you can say, ok, it's a bit more we can emit. And if he goes, well, we just 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.630 want to have a one third chance, then we actually would have double the amount we 00:09:05.630 --> 00:09:13.110 could emit. For 2 degrees Celsius. This is far more, so it's more than 1000 gigatons 00:09:13.110 --> 00:09:20.320 of CO2 equivalents to emit. Now, there are, of course, a lot of uncertainties, 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:25.030 all kinds of uncertainties that go with that. And one is, for example, the so- 00:09:25.030 --> 00:09:35.770 called Earth System Feedback. The earth itself responds to this emission and also 00:09:35.770 --> 00:09:43.760 emits CO2 and also methane. And this has an also a long term impact. And then there 00:09:43.760 --> 00:09:50.810 are further uncertainties. And these are I mean, this has been also part in the 00:09:50.810 --> 00:09:55.840 previous talks that, of course, climate models do have uncertainties. 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:03.210 Nevertheless, if we take this into account and say, ok, we want to avoid 1.5 degrees 00:10:03.210 --> 00:10:10.500 Celsius increase in temperature with a 2/3 probability. That they call "likely" in 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:16.370 this report. So it's likely that we are not exceeding 1.5 degrees. We have 420 00:10:16.370 --> 00:10:23.340 gigatons surplus CO2 to emit into the atmosphere in total. 100 gigatons will be 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:31.480 more or less gobbled up by the earth response. This was in the report. Current 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:36.500 research shows that this is likely a bit too conservative. So it's probably more, 00:10:36.500 --> 00:10:45.290 but, well. OK. So our emission is about 40 gigatons, so the planned CO2 emissions by 00:10:45.290 --> 00:10:53.810 coal power plants that are running, was at that period 200 gigatons CO2. So they are 00:10:53.810 --> 00:11:01.470 built. They are running. 200 gigatons by that. And then we have 100 to 150 further 00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:08.200 gigatons for our planned coal power plants and those under construction. As we count 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:17.180 this together, we have already exceeded the 420 gigatons CO2. And this is, of 00:11:17.180 --> 00:11:20.320 course, one reason why these coal power plants have to be shut down. But they're, 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.760 of course, not the only source. They are only one source of CO2 emissions we have 00:11:26.760 --> 00:11:35.480 in the atmosphere. And to make this clear, what this means, this is what I go into 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:44.310 now. What does this mean? This difference from 1.5 degree to 2 degree, and that's 00:11:44.310 --> 00:11:52.060 been a lot of research on that. OK? Now, the first one is, for example, on the 00:11:52.060 --> 00:11:56.500 Arctic. I mean, there's been a lot of talks about ice bears and so on. But of 00:11:56.500 --> 00:12:03.100 course, this is not the only thing to care about. It is quite crucial that there is 00:12:03.100 --> 00:12:08.680 ice there also because the ice, we heard this before in the previous talks, that 00:12:08.680 --> 00:12:15.440 the ice reflects the sun and the less reflection is there, the more warmth is 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:22.160 being taken up by the earth again. So we have like a feedback system there. Also, 00:12:22.160 --> 00:12:26.600 of course, because of all the... It's not just the ice bear. There's like a whole 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:33.040 biosphere there. And this biosphere has to somehow survive. Now, the likeliness of an 00:12:33.040 --> 00:12:41.400 ice free Arctic is this graph here of comparing 1.5 degrees - this is this one, 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:44.610 or these two studies, these are two studies here, one with the dotted line and 00:12:44.610 --> 00:12:50.720 another one with the full line - and 2 degrees. And this is how likely it is in a 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:57.790 certain period of time that this happens. And so you can see, if we consider again 00:12:57.790 --> 00:13:05.890 that it's likely, it's about 45 years it takes for a 1.5 degrees Celsius increase 00:13:05.890 --> 00:13:11.960 that we have an ice free Arctic. So this is actually possible with this increase, 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:19.490 but it's like once every 45 years. If we go for a 2 degree increase, this one is 00:13:19.490 --> 00:13:25.910 every 10, or, even with the other study, it's more like once every five years that 00:13:25.910 --> 00:13:29.450 this is happening and this is quite frequent. And this, of course, causes 00:13:29.450 --> 00:13:35.810 quite some impact on everything that lives there. Now, this is ice and Arctic. 00:13:35.810 --> 00:13:39.230 There's not so many people living in the Arctic. So there's a lot of further 00:13:39.230 --> 00:13:45.180 studies that have been done. And this, for example, for Africa I will only ... 00:13:45.180 --> 00:13:52.500 because of limited time. I can do this talk for many hours, actually. I will only 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:58.400 go onto this example here. Extreme heat with record temperatures over close to 50 00:13:58.400 --> 00:14:06.860 degrees and actually even increasing that. That has been there in 2009, 2010 in the 00:14:06.860 --> 00:14:11.350 months from December to February in Africa. These are temperatures where 00:14:11.350 --> 00:14:20.930 people cannot be outside anymore at these temperatures. It's just too hot. And then 00:14:20.930 --> 00:14:24.800 it's showing these curves and these are probability density functions. So these 00:14:24.800 --> 00:14:31.930 curves show how often, like, each of these balconies, I don't know, boxes here are 00:14:31.930 --> 00:14:37.490 showing: How often does this happen? And so here we have "current", the current 00:14:37.490 --> 00:14:43.450 status, that is the temperature from 2006 to 2015. That's what they call current. So 00:14:43.450 --> 00:14:48.930 there is already this increase in temperature under these conditions. This 00:14:48.930 --> 00:14:57.540 happens every well, maybe twice every 100 years. If we go for 1.5 degrees increase, 00:14:57.540 --> 00:15:02.590 that's the blue line we can see: This is going to happen every more or less third 00:15:02.590 --> 00:15:10.490 year. If we go for 2 degrees, this is going to happen even more often. So this 00:15:10.490 --> 00:15:16.070 is for people living there, it's getting hard to live there. It's just the 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:24.720 temperature, only that. If we go for, for example, for Australia as an example, that 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:30.990 we have the same, it's always these curves, here are extreme warm 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:36.990 temperatures. Well, that's very easy. But in Australia, what's also important there, 00:15:36.990 --> 00:15:44.990 it's the temperature of the water, because of the corals that live there. And hot 00:15:44.990 --> 00:15:51.470 water leads to coral bleaching. So basically, the corals die. And this all, 00:15:51.470 --> 00:15:56.900 of course, as we've seen, the temperature is not every year the same. But there was 00:15:56.900 --> 00:16:02.400 this hot summer and an extreme coral bleaching here. Temperature situation here 00:16:02.400 --> 00:16:10.400 in the summer, in 2012, 2013. And how often does this happen? And we can already 00:16:10.400 --> 00:16:15.000 see here: This would be the natural. So this would be the pre-industrial curve 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:21.220 here, where this very warm temperatures hardly ever happen. While we can see here 00:16:21.220 --> 00:16:25.740 already: This would be every third year currently, it would be every second year 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:32.320 in a 1.5 degrees scenario and probably two of three years in a 2 degrees scenario. 