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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.96,0:00:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: As you all know, this year we didn't have
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.53,0:00:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any summer dream, but more of a summer nightmare and for the first time
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.75,0:00:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 50 years of the federal republic of Gemany\Njournalists were impeached
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.72,0:00:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for "Landesverrat" (Treason of the nation).\NIt lies back now a few months
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.06,0:00:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we want to use this opportunity now,\Nto reflect a bit about
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.35,0:00:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what actually happened, once recall the events
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.74,0:00:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shine light on the back story, but also look at
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.98,0:00:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what happened since then, what the consequences are.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.93,0:00:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to do that, please give with me a warm welcome \Nto the founder
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.30,0:00:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and publisher of "Netzpolitik" and our favourite\N"Landesverräter" (Nation traitor) Markus Beckedahl.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.73,0:00:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applaus{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.87,0:01:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: And...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.25,0:01:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For all our international guests, if you want to listen to the talk in English
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.19,0:01:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is totally possible. Please tone into our wonderful
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.17,0:01:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translation at 80 11. Thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.69,0:01:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Markus: Hello, good morning!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.71,0:01:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.89,0:01:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you're clapping all the time, I will never finish with my 72 slides.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.36,0:01:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So... \N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.04,0:01:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andre can be here unfortunately, he has to lie in the sun,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.91,0:01:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean in the real sun.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.78,0:01:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.78,0:01:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the camp, just after the case against us was dropped we have\N
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.14,0:02:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,held a talk, so: The story about all of this investigations
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.72,0:02:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will hold very briefly. I will more focus on \Nwhat the findings are,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.32,0:02:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we have learned, what would have to change in the laws to avoid
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.41,0:02:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such investigations in the future.\NWho is still interested in the background story,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.35,0:02:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I said, the talks from the camp are online.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.11,0:02:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I believe you can download them free of charge.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.87,0:02:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The story started over a year earlier.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.56,0:02:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last year we celebrated the 10th anniversary
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.49,0:02:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and adequately for our 10th anniversary, we received \Nnews, that the chancellery
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.21,0:02:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had threatened the members of the NSA-investigation commission in the Bundestag
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.96,0:02:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to press penal charges, because among others\Nin our blog documents had been posted
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.22,0:02:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were distributed in the context of the\Ninvestigation commission.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.86,0:02:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time the charges were not pursued.\NThere are rumours,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.67,0:02:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Merkel was against it. She was afraid,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.47,0:02:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that somehow was bad PR \Nto prosecute the press.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.91,0:03:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We felt honoured and a bit motivated
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.34,0:03:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to just continue.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.05,0:03:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this February we published parts of the\Nstate budge documents,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.86,0:03:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which showed, that the "Verfassungsschutz"\N(German secret service) was planning
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.41,0:03:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,massive analysis of internet contents just like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.93,0:03:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was interesting, because two year after the start of the Snowden-Leaks
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.22,0:03:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the answer of the government was to increase \Nthe budget
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.07,0:03:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the authority of the secret services \Nto monitor the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.20,0:03:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought, that should better be discussed,\Nbefore that is just implemented that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.88,0:03:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But a discussion was actually just possible,\Nif all the document were public,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.80,0:03:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were confidential to that point.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.38,0:03:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To us, someone had leaked them. We had a bit space \Non our servers,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.68,0:03:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we published them, sadly we did not get the\Nhuge debate in civil society,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.69,0:03:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we wanted. To put it in other word: \NIt just did not
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.33,0:03:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interest people that much.\NBut it is our philosophy
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.98,0:04:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents we have not just to quote,\Nbut also
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.54,0:04:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if possible, openly provided for all our readers.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.45,0:04:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are used to the Internet, we are used\Nto link to the sources.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.08,0:04:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applaus{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.18,0:04:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are used, that others should also question our work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.35,0:04:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not believe, that we are\Nthe experts for everything,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.62,0:04:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we believe also, that among our readers are many experts,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.70,0:04:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who can help us, to gain more perspectives\Non documents from all angles
