WEBVTT 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:03.919 now the number of people fleeing wars 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:06.879 violence or civil disorder rose again 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:08.800 last year even as the coronavirus 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:10.559 pandemic brought much of the world 00:00:10.559 --> 00:00:14.320 to a standstill by the end of 2020 there 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:14.679 were 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.279 82.4 million people who were forcibly 00:00:17.279 --> 00:00:18.720 displaced from their homes that's 00:00:18.720 --> 00:00:19.279 according 00:00:19.279 --> 00:00:21.760 to the united nations refugee agency and 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:22.800 as you can see that is 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:24.720 double the number that it was a decade 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:26.880 ago more than two-thirds of those 00:00:26.880 --> 00:00:29.039 officially recognized as refugees 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.840 came from just five countries syria 00:00:31.840 --> 00:00:32.640 venezuela 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:36.079 afghanistan south sudan and myanmar 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:37.920 our next report takes us to pakistan 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:39.840 which has hosted hundreds of thousands 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:41.440 of afghan refugees 00:00:41.440 --> 00:00:45.840 for four decades 00:00:46.239 --> 00:00:48.640 a small grocery store in this refugee 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.719 camp in pakistan 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.719 every day he checks his income and 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.280 expenses 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.320 he was about the same age as this child 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.800 when his family fled afghanistan some 40 00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:02.239 years ago 00:01:02.239 --> 00:01:06.559 today it's a distant memory 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.680 we had to get out of afghanistan there 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:13.840 was a war going on 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.640 so when the situation became worse we 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:18.880 fled 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.040 pakistan we've been able to live here 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:27.840 ever since 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:32.040 afghanistan after the soviet invasion in 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:33.600 1979 00:01:33.600 --> 00:01:36.560 he has lived in the camp ever since it's 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:37.600 one of 20 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:40.079 in this province alone more than a 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.479 million afghans live in pakistan 00:01:42.479 --> 00:01:44.600 they're largely on their own 00:01:44.600 --> 00:01:47.670 [Music] 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:50.720 i would be lying if i said we got 00:01:50.720 --> 00:01:52.320 financial support 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:54.240 the truth is we don't get any aid from 00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:57.520 the pakistani government 00:02:00.960 --> 00:02:03.600 now for the first time pakistan is 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:06.159 registering the afghan refugees residing 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.758 in the country 00:02:09.758 --> 00:02:12.239 registered refugees are issued a 00:02:12.239 --> 00:02:16.000 biometric identity card 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.319 many children born here have never been 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:21.280 registered at all 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.120 it's hoped the data will give 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.520 international aid agencies a clearer 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:26.239 picture 00:02:26.239 --> 00:02:30.720 of the needs in the refugee community 00:02:32.640 --> 00:02:35.360 this exercise we are collecting a most 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.080 updated 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.360 information of afghan refugees such as 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.400 education level vocational 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:45.519 skills also maybe language also 00:02:45.519 --> 00:02:46.800 vulnerability 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.200 and this updated information is also 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:50.160 going to assist 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:54.000 us to better design from our activities 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.040 not only in pakistan but in afghanistan 00:02:57.040 --> 00:03:01.360 when they return to afghanistan 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.440 pakistani authorities have tried to 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:06.080 encourage refugees to return home 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.800 nadine jazz is interviewing families to 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:10.879 see if they're ready to make the move 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.760 after nato troops leave afghanistan 00:03:13.760 --> 00:03:16.840 their new id cards are only valid until 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.840 2023 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.159 in a questionnaire they're asked if the 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:23.920 situation in afghanistan 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:27.040 normalizes then do they want to leave 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:28.799 ninety percent of the refugees answer 00:03:28.799 --> 00:03:31.120 with a no they do not want to go back to 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.840 their home country 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.200 for baha'i khan one thing is clear 00:03:37.200 --> 00:03:39.440 he will only return home if there's 00:03:39.440 --> 00:03:41.280 peace 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.400 they are the caminantes or walkers 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.720 millions of them have left venezuela 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:48.640 fleeing the country's humanitarian 00:03:48.640 --> 00:03:49.760 crisis 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:52.400 now some of them are going back the 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.319 pandemic and political turmoil in 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.480 neighboring colombia has prompted a wave 00:03:56.480 --> 00:03:57.680 of venezuelans 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:59.920 worn down by economic hardship to make 00:03:59.920 --> 00:04:02.799 the journey home 00:04:04.239 --> 00:04:06.000 i left with the goal of succeeding and 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.680 helping my family but now 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:09.920 prices are too high in colombia i could 00:04:09.920 --> 00:04:12.799 not make ends meet 00:04:12.799 --> 00:04:14.640 luis arias just made it back to 00:04:14.640 --> 00:04:16.798 venezuela after walking for two weeks 00:04:16.798 --> 00:04:18.320 with his family from the colombian 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:19.759 capital bogota 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:22.160 they survived on goodwill along the way 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:23.199 but that dried up 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.320 