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.660 And this means, well, what this means I would go into later. This is an example 00:16:36.660 --> 00:16:42.430 for Europe. well, how often things happen. I don't know if you do, but I always 00:16:42.430 --> 00:16:48.930 remember that one, because I well, I was a lot outside during that period. There was 00:16:48.930 --> 00:16:54.720 a very warm summer we had in 2003. And a lot of people died of that because of the 00:16:54.720 --> 00:17:02.460 heat. I remember being in Cologne at the time and laying outside at 40 degrees and 00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:08.429 I was ill and so I had 40 degrees. So outside 40 degrees was very warm. And so 00:17:08.429 --> 00:17:15.000 naturally, this can happen. It could happen like once every hundred years. 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:20.149 Currently we have like a situation, well, this would be like every 4th year. And 00:17:20.149 --> 00:17:27.720 this increases then to more than 59% of all the years at 2 degrees Celsius. So 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:34.891 we're gonna get hot summers. This is the prediction of this study here. Well, what 00:17:34.891 --> 00:17:43.320 does this mean? Well, now I go back to the IPCC reports and the IPCC reports are very 00:17:43.320 --> 00:17:50.360 diplomatic always. And so they have "reasons for concern". And we are all very 00:17:50.360 --> 00:17:55.680 concerned. This sounds very nice, but of course, there's some background to this. 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:01.790 So they have. And in the summary of this IPCC report from 2018 are there five 00:18:01.790 --> 00:18:07.930 reasons for concern. That's one: unique and threatened systems like corals, or 00:18:07.930 --> 00:18:13.270 extreme weather events. And you can see that does make quite a difference from 00:18:13.270 --> 00:18:19.830 now. And going to warmer temperatures, up here we have the 2 degrees. So you can see 00:18:19.830 --> 00:18:25.480 between 1.5 degrees and 2 degrees: That does make quite a difference. Distribution 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:34.400 of impacts. Basically, this means that those, who suffer most, have contributed 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:41.370 less. And that's, of course, bad because those who contributed most, well, don't 00:18:41.370 --> 00:18:47.740 suffer as much. And then they won't change. And that's a problem. That's why 00:18:47.740 --> 00:18:54.530 they're concerned on this one. Global aggregate impacts is basically money 00:18:54.530 --> 00:19:03.920 impact. So how much does this cost in the end to to cope with the outcome of this? 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:12.660 And well, it costs billions of dollars in the end to have a difference between 1.5 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:19.480 and 2 degrees. Every year, just to cope with the impacts. And then we have large 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:24.470 scale singular events that could be something like de-icing of Greenland or 00:19:24.470 --> 00:19:29.020 something like that. Well, when that's gone, it's just a singular event because 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:36.755 it's gone. This is very abstract. So they get a bit closer to that. So warm water 00:19:36.755 --> 00:19:42.070 corals is basically they are having already a problem. Well, I will show this 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:47.960 later. Well, they expect about 90 percent will die off at 1.5 degrees. Well, they 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:54.220 will die out at 2 degrees. Most likely. Certain. And this is of course, this is 00:19:54.220 --> 00:20:01.140 a... Well, it's important for nourishment and for people who live from the sea, from 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:07.750 whatever they fished out of the sea, because corals that's like the childhood 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:17.029 bed of a lot of fish. So we do get quite an impact in the end on fishery. This is 00:20:17.029 --> 00:20:22.280 why this is so red. Mangroves also get an impact on that, there is about the same 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:28.620 story. So a lot of small fish grow up there. Well, the Arctic region is getting 00:20:28.620 --> 00:20:34.520 increasing problems with the ice. Well, these are all kind. I will go into this 00:20:34.520 --> 00:20:42.240 later. Coastal flooding will increase from 1.5 to 2 degrees. This is, well, flooding 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:49.590 and rivers and so on. Well, and we'll get some more heat related morbidity. Now, 00:20:49.590 --> 00:20:59.110 there's been a new report this year on land use. And this has been even more into 00:20:59.110 --> 00:21:06.870 this. Now, different scale. Please watch that. So the scale here, it's going up to 00:21:06.870 --> 00:21:15.370 five degrees. And if you look for that, yeah, so it's a bit different. So the 00:21:15.370 --> 00:21:21.559 lower ones, 1.5 and 2 degrees are in there. But problems they see is a dryland 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:28.429 scarcity and water scarcity in drylands. So that's desertification, a lot 00:21:28.429 --> 00:21:35.360 of that. Soil erosion, which is related to that, vegetation loss is also related to 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:44.240 that. Yeah, I will come to this later. The wildfire damage, we can see that already 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:51.020 today. I mean, in the news every time. Now it's Australia and Chile. But before it 00:21:51.020 --> 00:21:57.360 was was more California and so on. So this will go on. This is no coincidence that 00:21:57.360 --> 00:22:04.390 this is happening. We have permafrost degradation. We have a tropical crop yield 00:22:04.390 --> 00:22:09.800 decline. Crop yield is of course... That hurts because well, this leads, of course, 00:22:09.800 --> 00:22:14.570 in the end to food instabilities. And we can see, it does make quite a difference 00:22:14.570 --> 00:22:19.930 already between 1.5 and 2 degrees. But of course, it can get worse. And they... Also 00:22:19.930 --> 00:22:25.010 they are more specific on that, what they mean with this. For example, in wildfire 00:22:25.010 --> 00:22:32.720 damage, they expect an increase in fire weather season currently, over 50% 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:40.710 increase in the Mediterranean area if it gets above 2 degrees and well, if we go to 00:22:40.710 --> 00:22:47.230 