1 00:00:17,607 --> 00:00:19,996 Thank you very much, that was a very grand intro, 2 00:00:19,996 --> 00:00:22,677 and no, I don't play the piano and surf at the same time, 3 00:00:22,677 --> 00:00:24,194 I don't think that would work. 4 00:00:24,194 --> 00:00:27,371 But it's a great morning, this morning, you're having a good time? 5 00:00:27,371 --> 00:00:28,840 Audience: Yeah. PM: Right. That's good. 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,354 Because I'm going to need your help. 7 00:00:31,354 --> 00:00:34,260 I'm going to start with an experiment. What I want you to do, 8 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:36,559 is to take out your mobile phones, please. 9 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:39,356 I'll give you a second to do that. 10 00:00:39,356 --> 00:00:41,044 If you have them on you, of course. 11 00:00:41,489 --> 00:00:43,536 Hopefully it'll be camera phones. 12 00:00:43,684 --> 00:00:45,930 What I'm going to ask you to do 13 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:48,135 is to take a funny picture. 14 00:00:48,135 --> 00:00:49,181 Can be of anything. 15 00:00:49,181 --> 00:00:50,364 Can be of me, but 16 00:00:50,364 --> 00:00:52,168 it would be so conceited to say that, 17 00:00:52,168 --> 00:00:54,400 but a funny picture. A selfie, whatever. 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,700 The person next to you... 19 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:58,214 We're going to ask you to do that right now, please. 20 00:01:00,788 --> 00:01:01,945 Okay, here's one I took 21 00:01:01,945 --> 00:01:04,863 of my prospective audience earlier. 22 00:01:07,129 --> 00:01:07,941 Brilliant. 23 00:01:11,277 --> 00:01:12,581 Ok. 24 00:01:13,351 --> 00:01:14,905 We're all there? Brilliant. 25 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:16,662 What I'd like you to do now 26 00:01:16,662 --> 00:01:18,875 is to show that picture to the person on your left. 27 00:01:18,875 --> 00:01:20,612 Some of you already are. 28 00:01:20,941 --> 00:01:23,571 Ok? If you're in an aisle, just show it across. 29 00:01:25,224 --> 00:01:27,152 Now I want you to also show that picture 30 00:01:27,152 --> 00:01:29,085 to the person on your right. 31 00:01:29,475 --> 00:01:31,910 In fact, why not show it to 32 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:34,364 everyone around you? 33 00:01:34,364 --> 00:01:36,230 (Laughter) 34 00:01:37,687 --> 00:01:38,619 Great. 35 00:01:39,469 --> 00:01:42,461 This is like real-life social media in action. 36 00:01:43,081 --> 00:01:45,503 Ok. Now bring it back now. 37 00:01:48,530 --> 00:01:50,698 Ok. I need the front two rows now. 38 00:01:50,698 --> 00:01:52,811 Can I ask the front two rows to stand up, 39 00:01:52,811 --> 00:01:55,337 Including the people in the wings, thank you? 40 00:01:56,217 --> 00:01:58,884 Now it's a bold experiment we're going to do 41 00:01:59,454 --> 00:02:02,087 but I want the front two rows to decide 42 00:02:03,007 --> 00:02:05,234 decide whose picture is the funniest. 43 00:02:05,673 --> 00:02:08,116 Ok, whose picture is the funniest? 44 00:02:08,116 --> 00:02:10,807 And I'm going to give you just 20 seconds. 45 00:02:10,807 --> 00:02:12,641 So you might need to move around. 46 00:02:12,641 --> 00:02:14,721 Work it out. I'm gonna give you 20 seconds. 