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I just want one bedroom.

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Just one?

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One. One bedroom.

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Want a pool, in the bedroom?

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No. Nah. Just get an apartment.

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Tell me about your lifestyle.

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You just mentioned[br]having an apartment.

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Yeah. Finally found one.

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Do you want a mansion[br]some day, or what?

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I kinda doubt it.

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[Laughs]

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Uh. Two rooms will be enough.

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One for all my junk,

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and one to sleep in.

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Yeah, all I need is,[br]a room to put

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all my toys[br]and comic books

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and guitars,[br]and a bedroom.

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Play in. Play room.

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Tell me about [br]your comic collection.

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I collect old comics

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from 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s.

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And new comics, too.

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They take up too much room[br]on the bus.

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[Laughs]

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So, when Kirk's not there,

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we go out and sell them.

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[Laughs] Awwwww.

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Is that what you collect

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in your spare time on tour?

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Yeah, well, I mean, you know,

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you roll into a city, [br]check out local comic stores.

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You know.

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Buy toys.

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You know, that sort of thing.

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That's what I do [br]in my spare time,

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when I'm at home.

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When I'm not playing guitar,[br]or whatever.

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We've done a couple of segments,

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called "Addicted to Style,"

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about fashion, and things.

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No!!!

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[Laughs]

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I know you guys are real high up[br]on the G. Q. list.

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Yeah.

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Um, describe your style.

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What.

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I hate shopping for clothes.

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Yeah, I hate shopping.

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I hate trying to match colors,

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so I just wear black and white.

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Yeah, comfortable clothes.

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Yeah, I just like dressing [br]comfortable.

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Don't really care[br]what it looks like.

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Not too hip [br]to the new fashion, y'know?

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[Laughs]

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There's a lot of people[br]who get really involved

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in new trends, and fashion.

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Spend a lot of money on clothes.[br]It's stupid.

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Yeah, what's the point.

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We dress for ourselves.

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We don't dress for[br]other people. Basically.

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Yeah. People go,

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"Whoa! It's the new fashion![br]Can I go buy it?"

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Yeah.

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And something they bought[br]last week

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is hanging in their closet, forever.

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Yeah, because it's "out of fashion."

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You guys wear the same clothes[br]on stage and off stage?

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Not the exact same ones.

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[Laughs]

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We wash them in between.

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Or they tend to smell bad.

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[Laughs]

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They're comfortable clothes.

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We don't feel a need[br]to dress up.

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We always forget.

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Yeah. Actually, we have[br]all sorts of glittery stage clothes,

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in the wardrobe case,

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but we always forget[br]to wear them.

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Always right on the opening song.

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[Both] "Damn! I forgot!"

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I always look over at James:

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"James, we forgot again."

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"Forgot my glittery robe. Dang!"

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Forgot my...boots.

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Tell me about the T shirts.

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Who goes first?

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James.

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Yeah.

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This is a homemade one.

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Some guy in the U. K. [br]made it for me.

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Misfits. It's off one of[br]their EPs. "Beware" EP.

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It's cool.

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This is a single[br]that a friend of mine...

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Can you start again?

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What's that?

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Can you start again.

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Oh. Okay.

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This is a T shirt

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of a single [br]that my friend,

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Glenn Danzig, put out.

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He was in Misfits.

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He's now in Samhain.

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It's called,

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"Who Killed Marilyn?"

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It's a pretty cool shirt.

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Marilyn, looking pretty, uh...

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...pretty dead.

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[Laughs]

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I mean, it's just...

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it's just like wearing shirts[br]of bands, you know,

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that you like and are[br]particularly supportive of, y'know.

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Free stuff.

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The Misfits' graphics[br]are really cool,

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like, the whole horror thing.

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I've got about 200 shirts at home.

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I wear five.

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You know?

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The rest just sit there.

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When I pack to go[br]on the road,

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I just pick out ten shirts,

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and throw it into [br]the suitcase,

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and I'm ready.

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[James] Let's go!

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Tell us about your manager

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buying the whole band[br]a million socks to wear.

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Ugh...uh...

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How did you know[br]about that?

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The socks I really don't like, too.

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The kind that don't even[br]go over your ankle.

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Ugh!

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Lars likes 'em, though.

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Because they've got[br]little tennis rackets on them.

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[Laughs]

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It's because we...

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we used to always[br]get our socks

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mixed up with each other,[br]you know.

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You'd go onto tour with like...

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[James loudly clears throat.]

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with ten perfect [br]sets of socks.

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You'd go out of the tour,

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all mismatched socks,[br]and stuff.

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Like blue and green ones,[br]unstretched.

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Someone doesn't cut their toenails,

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[Laughs]

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a sock comes back with [br]holes where the toes are.

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They come back from the wash,

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and they're stapled[br]together now.

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Yeah.

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Put 'em on,

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[Velcro noise]

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People would lose

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socks and stuff,

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so we'd go on stage

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with just one sock on.

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Bare foot in shoe.

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So, after months and months

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of petty bickering[br]about our socks,

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the manager just buys [br]a bunch of socks.

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Plus, we got some, uh...

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some, some...

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[Laughs]

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we had something

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take residence [br]in our wardrobe case.

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[Laughs, claps]

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And we had to oust[br]certain articles of clothing.

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Living organisms.

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Oust certain articles[br]of clothing.

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They were on tour with us.

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[Laughs]

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Friends on tour.

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[Laughs]

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Is there meat behind that story?

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Meat behind it?

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Meat in front of it.

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[Laughs]

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Just had some tour mascots

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[Laughs]

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that decided to take residence[br]in our wardrobe case.

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Tour mascot. Yeah.

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Among other places.

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[Laughs]

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Um, Kirk,

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tell me about your[br]Batman socks.

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Yeah.

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Aw, yeah, the best.

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Jason bought them for me.

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They're great.

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They're official Batman club socks.

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I wore them on stage in Japan

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along with my [br]fruit salad pants.

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[Laughs]

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Yeah the last gig was real fun.

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Yeah.

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A kid threw up, uh...

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[Laughs] A kid threw up...

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[Laughs]

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some pants for me to wear

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these shorts, like,

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[Coughs]

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tiger stripe felt.

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They were above his knees,[br]and they have a tail.

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Huge, too, and had a tail.

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I put them on.

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Over his stage pants.

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I had these shorts that

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looked like fruit salad[br]and spaghetti.

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That's the pattern[br]that's on the shorts.

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And he's a vegetarian.

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Yeah. And, like,

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they were above the knee too.

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And I was wearing my[br]official Batman socks with it.

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Nice, styling black socks.

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I was looking pretty stylish.

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Yeah. Quite the fashion rage.

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My Monkees T shirt.

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We played the encore that way.

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Yeah, and some guy gave me

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a little guitar.

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It's like this big.

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This is in Japan.

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Like, my Explorer[br]is the same.

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It's real small.

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I played it.

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It sounded better[br]than my other guitar.

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[Laughs]

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One last question.

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Fashion wise,

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what would you[br]love to get for Christmas?

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Sounds like "The Newlywed Game,"

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when I have to ask[br]these questions.

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Ah, geez.

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Ah, geez. I dunno.

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James, what would you get[br]Kirk for Christmas?

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Uhh...I dunno.

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You know what[br]I would get James?

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Did you ever see that

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publicity shot,

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in the Guinness Book[br]of World Records,

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for the world's fattest man?

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He's wearing a pair[br]of those overalls?

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That's what I would get James.

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A pair of those overalls.

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Yeah, so the whole band[br]could get in them

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at the same time.

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Go out drinking. Yeah!

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So you'd just have to pay[br]for one person.

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[Laughs]

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On the bus, in a cab.

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[Laughs]

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Thanks a lot.

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All right. Cool.

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Yeah, what's on?

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Was it the one

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where I'm sitting [br]babbling on the phone?

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Yeah.

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That's a lot different.

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Bobby our tour manager[br]was like, calling his ma,

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"I'm on TV!" you know?