4 or 5 degrees, well, they expect, well, hundreds of million at least, or over 100 00:22:47.230 --> 00:22:53.610 million people additionally exposed. In terms of food supply instabilities: Well, 00:22:53.610 --> 00:22:59.510 what we already see is, well, we have like spikes in the food price. This is not so 00:22:59.510 --> 00:23:04.160 important for us usually. But of course, for people in the world that don't have 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:12.370 much money and we still have almost it's not quite 1 billion people in the world, 00:23:12.370 --> 00:23:19.490 that live off less than 2$ a day. For such people, this is, of course, quite 00:23:19.490 --> 00:23:28.160 important. If we go closer to 2 degrees, they do expect periodic food shocks across 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:33.390 regions. So basically that. There will be situations where there will be no food 00:23:33.390 --> 00:23:41.110 available anymore. If we go up to four or five degrees, this would lead to sustained 00:23:41.110 --> 00:23:53.320 food supply distribution problems on a global scale. So this depends on of what 00:23:53.320 --> 00:23:58.059 kind of scenario we are calculating. I will go into this later. One additional 00:23:58.059 --> 00:24:07.250 thing is also to think off on that, we are not only talking about the temperature. 00:24:07.250 --> 00:24:12.931 Also, the water of the oceans take up the CO2, they take up a lot of the CO2, that we 00:24:12.931 --> 00:24:22.990 blow into the air. And this leads to an acidification. And so the pH value of the 00:24:22.990 --> 00:24:30.890 oceans, they decrease and this has an impact on a lot of animals that build up 00:24:30.890 --> 00:24:38.870 calcium carbonate, so shells basically. So all kinds of bi-valves, all kinds of like 00:24:38.870 --> 00:24:45.790 cancers and all that, they depend on building up this calcium carbonate. And if 00:24:45.790 --> 00:24:49.380 they're not able to do this anymore, of course, they don't grow anymore. And they 00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:57.380 are pretty much in the beginning of this food supply, a food chain and the oceans. 00:24:57.380 --> 00:25:05.160 Now, I was reading this 2018 report and somewhere there on page 223, I found them 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:11.300 this year, where they basically say, ok, we do have this impact and there is this 00:25:11.300 --> 00:25:17.880 aragonite saturation, which is well, basically that's the point, where this 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:26.010 build up for specific animals is not possible anymore, at this saturation 00:25:26.010 --> 00:25:31.302 point, because the chemical reaction does not work anymore. And this depends on the 00:25:31.302 --> 00:25:35.170 temperature, this depends on the pressure. And the higher the pressure is, the 00:25:35.170 --> 00:25:40.350 earlier this point is reached. Also, the colder the temperature is. And so this is 00:25:40.350 --> 00:25:45.000 what you can see on the right hand side. They investigated this mainly from the 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:54.500 polar regions on. And so that they... at this point, where this point will reach the 00:25:54.500 --> 00:26:01.030 surface of the ocean from 2030 onwards, so that they're all these animals on the 00:26:01.030 --> 00:26:06.390 surface of the ocean are not building in the polar regions, will have problems to 00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:11.520 build up, actually, their shells in. This has two different impacts, of course, one 00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:17.790 impact, they don't grow anymore. This has a big issue on the food chain in the 00:26:17.790 --> 00:26:23.840 oceans. The second impact is actually that these... This was a one off the carbon 00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:30.810 sinks. They took CO2 and with calcium, they build up these shells and they die 00:26:30.810 --> 00:26:36.690 off at some point and they sink to the ground. And well the CO2 is gone. Well, if 00:26:36.690 --> 00:26:41.240 this is not happening anymore, of course, this type of carbon sink does not work 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:49.170 anymore. Okay. Now, I've talked about... These are further, I will go skip through 00:26:49.170 --> 00:26:55.629 this quickly. These are all kinds of things that happen. So on this 1.5 degree 00:26:55.629 --> 00:27:01.730 report, they compared for a lot of regions, what will happen. So for 1.5 00:27:01.730 --> 00:27:10.740 degree warming or less, of 1.5 to 2 degrees and 2 to 3 degrees. And there's all kinds 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:15.080 of things. This is the big table in this report in chapter three. Read these 00:27:15.080 --> 00:27:18.430 reports. Please read these reports. They're good! And they're actually 00:27:18.430 --> 00:27:22.120 scientifically good. I mean, this in terms of if you do it. If you do science, it's 00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:28.020 really really good. Because they have so many so much literature and so many cross 00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:34.770 references and how they do it to be very sure to say, OK, this is what we can say 00:27:34.770 --> 00:27:43.080 with this certainty. This is very, very good science. I think at least. OK. So I 00:27:43.080 --> 00:27:48.530 will not go into all of this. But it has to all kinds of regions severe impacts 00:27:48.530 --> 00:27:55.970 like south east, for South East Asia, for example, they have, you know, this risk of 00:27:55.970 --> 00:28:01.590 increased flooding and they have increased precipitation events and, yes. And, well, 00:28:01.590 --> 00:28:05.320 I think the most significant of this is the significant risk of crop yield 00:28:05.320 --> 00:28:13.610 reductions, which is avoided, if we stay below 1.5 degrees. If we are not staying 00:28:13.610 --> 00:28:22.309 below 1.5 degrees, they estimate 1/3 decline in per capita per crop production 00:28:22.309 --> 00:28:32.790 per year, one third less food. That's not good! And if we go even higher, well, this 00:28:32.790 --> 00:28:40.190 is getting worse. For small islands, well, there's actually the small islands are 00:28:40.190 --> 00:28:44.030 well-known, of course, you know, there the sea level is rising, so they have a 00:28:44.030 --> 00:28:48.870 problem. And actually the main problem they have is not that just the water is 00:28:48.870 --> 00:28:56.630 going over the island, but that the salty water is rising and is intruding the fresh 00:28:56.630 --> 00:29:04.210 water reserves they have. So they get a problem with fresh water. And well, this 00:29:04.210 --> 00:29:10.910 is already a problem for them for 1.5 degrees, for two degrees, it's like a very 00:29:10.910 --> 00:29:16.430 severe problem. And that's why they are pushing pushing so much for the 1.5 00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:22.160 degrees change maximum. In the Mediterranean, this is very close to where 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:28.410 we are currently. So they expect a reduction of run-off water, so this is 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:36.380 rivers, of about 9 percent, it's very likely. Well there's range given, most of 00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:42.450 the time they have this. So there is already a risk of water deficits at 1.5 00:29:42.450 --> 00:29:49.991 degrees increase in temperature. If we increase further, we reach about... at up 00:29:49.991 --> 00:29:59.840 to 2 degrees, we have about 17% less water in the rivers. This is, of course, not 00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:06.280 good. I mean, I mean, especially I mean, okay, in Germany, for example, there's a 00:30:06.280 --> 00:30:15.010 lot of food coming from Spain. And well, they do already have a problem with their 00:30:15.010 --> 00:30:24.631 crops, with water for their crops. And this is getting worse. West Africa and 00:30:24.631 --> 00:30:31.299 Sahel. Well, there is a prediction. Well, there's a prediction of, well, less 00:30:31.299 --> 00:30:43.210 suitable land for maize production by 1.5 degrees already by 40% less land. 40%. 