47 00:02:14,721 --> 00:02:16,474 So, off you go, now. 48 00:02:16,474 --> 00:02:17,919 20, 49 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,171 19, 50 00:02:19,171 --> 00:02:20,223 18, 51 00:02:20,223 --> 00:02:22,001 17, 52 00:02:22,001 --> 00:02:23,564 16, 53 00:02:23,564 --> 00:02:24,946 15, 54 00:02:24,946 --> 00:02:26,372 14, 55 00:02:26,372 --> 00:02:28,064 13... Have we got a short list yet? 56 00:02:28,335 --> 00:02:29,418 12, 57 00:02:29,678 --> 00:02:30,914 11, 58 00:02:30,914 --> 00:02:32,380 10, 59 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:33,535 9, 60 00:02:33,535 --> 00:02:34,656 8, 61 00:02:34,656 --> 00:02:35,804 7, 62 00:02:35,804 --> 00:02:37,380 6, 63 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:39,334 5, 64 00:02:39,334 --> 00:02:41,018 4, 65 00:02:41,018 --> 00:02:42,244 3, 66 00:02:42,244 --> 00:02:43,234 2, 67 00:02:43,234 --> 00:02:44,082 1... 68 00:02:44,082 --> 00:02:45,577 And they're still going. 69 00:02:45,577 --> 00:02:48,110 Ok. Can you sit down if you've been discounted? 70 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:49,493 Sorry very much. 71 00:02:50,603 --> 00:02:52,476 Do we have a winner? 72 00:02:52,966 --> 00:02:55,031 Do we have a winner? 73 00:02:55,961 --> 00:02:57,268 Over here? 74 00:02:57,678 --> 00:02:59,694 Is it... Sally! 75 00:03:00,076 --> 00:03:03,170 Ok, fantastic. Can we have a round of applause for Sally, please? 76 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:06,466 (Applause) 77 00:03:06,656 --> 00:03:07,823 Brilliant. 78 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,196 OK. So, Sally will probably sit down now 79 00:03:11,196 --> 00:03:12,834 and probably what she will do, 80 00:03:12,834 --> 00:03:14,520 she will go on to twitter and say, 81 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,469 "ha ha, just won TEDxWoking photo competition, aren't I cool? #irock" 82 00:03:22,089 --> 00:03:25,063 But that was an experiment in the formation of popular culture. 83 00:03:25,063 --> 00:03:28,210 A group of people bound by the same common rows 84 00:03:28,210 --> 00:03:30,771 that they were sitting in, decided on something, 85 00:03:30,771 --> 00:03:33,259 and that's how popular culture is formed. 86 00:03:33,679 --> 00:03:35,886 Now if Sally does tweet it, 87 00:03:35,886 --> 00:03:37,862 which she might do, -- go ahead! -- 88 00:03:37,862 --> 00:03:40,401 and you might now go along and retweet it, 89 00:03:40,401 --> 00:03:43,041 and the image will spread, you might put it on facebook, 90 00:03:43,041 --> 00:03:46,071 and it will spread even further. She's not doing it, by the way. 91 00:03:46,071 --> 00:03:48,441 (Laughter) You should do it, it's a good picture. 92 00:03:48,441 --> 00:03:50,377 Sally: It's a picture of him. (Chuckles) 93 00:03:50,388 --> 00:03:54,326 But you'll probably say, "Phil, that's really interesting, it's just a picture." 94 00:03:54,326 --> 00:03:56,735 What about if the picture said this? 95 00:03:57,542 --> 00:03:58,743 [TEDxWoking] 96 00:03:58,743 --> 00:04:00,714 Suddenly it's no longer a picture. 97 00:04:00,714 --> 00:04:02,044 It's an idea. 98 00:04:02,044 --> 00:04:04,407 And that idea spreads. 99 00:04:04,407 --> 00:04:06,355 And what about if the picture said this? 100 00:04:06,355 --> 00:04:07,874 [TEDxSUX!] 101 00:04:07,874 --> 00:04:10,450 (Laughter) 102 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:11,275 It's an idea. 103 00:04:11,275 --> 00:04:13,506 And when a group of people come together 104 00:04:13,506 --> 00:04:15,481 with a common idea, 105 00:04:15,481 --> 00:04:18,343 that's how popular culture is formed. 106 00:04:19,735 --> 00:04:21,088 Now historically, 107 00:04:21,088 --> 00:04:23,547 art and culture define popular culture. 108 00:04:24,593 --> 00:04:26,281 And a mechanism was always needed. 109 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:28,767 Be it art, painting, or sculpture. 