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"Hey mom, I'm on TV!"

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Bobby, our tour manager,[br]was roaring.

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So funny. Like a rock star[br]road manager with sunglasses.

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"Well, I road manage the band."

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What have you guys been up to,[br]the past couple weeks?

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Just got back from Japan[br]a couple days ago.

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So that was it. Did ten days there.

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Yeah before that, as you might know,

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there was a couple weeks of auditions,

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and about, what, three days[br]of rehearsal?

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With him and then,[br]in at the deep end.

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We did a couple warm up gigs

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down in L. A.,

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opening for, uh...[br][snaps fingers]

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Metal Church!

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Yay, friends.

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Sitting over here,[br]clapping at us, off camera.

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We did these couple gigs there,

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then flipped to Japan, [br]right after that.

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We did five dates over there.

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How did that go?

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[Both] Roaring, brilliant, great.

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It was really comfortable.

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It was really cool.

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Kids were just mobbing us[br]everywhere, you know.

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Great fun. Nothing but.

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[Laughs]

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Lars, how is it different?

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Um, well, the obvious difference is,

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there is no support acts, ever.

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You go on at six, six thirty,

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which is a bit strange.

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Shows are over by 8:30.

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You're back at the hotel[br]about 8:30, going "Uhh."

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"What do we do now? Hey."

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But, um...

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I think one of the main differences is

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most of the audience is women.

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Girls. Female.

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And wherever you go,

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you have this mob of

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little ten year old Japanese girls,

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- With cameras, man.

0:10:14.031,0:10:15.904
following you around,[br]taking pictures,

0:10:15.904,0:10:17.701
and it's like everyone is so polite.

0:10:17.701,0:10:19.201
They give you gifts.

0:10:19.201,0:10:21.067
Timid, you know. Courteous.

0:10:21.067,0:10:22.351
It's cool.

0:10:22.351,0:10:24.525
But, the whole place is very...

0:10:24.525,0:10:27.169
there are no open spaces,[br]anywhere.

0:10:27.169,0:10:29.802
It got a bit claustrophobic,[br]at the end.

0:10:29.802,0:10:31.968
But, it was a lot of fun.

0:10:31.968,0:10:34.284
Yeah. [br]They stand in front of their seats.

0:10:34.284,0:10:37.401
They head bang while they are[br]standing up.

0:10:37.401,0:10:39.518
Think they are hip to[br]Metallica's music?

0:10:39.518,0:10:40.701
[Laughs]

0:10:40.701,0:10:42.482
Nothing like that [br]has been there.

0:10:42.482,0:10:45.019
Iron Maiden, [Judas] Priest,[br]and that, has been there.

0:10:45.019,0:10:47.634
But no new, intense,[br]raging metal band.

0:10:47.634,0:10:50.701
So, we got accepted really well.

0:10:50.701,0:10:52.655
Really a good thing.

0:10:52.655,0:10:54.050
[Laughs]

0:10:54.050,0:10:57.319
Talk about your upcoming[br]North American tour.

0:10:57.319,0:11:00.236
We're going out for,[br]how long...four weeks.

0:11:00.236,0:11:01.732
We're going out,

0:11:01.732,0:11:03.519
basically what we're doing is,

0:11:03.519,0:11:05.485
we're going out on Ozzy...

0:11:05.485,0:11:07.235
all the shows that we were

0:11:07.235,0:11:09.507
supposed to do with Ozzy,[br]that got canceled,

0:11:09.507,0:11:11.754
due to either Ozzy's throat,

0:11:11.754,0:11:15.534
or, some dates got canceled,

0:11:15.534,0:11:18.285
because he had to shoot [br]that film and whatever.

0:11:18.285,0:11:20.262
And, basically we're going out,

0:11:20.262,0:11:22.786
and doing all the markets[br]that we missed with him,

0:11:22.786,0:11:24.485
all those cities, which is like

0:11:24.485,0:11:25.619
all of Canada,

0:11:25.619,0:11:27.752
and stuff right here[br]on the east coast.

0:11:27.752,0:11:30.251
And then, some stuff[br]in the northwest area.

0:11:30.251,0:11:31.245
Seattle.

0:11:31.245,0:11:32.492
[Applause]

0:11:32.492,0:11:34.202
More clapping.[br]Our friends.

0:11:34.202,0:11:37.920
We're just basically[br]doing all the shows

0:11:37.920,0:11:40.503
and all the cities we haven't done,[br]with Ozzy.

0:11:40.503,0:11:42.635
And, then, we go to Europe[br]after that,

0:11:42.635,0:11:44.952
and do all the dates[br]that we missed

0:11:44.952,0:11:47.386
after the accident,[br]in Europe.

0:11:47.386,0:11:49.284
Do you guys feel nervous[br]at all?

0:11:49.284,0:11:52.775
Like, Jason? A band member[br]coming home?

0:11:52.775,0:11:57.202
Naw, I think we got over that.

0:11:57.202,0:12:00.187
Basically, I think it was really good[br]that we did those

0:12:00.187,0:12:01.986
warm up dates in L. A., because

0:12:01.986,0:12:04.319
what we wanted to do[br]is sort of ease him in,

0:12:04.319,0:12:07.053
instead of like, [br]jumping in the deep end in Japan.

0:12:07.053,0:12:10.303
So, like, first gig would be[br]in front of 4000 kids in Tokyo.

0:12:10.303,0:12:12.369
For me, I was very nervous,[br]the first gig,

0:12:12.369,0:12:13.752
at the country club.

0:12:13.752,0:12:15.303
And then, that was it.

0:12:15.303,0:12:17.002
And now it's just, y'know.

0:12:17.002,0:12:19.437
Each show has gotten better,[br]as we went.

0:12:19.437,0:12:21.986
It was cool that we got[br]to do Japan first.

0:12:21.986,0:12:25.353
Because of how comfortable it was,[br]for me especially,

0:12:25.353,0:12:27.419
because I feel a lot of pressure.

0:12:27.419,0:12:29.336
The kids are expecting so much.

0:12:29.336,0:12:33.469
To fill Cliff's shoes [br]is a really big thing.

0:12:33.469,0:12:35.528
It's kind of a weird thing for me,

0:12:35.528,0:12:37.172
but it's getting better each time.

0:12:37.172,0:12:38.335
These guys have made it

0:12:38.335,0:12:39.712
ultra comfortable for me.

0:12:39.712,0:12:41.499
More than I ever expected, really.

0:12:41.499,0:12:43.889
Tell me about your support group,[br]"Metal Church."

0:12:43.889,0:12:44.736
Who?

0:12:44.736,0:12:45.654
[Laughs]

0:12:45.654,0:12:46.576
Oh!

0:12:47.166,0:12:48.334
Come on.

0:12:48.334,0:12:49.702
Um...

0:12:49.702,0:12:52.385
Just hella good friends of ours,[br]from way back.

0:12:52.385,0:12:53.502
Yeah.

0:12:53.502,0:12:54.653
And, um...

0:12:54.653,0:12:56.853
It's always great to be touring with

0:12:56.853,0:12:58.519
bands that we get on with.

0:12:58.519,0:13:00.235
We've toured a lot in the past

0:13:00.235,0:13:01.979
with a band called "Armored Saint,"

0:13:01.979,0:13:04.486
which are really, really [br]good friends of ours, too.

0:13:04.486,0:13:06.100
When you're out for a long time,

0:13:06.100,0:13:08.055
it's good to have people[br]you get on with.

0:13:08.055,0:13:10.147
We've also done some[br]tours with people

0:13:10.147,0:13:11.777
that we didn't get on with[br]so much.

0:13:11.777,0:13:12.923
And, it's just good to

0:13:12.923,0:13:14.501
have people out with you

0:13:14.501,0:13:16.602
that you get on with[br]on a personal basis.

0:13:16.602,0:13:18.499
They're also opening for us

0:13:18.499,0:13:20.268
on all the European dates.