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:51.010 That's a lot. It's not the region where people already have a huge surplus in food 00:30:51.010 --> 00:30:59.120 everyday. So there is an increase in risk for undernutrition already. For 1.5 00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:06.330 degrees in. If we increase, well, this just getting absurd in a way, it says higher 00:31:06.330 --> 00:31:12.840 risk undernutrition, of course, because it's going to get worse. Apart from this, 00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:21.120 that it's too hot to go outside anyways. Well, for southern Africa, it's similar. 00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:26.010 It's not as drastic. So there is already the high risk for undernutrition in 00:31:26.010 --> 00:31:31.330 communities dependent on dryland especially. So savanna areas which are 00:31:31.330 --> 00:31:38.250 rather dry. And this is getting worse again. Well, in the tropics, also, there 00:31:38.250 --> 00:31:43.000 is a risk to tropical crop yields. We already heard that on the other side. On 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.860 the other side, it's also there, these extreme heat waves they're going to face. 00:31:47.860 --> 00:31:57.460 So this is like this was a table and there was a lot of, well, details of what they 00:31:57.460 --> 00:32:03.260 expect from 1.5 to 2 degrees. Now what scientists, scientists are a bit strange 00:32:03.260 --> 00:32:07.939 sometimes because they are also then doing their science and they look at different 00:32:07.939 --> 00:32:13.600 things. And one thing they are actually now worried about, and this is, actually 00:32:13.600 --> 00:32:20.080 it is worrisome, very worrisome, is that actually, well, climate change has been 00:32:20.080 --> 00:32:27.850 always there, because that's been like a cycle and this the so-called interglacial 00:32:27.850 --> 00:32:32.720 cycle the earth has been going through. This has to do with the position to the 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:38.200 sun and a lot of feedback systems that kick in. If you cool the earth, you have 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.210 more ice build up, then you have more sun being reflected again. You have less 00:32:43.210 --> 00:32:47.620 energy that stays on the surface of the earth and then it gets colder and colder 00:32:47.620 --> 00:32:51.829 and colder up to a certain point where this changes again and goes back. And this 00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:58.780 has been going on for hundreds of years. And the point is, now we've left the 00:32:58.780 --> 00:33:05.559 cycle. And this is the part that's shown up here, that basically we are now on a 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.880 completely different trajectory. And that's the trajectory that is we're 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.289 heating this up and the Earth is responding. And it's also heating itself 00:33:14.289 --> 00:33:21.080 up. And so we are on the path and it's not quite clear. So they built this. They show 00:33:21.080 --> 00:33:28.460 this, this graph here, there is actually the possibility that the earth will go on 00:33:28.460 --> 00:33:36.190 this path to heat itself up without us even. And this is called tipping points. 00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:40.710 So there are several things that happen there. That is, for example, the melting 00:33:40.710 --> 00:33:48.059 or thawing of the permafrost. There is methane hydrates in the ocean storage that 00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:56.360 might be triggered to evolve. There will be a reduction of CO2 intake in the 00:33:56.360 --> 00:34:01.580 oceans. Currently, a lot of CO2 is taken into the oceans, but this will get less 00:34:01.580 --> 00:34:10.089 and less. the more saturation comes in there. We have a die-off of rainforests. 00:34:10.089 --> 00:34:15.310 So. Well, last summer we've seen they have a lot of rainforest burning in the 00:34:15.310 --> 00:34:20.990 Amazons. But this will also happen by the increase of temperature without human 00:34:20.990 --> 00:34:28.039 impact. And in this paper here by Steffen and some others, they said they estimate 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:39.720 about a rainforest reduction of up to 40% by an increase of of up to 1.5 degrees 00:34:39.720 --> 00:34:47.750 anyways. So we gonna lose rainforest, a lot of rainforest already like that. We 00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:53.170 have a die-off in the boreal forest. This was this summer in Siberia. Well, they 00:34:53.170 --> 00:35:00.160 just don't die off. They get burned. And there are other reasons why they die. And 00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:05.920 so there's a lot of CO2 going to be emitted from forests that are where carbon 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:12.130 starts currently into the atmosphere. We have a reduction of ice and snow. So 00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:18.690 there's less reflection of the sun into the atmosphere again. And we have a 00:35:18.690 --> 00:35:22.620 reduction of ice warming, so we have an increase in sea level. And this whole 00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:33.450 thing, this is like a communicating system. And one thing triggered, will 00:35:33.450 --> 00:35:42.580 trigger something else. This is sometimes goes by circulations, also by ocean 00:35:42.580 --> 00:35:48.960 circulation and so on. So one thing can trigger the next thing and this might 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:56.190 trigger the next thing and this will go on. And if this happens, at a certain 00:35:56.190 --> 00:36:03.500 time, at a certain intensity, then we will not have as a human beings with the 00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:10.320 current technology and technology we have, we will not be able to stop that. And 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.230 that's what they are worried about, so these climate scientists, that we should 00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:24.520 not get these tipping points to go too strong. They are already...This is 00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:30.390 already... These are processes that can be already seen, but... Well, currently they 00:36:30.390 --> 00:36:37.200 are on a level where it's, well, it's bad. There was actually 4 weeks ago this paper 00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:43.280 published in