110 00:04:28,767 --> 00:04:31,008 Modern technologies changed all that now. 111 00:04:31,908 --> 00:04:36,551 Now a dad, in his Christmas jammies, on Youtube, 112 00:04:36,551 --> 00:04:40,601 or even the way that you chose to support your local charities 113 00:04:41,255 --> 00:04:43,254 is all available to us. 114 00:04:43,881 --> 00:04:47,339 And instead of just voting with your sword or with your feet, 115 00:04:47,895 --> 00:04:50,754 all you have to do now to agree 116 00:04:51,514 --> 00:04:53,074 is Like. 117 00:04:53,074 --> 00:04:54,465 [Like] 118 00:04:54,835 --> 00:04:57,571 When certain ideas, interests or choices 119 00:04:57,571 --> 00:04:59,718 reach a critical mass within a society, 120 00:04:59,718 --> 00:05:01,750 they become widespread 121 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:03,902 and proliferate throughout that society. 122 00:05:03,902 --> 00:05:06,167 A definition of popular culture. 123 00:05:07,717 --> 00:05:08,971 [Google/to google] 124 00:05:08,971 --> 00:05:10,934 But what happens when the mechanism 125 00:05:10,934 --> 00:05:13,285 for the spread of popular culture 126 00:05:13,285 --> 00:05:16,178 becomes part of popular culture itself? 127 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:18,067 Take Google. 128 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:19,781 It's a proper noun. 129 00:05:19,781 --> 00:05:21,367 But it's also a verb. 130 00:05:21,367 --> 00:05:24,334 And an intrinsic part of our popular culture. 131 00:05:26,513 --> 00:05:28,064 Historically, 132 00:05:28,064 --> 00:05:32,135 access to high culture, popular culture, was limited. 133 00:05:32,874 --> 00:05:34,460 Access to painting was limited, 134 00:05:34,460 --> 00:05:35,451 access to sculpture, 135 00:05:35,451 --> 00:05:37,440 theatre audiences, by their very nature, 136 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,503 were limited. 137 00:05:39,853 --> 00:05:41,747 But fast forward to 138 00:05:41,747 --> 00:05:43,100 the invention of cinema, 139 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:44,582 the wireless, 140 00:05:44,582 --> 00:05:45,324 TV. 141 00:05:45,324 --> 00:05:46,501 Suddenly popular culture 142 00:05:46,501 --> 00:05:48,367 is being beamed into our homes 143 00:05:48,367 --> 00:05:50,411 every single day. 144 00:05:52,940 --> 00:05:54,581 There's still the pop music. 145 00:05:54,851 --> 00:05:57,746 [Elvis vs Cliff] 146 00:05:57,746 --> 00:06:00,354 In 1956, 147 00:06:00,354 --> 00:06:02,477 when Elvis Presley first entered the charts 148 00:06:02,477 --> 00:06:04,682 and began his long-running battle with Cliff Richard, 149 00:06:04,690 --> 00:06:07,093 you were either for Elvis, or you were for Cliff. 150 00:06:07,093 --> 00:06:10,084 Some people may remember, not sure. 151 00:06:10,234 --> 00:06:12,121 It affected the way that you spoke. 152 00:06:12,121 --> 00:06:14,368 It affected the way you wore your hair. 153 00:06:14,368 --> 00:06:16,871 It affected the way the clothes you wore. 154 00:06:16,871 --> 00:06:19,192 I'm looking at it right here. 155 00:06:19,192 --> 00:06:20,327 Audience: Yeah. 156 00:06:20,327 --> 00:06:22,126 Elvis or Cliff? 157 00:06:22,126 --> 00:06:24,282 (Answer inaudible) 158 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:28,171 But what happened was 159 00:06:28,191 --> 00:06:29,780 fast forward through the charts. 160 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,613 Through the Beatles versus the Stones, 161 00:06:31,613 --> 00:06:32,733 New Romantics. 162 00:06:33,373 --> 00:06:34,728 Punk Rock. 163 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,591 Mods versus Rockers. 164 00:06:37,091 --> 00:06:39,222 Pop culture became sub-culture. 