when they crossed the border 00:04:26.320 --> 00:04:29.600 the situation at home is dire ngos say 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.199 that the country needs much more 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:32.320 international aid 00:04:32.320 --> 00:04:35.120 to stave off crippling hunger financing 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:35.919 has been 00:04:35.919 --> 00:04:39.040 way below what is necessary in regards 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.120 to the dimensions of the crisis in the 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:41.759 country 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:45.759 the numbers are shameful 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.160 even the aid that does reach venezuela 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:49.919 is hard to distribute 00:04:49.919 --> 00:04:52.240 activist efforts are often hampered by 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.680 fuel shortages 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.400 violence corruption and political 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:58.800 meddling 00:05:00.320 --> 00:05:02.560 according to the world food program 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.479 venezuela is among the four 00:05:04.479 --> 00:05:06.800 worst countries in the world with food 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.080 insecurity 00:05:08.080 --> 00:05:09.680 and the u.n predicts that by the end of 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.280 this year seven 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:13.440 million people could have left venezuela 00:05:13.440 --> 00:05:15.520 making it the second largest migration 00:05:15.520 --> 00:05:18.560 after syria yet humanitarian aid for 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:19.520 venezuela 00:05:19.520 --> 00:05:22.639 is at its minimum andreina bermudez 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.479 thought about joining the exodus 00:05:24.479 --> 00:05:27.280 but says the risk was and is too high 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:29.600 with young children 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.520 through her eldest daughter's school her 00:05:31.520 --> 00:05:33.520 family received food and educational 00:05:33.520 --> 00:05:36.080 supplies from unicef until december 00:05:36.080 --> 00:05:38.160 now they're hoping more aid can restart 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.720 the program 00:05:42.479 --> 00:05:44.080 i noticed that when we received the aid 00:05:44.080 --> 00:05:46.080 many parents were happy and thankful 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:47.759 mostly for the food because we could 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:49.440 give the children in our school 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:53.840 a balanced meal 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:56.639 to make ends meet this stay-at-home mom 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.960 relies on what she can't find 00:05:58.960 --> 00:06:01.440 today a neighbor has extra eggs for sale 00:06:01.440 --> 00:06:05.440 but the supply of cheap food is sporadic 00:06:05.440 --> 00:06:07.360 we cannot buy imported products in 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.680 regular supermarkets at dollar prices 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.680 so we have to settle for small markets 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:12.720 near home 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.039 vegetable merchants and places that sell 00:06:15.039 --> 00:06:17.919 at better prices 00:06:19.840 --> 00:06:22.000 that is the venezuela the caminantes are 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:23.680 walking home to 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:25.759 a country still ravaged by economic 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:26.960 decline 00:06:26.960 --> 00:06:28.720 it's people still struggling to feed 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:30.720 themselves still waiting for 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.000 international help 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.000 can speak now to chris melser he's a 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.960 spokesperson for the un's refugee agency 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:40.400 good morning chris thank you for joining 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:42.400 us we just saw a report 00:06:42.400 --> 00:06:45.600 there with afghans who who fled conflict 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.280 and your report shows the bear's 00:06:47.280 --> 00:06:49.199 mentioning again that the number of 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:49.919 people who 00:06:49.919 --> 00:06:51.280 have been forced to flee their homes 00:06:51.280 --> 00:06:53.919 rose again despite the pandemic so 00:06:53.919 --> 00:06:55.680 what are the biggest drivers behind this 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.680 rise 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.599 yeah this is indeed these were very very 00:06:59.599 --> 00:07:01.199 depressing numbers and 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:03.759 you already mentioned that um more than 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:05.919 two-thirds of the refugees are only from 00:07:05.919 --> 00:07:07.520 from five countries and 00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:10.080 the most of the of the refugees are 00:07:10.080 --> 00:07:11.120 still from syria 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.160 six point seven million um the 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:15.840 another hotspot is for example is 00:07:15.840 --> 00:07:17.199 venezuela where 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.599 also millions of people flew that 00:07:19.599 --> 00:07:20.240 country 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.240 afghanistan south sudan these are all 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.720 these these drivers of the development 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.680 um the the plus is this year not not 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.599 that big like in other years but 00:07:29.599 --> 00:07:33.199 yes 82.4 million this is the the 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.440 complete all the inhabitants of germany 00:07:35.440 --> 00:07:36.319 or um 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.599 one percent of the human kind is is 00:07:39.599 --> 00:07:43.520 now refugee or internal displaced person 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:45.680 and chris where are the majority of 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.199 these refugees ending up 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.120 and are they able to stay where they end 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:50.960 up 00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:52.240 well the last question is a very 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.240 important question still the biggest 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.319 host country for refugees is turkey with 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.960 3.7 million refugees who found 00:07:58.960 --> 00:07:59.759 protection there 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.280 most of them from from syria colombia is 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:04.319 another country 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:07.759 who accepted millions of people pakistan 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.800 as you mentioned in the um in the report 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.080 uganda and germany is 00:08:12.080 --> 00:08:15.280 number five with 1.2 million refugees 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:16.720 farming protection in germany 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.000 