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.70,0:04:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for that we all need the originals.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.21,0:04:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And therefore we upload them to the net,\Nof course on a case by case basis,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.88,0:04:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we do not endanger anyone by that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.37,0:04:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, back to the start of this year:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.85,0:04:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this April we received another state budget plan,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.10,0:04:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we of course published too.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.47,0:04:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately this one did really interest none,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.16,0:04:57.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause 9:05 am it was online, \N9:15 the minister of justice informed,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.65,0:05:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was going to reimplement the\N"Vorratsdatenspeicherung" (Mass surveillance measures) now,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.56,0:05:04.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so our issue just die on that spot.\NWe found it was a pity,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.30,0:05:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause we really wanted to talk about: \NWhat is the Verfassungsschutz doing there?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.22,0:05:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this constitutional at all, what they are doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.50,0:05:14.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shouldn't we as society not decide first,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.09,0:05:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we approve the measures or not?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.70,0:05:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, shouldn't maybe the supreme court\Nrule first about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.79,0:05:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they are even allowed to do so or not?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.78,0:05:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To put this all in context, what we published there:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.33,0:05:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state budget, some say, that is somehow \Ncomparable with
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.24,0:05:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply just a cost draft.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.43,0:05:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After the "Landesverrat" investigation\NZEIT ONLINE (news) has published another\N
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.44,0:05:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,piece of the puzzle, namely internal\Ndocuments of the "Verfassungsschutz"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.50,0:05:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about XKeyscore. We have published, so to say, the budget planes,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.00,0:05:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which documented the implementation of this XKeyscore Software,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.55,0:05:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another piece of the puzzle came from \NKai Biermann and Yassin Musharbash,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.41,0:06:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I'm constantly pronouncing their names wrong. Sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.17,0:06:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the 4th of July we hard from a radio station, \Nthat a internet service
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.91,0:06:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had published two articles in February and April,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.35,0:06:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what they were indicted by the president\Nof the Verfassungsschutz.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.14,0:06:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's no fun fact that, one day in advance\Nthe Verfassungsschutz law
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.07,0:06:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with more competences for the Verfassungsschutz\Nhad passed the parliament.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.27,0:06:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Possibly there is a correlation, that this\Nstory by
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.74,0:06:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a Verfassungsschutz friendly "Deutschlandfunk"\Njournalist
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.09,0:06:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was placed one day after and not before.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.75,0:06:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably the "Landesverrat" investigations, media coverage
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.51,0:06:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have led to more people actually\Nhaving a look at the Verfassungsschutz law,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.88,0:06:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it did not happen this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.73,0:06:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were at first a bit surprised, \Nso we noticed first,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.12,0:06:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that WE are this internet service apparently,\Nthen we thought:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.04,0:06:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does this happen often, \Nthat such a accusation is filed?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.40,0:06:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We then called the union for journalists and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.54,0:07:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ask about it. We thought they might know\Nmore about this stuff. But they were like:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.37,0:07:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, no idea, happened last time in the 90s or something?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.74,0:07:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we thought... hmmm... strange somehow.\NSo we called on Monday
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.99,0:07:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Verfassungsschutz and the General Attorney,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.42,0:07:14.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ask about it. They did not want to tell us\Nanything obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.95,0:07:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we blogged about it and waited for it.\NWe knew according to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.77,0:07:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this article in the Deutschlandfunk it had \Nto do with betraying official secrets. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.49,0:07:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a ruling of the supreme court,\Nto phrase it that way, is would be bad\N
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.82,0:07:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our sources, but we as individuals \Ncould still get out of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.56,0:07:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then on the 30th of July, we received a \Nletter, that at least throw over our
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.40,0:07:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,daily life in the editorial office a bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.19,0:07:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The general attorney notified us, that\Ninvestigations concerning "Landesverrat"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.64,0:07:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Andre, against our source and me\Nwere being conduced and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.58,0:07:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it already started in May.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.26,0:07:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we thought: Well.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.59,0:08:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Laughing{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.15,0:08:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we then blogged it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.85,0:08:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we looked up, what does "Landesverrat" actually mean anyway?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.18,0:08:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.66,0:08:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our lawyers said like: \N"So, there is something curious going on!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.83,0:08:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The law about it states: There must be the \Nintention of harming the federal republic."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.64,0:08:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we actually wanted a better federal\Nrepublic,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.80,0:08:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we wanted a federal republic, \Nwhere the basic right we have