0:13:20.268,0:13:21.469
So, we will be with them

0:13:21.469,0:13:23.253
for, like, the next eight years.

0:13:23.253,0:13:24.220
Help!

0:13:24.220,0:13:25.470
[Laughs]

0:13:25.470,0:13:26.523
- One big party!

0:13:26.523,0:13:28.336
You're pretty much a no nonsense band.

0:13:28.336,0:13:29.685
Must be a nice complement.

0:13:29.685,0:13:30.903
Yeah.

0:13:30.903,0:13:32.287
I think they are...

0:13:32.287,0:13:34.903
Yesterday, I was talking to[br]someone in an interview,

0:13:34.903,0:13:36.029
and he asked me, like,

0:13:36.029,0:13:37.285
what bands I thought

0:13:37.285,0:13:38.763
had the same vibe as us,

0:13:38.763,0:13:40.585
in term of the way[br]we come across, and

0:13:40.585,0:13:42.003
the way we present ourselves,

0:13:42.003,0:13:43.819
just sort of general things, and

0:13:43.819,0:13:46.537
the first band I mentioned was[br]"Metal Church."

0:13:46.537,0:13:49.637
I mean, they're just like us.[br]Drunken idiots.

0:13:49.637,0:13:51.804
[Laughs]

0:13:51.804,0:13:53.386
Trying to stay on time.

0:13:53.386,0:13:57.569
How is this tour going to compare[br]to the tour you guys just got off of,

0:13:57.569,0:13:58.569
with Ozzy?

0:13:59.529,0:14:04.052
Well obviously the main difference[br]is that we are headlining.

0:14:04.052,0:14:07.654
We play an hour and 40 usually[br]when we headline.

0:14:07.654,0:14:11.507
On the Ozzy tour, the whole[br]day to day vibe

0:14:11.507,0:14:13.502
is a bit different, when you sort of

0:14:13.502,0:14:15.571
only play 50 minutes a night,

0:14:15.571,0:14:17.070
and when you go on at 7:30,

0:14:17.070,0:14:22.053
the way your day is scheduled in,

0:14:22.053,0:14:24.070
it's different when you headline.

0:14:24.070,0:14:27.089
But, both are obviously a lot of fun.

0:14:27.089,0:14:31.221
It's a bit more of a challenge.

0:14:31.221,0:14:33.873
You have to sort of watch [br]not to drink too much.

0:14:33.873,0:14:36.569
When you headline,[br]get a lot of sleep,

0:14:36.569,0:14:38.484
because we play an hour and 40,

0:14:38.484,0:14:40.404
we can really tell the difference.

0:14:40.404,0:14:43.020
In how we feel day to day,[br]and stuff like that.

0:14:43.020,0:14:46.504
Our energy level has got to[br]be the same, so, pace.

0:14:46.504,0:14:48.321
One of the cool things, also,

0:14:48.321,0:14:50.527
is that we're playing [br]some smaller places

0:14:50.527,0:14:52.467
than we did with Ozzy,

0:14:52.467,0:14:55.479
so it's good to feel [br]that energy exchange,

0:14:55.479,0:14:57.277
closer to the kids,

0:14:57.277,0:14:58.519
instead of like,

0:14:58.519,0:15:00.732
"Hey! We know there is[br]40,000 of you out there,

0:15:00.732,0:15:02.270
but we can't see [br]any of you."

0:15:02.270,0:15:04.720
So, we might as well[br]just play to ourselves.

0:15:04.720,0:15:07.518
I mean, we feed a lot off[br]the energy, and

0:15:07.518,0:15:09.724
the feedback that we get[br]from the kids.

0:15:09.724,0:15:11.471
It's like, we throw it out[br]at them,

0:15:11.471,0:15:12.955
they throw it back at us.

0:15:12.955,0:15:14.504
It's sort of like a circle.

0:15:14.504,0:15:15.920
It just sort of goes.

0:15:15.920,0:15:18.104
And it's good to play smaller places.

0:15:18.104,0:15:19.484
Four thousand seats.

0:15:19.484,0:15:22.522
That intimacy is important,[br]for a band like Metallica.

0:15:22.522,0:15:24.738
How do you get used to[br]not being able to see

0:15:24.738,0:15:25.988
past the tenth row?

0:15:25.988,0:15:27.735
How do you get yourself geared up

0:15:27.735,0:15:28.859
for a gig like that?

0:15:28.859,0:15:30.941
I notice you're playing[br]Maple Leaf Gardens,

0:15:30.941,0:15:32.507
which is like 15,000 seats?

0:15:32.507,0:15:33.507
12, 15? Yeah.

0:15:33.507,0:15:35.137
Yeah. Um...

0:15:35.137,0:15:36.605
I mean, you just try

0:15:36.605,0:15:38.259
and communicate as much

0:15:38.259,0:15:40.671
with the people you can[br]communicate with.

0:15:40.671,0:15:43.788
Like I said, you throw[br]a lot of it out there,

0:15:43.788,0:15:45.122
but it's really --

0:15:45.122,0:15:47.259
and obviously,[br]for the guys out front --

0:15:47.259,0:15:48.837
I'm a bit further back,

0:15:48.837,0:15:49.921
but I mean,

0:15:49.921,0:15:51.222
the guys out front,

0:15:51.222,0:15:53.489
with the long barricades[br]and stuff like that,

0:15:53.489,0:15:55.088
it sometimes can get difficult.

0:15:55.088,0:15:56.772
But you know they're out there.

0:15:56.772,0:15:59.188
We just try and... [sniff]

0:15:59.188,0:16:01.438
really play as aggressively as we can,

0:16:01.438,0:16:03.288
so it comes out, somehow.

0:16:03.288,0:16:05.922
Keep the closeness as much as possible,[br]yeah.

0:16:05.922,0:16:07.772
What if you guys weren't playing

0:16:07.772,0:16:09.723
in front of that many people?

0:16:09.723,0:16:11.122
[Laughs]

0:16:11.122,0:16:14.141
Then more people can hear your [br]mistakes.

0:16:14.141,0:16:17.856
No, I think there comes a point

0:16:17.856,0:16:21.004
where you get quite confident[br]with what you do.

0:16:21.004,0:16:23.290
Which is really good, because

0:16:23.290,0:16:26.005
it's like, the more confident

0:16:26.005,0:16:27.456
you are when you play,

0:16:27.456,0:16:28.689
it's like a thing,

0:16:28.689,0:16:30.263
that shows up in the music,

0:16:30.263,0:16:31.736
and the gig itself,

0:16:31.736,0:16:33.388
and you're a bit more relaxed,

0:16:33.388,0:16:35.372
instead of all uptight.

0:16:35.372,0:16:37.207
I think, when you reach a point of,

0:16:37.207,0:16:39.072
you know you're going to go out there

0:16:39.072,0:16:41.939
and do really well,[br]and good confidence,

0:16:41.939,0:16:44.823
it relaxes you in a different way.

0:16:44.823,0:16:46.340
I think you come across

0:16:46.340,0:16:49.517
as being more relaxed[br]and on the level,

0:16:49.517,0:16:50.952
instead of [gasp]

0:16:50.952,0:16:52.836
being all tense[br]and worried about

0:16:52.836,0:16:54.781
what you are doing.

0:16:54.781,0:16:57.329
Describe your relationship[br]to your fans.

0:16:59.389,0:17:02.456
On the level. Same level.

0:17:02.456,0:17:04.539
No, it's like, I mean, we're

0:17:04.539,0:17:06.505
just up on the stage playing,

0:17:06.505,0:17:09.018
but, I think that[br]we have a very, very

0:17:09.018,0:17:11.022
close relationship with...

0:17:11.022,0:17:12.973
I hate the word "fans," but

0:17:12.973,0:17:14.822
I mean, people that [br]buy our records,

0:17:14.822,0:17:16.473
and come to the gigs,[br]and whatever.