Nature Climate Change, where they said, well, we might be wrong with 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.960 our estimation here with this 100 gigatons, because these tipping points are 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:54.490 worse than we thought. So we are actually further there more on the upper limits of 00:36:54.490 --> 00:37:06.320 the bounds where we thought it would be. Yes. So these are very worrisome 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:16.010 situations. Now, this should trigger us to do something about it, and that's actually 00:37:16.010 --> 00:37:23.760 the point. So things need to be done. But up to now, well, things have not been 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.980 done. But this is like they see it, the climate, greenhouse gas emissions curves 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:39.320 from 1970 to 2010. And we can see that not only that the curve has been increasing 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:47.609 more or less the whole period, but also the increase has increased from 2000 on. 00:37:47.609 --> 00:37:59.540 And the main increase here is by CO2. The other gas is here methane. There is a... 00:37:59.540 --> 00:38:07.690 nitrogen gases up here. And well there are CO2 from well, agriculture, forestry and 00:38:07.690 --> 00:38:12.890 land use, this is here. They are more or less constant. Sometimes there are spikes 00:38:12.890 --> 00:38:19.280 like this. Most likely this is like rainforest burning. The only year in the 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:23.040 recent years where there has been a decrease also in the CO2 emissions was in 00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:32.270 the economic crisis in 2008. Well, there actually was a decrease by 4 percent. 00:38:32.270 --> 00:38:40.840 Yeah. Now, nevertheless, the scientists went on and said: OK, let's calculate, how 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:46.360 can we manage to get to 1.5 degrees and there are different scenarios. Some say, 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:53.030 OK, let's go to get to 1.5 degrees. Some say, OK, maybe we need to get to a higher 00:38:53.030 --> 00:38:58.480 temperature and later on change that again to get to 1.5 degrees. So there are all 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:08.660 kinds of scenarios that you can calculate. Now, if we say, we use this CDR, this is 00:39:08.660 --> 00:39:15.270 carbon dioxide removal. We don't have that. And we say, we use the exponential 00:39:15.270 --> 00:39:23.260 curve each year. We do reduce this the same percentage of our emissions and we 00:39:23.260 --> 00:39:31.349 want to get to 1.5 degrees. And this was the curve from 2018. So we should have 00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:38.460 started this year to reduce our CO2 emission by 18% each year globally, 18%, 00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:47.910 if we want to reach 1.5 degrees. If we want to be, we reach 2 degrees, it's still 00:39:47.910 --> 00:39:57.400 5 percent each year. 5 percent. If we do this for Germany, by this, and I think 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.500 this is the most important figure. It's not as important like politicians always 00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:06.020 say, are yeah, by this year, we want to reduce our emissions by 50 percent or 00:40:06.020 --> 00:40:10.349 something like that. But this does not tell you what happens but 2030, what 00:40:10.349 --> 00:40:18.370 happens until 2030? Right? So it's very important to keep in mind that it's likely 00:40:18.370 --> 00:40:24.200 we have a budget and this is actually from a paper, it's global carbon budgets. They 00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:31.870 say they publish each year, how much budget do we have left to to emit? And so 00:40:31.870 --> 00:40:37.300 if we take this budget and say, OK, this is our budget. How are we gonna spend to 00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:42.760 spend going to spend our carbon budget? And this is something that we should ask 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.110 all the politicians. What do you think is your budget? Why do you think this is your 00:40:47.110 --> 00:40:54.750 budget? And there's been actually an article by by climate scientists Stefan 00:40:54.750 --> 00:40:58.850 Ramsdorf in the Spiegel. Where he said, OK, let's estimate we have more than seven 00:40:58.850 --> 00:41:04.210 point about seven point three gigatons CO2 overall budget to Germany. And we could 00:41:04.210 --> 00:41:10.089 say if we want to reach one point five degrees, this would mean we continue our 00:41:10.089 --> 00:41:14.910 share of emissions, which would be in Germany, which is like double the average 00:41:14.910 --> 00:41:20.491 of the rest of the world. And we'd say, OK, we have the right to blow out in the 00:41:20.491 --> 00:41:26.270 air twice as much as the average person in the world. Then we still would have 1.5 00:41:26.270 --> 00:41:31.510 gigatons CO2 in Germany to emit. And how are we gonna do that? That's 00:41:31.510 --> 00:41:36.850 the question. Are we do we have this in mind? Of course we can calculate this down 00:41:36.850 --> 00:41:44.730 to each person in Germany. So we end up with about 40 tons per person. So each of 00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:51.030 us can also think of this. I have 40 now, 90 tons here. Sorry, 90 tons. That is to 00:41:51.030 --> 00:42:01.319 emit. How am I gonna spend this until the end of my life? Now, if we go back to this 00:42:01.319 --> 00:42:08.530 report, then we have different scenarios. And as you can see, there are different 00:42:08.530 --> 00:42:15.200 ways of doing that. And these are different economic scenarios. So and you 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:19.070 can see already, that most of these scenarios do have negative emissions at 00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:25.980 some points. Actually, all of them have. Some of them include carbon capture and 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:32.310 storage here shown as BECCS. And depending on what kind of economic 00:42:32.310 --> 00:42:40.619 scenario you go for, this is more or less. And here it's like up to about 20 gigatons 00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:48.190 per year to be stored in the ground. The green part here, agriculture, forestry and 00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:54.109 land use and other land use. This also, of course, you can reduce CO2 by planting 00:42:54.109 --> 00:43:00.200 trees. This is actually a very efficient way of doing that. But of course, the land 00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:07.839 land area is limited. And this is also true for other things. And of course, the 00:43:07.839 --> 00:43:13.140 land area we can use is decreasing due to climate change. It could always should 00:43:13.140 --> 00:43:22.580 always keep this in mind. Now. The base of all these scenarios, they put this again 00:43:22.580 --> 00:43:27.930 into a table and and puts and I put some pictures to that. So they say: If we want 00:43:27.930 --> 00:43:32.450 to reach to 1.5 degrees, what we have to do, we need a rapid and 00:43:32.450 --> 00:43:40.200 profound near-term decarbonisation of our energy supply. So basically, we have to be 00:43:40.200 --> 00:43:46.380 very, very quick and change our energy supply. This has to be. That's the first 00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:51.590 part. The second part, we need greater mitigation efforts and the demand side. So 00:43:51.590 --> 00:44:02.680 we have to use less and get smaller with things. Third part is well we do have to 00:44:02.680 --> 00:44:13.730 do this within the next 10 years, so we cannot wait. This is very, very urgent. 