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.02,0:08:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were applied! That's the opposite of, what \NLandesverrat (Treason against the nation) is!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.66,0:08:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}heavy applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.24,0:08:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he thought: "Well, if the law is the way\Nit is. We will fight through this in the worst case."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.25,0:08:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we informed ourselfs again:\NHow did "Landesverrat" actually come about?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.23,0:08:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, one only knew the kind of thing\Nfrom the Spiegel scandal,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.29,0:08:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so from history books, it went even further.\NErich Kästner and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.87,0:08:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so a very explosive... well, symbolic\Nphrase!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.57,0:09:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The short version was: Thursday we received \Nthe letter, uploaded it and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.93,0:09:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sunday all of the sudden we were in the \Ncentre of a small state crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.76,0:09:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tuesday the General Attorney resigns.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.40,0:09:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Monday after, everything was buried\Nvery quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.69,0:09:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But: Now starts, what all did happened or
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.26,0:09:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we evaluated the whole thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.37,0:09:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To start with we had a lot of luck.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.01,0:09:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we were lucky, that they charged us for\N"Landesverrat",
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.50,0:09:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so such a symbolic, which instantly \Ngenerates this connection to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.17,0:09:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Franz Josef Strauß and the Spiegel Scandal\Nin the heads of many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.76,0:09:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It hadn't been quite as practical, if they \Ndidn't charge us with §94 StGB "Landesverrat"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.16,0:09:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but with §95 "Offenbarung von Staatsgeheimnissen"\N(revealing of official secrets),
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.42,0:09:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let alone the Hashtag\N#offenbarungvonstaatsgeheimnissen would've\N
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.44,0:09:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been to long.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.55,0:09:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were even lucky, that the INFORMED us \Nvia mail.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.09,0:10:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As far as we can reconstruct it, it looks \Na lot like,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.22,0:10:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the General Attorney ordered an \Nexternal report by a professor close to the BND,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.42,0:10:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who should affirm the view of the \NVerfassungsschutz,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.51,0:10:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we published official secrets,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.62,0:10:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if it had turned out that way..., \Nand this BND-professor told the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.48,0:10:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,General Attorney, that he unfortunately\Nhadn't finished yet and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.48,0:10:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to go on vacation.\NBut if he had finished,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.97,0:10:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would probably come to that conclusion\Nand then through that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.98,0:10:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we only would have known from a police\Nraid,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.08,0:10:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is something going on in this\Ndirection.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.67,0:10:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore we took the message from that\Njust to be prepare for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.72,0:10:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't think then, that we would in\NGermany, in a constitutional democracy,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.16,0:10:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to be afraid of raid at home and\Nthe office
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.80,0:10:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to our work.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.51,0:10:48.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we know that, now we are prepared,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.81,0:10:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it someday comes to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.64,0:10:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we were lucky: \NDavid vs Goliath, I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.45,0:10:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Star Wars was just released. Mr. Maaßen\N(president of the Verfassungsschutz) would
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.51,0:11:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be the perfect Emperor.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.89,0:11:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are the rebels, so besides David-\NGoliath
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.26,0:11:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Star Wars is also quite fitting.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.66,0:11:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case, this huge symbolic, \NWe were just lucky.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.09,0:11:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had such a stress test before, 6 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.05,0:11:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That time we published internal documents\Nof the "Deutsche Bahn" (German railway).
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.35,0:11:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could test a bit the mechanics of the \Nnew public
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.80,0:11:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such a David-Goliath situation,\NStreisand-effect and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.09,0:11:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now we could play the same thing in\Nbig.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.52,0:11:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most importantly the luck we had was,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.09,0:11:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this was happening in the "Sommerloch",
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.19,0:11:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, two weeks before we would have been \Nforgotten about due to the Greek crisis,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.48,0:11:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two weeks due later the refugees situation,\Nbut exactly at that time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.81,0:11:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we received this letter, \Njust nothing else happened at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.68,0:11:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Totally great, Thanks!