165 00:06:39,222 --> 00:06:40,499 And increasingly, 166 00:06:40,499 --> 00:06:43,280 big businesses took over and became involved. 167 00:06:44,020 --> 00:06:47,049 We listen to what they let us listen to. 168 00:06:47,049 --> 00:06:49,280 We just have to look at the Christmas Charts 169 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,667 of the last nine or ten years to see that control. 170 00:06:53,853 --> 00:06:58,343 But then along came services like Spotify and iTunes. 171 00:06:58,594 --> 00:07:01,200 You could listen to what you wanted to listen to, 172 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,763 when you wanted to listen to it 173 00:07:02,763 --> 00:07:05,266 and wherever you wanted to listen to it. 174 00:07:05,835 --> 00:07:08,862 It's great. And music was free. 175 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:12,272 But it became less of a group experience. 176 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:14,278 It was no longer about 177 00:07:14,278 --> 00:07:16,306 sitting around the radio on a Sunday evening 178 00:07:16,306 --> 00:07:18,127 listening to the Chart Show. 179 00:07:18,127 --> 00:07:21,113 And watching TV on a Thursday night. 180 00:07:21,113 --> 00:07:22,885 Watching Top of the Pops. 181 00:07:22,885 --> 00:07:25,051 Showing my age! 182 00:07:25,596 --> 00:07:27,125 Ok, talking of TV, 183 00:07:27,125 --> 00:07:28,985 who here watches EastEnders? 184 00:07:28,985 --> 00:07:30,874 Come on, don't be shy. 185 00:07:31,027 --> 00:07:33,030 Really? No one? (Laughter) 186 00:07:33,030 --> 00:07:34,264 Is that Sam? 187 00:07:34,264 --> 00:07:36,237 Audience: Yes. PM: OK. 188 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,834 In the 2014 Christmas episode of Eastenders, 189 00:07:40,002 --> 00:07:42,179 spoiler alert, close your ears now, 190 00:07:42,179 --> 00:07:44,133 when Lucy Beale died, 191 00:07:47,053 --> 00:07:49,761 8.39 million viewers. 192 00:07:50,151 --> 00:07:52,331 Backtrack to 1986. 193 00:07:52,331 --> 00:07:53,388 Christmas day. 194 00:07:53,388 --> 00:07:56,370 When Dirty Den served divorce papers to Angie, 195 00:07:57,949 --> 00:08:01,284 30.15 million viewers. 196 00:08:01,624 --> 00:08:04,800 Now is it that the program EastEnders has gotten worse? 197 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,111 Possibly. 198 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:08,528 (Laughter) 199 00:08:08,528 --> 00:08:10,540 Is it that just less people watching it, 200 00:08:10,540 --> 00:08:13,730 it just doesn't relate to us anymore? Possibly. 201 00:08:14,201 --> 00:08:18,310 Or is it just that the way that we view television has changed? 202 00:08:18,577 --> 00:08:23,121 In fact, I can't remember the last time that I watched serial broadcast television. 203 00:08:23,121 --> 00:08:26,731 I want to watch what I want to watch when I want to watch it. 204 00:08:27,653 --> 00:08:30,926 And video on demand has provided me that. 205 00:08:31,116 --> 00:08:33,659 [Netflix 4.5 million UK subscribers 61% binge watch] 206 00:08:33,659 --> 00:08:35,602 Let's look at Netflix. 207 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:38,157 There are 4.5 million UK subscribers in the UK. 208 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:42,063 4.5 million people who choose to watch their television in a different way. 209 00:08:43,199 --> 00:08:44,926 That doesn't include BBC iPlayer 210 00:08:44,926 --> 00:08:46,030 4od, 211 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:46,821 iTV Player, 212 00:08:46,821 --> 00:08:49,125 all the other video on demand services. 213 00:08:49,125 --> 00:08:50,584 But the interesting thing 214 00:08:50,584 --> 00:08:53,387 is the stat at the bottom. 