but don't make a mistake 86 percent of 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.199 all the refugees 86 are in developing 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:24.000 countries 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:25.919 and these are very often also countries 00:08:25.919 --> 00:08:29.039 who also suffer of problems with 00:08:29.039 --> 00:08:31.280 malnutrition and other things but anyway 00:08:31.280 --> 00:08:32.080 they are hosting 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.200 almost 9 out of 10 refugees another 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.039 staggering number chris is that 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:38.958 more than 40 percent of those who are 00:08:38.958 --> 00:08:40.080 fleeing are children 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.000 many are born as refugees many are 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:43.200 stateless 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.440 what kind of impact does that have on 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.399 these children's futures 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.560 this is also depressing and i was many 00:08:50.560 --> 00:08:52.640 refugee camps in bangladesh 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:54.240 i'm just returned from ethiopia and i've 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.000 heard from several 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.880 refugees around the world actually 00:08:58.880 --> 00:09:00.160 parents telling me 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:02.080 forget us we are a lost generation they 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.680 do something for our children give them 00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:05.760 education they have a chance 00:09:05.760 --> 00:09:07.040 well we don't want to give up the 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:09.519 parents generation as well but indeed 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.640 education is the key factor for the for 00:09:12.640 --> 00:09:13.680 the children so these 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:15.680 refugees will not stay refugees that 00:09:15.680 --> 00:09:18.000 they become engineers pilots 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.959 doctors whatever um handyman but at 00:09:20.959 --> 00:09:22.720 least that they have a future and that's 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.640 why this is also priority for us 00:09:24.640 --> 00:09:26.720 unfortunately quite often we do not have 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.480 enough money to give more than just 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.160 basic education 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:32.160 yeah that is indeed troubling and chris 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:33.920 i want to ask you about something we saw 00:09:33.920 --> 00:09:35.680 in a report the prospect of refugees 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:36.560 returning 00:09:36.560 --> 00:09:38.560 back to their home countries we've also 00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:40.480 seen denmark for example 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.640 declare parts of syria safe for refugees 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:44.320 to return so they're canceling residency 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:45.279 permits 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.680 so what happens to refugees who do 00:09:47.680 --> 00:09:49.519 return so what are conditions like for 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:51.279 them 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.200 well this is very very different from 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.720 from country to country when it comes to 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:55.279 syria 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.680 we don't think that syria is in any way 00:09:57.680 --> 00:10:00.160 um a safe place again that you can 00:10:00.160 --> 00:10:02.640 return refugees against their word to 00:10:02.640 --> 00:10:03.839 syria 00:10:03.839 --> 00:10:05.839 in other places it might be possible for 00:10:05.839 --> 00:10:07.600 example about a quarter million of 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.680 refugees returned last year and this is 00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:11.360 of course a glimmer of hope 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.839 but unfortunately for for most of the 00:10:13.839 --> 00:10:14.959 refugees 00:10:14.959 --> 00:10:17.760 and about three quarters of all refugees 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:19.440 stay in the neighboring countries always 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:20.240 and i hope to 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.160 go back where they where they come from 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:23.279 very soon 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.279 for many of them this is unfortunately 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:26.399 um not 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:29.360 a near-time solution and i do want to 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.200 come back to germany because you 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:32.480 mentioned that this is a country that 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:33.360 also hosts 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.200 millions of asylum seekers it did 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.600 register fewer asylum seekers last year 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:39.120 but the u.n high commissioner for 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.880 refugees philippa grandia said 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:43.519 inclusion is key so just briefly if you 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:44.640 can chris 00:10:44.640 --> 00:10:46.800 what is needed here to these tools that 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:48.480 are needed to make uh refugees in 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.880 germany feel at home 00:10:50.880 --> 00:10:52.640 we just talked to paul landfield he's a 00:10:52.640 --> 00:10:54.560 refugee in austria but i think it's the 00:10:54.560 --> 00:10:55.440 same thing 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.720 um who came from hungary modern 60 years 00:10:58.720 --> 00:10:59.200 ago 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.920 and he's now a well-known journalist in 00:11:01.920 --> 00:11:03.120 austria and he said 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.200 integration is a key because refugees 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:06.160 are a treasure 00:11:06.160 --> 00:11:08.480 so that's why refugees learn the 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:09.200 language 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.240 try to to to use your chances that also 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.480 the host community the germany on that 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.320 case austria 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.000 used this treasure integrate the people 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.640 teach refugees language and so on and 00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:23.680 then 00:11:23.680 --> 00:11:25.279 this is the best you can do because 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.519 integration is one part of the solution 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:28.000 for 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.560 the worldwide refugee problem chris 00:11:30.560 --> 00:11:32.959 melzer from the unhcr thank you for 00:11:32.959 --> 00:11:43.839 sharing your insights with us today 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.800 you