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.92,0:11:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.95,0:11:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So but first off we had to prove that\Nwe are good citizens,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.79,0:12:00.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time, which was the funniest \Nthing,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.100,0:12:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government or the "Deutsche Bank" as\Nstandard initiative of the BDI
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.03,0:12:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together with the President send us also \Nsuch a certificate,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.04,0:12:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause we were honoured within the "Deutschland-\NLand der Ideen"(Germany land of ideas) campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.92,0:12:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't know at that point what to do \Nwith this honouring,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.33,0:12:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should we even make it public?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.54,0:12:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we thought: How useful, that shows\Nthis weird picture
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.91,0:12:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shows instantly somehow how\Nschizophrenic this is:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.56,0:12:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Parts of the government pay us tribute,\Nwhile the other part, well does the same,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.52,0:12:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but doesn't intended it that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.10,0:12:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.84,0:12:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in any case something happens, that\Nwe could have known,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.65,0:12:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we didn't: The Admin was on vacation\Nand the blog was gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.49,0:12:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We then needed a mirror page, where \Nat least the information
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.52,0:12:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could still be found.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.35,0:12:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then something happen, which I never\Nexperienced before:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.78,0:12:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't use Twitter any more, \Nfor example, 'cause there were to many
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.34,0:12:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,informations with our Hashtag and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.66,0:13:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my Browser shut down all the time,\NI had to shut down for
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.89,0:13:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few hours, but there was a huge crowd\Ndeclaring solidarity,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.59,0:13:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incountable Supertweets, eg. here from \N@NeinQuarterly and also many other things,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.37,0:13:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Links to our donation site, because we \Nhad obviously problems, if we had to fight
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.23,0:13:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this, then we would have needed a lot of \Nmoney,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.20,0:13:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the lawyers alone and we were complete \Nunderfunded at that time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.79,0:13:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case, then we had this funny \Nsituation, that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.78,0:13:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of the sudden even our IBAN-number\Nbecame a trending topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.91,0:13:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our bank was proud to. \N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.46,0:13:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at the same time to illustrate the\Nsummer void of news, that was one of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.17,0:13:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several days "tagesschau.de", where you got \Nthe impression that there was nothing else;
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.52,0:13:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably nothing else was happening at \Nthat time, I haven't hear of anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.92,0:13:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but here you also don't see anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.35,0:13:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something else: Very nice was also the \Nsolidarity of the ZDF heute-jornal.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.51,0:13:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had written netzpolitik.org instead of\Nheute.de
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.56,0:14:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}{\i1}big applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.32,0:14:12.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, and the server was down again.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.23,0:14:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have a new one.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.63,0:14:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, in case that happens again, we could\Nuse a bit more capacity.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.73,0:14:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, so we had to present ourselfs also\Nsomehow
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.67,0:14:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as even better citizens. \N{\i1}laughing{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.24,0:14:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then it was okay, I mean the most of \Nthe press had our back. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.90,0:14:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\NWe had hoped so, but we did not expect\Nthis huge solidarity at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.81,0:14:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was really great for sure, to know \Nthey have your back
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.64,0:14:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more than anything it's great, when \Nall the things
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.88,0:14:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you normally watch yourself are reporting \Nabout you,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.26,0:14:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as extra3, heute-show and so on.\N(comedy news shows) The only sad thing was,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.27,0:14:57.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were so deep in the middle of\Nsummer, that they did not had any TV-episodes,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.51,0:14:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they had to do it online.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.66,0:15:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, and then there was a little uprising \Nof the CDU-members of parliament, who did
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.36,0:15:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not understand why so many people showed\Ntheir solidarity to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.74,0:15:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jens Koeppen on the upper left is by the \Nway the the head of the commission for
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.87,0:15:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital agenda in the Bundestag. (Parliament)
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.63,0:15:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That also took just one day. The important \Npeople in the CDU,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.58,0:15:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had their colleges under control again \Nright the next day,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.90,0:15:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and were like: "That's a game we can't win!"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.40,0:15:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was also very funny, Mr. Bosbach\Ndeclared immediately 1,5 days later:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.49,0:15:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"However inexplicable the initiation of \Nthe investigation\N
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.99,0:15:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the blog "netzpolitik.org" was for \Nactual, legal reasons..."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.77,0:15:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he was of course attacking the social \Ndemocrates.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.84,0:15:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this was at least for us the signal: \NOkay, the government is on the retreat.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.75,0:15:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not everyone did get the hint:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.22,0:15:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hans-Peter Uhl thought still, that now\NISIS could draw from
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.15,0:15:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,budget plans conclusions how the \NVerfassungsschutz was organised.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.94,0:16:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, Hans-Peter Uhl has also some other \Nproblems, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.51,0:16:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.95,0:16:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case, this came in quite handy for\Nus. It was summer. We were a few from
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.24,0:16:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our team and a few friends, who wanted \Nabsolutely to rally.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.00,0:16:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought first, well, okay a rally there \Nwill be coming the few well known people.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.38,0:16:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway we did a demonstration. \N2500 people were there!