0:17:16.473,0:17:21.492
I think they really appreciate[br]the way we come across.

0:17:21.492,0:17:24.389
There is not any huge[br]pretentious differences.

0:17:24.389,0:17:26.856
We don't present ourselves[br]larger than life.

0:17:26.856,0:17:28.056
It's not this...

0:17:28.056,0:17:29.990
Which works fine for some bands,

0:17:29.990,0:17:34.606
they come across as[br]larger than life characters.

0:17:34.606,0:17:37.239
Or comic book heroes,[br]which is fine.

0:17:37.239,0:17:39.856
But for us, we seem to do[br]really well

0:17:39.856,0:17:42.706
on being on the level.

0:17:42.706,0:17:44.506
They know we are not

0:17:44.506,0:17:46.511
hard to find, [br]hard to get in touch with.

0:17:46.511,0:17:48.499
If they want to come up[br]and say hello.

0:17:48.499,0:17:50.190
I think a lot of times,

0:17:50.190,0:17:51.990
when you present yourself

0:17:51.990,0:17:53.255
as a larger than life

0:17:53.255,0:17:55.257
character or rock star,

0:17:55.257,0:17:56.373
it's like,

0:17:56.373,0:17:59.442
I think a lot of kids[br]are afraid to come up and hang out.

0:17:59.442,0:18:01.473
And lose that special touch.

0:18:01.473,0:18:03.824
And the people just come up[br]and hang out, cool.

0:18:03.824,0:18:06.446
We have a very easy going[br]relationship.

0:18:06.446,0:18:08.622
There is not huge differences.

0:18:08.622,0:18:11.924
We're just drunk kids playing.

0:18:11.924,0:18:13.824
So you're going to be the same,

0:18:13.824,0:18:16.191
if the next album goes[br]triple platinum?

0:18:17.471,0:18:18.751
Same old guys?

0:18:18.751,0:18:21.190
Why limit yourself[br]to triple platinum?

0:18:21.190,0:18:23.173
Let's see what happens.

0:18:23.173,0:18:24.726
I mean, obviously

0:18:24.726,0:18:26.252
there comes a point

0:18:26.252,0:18:28.251
where it becomes[br]more and more difficult.

0:18:28.251,0:18:31.259
That's one thing that really[br]irritated me about the Ozzy tour,

0:18:31.259,0:18:33.487
was that we're not used to[br]that much security.

0:18:33.487,0:18:36.441
We do small 2000 seaters, or

0:18:36.441,0:18:38.424
when we used to play clubs,

0:18:38.424,0:18:40.490
you just go out, and [br]mingle with the crowd.

0:18:40.490,0:18:41.880
Hang out and whatever.

0:18:41.880,0:18:43.940
All of the sudden,[br]you're playing arenas.

0:18:43.940,0:18:46.023
It's like, there is[br]eight security guards

0:18:46.023,0:18:48.957
between the bus, and[br]the entrance to the arena.

0:18:48.957,0:18:51.541
It's like, the distance[br]is this long.

0:18:51.541,0:18:54.607
I just don't like[br]all this security.

0:18:54.607,0:18:56.707
I hate feeling isolated.

0:18:56.707,0:18:58.940
But obviously, there comes a point

0:18:58.940,0:19:00.940
where it becomes physically [br]impossible

0:19:00.940,0:19:03.522
to talk to 5000 people at once.

0:19:03.522,0:19:05.990
But, we're going to[br]do what we can.

0:19:05.990,0:19:07.430
[Laughs]

0:19:07.430,0:19:09.707
Before I came by,

0:19:09.707,0:19:11.992
I looked at the last video[br]i did with you.

0:19:11.992,0:19:14.740
You talked about maintaining[br]the same basic principles,

0:19:14.740,0:19:16.236
from when you started.

0:19:16.236,0:19:17.953
What are those principles?

0:19:17.953,0:19:18.754
Um...

0:19:18.754,0:19:20.492
Well, I mean, you know,

0:19:20.492,0:19:22.787
it's not something that's[br]written down on paper

0:19:22.787,0:19:24.517
and like, we look at it every day.

0:19:24.517,0:19:25.790
But I mean, just

0:19:25.790,0:19:27.509
the general vibe within the band

0:19:27.509,0:19:29.142
is that with our situation

0:19:29.142,0:19:31.498
luckily, with management and the [br]record company,

0:19:31.498,0:19:33.508
We are very, very independent,

0:19:33.508,0:19:36.457
in terms of writing,[br]and doing our thing with songs,

0:19:36.457,0:19:37.541
and recording,

0:19:37.541,0:19:40.266
and the way we present ourselves,[br]and so forth.

0:19:40.266,0:19:43.991
And, some of those "principles" are

0:19:43.991,0:19:46.973
that we just really like[br]that independence that we have,

0:19:46.973,0:19:50.125
from sort of business associates.

0:19:50.125,0:19:53.241
And, it's great, and very satisfying

0:19:53.241,0:19:55.008
to be able to do what we want,

0:19:55.008,0:19:57.075
and do it the way we want to do it,

0:19:57.075,0:19:58.458
And not have a uniform.

0:19:58.458,0:20:01.891
And just make a lot of things[br]the way we feel we should do them.

0:20:01.891,0:20:08.225
I think we really want to stay[br]where we are

0:20:08.225,0:20:10.274
in terms of who we are as people.

0:20:10.274,0:20:13.392
Like I said, it's really irritating[br]with all the security,

0:20:13.392,0:20:16.675
and you try and stay[br]who you've always been.

0:20:16.675,0:20:20.809
Those are some things[br]you try and do.

0:20:20.809,0:20:23.524
You mentioned freedom[br]and independence.

0:20:23.524,0:20:25.425
How important is that[br]to you guys?

0:20:25.425,0:20:27.890
From a business point of view,[br]very.

0:20:27.890,0:20:32.059
I think we've shown, now,

0:20:32.059,0:20:33.791
that we can...

0:20:33.791,0:20:35.842
I think the "Master Puppets" album

0:20:35.842,0:20:39.225
was, from some of the[br]business people's point of view,

0:20:39.225,0:20:43.480
"We'll give them a chance[br]at doing what they want to do.

0:20:43.480,0:20:45.058
We'll see if it works."

0:20:45.058,0:20:46.392
Now, we've shown...

0:20:46.392,0:20:47.358
Proven it.

0:20:47.358,0:20:49.975
The album has gone gold.[br]Still doing very well.

0:20:49.975,0:20:54.175
The freedom now is,

0:20:54.175,0:20:55.975
we have these people's trust.

0:20:55.975,0:20:58.609
They don't interfere with [br]song writing,

0:20:58.609,0:21:00.673
and the way we want to record,

0:21:00.673,0:21:02.559
and who we want to record with.

0:21:02.559,0:21:04.444
This guy over here is laughing.

0:21:04.444,0:21:05.625
[Laughs]

0:21:05.625,0:21:08.458
The people I am talking about[br]are standing over here.

0:21:08.458,0:21:10.549
They're gonna buy me[br]dinner tonight.

0:21:10.549,0:21:13.118
[Laughs]

0:21:13.490,0:21:16.505
What were your thoughts about[br]the future of Metallica,

0:21:16.505,0:21:18.242
when Cliff passed away?

0:21:18.242,0:21:19.074
Um...

0:21:19.074,0:21:20.575
Mine were,

0:21:20.575,0:21:25.259
that I don't think there was any doubt[br]that we had to carry on,

0:21:25.259,0:21:27.042
and were going to carry on.

0:21:27.042,0:21:29.326
The immediate thoughts, [br]obviously, were,

0:21:29.326,0:21:33.142
how long it would take[br]to get the whole thing rolling again.

0:21:33.142,0:21:35.292
Looking back on it now,

0:21:35.292,0:21:38.542
it's really good that the [br]period of time has been so short.