00:44:13.730 --> 00:44:18.540 Well, this is actually a table that looks like this is a bit, sorry for that. So the 00:44:18.540 --> 00:44:22.849 main thing is that the additional reductions come from CO2 emissions because 00:44:22.849 --> 00:44:28.579 the other greenhouse gas house gases are already included in the two degrees 00:44:28.579 --> 00:44:37.400 scenarios. We need to invest differently, so investment patterns have to change 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:44.410 strongly. What we also, they are the best options actually for one point five degree 00:44:44.410 --> 00:44:52.660 scenarios are the ones that go with the sustainable development, because if people 00:44:52.660 --> 00:44:59.270 don't have food to eat, they don't have the chance to take care of the climate 00:44:59.270 --> 00:45:07.200 anymore, because first they are trying to survive. So we do have to also care about 00:45:07.200 --> 00:45:16.230 how people can live on this planet. This helps protecting the climate. Well, then 00:45:16.230 --> 00:45:22.300 they say, OK, we probably have to think of climate, the carbon dioxide removal 00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:26.129 somehow at the mit summit of the century. What's the myth of the centuries? So this 00:45:26.129 --> 00:45:31.050 has to be implemented now. And what we also have to do is, we have to switch from 00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:38.240 fossil fuels to electricity and the end user sector. Now CDR, carbon dioxide 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:44.310 dioxide removal, I will say about that. This is, of course, agriculture, forestry 00:45:44.310 --> 00:45:50.750 and land use. That's very easy planting trees. Then there is BECK. So you use by 00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:58.670 basically biomass to produce some some gas and then you capture the CO2 from burning 00:45:58.670 --> 00:46:03.020 the gas and press this into ground and carbon capture and storage. Or what you can 00:46:03.020 --> 00:46:12.050 also do is use direct air capture as where you use it. These are like these machines. 00:46:12.050 --> 00:46:19.430 So they take CO2 from the air and then you have to store it. And you can see it's such 00:46:19.430 --> 00:46:27.109 a machine here. This was like a model at the time. So these are these have been 00:46:27.109 --> 00:46:33.599 already existing models. This. So basically this can be take 1000 tons of 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:40.990 CO2 per year. So if we want to go for gigatons, then we would have to build 00:46:40.990 --> 00:46:48.510 millions of these in the end. Problem with that, it's a bit and discuss 00:46:48.510 --> 00:46:58.890 also in this report. So. So basically. So we have an energy usage of that by 00:46:58.890 --> 00:47:06.120 12.9 gigajoules per tonns CO2. So basically, if we want to use put down 15 00:47:06.120 --> 00:47:12.570 tons of 15 gigatonnes of CO2 per year by this, which was in one of the scenarios, we 00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:19.440 would need about 1/4 of the global energy supply only for atmospheric waste 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:25.590 management. It's called like this. And the funny thing, this was like a professor. We 00:47:25.590 --> 00:47:29.680 had them in our university here in Oldenburg and he he gave this 00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:34.380 presentation. He said, yeah, this sounds so crazy, but the climate change will hurt 00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:44.960 you so much. This will be done. Yeah. And BECCs, that's a different way of doing 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:51.040 that with a bio gas. So the thing is, if we want to have that at large scale, it 00:47:51.040 --> 00:48:00.000 requires huge amounts of land use to produce this amount of biogas. And the 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:05.610 other drawback is, of course, that you do have to take care of your storage systems 00:48:05.610 --> 00:48:12.360 to avoid the gas to come out because. Well, CO2 is hard. Is has a higher density 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:19.470 than than oxygen. And it goes so, it stays on the ground, if there is no wind. And if 00:48:19.470 --> 00:48:26.140 people live there, you don't have anything to breathe anymore. Now, there are, of 00:48:26.140 --> 00:48:30.800 course, different sectors. This for the EU, for example, where where the 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:37.440 greenhouse gases come from. So the main parts are, of course, agriculture. There 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:45.270 is transport and the energy industry and this. But there's also other industries. 00:48:45.270 --> 00:48:49.160 And it's important to keep in mind that this is not equal of all different 00:48:49.160 --> 00:48:55.880 countries. But it is also distributed to a dependent strongly on on the income of the 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.590 people in the countries. So the high so- called high income countries here, they 00:49:00.590 --> 00:49:06.910 have the highest share in the CO2 emissions by the MID. So so-called 00:49:06.910 --> 00:49:15.230 emerging countries, they're almost at the same level now. While low income 00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:20.270 countries. They mainly have a CO2 emissions here from agricultural land land 00:49:20.270 --> 00:49:26.340 use. So the question is, can we make it to one point five degrees? That's a good 00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:33.050 question. So there have been a lot of studies like. Like for Germany and the EU. 00:49:33.050 --> 00:49:41.160 Either on like energy infrastructure, for example, or the whole system. There 00:49:41.160 --> 00:49:49.890 was one study from this year. They looked for 95 percent CO2 reduction by 2050. 