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.91,0:16:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\NAlso very helpful to\N
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.15,0:16:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create the right images.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.10,0:16:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we actually thought: after two days\Nit is all over. Heiko Maas the minister
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.27,0:16:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of justice had to cut his vacation short\Nfor the first time,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.85,0:16:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went to the press, like: "Everything \Nunder control, keep calm
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.67,0:16:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and carry on!"\NSome interview request were rejected.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.73,0:16:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We partied and, well, on the next day we \Nwere actually in a state scandal,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.34,0:16:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which took almost international proportions.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.53,0:16:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To understand it must be said, that \NGermany was always
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.90,0:16:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pointing fingers on the international \Nstage,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.46,0:16:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when ever there was a oppressive regime, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.33,0:16:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where journalists and bloggers were \Nsuppressed somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.20,0:17:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well and now there was such a case in \NGermany,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.03,0:17:04.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where journalist were threatened with \Ninvestigations,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.43,0:17:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where usually immediately the foreign \Nminister would intervene.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.26,0:17:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was somehow funny even for us. \NWe appeared everywhere:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.56,0:17:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here from Nepal to Greek, so in all the\Ncontinents,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.11,0:17:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost from all counties we received \Narticles.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.42,0:17:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't get them all processed, so we \Nwere called
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.78,0:17:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every minute for some question from the \Nmost bizarre media
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.24,0:17:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an the planet. We were very proud to be in \Nthe "Titanic" (Satire magazine),
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.94,0:17:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this page of "Landesverrateslust"\N
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.36,0:17:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\N(parody of gardening magazine "Landlust")
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.04,0:17:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once "Titanic". Well, the FAZ (frankfurt common newspaper) had a small campaign against us.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.84,0:17:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought that was cute, because we \Nthought, we can't lose anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.84,0:17:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when a news paper that is 10 times as big \N
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.90,0:17:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in one unearthly bad article article after \Nthe other tries to explain,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.42,0:17:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we actually are the bad guys and not \Nthe good ones
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.96,0:18:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then use words like: "The democracy \Ndidn't mean anything to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.26,0:18:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,netzpolitik.org or other swarm-like \Ncollective intelligent beings anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.50,0:18:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at child pornography, or \Ntelecommunications data retention, \Nor copyright."
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.49,0:18:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or the head of FAZ-Feuilleton about some \Nanimal, that was in our office,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.60,0:18:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was a gift from Anna from \NJapan. The "mascot" got half a page
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.09,0:18:26.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of scribbling, while we just thought: \N"what mascot???"
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.29,0:18:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hadn't even noticed it standing there.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.81,0:18:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in any case that was a very funny \Nthing, but at the same time also
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.17,0:18:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow completely bizarre. So the FAZ-\Npolitics editors had almost
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.44,0:18:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always exactly the opposite opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.90,0:18:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pointed at us and said: "That are the \Nactivists, we are the journalists!"
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.53,0:18:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And tried to denounce therefore our press\Nright privilege.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.53,0:18:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand we had thought this \Nthrough the last years.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.50,0:18:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had the official confirmation of the \Ngovernment, the "Bundespressekonferenz"
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.65,0:18:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Parliament, that we were journalists,\Nbecause they had given us
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.95,0:19:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IDs as journalists.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.57,0:19:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there was some small subplot:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.50,0:19:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had thrown out a team of Russia Today,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.46,0:19:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the fact that they were the only \Nones, that did not notify us in advance
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.11,0:19:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of the sudden entered the office,\Nstarted to film and we had the principle
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.51,0:19:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-that wasn't even against Russia- \Nbut we would not talk to government
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.74,0:19:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controlled media trying to exploit us to \Nsomehow relativise the freedom of the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.73,0:19:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,press in the own country.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.00,0:19:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we said we would not talk to media of\Ngovernments {\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.35,0:19:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of countries that suppress journalists, \Nthat threaten journalists with death.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.61,0:19:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Russia is one of those. \NWe twittered that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.94,0:19:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we had suddenly all conspiracy \Ntheorists
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.93,0:19:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were... \NI have never received so many death threats
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.60,0:19:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before, because somehow I was responsibly \Nfor the Ukraine conflict,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.91,0:19:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was 13 years ago in the Green \Nparty youth. {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.31,0:19:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I didn't really get it, but political\Neducation was
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.90,0:19:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reduced drastically in the last years, \NI think
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.77,0:20:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need there a bit more money from the\Nstate budget.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.27,0:20:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NBut let's look at the still unsolved puzzle:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.27,0:20:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We still wonder: why?\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.94,0:20:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, why did the General Attorney start the \Ninvestigations in the first place,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.45,0:20:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if everyone could have seen, that \Nthere is no will
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.06,0:20:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to harm the republic at all?!