0:21:38.542,0:21:41.192
The main things we decided,

0:21:41.192,0:21:43.025
when we met up again,

0:21:43.025,0:21:45.008
about a week after the accident,

0:21:45.008,0:21:47.509
was that we wanted to [br]do it as fast as possible,

0:21:47.509,0:21:51.506
which would sort of shorten[br]the time we could

0:21:51.506,0:21:54.026
sit around feeling sorry[br]for ourselves,

0:21:54.026,0:21:56.160
and moaning and groaning[br]and so forth.

0:21:56.160,0:21:58.493
And, we just wanted to[br]get back on the road,

0:21:58.493,0:22:00.432
and get back to doing[br]what we do,

0:22:00.432,0:22:02.777
which is play live[br]and tour and whatever.

0:22:02.777,0:22:05.676
- And that's what he[br]would've wanted.

0:22:05.676,0:22:06.560
Definitely.

0:22:06.560,0:22:07.992
I mean, he would be

0:22:07.992,0:22:10.109
the first person [br]to encourage it, anyway.

0:22:10.109,0:22:12.260
Metallica has always been about

0:22:12.260,0:22:16.493
fighting on, and fighting [br]against a lot of things

0:22:16.493,0:22:18.498
that have always been [br]in our way.

0:22:18.498,0:22:20.509
We've had some [br]bad accidents before,

0:22:20.509,0:22:22.210
with, James has broken this,

0:22:22.210,0:22:23.492
and I have broken that,

0:22:23.492,0:22:24.464
and bla, bla, bla.

0:22:24.464,0:22:25.436
- Which?

0:22:25.436,0:22:27.443
Hey! The old heel.

0:22:27.443,0:22:29.410
And, um, it's like,

0:22:29.410,0:22:30.942
we've just always been about

0:22:30.942,0:22:33.276
fighting on,[br]and sort of carrying on,

0:22:33.276,0:22:38.327
and going against all the[br]obstacles that come our way.

0:22:38.327,0:22:40.459
Obviously, we had never [br]encountered

0:22:40.459,0:22:41.908
anything like this before,

0:22:41.908,0:22:43.876
but, it's like,[br]we have to keep going.

0:22:43.876,0:22:45.694
I think the whole thing[br]has given us

0:22:45.694,0:22:47.875
even more incentive,[br]even more of a kick,

0:22:47.875,0:22:49.342
to really do it now,

0:22:49.342,0:22:50.876
because now, obviously

0:22:50.876,0:22:52.810
we have to do it for Cliff, too, man.

0:22:52.810,0:22:53.827
Yeah. Definitely.

0:22:53.827,0:22:55.193
And now, it's like,

0:22:55.193,0:22:57.132
there is no stopping us,[br]whatsoever.

0:22:57.132,0:22:59.550
Will the band change at all,[br]with Cliff's absence?

0:22:59.550,0:23:00.440
Obviously.

0:23:00.440,0:23:02.994
Yeah, it's going to be different,[br]because you just...

0:23:02.994,0:23:06.679
Part of the reason Metallica[br]did so well, or do so well,

0:23:06.679,0:23:10.778
is that four very strong,[br]individual characters.

0:23:10.778,0:23:13.710
Cliff was, as you know, [br]very, very unique,

0:23:13.710,0:23:15.361
both as a personality,

0:23:15.361,0:23:16.993
and as a bass player,

0:23:16.993,0:23:18.928
and very original[br]and different.

0:23:18.928,0:23:21.311
The first thing we realized

0:23:21.311,0:23:23.748
was that we were never,[br]ever going to find

0:23:23.748,0:23:25.271
anyone like Cliff,

0:23:25.271,0:23:27.751
so it wasn't like we were[br]looking for Cliff Burton

0:23:27.751,0:23:29.272
the 2nd or whatever.

0:23:29.272,0:23:32.064
We just needed a bass player[br]that would fit in.

0:23:32.064,0:23:34.760
Jason has a strong,[br]individual personality,

0:23:34.760,0:23:37.977
and we'll see what happens[br]when we start writing.

0:23:37.977,0:23:40.144
We don't write on the road,

0:23:40.144,0:23:41.678
so it's a little early[br]to tell.

0:23:41.678,0:23:43.761
So Jason,[br]how do you find these guys?

0:23:43.761,0:23:44.784
[Laughs]

0:23:44.784,0:23:46.028
I leave.

0:23:46.028,0:23:47.494
[Laughs]

0:23:47.494,0:23:49.111
They found me, pretty much.

0:23:49.111,0:23:52.429
When I heard they were[br]doing auditions,

0:23:52.429,0:23:55.159
three weeks after the accident[br]or whatever,

0:23:55.159,0:23:58.060
I called my friend Michael,

0:23:58.060,0:24:00.011
and we got together,

0:24:00.011,0:24:02.261
and I told him[br]I want to do an audition.

0:24:02.261,0:24:03.626
So Lars called me.

0:24:03.626,0:24:05.194
And, it went from there.

0:24:05.194,0:24:07.794
He told me I had four days[br]before an audition.

0:24:07.794,0:24:11.044
So, I locked myself[br]in my room with the tapes,

0:24:11.044,0:24:12.310
and just did it.

0:24:12.310,0:24:13.977
Learned everything I could,

0:24:13.977,0:24:16.677
and -- and, uh...

0:24:16.677,0:24:19.900
And. Went and kicked ass.

0:24:19.900,0:24:23.276
When I heard I had the chance,

0:24:23.276,0:24:25.626
there was no way[br]I wasn't going to get it.

0:24:25.626,0:24:28.960
I told myself, convinced myself,

0:24:28.960,0:24:31.961
there was no way that[br]I was gonna let this pass me by.

0:24:31.961,0:24:34.144
It's like a dream come true, really.

0:24:34.144,0:24:36.142
So. That's what it comes down to.

0:24:36.142,0:24:37.795
What do you bring to the band,

0:24:37.795,0:24:39.244
musically or philosophically?

0:24:39.244,0:24:41.394
Um...I'm just gonna try to create

0:24:41.394,0:24:43.678
the separate personality.

0:24:43.678,0:24:46.761
I mean, like he was saying,[br]everybody's got their own thing.

0:24:46.761,0:24:49.396
Kirk has his personality,[br]Lars has his, James.

0:24:49.396,0:24:52.528
And then, as a unit, they all[br]put one quarter in,

0:24:52.528,0:24:54.563
to make the ultimate [br]unit, right?

0:24:54.563,0:24:56.527
I'm just gonna fill [br]my 25 %

0:24:56.527,0:24:58.161
over here on this side,

0:24:58.161,0:24:59.749
and create my own[br]personality, and

0:24:59.749,0:25:01.498
as far as the bass playing,

0:25:01.498,0:25:03.078
I'm just gonna do[br]my own style.

0:25:03.078,0:25:05.234
Like Lars told me,[br]and he was saying,

0:25:05.234,0:25:07.490
they were not looking for[br]a Cliff Burton clone.

0:25:07.490,0:25:08.714
It would be impossible.

0:25:08.714,0:25:10.738
And, there was no way[br]it ever could happen.

0:25:10.738,0:25:11.781
So, I'm just gonna

0:25:11.781,0:25:12.745
[A man coughs.]

0:25:12.745,0:25:15.144
play my own style, and[br]do my thing.

0:25:15.144,0:25:17.104
It seems to be[br]working just fine.

0:25:17.104,0:25:19.450
I think the writing[br]is going to be cool.

0:25:23.447,0:25:25.778
Where were we?

0:25:25.778,0:25:27.181
Your background.

0:25:27.181,0:25:30.779
Okay. I came from[br]a band called Flotsam and Jetsam.

0:25:30.779,0:25:32.495
Out of Phoenix, Arizona.

0:25:32.495,0:25:34.461
We just put out[br]the first album,

0:25:34.461,0:25:35.794
back in the summer.

0:25:35.794,0:25:39.412
I formed the band with[br]drummer Kelly Smith.

0:25:39.412,0:25:42.894
We started it about[br]four and a half years ago.