215 00:08:53,387 --> 00:08:56,200 People don't just want to tune in to watch one program 216 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,843 when the broadcaster wants them to. 217 00:08:58,843 --> 00:09:00,429 Actually, I mean, you know, 218 00:09:00,429 --> 00:09:01,762 be it Breaking Bad, or 219 00:09:01,762 --> 00:09:03,357 the Good Wife, at the moment 220 00:09:04,617 --> 00:09:07,540 I want to watch more than one episode every evening. 221 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:10,544 In fact, when House of Cards, the last season, was released, 222 00:09:10,544 --> 00:09:13,691 people literally watched it all day with minutes breaks in between. 223 00:09:13,706 --> 00:09:15,911 I don't know when they went to the toilet. 224 00:09:15,911 --> 00:09:17,829 (Laughter) 225 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:22,751 The world of today is very different to 40 years ago. 226 00:09:23,808 --> 00:09:25,439 All these services. 227 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:28,727 In fact, if I had been stood up here 40 years ago, 228 00:09:28,727 --> 00:09:30,842 I'd probably would have been wearing 229 00:09:30,842 --> 00:09:33,288 a suit and tie, much like Ray! 230 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:36,403 In fact, probably everyone in this room would have been dressed 231 00:09:36,403 --> 00:09:38,658 exactly the same. 232 00:09:39,487 --> 00:09:41,861 The services like ASOS and Amazon 233 00:09:41,861 --> 00:09:43,544 provide us a choice. 234 00:09:44,294 --> 00:09:46,489 I can buy what I want to buy 235 00:09:46,489 --> 00:09:48,200 when I want to buy it. 236 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,748 In fact, I challenge anyone in this room 237 00:09:50,748 --> 00:09:51,851 -- look around, now -- 238 00:09:51,851 --> 00:09:54,491 to find a discernible fashion, 239 00:09:54,491 --> 00:09:56,088 beyond the odd beard. 240 00:09:56,088 --> 00:09:58,087 (Laughter) 241 00:09:58,087 --> 00:09:59,661 Because there isn't one. 242 00:09:59,661 --> 00:10:00,972 Because we're not beholding 243 00:10:00,972 --> 00:10:02,990 to the highstreet anymore. 244 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:04,847 We don't behold in to go and walk down 245 00:10:04,847 --> 00:10:06,237 to the local Debenhams 246 00:10:06,237 --> 00:10:08,475 and buy whatever it is they're gonna sell you. 247 00:10:08,475 --> 00:10:10,220 You can buy whatever you want now. 248 00:10:11,127 --> 00:10:12,241 [10 Very Best Things] 249 00:10:12,241 --> 00:10:14,183 Okay. Let's look at a survey. 250 00:10:14,183 --> 00:10:16,338 So this is the top 10 Very Best Things 251 00:10:16,338 --> 00:10:17,853 for under 10's. 252 00:10:17,853 --> 00:10:20,252 It's from 2006 of the National Kids Day survey, 253 00:10:20,252 --> 00:10:21,871 but it still rings true today. 254 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,126 Makes for interesting reading. 255 00:10:24,126 --> 00:10:25,231 Number ten, Heaven God. 256 00:10:25,231 --> 00:10:27,615 (Laughter) 257 00:10:27,615 --> 00:10:30,146 Number nine, watching films. I think we'll all agree with that. 258 00:10:30,146 --> 00:10:31,487 Number eight, nice food. 259 00:10:31,487 --> 00:10:33,370 Number seven, friends. 260 00:10:33,771 --> 00:10:35,974 Number six, family. 261 00:10:35,974 --> 00:10:37,533 Number five, pop music. 262 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:38,806 Number four, being healthy. 263 00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:41,281 It's good to see it in the top five, at least. 264 00:10:41,281 --> 00:10:43,965 Oh, I can never get my kids to eat their peas. 265 00:10:43,965 --> 00:10:46,329 Let's see what happens in the top three. 