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.35,0:20:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can only imagine, that there must \Nhave been some political pressure
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.39,0:20:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Verfassungsschutz, \Nfrom the ministry of internal affairs,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.66,0:20:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe from the chancellery.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.38,0:20:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the question is also, why would anyone \Nwant to be responsible for that?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.51,0:20:48.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also a question was, that later become \Nobvious:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.81,0:20:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we heard the news in the \N"Deutschlandfunk", that because of \N
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.06,0:20:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing official secrets they started \Ninvestigations against our source,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.40,0:21:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we read the "Cicero"-ruling of 2007 very \Ncarefully.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.32,0:21:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2005 there are a house search at "Cicero", \Nthis monthly magazine.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.11,0:21:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was about revealing of official secrets, \Nsome secrets which were disclosed
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.84,0:21:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to journalists and they, federal police \Nand Schily, tried back then to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.16,0:21:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find hint on the source using a raid in \Nin the editorial office.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.13,0:21:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The supreme court ruled 2007: \N"The revealing of official secrets are no
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.38,0:21:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legitimate reason for a raid."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.33,0:21:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they already started our investigation \Non a higher level,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.07,0:21:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to test if they could get away with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.60,0:21:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the supreme court has already forbidden \Nthe other thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.81,0:21:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's just try "Landesverrat" or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.58,0:21:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would have liked for the case to be\Ncontinued
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.17,0:21:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get a ruling, but sadly the \Ninvestigations were discontinued
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.65,0:21:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very fast, which took the opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.70,0:21:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to just clarify this by the courts.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.99,0:22:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially to clarify that we had the right\Nto do that at all times.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.57,0:22:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, Hans-Georg Maaßen, our president \Nof the Verfassungsschutz,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.04,0:22:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the emperor and so on, had already \Ndeclared that on the 4th of May,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.24,0:22:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the symposium of the Verfassungsschutz, \Nwhere by the way the Deutschlandfunk journalist
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.66,0:22:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was moderating, which later uncovered \Nthe first hint.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.36,0:22:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was saying back then, that our work or \Nthe leaking with the help of journalists
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.65,0:22:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would damage the work of the secret \Nservices a great deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.09,0:22:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Furthermore he was talking about some\Nsecret information being printed by
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.07,0:22:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the media. Actually, we did never have a \Nprinting press, we just
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.84,0:22:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put it out in the Internet, but okay...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.85,0:22:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did talk this as a reason to release a \Nnew sticker series,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.15,0:22:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get some later, at front left.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.52,0:23:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very interesting to, how Maaßen\Ntried to make excuses
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.35,0:23:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the time, that he was innocent, that \Nhe just did his duty and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.61,0:23:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that someone had to do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.48,0:23:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We now know, that in the last years there \Nwere just
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.02,0:23:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just three cases were filed, concerning \Nwell, revealing official secrets,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.90,0:23:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or generally the leaking of documents\Nto journalists from the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.25,0:23:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secret sevices. Three cases and two of \Nthem were us.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.03,0:23:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NThe BND did do something like this yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.16,0:23:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he was saying: "That is completely \Nnormal!!" Tried to suggest, that that was
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.92,0:23:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely usual procedure and that he \Nby the way had nothing to do
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.57,0:23:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with it, because the charges were pressed \Nagainst unknown.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.48,0:23:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At some point we got the document,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.06,0:23:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it looked like this. \NWhich is like right in your face.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.97,0:23:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This charge against unknown,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.99,0:23:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even featuring our names.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.30,0:23:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More than anything the Verfassungsschutz \Nhad managed
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.08,0:24:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in two files to write my name two times \Nwrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.03,0:24:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.04,0:24:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean luckily the is not a single person \Nin Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.91,0:24:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would have such a name, but the \Nproblem was,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.77,0:24:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would it mean, if your were suspected \Ndue to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.39,0:24:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a wrong name?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.60,0:24:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, I have to hurry a bit!