0:25:42.894,0:25:45.746
We went through many people,

0:25:45.746,0:25:47.112
many guitar players,

0:25:47.112,0:25:48.896
until the right thing[br]came together.

0:25:48.896,0:25:50.512
Did the "Doomsday" album,

0:25:50.512,0:25:52.862
and it's been getting[br]really good reviews.

0:25:52.862,0:25:54.646
That's pretty much it.

0:25:54.646,0:25:57.312
The style has been[br]compared to Metallica.

0:25:57.312,0:26:00.812
They definitely had[br]a heavy influence on it.

0:26:00.812,0:26:02.928
It was like an [br]Iron Maiden, Metallica

0:26:02.928,0:26:04.079
type of thing.

0:26:04.079,0:26:05.897
What was your reaction

0:26:05.897,0:26:08.464
when you found out[br]you were the new bass player?

0:26:08.464,0:26:10.630
Uh, we were in this[br]little restaurant

0:26:10.630,0:26:12.546
on my call back day.

0:26:12.546,0:26:14.129
It was the second audition.

0:26:14.129,0:26:18.028
Went into this little[br]food joint.

0:26:18.028,0:26:21.144
Tommy's Joint, in Frisco.

0:26:21.144,0:26:23.438
Thought we could eat there[br]for free.

0:26:23.448,0:26:24.448
[Laughs]

0:26:24.458,0:26:26.229
My final test

0:26:26.229,0:26:28.212
was to go out drinking[br]with the boys.

0:26:28.212,0:26:30.412
Then, Lars asked me[br]if I wanted a job.

0:26:30.412,0:26:33.628
I stood up on the table,[br]and screamed.

0:26:33.628,0:26:36.030
We didn't realize

0:26:36.030,0:26:37.795
we hadn't brought[br]any money along,

0:26:37.795,0:26:39.230
to pay for the bills.

0:26:39.230,0:26:41.521
We might wind up[br]washing the dishes.

0:26:41.521,0:26:42.917
James goes,[br]"want a job?"

0:26:42.917,0:26:44.215
I go [screams],

0:26:44.215,0:26:45.239
and James goes,

0:26:45.239,0:26:47.211
"Good. You're gonna be[br]the bass roadie."

0:26:47.211,0:26:49.250
Do that again.[br]That sound again.

0:26:49.250,0:26:50.129
No.

0:26:50.129,0:26:51.911
Okay so, anyway,[br]that was it.

0:26:51.911,0:26:53.962
They asked me, and[br]I just freaked.

0:26:53.962,0:26:55.595
It was a dream come true.

0:26:55.595,0:26:57.761
I looked up to these guys[br]for a long time,

0:26:57.761,0:26:59.492
so it was kind of [br]unbelievable.

0:26:59.492,0:27:01.523
It was like going,[br]"What? What?"

0:27:01.523,0:27:04.945
Watching you guys,[br]I see a sense of abuse from Lars.

0:27:04.945,0:27:07.456
Sense of abuse from everyone.[br]Everyone.

0:27:07.456,0:27:08.527
[Lars claps.]

0:27:08.527,0:27:10.226
They treat you like that?

0:27:10.226,0:27:12.598
Everybody. It's not just[br]the band guys, either.

0:27:12.598,0:27:13.362
Come on.

0:27:13.362,0:27:15.489
You can't expect to[br]walk into this situation,

0:27:15.489,0:27:17.285
not get a little flak[br]once in a while.

0:27:17.285,0:27:19.272
The crew, production people,[br]everybody.

0:27:19.272,0:27:20.086
Winding me up.

0:27:20.086,0:27:22.512
But I have expected it,[br]and learned to deal with it.

0:27:22.512,0:27:23.879
It's called having fun.

0:27:23.879,0:27:26.029
It's not a big deal, but[br]the big deal is like,

0:27:26.029,0:27:27.728
when I give them[br]a hard time back,

0:27:27.728,0:27:29.245
they can't deal with it.

0:27:29.245,0:27:30.197
Hey.

0:27:30.197,0:27:32.563
No seriously though.

0:27:32.563,0:27:34.487
I'm supposed to be[br]able to take it,

0:27:34.487,0:27:36.046
then when I give it[br]back to them,

0:27:36.046,0:27:37.774
they're like, [whiny noises.]

0:27:37.774,0:27:41.066
You know? But I expect it.[br]It's getting better.

0:27:41.066,0:27:42.799
At first, it was really harsh.

0:27:42.799,0:27:44.395
But now it's all right.

0:27:44.395,0:27:46.540
Lars, how important[br]is having fun?

0:27:46.540,0:27:49.258
That's all about it.[br]- That's it.

0:27:49.258,0:27:51.245
That's what it's all about.

0:27:52.075,0:27:55.145
What's the story for Metallica[br]in 1987?

0:27:55.145,0:27:56.145
Umm...

0:27:56.145,0:27:59.506
Well, first we make up[br]all the European dates,

0:27:59.506,0:28:01.078
like I told you before,

0:28:01.078,0:28:02.312
January, February.

0:28:02.312,0:28:04.412
All the remaining dates[br]that were cancelled.

0:28:04.412,0:28:05.830
And, um, then

0:28:05.830,0:28:08.763
it's just back to writing[br]and recording the next record.

0:28:08.763,0:28:11.545
It's a little early[br]to say much more than that.

0:28:11.545,0:28:13.264
We're just going to start writing,

0:28:13.264,0:28:15.146
and getting the ideas together,

0:28:15.146,0:28:16.263
and so forth.

0:28:16.263,0:28:18.339
We've been talking, all year,

0:28:18.339,0:28:21.030
about trying to shorten[br]that whole period.

0:28:21.030,0:28:23.415
But, we will have to see[br]what happens.

0:28:23.415,0:28:25.946
Last time, it took a year

0:28:25.946,0:28:27.831
to write, and record[br]the master.

0:28:27.831,0:28:30.345
And, there was a lot of time,

0:28:30.345,0:28:34.046
not wasted, but places where[br]we maybe could have

0:28:34.046,0:28:36.730
moved it along a bit faster.[br][Laughs]

0:28:36.730,0:28:38.796
So, we'll see what happens.

0:28:38.796,0:28:41.079
It's easier to sit and [br]say this now.

0:28:41.079,0:28:44.446
Do you feel any pressure[br]to match the success of that album?

0:28:44.446,0:28:45.854
Uhh....

0:28:47.094,0:28:48.768
Nnnnot right now.

0:28:48.768,0:28:49.526
No.

0:28:49.526,0:28:51.782
I think this is going to be...[br]a sort of...

0:28:51.782,0:28:54.532
because on each album, [br]we sort of progress

0:28:54.532,0:28:56.462
in whatever way[br]that we feel like.

0:28:56.462,0:28:58.597
Like I told you before,[br]there is no pressure

0:28:58.597,0:29:02.148
from any business people[br]or anything,

0:29:02.148,0:29:04.482
to do something specific.

0:29:04.482,0:29:06.164
So I mean because of[br]that freedom,

0:29:06.164,0:29:08.517
we can go in whatever direction[br]we want.

0:29:08.517,0:29:11.228
Should be interesting[br]to see what happens,

0:29:11.228,0:29:12.228
for the next record.

0:29:12.228,0:29:14.396
How do you guys[br]measure success?

0:29:14.396,0:29:15.742
Or do you care?

0:29:15.742,0:29:20.498
[Silence.]

0:29:20.498,0:29:22.745
Any suggestions?[br]From around the room?

0:29:22.745,0:29:24.251
- No![br][Laughs]

0:29:24.251,0:29:25.771
Um, it's just [br]cool, that...

0:29:25.771,0:29:28.250
I mean, it's not something[br]we think too much about,

0:29:28.250,0:29:29.972
obviously, on a day to day basis.

0:29:29.972,0:29:31.499
But, when people ask,

0:29:31.499,0:29:33.282
it's like, it's cool that we've

0:29:33.282,0:29:34.892
been able to do it our way,

0:29:34.892,0:29:36.700
and not really,[br]sort of...