266 00:10:46,329 --> 00:10:49,253 Number three, being rich. 267 00:10:49,253 --> 00:10:51,795 Number two, good looks. 268 00:10:51,795 --> 00:10:54,686 Number one, being a celebrity. 269 00:10:55,332 --> 00:10:57,281 Kids under ten. 270 00:10:58,758 --> 00:11:00,671 Popular culture has become 271 00:11:00,671 --> 00:11:02,573 "popular culture". 272 00:11:02,903 --> 00:11:05,465 Our children and by association, ourselves, 273 00:11:05,465 --> 00:11:07,035 are obsessed with celebrities. 274 00:11:07,035 --> 00:11:08,481 It's fed into our homes. 275 00:11:08,481 --> 00:11:09,618 Endlessly, all day. 276 00:11:09,618 --> 00:11:11,881 And this causes a problem. 277 00:11:12,511 --> 00:11:14,354 This need for recognition. 278 00:11:14,354 --> 00:11:16,121 This, 'See me!' 279 00:11:16,121 --> 00:11:18,666 that social media plays directly into. 280 00:11:22,106 --> 00:11:25,620 75% of parents think negative influences 281 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:28,141 from mass media are a serious problem. 282 00:11:28,141 --> 00:11:30,925 75% think that the influences 283 00:11:30,925 --> 00:11:32,911 from mass media are a serious problem 284 00:11:32,911 --> 00:11:34,846 in raising their children. 285 00:11:34,846 --> 00:11:37,525 Mass media like films, TV, music. 286 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:41,445 And the problem is 287 00:11:41,695 --> 00:11:44,382 that now we've become voyeurs 288 00:11:44,382 --> 00:11:47,209 into the lives of celebrities. 289 00:11:47,209 --> 00:11:49,246 Of our friends, of our neighbors. 290 00:11:49,246 --> 00:11:51,120 In fact of everyone. 291 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,253 Because cameras are everywhere. 292 00:11:53,253 --> 00:11:55,605 This was our Christmas team photo. 293 00:11:55,605 --> 00:11:58,235 Cameras are everywhere. You can take a picture whenever you want, 294 00:11:58,235 --> 00:12:00,846 like we did at the start of this talk. 295 00:12:02,014 --> 00:12:04,790 But this allows us to do different things. 296 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,454 Social media movements like Je suis CHARLIE, 297 00:12:08,454 --> 00:12:10,615 like the Harlem Shake, 298 00:12:10,615 --> 00:12:12,227 like the Icebucket Challenge, 299 00:12:12,227 --> 00:12:15,438 are only possible because of what we carry around in our pockets. 300 00:12:16,607 --> 00:12:20,495 But these social media movements are brief. 301 00:12:21,065 --> 00:12:23,497 It's a wave that washes over society 302 00:12:23,497 --> 00:12:25,489 and then withdraws quickly. 303 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:31,303 But it leaves a massive social media legacy behind it. 304 00:12:31,913 --> 00:12:33,299 [So...is pop culture dead?] 305 00:12:33,299 --> 00:12:35,775 So, back to the original question. 306 00:12:35,775 --> 00:12:38,847 Is pop culture dead? 307 00:12:38,847 --> 00:12:41,159 Has it been hijacked by mass media? 308 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:43,256 Are we being told what we should think now, 309 00:12:43,256 --> 00:12:45,502 rather than developing it ourselves? 310 00:12:46,072 --> 00:12:50,106 Or, are we actually creating popular culture, 311 00:12:50,106 --> 00:12:53,014 now, ourselves, through social media, 312 00:12:53,014 --> 00:12:56,205 every single second of every single day? 313 00:12:56,855 --> 00:12:59,167 Popular culture as we know it 314 00:12:59,167 --> 00:13:01,015 is probably dead. 315 00:13:01,015 --> 00:13:03,232 But long live popular culture. 316 00:13:03,602 --> 00:13:04,491 Thank you. 317 00:13:04,491 --> 00:13:06,383 (Applause)