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.44,0:24:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our lawyers later only got censored \Ndocuments, better to say...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.54,0:24:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-hu? why did it proceed atomatically?-
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.53,0:24:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... just censored files, we think that all \Nthe time they kept,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.45,0:24:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two versions parallel.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.05,0:24:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some notices of conversations\Nbetween General Attorney and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.33,0:24:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Verfassungsschutz, which were held by \Nphone or email,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.91,0:24:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but do not appear there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.13,0:24:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our lawyers found that to be very curious, \Nwe would have liked to publish
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.30,0:24:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files, but we are not allowed to see them, \Ncause they are ranged as more secret
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.31,0:24:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the documents, we published,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.59,0:24:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause the Verfassungsschutz....\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.24,0:24:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Verfassungsschutz had to explain or \Nhad notified the General Attorney in the files
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.50,0:25:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why we had revealed relevant secrets and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.72,0:25:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, the assessment of the \NVerfassungsschutz is more secret than \N
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.46,0:25:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the documents we published. So incredibly \Nbizzare!
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.66,0:25:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At some point we noticed that, oh, \Ninvestigations of "Landesverrat" mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.00,0:25:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can legally tap us actually since 2, \N3 months.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.13,0:25:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was possible, but for a few moments \Nit felt for us like a problem...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.84,0:25:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-well, hu, what just happened? -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.79,0:25:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...like a problem, because we thought, \Nokay now we could have a real
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.29,0:25:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem, if they bugged everything at our \Nplace.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.32,0:25:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They told us afterwards, that the BKA \N(police) just had done
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.07,0:25:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,low level investigations,\Nwell, hu, you can trust them more or less
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.37,0:25:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least I think. The problem is, \Nhow believable is the statement of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.25,0:25:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Government, that the Verfassungsschutz
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.19,0:25:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not watch us? I mean who should've \Ncontrolled that?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.17,0:25:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want know more about the risks ask \N(mandatory drug cover statement)\Nthe victims of the NSU.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.83,0:25:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Neonazi underground killer group)\N{\i1}aplause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.17,0:26:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we had the problem, that many parts \Nof the government didn't...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.81,0:26:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have not told the truth in the media.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.60,0:26:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is Emily Haber, secretary of security \Nin the ministry of internal affairs,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.26,0:26:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said: "Well, yes, the president of the \NVerfassungsschutz has
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.14,0:26:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stopped at some point" and that was it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.41,0:26:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Else we had never known.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.39,0:26:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Afterwards it became clear, that half of \Nthe ministry for internal affairs
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.93,0:26:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was informed about the cases and \Ninvestigations and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.00,0:26:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Minister) Thomas de Maizière of course \Ndidn't noticed anything, Quote:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.00,0:26:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The necessary criminal investigation of \Nthe culprit or culprits only
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.62,0:26:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gain any political importance due to the \Nmedia coverage and discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.42,0:26:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which then made it necessary to \Npersonally inform the minister."
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.08,0:26:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is how you describe the system of \NThomas de Maizère.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.91,0:26:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fun Fact: The husband of Emily Haber is a \Ndiplomat, who was spied on
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.59,0:26:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of the BND-Selectors \Nscandal.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.36,0:26:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, then there was a huge \N"Bundespressekonferenz" about this \N(press conference with deputies of the government)
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.31,0:26:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Monday, after we published it, \Nover one hour with a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.82,0:27:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. Here the Speaker for the BMI \Nwas like: "Well I talked to everyone,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.23,0:27:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had a relevant position, and nobody \Nknew anything" right?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.83,0:27:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a most brilliant rhetoric, in other \Nwords: obfuscation tactic.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.11,0:27:18.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later it became clear: At least after \Nthe 21th April the government knew
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.03,0:27:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the plans and the investigations and\Nwe assume, that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.42,0:27:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they at that point they discussed \Nstrategies.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.70,0:27:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But who took part, we don't know, because \Nthe chancellery does not
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.85,0:27:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take records of such important meetings.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.32,0:27:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then the Green party questioned the \Nministers of the government
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.34,0:27:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one by one, whoms deputies had taken \Npart and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.85,0:27:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different ministries had to answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.15,0:27:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there deputies had been there, so it \Nwas possible to tell,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.17,0:27:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had been there, but none wanted to \Ntake responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.22,0:27:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In addition the Green party asked, if it \Nwas normal to talk about such