00:49:49.890 --> 00:49:55.650 There was one study currently just read you released for the complete EU and 00:49:55.650 --> 00:50:05.500 greenhouse gas neutral EU by 2050. And so obviously, technically there is this 00:50:05.500 --> 00:50:12.240 assumption that this is possible. One main thing of that is, that we have to go far 00:50:12.240 --> 00:50:17.000 more efficient. And one thing and that is use electricity, because electricity is 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.710 very efficient in many things. So currently the prime currently prime energy 00:50:22.710 --> 00:50:27.320 consumption in Germany is about two thousand 3200 terawatt hours 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:31.640 in total. And the assumption for 2050 where they have this 00:50:31.640 --> 00:50:43.619 100 percent or 95 percent reduction would be 1300 terawatt hours or by the other 00:50:43.619 --> 00:50:49.620 study was even less than that. That depends a bit on the mixture they use. The 00:50:49.620 --> 00:50:54.760 reason for that is, for example, that the efficiency, for example, of battery driven 00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:01.360 cars is much higher than the one, those of combustion driven or other methods. So it 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:09.050 really depends on which technology you put into use on how good you get. On the EU 00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:16.640 level, that looks a bit like this. So there demand and supply today. And this 00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:23.440 would be, so the reduction is not quite as large, but that would be as they still 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:30.460 assume that we can reach this type of reduction if we want to. Nevertheless, 00:51:30.460 --> 00:51:40.060 they are not assuming 100 percent CO2 free. But they calculate with negative 00:51:40.060 --> 00:51:47.630 emissions by agriculture and forestry. So this is actually in these calculations and 00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:52.901 I really like the one by Robinius and so on. That's the lower one because they 00:51:52.901 --> 00:51:59.260 actually calculated completely with storage systems, with electricity grids 00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:02.960 and all that and how much needs to be invested into this. This is a very 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:08.290 detailed study. Very, very good one. So this actually technically possible and 00:52:08.290 --> 00:52:12.780 they even calculated this. What happens in the so-called "Dunkelflaute". That's the 00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:18.690 German word for there is no wind and no sun in the winter for a period of time. 00:52:18.690 --> 00:52:24.420 And what happens? And this can actually. And that's what all they assume is that we 00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:29.589 do have a lot of storage for gas and we can use these curr, current strategic 00:52:29.589 --> 00:52:36.440 storage, as for gas in the future to store power to to gas, gas or gas that's won by 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:44.490 electricity there as a backup. So basically, technically, this is possible. 00:52:44.490 --> 00:52:52.520 So to conclude, so the climate system is already at a critical stage. The prospect 00:52:52.520 --> 00:52:58.650 for a one point five degree warmer earth are already very bitter. And 00:52:58.650 --> 00:53:03.530 while the IPCC reports and all the reports, they are they are they. All of 00:53:03.530 --> 00:53:08.910 them go for it. If you would not exceed 2 degrees because we have this thing of the 00:53:08.910 --> 00:53:16.710 tipping points. And several reasons we already have this two degrees. Yeah, 00:53:16.710 --> 00:53:22.840 this carbon dioxide removal is presented. Basically, this is hard to avoid. But 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:31.339 there are these critical things concerning carbon capture and storage. And whatever 00:53:31.339 --> 00:53:37.010 we need to do is we have to act fast, and that's the main thing. This has to be done 00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:49.550 very quickly. And I must say I'm very sorry. But our government's. Well, yes... 00:53:49.550 --> 00:53:58.990 applause 00:53:58.990 --> 00:54:04.230 So it is not a technical issue. It is a political one. Yes. 00:54:04.230 --> 00:54:05.200 Thank you. 00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:08.450 applause 00:54:08.450 --> 00:54:14.010 Herald: Bernhard, I thank you very much. We have eight minutes for questions. So we 00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:17.310 have a couple of microhones here and the whole. Please line up over there. We have 00:54:17.310 --> 00:54:22.490 those eight minutes. I'm sure there will be questions. The signal angel is 00:54:22.490 --> 00:54:29.450 signaling over there, that we have a question from the Internet. 00:54:29.450 --> 00:54:34.339 Question: Do you see nuclear power plants as a temporary solution to slow the 00:54:34.339 --> 00:54:40.410 emission of CO2 and we had quite some discussion in the Internet. There was 00:54:40.410 --> 00:54:45.599 number one answered. You need more than 10 years to build new nuclear power plants. 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.790 And the response was, well, you could we get the shutdown once back on the power 00:54:50.790 --> 00:54:54.050 line. So is that the realistic scenario, in your view? 00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:59.150 Bernhard: Well, there is actually this this is a current discussion going on. And 00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:05.230 the issue with that is, it's not that easy to us to get old power plants back into 00:55:05.230 --> 00:55:11.010 running. Because, well, they have a certain type of lifetime. And if you want to put 00:55:11.010 --> 00:55:15.499 them back on into the into the system, then you somehow would have to exceed the 00:55:15.499 --> 00:55:21.690 lifetime. And that are some, of course, some security issues. And if you want to 00:55:21.690 --> 00:55:27.260 avoid them, then you have to put a lot of money and effort into getting them to run. 00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:32.740 And you need also a lot of time to do that. And so this the question is, would 00:55:32.740 --> 00:55:40.560 this be worth it? And I would say probably they are faster methods to do it. You 00:55:40.560 --> 00:55:46.410 could do it. There are, of course, the risk and I mean after Fukushima and 00:55:46.410 --> 00:55:54.420 Chernobyl. Basically, we we've all seen what the risks are. So and I would say 00:55:54.420 --> 00:56:00.030 it's probably not the best and fastest way to do it. There are other ways they could 00:56:00.030 --> 00:56:02.900 be worth doing it. Herald: OK. Then we're going to hop over 00:56:02.900 --> 00:56:06.839 to microphone number one. Mic 1: First, I want to thank you for 00:56:06.839 --> 00:56:11.590 your talk. It was very informative. And yeah, my question is as follows. There was 00:56:11.590 --> 00:56:17.380 a talk at the university where I study in Darmstadt one and a half years ago from a 00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:23.620 person who compared the IPCC predictions with what really happened with the real 00:56:23.620 --> 00:56:28.510 temperature increase and the damage which causes the climate change. And what she 00:56:28.510 --> 00:56:35.170 found out that the IPCC always, nearly always underestimated the effect of the 00:56:35.170 --> 00:56:41.329 temperature increase and what it causes. Have you ever heard of this criticism and 00:56:41.329 --> 00:56:49.351 do you think this is still the case? Bernhard: I hope not. The issue is, of 00:56:49.351 --> 00:56:59.290 course, that the IPCC reports, as always, very, very carefully taking decisions and 00:56:59.290 --> 00:57:04.630 is very carefully looking at this. And there are more conservative and the rather 00:57:04.630 --> 00:57:11.079 are lower than the than the actual temperatures in the end, probably because 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:16.250 there is, of course, also a lot of pressure, political pressure on them. And 00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:21.940 so if they would predict something and they would over predict, then people would 00:57:21.940 --> 00:57:27.930 immediately say, come and say, hey, you are doing panicking and so on. And so 00:57:27.930 --> 00:57:36.130 that's why it is most likely that they try to be as accurate as possible. But they 00:57:36.130 --> 00:57:42.820 rather choose the lower the. The lower estimates. 