0:29:37.220,0:29:39.815
we haven't really had to[br]change or alter what we do,

0:29:39.815,0:29:40.995
to suit anyone.

0:29:40.995,0:29:42.762
There's not been[br]any changes made,

0:29:42.762,0:29:44.758
in anything[br]that we do,

0:29:44.758,0:29:47.282
to sort of cater to[br]anyone else's needs.

0:29:47.282,0:29:49.049
That's very satisfying,

0:29:49.049,0:29:50.831
that we've been able to

0:29:50.831,0:29:53.148
go gold in America, Canada,[br]and so forth,

0:29:53.148,0:29:55.215
and really know that[br]we've done it our way,

0:29:55.215,0:29:57.415
that it's not been[br]any compromises,

0:29:57.415,0:30:01.547
to do anything to sell [br]more records, or whatever.

0:30:01.547,0:30:03.081
To please somebody.

0:30:03.081,0:30:06.581
And, that is success, to me.

0:30:06.581,0:30:08.532
You know, that's...cool.

0:30:08.532,0:30:12.275
I think the new stuff[br]is gonna be way good.

0:30:12.275,0:30:15.296
It's gonna be up to standard,[br]even from the little bit

0:30:15.296,0:30:18.761
of stuff I've heard,[br]that James and Kirk

0:30:18.761,0:30:20.415
are coming up with.

0:30:20.415,0:30:23.498
It's gonna be[br]easily up to standard.

0:30:23.498,0:30:24.950
There's no doubt.

0:30:24.950,0:30:27.116
We're television.

0:30:27.116,0:30:29.032
Tell me about the new video!

0:30:29.032,0:30:30.514
Oh, yeah!

0:30:30.514,0:30:31.456
[Laughs]

0:30:31.456,0:30:33.469
What do you mean,[br]you didn't get it, yet?

0:30:33.469,0:30:34.948
This is it.

0:30:34.948,0:30:36.500
You're not playing it?

0:30:36.500,0:30:38.279
What, the tape didn't get there?

0:30:38.279,0:30:40.246
Maybe it got lost in the mail?

0:30:40.246,0:30:42.116
No. Videos.

0:30:45.886,0:30:48.260
[Laughs]

0:30:48.260,0:30:50.382
No, there has not been[br]a huge need for one,

0:30:50.382,0:30:51.699
at the moment.

0:30:51.699,0:30:53.214
Or at least, [br]up until now.

0:30:53.214,0:30:54.366
We keep saying,

0:30:54.366,0:30:55.950
"Well, next album,[br]we'll do one."

0:30:55.950,0:30:57.508
So. See what happens. Heh.

0:30:57.508,0:31:00.147
What about doing something[br]live, for your fans?

0:31:00.147,0:31:01.932
I'm sure there is[br]a demand for it.

0:31:01.932,0:31:05.068
Yeah, we actually talked about that[br]too, at one point.

0:31:05.068,0:31:08.515
But, we always talk about this

0:31:08.515,0:31:10.550
in the back lounge[br]of the tour bus,

0:31:10.550,0:31:11.482
with our manager,

0:31:11.482,0:31:12.832
but it never seems to

0:31:12.832,0:31:14.348
get any further than that.

0:31:14.348,0:31:16.116
[Laughs] Um...

0:31:16.116,0:31:17.929
That would be the cool thing,[br]a live.

0:31:17.929,0:31:21.632
Any kind of studio type thing would be,[br]ugh.

0:31:21.632,0:31:24.983
In the article in "Spin" magazine,

0:31:24.983,0:31:28.681
interesting bit about[br]your open-minded parents.

0:31:28.681,0:31:30.665
Tell me about that.

0:31:30.665,0:31:33.282
[Laughs] Oh. Um...

0:31:33.282,0:31:34.830
My open-minded parents?

0:31:34.830,0:31:37.433
They are just a little different[br]than other parents.

0:31:37.433,0:31:38.599
I would say.

0:31:38.599,0:31:43.364
Um, my dad is a fairly different[br]dad.

0:31:43.364,0:31:46.778
He, to this day, has got [br]longer hair than I have.

0:31:46.778,0:31:51.432
A hella long beard,[br]down to his navel.

0:31:51.432,0:31:54.351
[Laughs] And, um...

0:31:54.351,0:31:58.007
He was a professional[br]tennis player,

0:31:58.007,0:32:00.209
up through the 1950s[br]and 1960s,

0:32:00.209,0:32:01.814
and traveled [br]all over the world.

0:32:01.814,0:32:04.764
So I had to travel a lot[br]when I was growing up.

0:32:04.764,0:32:07.649
He was, in the same sense[br]that Metallica is

0:32:07.649,0:32:12.534
very different from the rest[br]of the normal heavy metal stuff,

0:32:12.534,0:32:15.833
he was a very different[br]tennis player,

0:32:15.833,0:32:18.335
on a predominantly very[br]white and conservative

0:32:18.335,0:32:19.566
tennis circuit,

0:32:19.566,0:32:21.334
back in the 1960s and 1970s.

0:32:21.334,0:32:23.317
He was sort of the different one,

0:32:23.317,0:32:26.535
the hippie guy, with the long hair,[br]and different attitudes,

0:32:26.535,0:32:27.767
and so forth.

0:32:27.767,0:32:30.301
It was this different[br]kind of upbringing.

0:32:30.301,0:32:31.833
Different parents.

0:32:31.833,0:32:34.669
My mom still can outdrink me,[br]any day of the week.

0:32:34.669,0:32:36.450
And even James, too. [br][Laughs]

0:32:36.450,0:32:39.515
And, y'know, cool,[br]cool parents.

0:32:39.515,0:32:42.228
What was their reaction[br]when you brought home

0:32:42.228,0:32:43.601
"Kill 'Em All?"

0:32:43.601,0:32:45.051
"Look, Mom? Look, Dad?"

0:32:45.051,0:32:49.285
A lot of that stuff, [br]in the early days,

0:32:49.285,0:32:51.049
with demo tapes...

0:32:51.049,0:32:53.483
me and James[br]used to do a lot of that,

0:32:53.483,0:32:56.551
ourselves. We used to do it[br]over at my house.

0:32:56.551,0:32:59.168
So, it was not like[br]I brought home

0:32:59.168,0:33:00.467
"Kill 'Em All," and

0:33:00.467,0:33:02.274
"Here, hey, look what [br]i've been doing

0:33:02.274,0:33:03.752
the last two years!"

0:33:03.752,0:33:05.517
I mean, they knew what was[br]going on.

0:33:05.517,0:33:07.301
They just encourage what I do,

0:33:07.301,0:33:10.000
and support me [br]with what I want to do.

0:33:10.000,0:33:13.186
There was never any pressure[br]to follow in my dad's footsteps,

0:33:13.186,0:33:15.551
and be a tennis player,[br]or anything like that.

0:33:15.551,0:33:18.533
Even though it would seem like[br]the obvious thing for me to do.

0:33:18.533,0:33:21.868
I was brought up traveling[br]ten years on the tennis circuit.

0:33:21.868,0:33:27.435
But they just encourage me[br]to do what I want.

0:33:27.435,0:33:30.185
He told you to practice to the hilt.

0:33:30.185,0:33:33.016
Jason how about your parents?

0:33:33.016,0:33:34.349
"The hilt?"

0:33:34.349,0:33:36.761
You know, like "huhhh..."[br]- "The hilt."

0:33:36.761,0:33:38.367
My parents...

0:33:38.367,0:33:39.984
New words here, every day.

0:33:39.984,0:33:42.570
You know, at first, when I [br]first took off

0:33:42.570,0:33:46.634
from Michigan, to be[br]a rock bassist,

0:33:46.634,0:33:49.268
it was totally[br]against their wishes.