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.66,0:27:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,procedures with foreseeable large, \Npolitical meaning
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.52,0:27:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without reports or taking any records,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.61,0:28:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the government was like: \NWell, yes that's normal, no panic!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.31,0:28:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ministry of justice knew already two \Nmonths in advance
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.21,0:28:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the minister, who declared after the \Nmedia coverage then,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.56,0:28:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this had to be ended now very fast.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.46,0:28:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just wonder why didn't he do that \Nbefore?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.23,0:28:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I have to hurry!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.60,0:28:19.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's come to...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.91,0:28:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-hu? Never happened before!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.63,0:28:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Need a new Laptop!-
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.78,0:28:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do we learn?\NOur requests:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.51,0:28:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First off, we need a new definition of \Nofficial secrets.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.77,0:28:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the moment the authorities decide for \Nthemself, what is a secret, and we think
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.24,0:28:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is wrong! We need a new definition \Nof "Staatsgeheimnis",
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.06,0:28:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that developments of history in the \Npublic interest are not
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.67,0:28:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secrets and are not covered by either\N§94 "Landesverrat",
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.79,0:28:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or §95 "Offenbarung von Staatsgeheimissen"\N(revealing of official secrets)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.42,0:28:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NThat would help journalists,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.10,0:28:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be threatened by this sword of Damocles\N(A danger constantly hovering over you).
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.29,0:29:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need a protection of whistle blowers \Nact, that deserved that name!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.48,0:29:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany is a developing country, when it \Ncomes to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.16,0:29:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That can not be!\Nyeayea, I'll hurry!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.82,0:29:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Besides we were lucky, Andre and I are \Nboth professional journalists in our
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.75,0:29:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,editorial office, but there are others, \Nwho write
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.07,0:29:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us voluntarily. If they had published \Nthis story,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.57,0:29:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wouldn't have had the same rights \Nwe did, for example
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.34,0:29:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had not right to remain silent, or\Nbetter a court
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.68,0:29:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to clarify that, if they have, because \N
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.13,0:29:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The legal definition for freedom of the \Npress talks about profession.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.83,0:29:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We say: Freedom of the press has to apply \Nfor everyone, who submits to journalistic
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.80,0:29:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standards and duties and work as a \Njournalist and not just for those,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.08,0:29:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do this for money!\N{\i1}huge applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.73,0:30:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also to insure the protection of the \Nsources,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.71,0:30:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Telecommunications data retention \Nhas to go! There are many other reasons
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.51,0:30:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that, but I say it now just from a \Njournalistic perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.65,0:30:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NAnd most importantly the new law against
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.22,0:30:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Datenhelerei" has to go! And we will \Nsupport a lawsuit against it!
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.44,0:30:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to quit mass surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.83,0:30:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to control the secret services!
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.83,0:30:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the real Scandal, besides \N"Landesverrat" is,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.32,0:30:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that two years after the Snowden leaks
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.09,0:30:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is seen as test for future cases, \Nand the surveillance is increasing
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.90,0:30:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,massively supported by the government!\NWhat we wanted to say:
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.42,0:30:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Never give up! We will continue, despite \Nmass surveillance and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.49,0:30:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were a little disappointed that the \Ncampaign did not last so long,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.09,0:30:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had still a lot of ideas, what we \Ncould do.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.95,0:30:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would be glad to receive more documents \Nand as a Thanks for the investigations
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.78,0:30:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we leaked the BND-strategies for \Nextending the net surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.45,0:30:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can read all on our page.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.01,0:31:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, Thanks to all of you\Nfor your support!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.99,0:31:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It helped a great deal to have so many \Nsupporters
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.20,0:31:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the civil society, in the media, \Nin our communities
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.49,0:31:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else we would not have survived this.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.34,0:31:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you are in favour of our work, \Nyou can support us:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.69,0:31:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,netzpolitik.org/spenden or we have\Nleft over some
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.29,0:31:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very cool T-shirts and Hoodies and bags. \NThere are somewhere...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.14,0:31:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where are they? A right! Here in front. \NThere are stickers, too,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.17,0:31:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,featuring Hans-Georg Maaßen, else... \N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.62,0:31:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much! Do more "Landesverrat" \Nand have fun on the congress!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.72,0:31:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
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