00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:46.460 Question: Yeah. That was the serious thing as well. 00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:50.569 Bernhard: That's let's say it's a very it's a I mean in the end it's this summary 00:57:50.569 --> 00:57:56.550 for policymakers. I showed some slides from that. That is actually voted on by 00:57:56.550 --> 00:58:04.130 the buyer of governmental agents. So they bring this intergovernmental round of the 00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:11.110 U.N. They are a U.N. entity. And so and the governments actually say you have to 00:58:11.110 --> 00:58:17.460 approve this. And so that's why it's very, very diplomatic. And the terms of. So they 00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:22.880 are doing reasons for concern, you know. So it's I mean, people are concerned about 00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:26.410 all kinds of things. Thanks. Herald: All right, then we hope over to 00:58:26.410 --> 00:58:29.750 microphone two, please. Mic 2: OK. First, thank you for your 00:58:29.750 --> 00:58:36.141 talk. All good mood is gone now. And if it's mainly a political problem, do you 00:58:36.141 --> 00:58:41.940 have any idea how we can force politicians to make the right decisions now? Because 00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:45.960 what we are doing at the moment, like protesting and voting, doesn't seem to 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.660 work. Berhard: Well, I some applause I think 00:58:52.660 --> 00:58:58.099 actually I'm very happy because I think protesting works, but it does not work in 00:58:58.099 --> 00:59:04.120 the same way that people who usually take it to the streets think it works. It puts 00:59:04.120 --> 00:59:08.609 a lot of pressure onto them. But it's one pressure on. They also have pressure from 00:59:08.609 --> 00:59:13.530 other sites, you know, and then they look at, you know, what are the my voters. And 00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:19.289 if their voters, are not the ones that are on the streets. Well, they might be not as 00:59:19.289 --> 00:59:26.319 important. And so I think the main thing is that needs to be done is to go out to 00:59:26.319 --> 00:59:32.470 the people. And thus going to the street is one way of doing that. And tell that, 00:59:32.470 --> 00:59:37.460 you know, and talk to the people and talk especially to those who are not there on 00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:42.369 the streets yet. Well, the potential voters of those who think, well, I don't 00:59:42.369 --> 00:59:46.930 have to care so much about because these are not my voters. And we just have to go 00:59:46.930 --> 00:59:52.470 out and talk. And I think this will put up the pressure together with taking it to 00:59:52.470 --> 00:59:57.780 the streets and protesting and doing whatever talking to politicians. I mean, 00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:02.779 we have a you know, Angela Merkel is our our chancellor in Germany, and she is a 01:00:02.779 --> 01:00:08.280 physicist. I mean, she knows I mean, this is she understands all this. You know, 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:13.900 it's not that she doesn't know. It's just the pressure from the wrong side yet. 01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:18.180 Herald: All right. And we have time for one last question. Microphone three, 01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:20.960 please. Mic 3: Yes. Thank you very much for my 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:25.380 side, for the informative talk. From the description of the talk, I was expecting 01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:30.520 more on the, it said something about the resilience, about climate skepticism. Yes. 01:00:30.520 --> 01:00:35.180 To be more resilient about their arguments. And I was in discussion with 01:00:35.180 --> 01:00:40.880 many other people, also climate skepticism and they sometimes said, they didn't 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.970 criticize the entropy eugenic. Well, they didn't criticize the climate change at 01:00:44.970 --> 01:00:49.500 all. But the anthropogenic part of it. And what they said that there is like an 01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:54.020 increase of solar activity the last decades, which increases to the 01:00:54.020 --> 01:01:00.540 temperature. And that also like the diagram is like only from 1860. But if you 01:01:00.540 --> 01:01:06.390 consider like the last millennials, there have been higher values of CO2 in the 01:01:06.390 --> 01:01:10.701 atmosphere, but the temperature did not correlate. So how do you argue with this, 01:01:10.701 --> 01:01:15.680 this kind of argument? Berhard: Yes, that's a good one. Yeah. I 01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:25.430 didn't go into these these because they are the sometimes the easy ones. But the 01:01:25.430 --> 01:01:38.329 thing is that there are... I did this talk this way because it helps. If you go into. 01:01:38.329 --> 01:01:42.500 Climate, skeptics say this and they say a lot of different things. If I could do a 01:01:42.500 --> 01:01:50.210 whole talk on what climate skeptics say. If you do that, then in the end, people 01:01:50.210 --> 01:01:58.790 keep in mind, oh, yeah, this there is some skepticism on this. And this is, I did a 01:01:58.790 --> 01:02:05.660 lot of these things because by this now people can go out and say, OK, this is 01:02:05.660 --> 01:02:10.540 currently the state of the art of the research. I did not go into the climate 01:02:10.540 --> 01:02:15.480 skeptic detailed answers. Of course there are. I mean, I can make, for example, 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.480 thunder radiation is already in the climate models, the changes in thunder 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:25.420 radiations. The variations of the centuries before actually being 01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:31.050 precalculators in the climate models currently, because only if you're able to 01:02:31.050 --> 01:02:37.170 run if you if you're able to mimic that in climate models today, for today, all of 01:02:37.170 --> 01:02:42.900 the past. If you're able to do that, then you're able to do to run it for the 01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:48.280 future. And this is how climate models work. And so all this, all these 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:53.620 variations are taking in. So I'm sorry. Herald: Oh, time is up. 01:02:53.620 --> 01:02:57.450 Bernhard: But we can talk about this also later on. I didn't get too much to the 01:02:57.450 --> 01:03:01.110 climate skeptics now. So much. Herald: All right. We don't have time for 01:03:01.110 --> 01:03:06.840 any more questions, Bernard. Applause That's your Applaus, thank you very much. 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:13.240 postroll music 01:03:13.240 --> 01:03:33.830 Subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2020. Join, and help us!