0:33:49.268,0:33:53.219
Then, Flotsam's thing[br]started happening,

0:33:53.219,0:33:55.133
and they were real[br]happy about that.

0:33:55.133,0:33:56.950
They started backing me.

0:33:56.950,0:34:00.501
Now that this Metallica [br]thing has happened,

0:34:00.501,0:34:02.533
they are just ecstatic,

0:34:02.533,0:34:05.784
really proud, really happy.

0:34:05.784,0:34:07.402
One more thing.

0:34:07.402,0:34:08.883
We are doing a segment

0:34:08.883,0:34:10.756
called "Addicted to Style,"

0:34:10.756,0:34:12.667
which has to do with[br]fashion and things.

0:34:12.667,0:34:15.184
I know your band[br]is real high on the G. Q. charts.

0:34:15.184,0:34:16.802
[Laughs] Yeah, yeah.[br]Hey.

0:34:16.802,0:34:18.501
I'm just going to ask you,

0:34:18.501,0:34:21.778
um, visually describe your style.

0:34:21.778,0:34:23.083
Visually?

0:34:23.083,0:34:24.517
Um...comfortable.

0:34:24.517,0:34:25.651
That's it, man.

0:34:25.651,0:34:26.651
[Both] Comfortable.

0:34:26.651,0:34:28.150
As far as I'm concerned,

0:34:28.150,0:34:31.518
which has been one of the [br]basic ingredients in this band,

0:34:31.518,0:34:33.068
the whole time, is that,

0:34:33.068,0:34:36.033
if you can't do something[br]different and original,

0:34:36.033,0:34:37.834
then don't even [br]do it at all.

0:34:37.834,0:34:40.401
And it became very obvious early

0:34:40.401,0:34:42.219
that there was not going to be

0:34:42.219,0:34:44.736
any huge flashy image,[br]or anything like that.

0:34:44.736,0:34:48.201
To follow and just do[br]what every band has done

0:34:48.201,0:34:49.745
would be stupid anyway.

0:34:49.745,0:34:52.238
For us the main thing[br]is just to be comfortable.

0:34:52.238,0:34:53.724
Be ourselves, really.

0:34:53.724,0:34:55.386
Don't put on any kind of front,

0:34:55.386,0:34:56.779
or makeup or whatever.

0:34:56.779,0:34:58.228
Stupid things or gimmick.

0:34:58.228,0:35:00.246
What you see is what [br]it is all about.

0:35:00.246,0:35:01.244
It's real.

0:35:01.244,0:35:02.968
This is what we actually wear.

0:35:02.968,0:35:04.752
Even outside of this interview.

0:35:04.752,0:35:08.169
It's us doing what we do,[br]being comfortable,

0:35:08.169,0:35:09.685
and being ourselves.

0:35:09.685,0:35:12.757
There is not a huge, [br]false front put up.

0:35:12.757,0:35:15.774
Or, things hanging out here,

0:35:15.774,0:35:17.730
on the under lids of our eyes,

0:35:17.730,0:35:19.275
or anything like that.

0:35:19.275,0:35:20.227
Or, hey!

0:35:20.227,0:35:21.546
No, I mean, it's just us,

0:35:21.546,0:35:22.513
doing what we do.

0:35:22.513,0:35:23.721
And, other bands

0:35:23.721,0:35:25.190
do other things that they do,

0:35:25.190,0:35:26.282
which is cool, and...

0:35:26.282,0:35:28.921
We do what we feel.[br]If they really feel that, it's fine.

0:35:28.921,0:35:30.551
it's like, be comfortable.

0:35:30.551,0:35:33.219
There are other things [br]to spend money on, than clothes.

0:35:33.219,0:35:35.258
[Laughs]

0:35:35.258,0:35:37.152
Describe to me what [br]you're wearing.

0:35:37.152,0:35:39.518
I have on a pair of[br]Nike running shoes,

0:35:39.518,0:35:41.752
with "Nike Air" on them.

0:35:41.752,0:35:43.194
Mine, too. Nike Air.

0:35:43.194,0:35:44.250
Air, you know?

0:35:44.250,0:35:46.435
I don't know where the air[br]is hanging out,

0:35:46.435,0:35:48.319
but they're very,[br]very comfortable.

0:35:48.319,0:35:50.507
And then, I have a pair[br]of white socks on.

0:35:50.507,0:35:52.036
Me too. White socks.

0:35:52.036,0:35:53.469
I have...Here,

0:35:53.469,0:35:55.468
this is the demonstration, here.

0:35:55.468,0:35:58.919
Um, here are the Nike shoes, here.[br]All right?

0:35:58.919,0:35:59.902
Stylin'.

0:35:59.902,0:36:01.503
A plug for Nike. All right?

0:36:01.503,0:36:02.851
Shock, horror.

0:36:02.851,0:36:05.435
These are also...guess...[br]Nike socks.

0:36:05.435,0:36:07.386
Ladies and gentlemen,[br]Nike socks.

0:36:07.386,0:36:09.718
This should earn me[br]some free things from Nike.

0:36:09.718,0:36:12.668
We have a pair of jeans on, here.

0:36:12.668,0:36:15.902
That have not been washed[br]for at least 3 weeks, now.

0:36:15.902,0:36:17.453
At least a little while.

0:36:17.453,0:36:21.486
And, a T shirt of a young...[br]where are they from?

0:36:21.486,0:36:23.249
Arizona! Phoenix, Arizona.

0:36:23.249,0:36:25.524
One of the cool things [br]about being in a band

0:36:25.524,0:36:26.534
like Metallica is,

0:36:26.534,0:36:28.240
you get all these free T shirts,

0:36:28.240,0:36:29.896
of, like, bands, all the time.

0:36:29.896,0:36:32.169
I think this band[br]is very fitting to Metallica.

0:36:32.169,0:36:34.488
It says here, in case [br]you can't read it:

0:36:34.488,0:36:37.060
It says "Hey little girl,[br]want a piece of candy?"

0:36:37.060,0:36:39.286
Transcribe that[br]any way you want.

0:36:39.286,0:36:40.952
And then on the back,

0:36:40.952,0:36:43.203
it says "Sure, I'll have[br]a piece of candy,"

0:36:43.203,0:36:45.512
and the old man[br]gets belted in the head.

0:36:45.512,0:36:46.562
[Laughs]

0:36:46.562,0:36:48.102
True Metallica style.

0:36:48.102,0:36:49.852
And then, we have this[br]mic cord here,

0:36:49.852,0:36:52.502
which is not part of[br]my wear today.

0:36:52.502,0:36:54.804
But it looks pretty hip,[br]though, I think.

0:36:54.804,0:36:57.766
And got this necklace,[br]that's been

0:36:57.766,0:36:59.513
hanging here for four years,

0:36:59.513,0:37:01.570
which brings me[br]extremely good luck.

0:37:01.570,0:37:03.953
And I have all my rings on,[br]as you can see.

0:37:03.953,0:37:06.653
And, we're just hip.

0:37:06.653,0:37:09.284
[Laughs][br]G. Q., G. Q.

0:37:09.284,0:37:10.405
Last question.

0:37:10.405,0:37:12.510
What fashion item[br]do you want for Christmas?

0:37:12.510,0:37:15.508
I'll have some new tennies.[br]Black ones.

0:37:15.508,0:37:19.817
Uh...I'll take[br]some clean underwear.

0:37:19.817,0:37:21.240
[Laughs]

0:37:21.240,0:37:22.991
Can you say that[br]in a full sentence,

0:37:22.991,0:37:23.770
for Christmas?

0:37:23.770,0:37:26.528
For Christmas, I want[br]fresh underwear.

0:37:26.528,0:37:28.970
[Laughs]

0:37:28.970,0:37:30.536
Thank you, guys.

0:37:30.976,0:37:32.053
Yeah!

0:37:32.053,0:37:33.838
You know, that's [br]the first roll-in

0:37:33.838,0:37:35.937
they're gonna pull[br]from this interview.