her weekly video hangout series I think
let's see we started a little bit of time so I'll say it again welcome to GV
face
our weekly video hangout series today we are celebrating the 25th birthday
other world-wide-web pretty exciting that was on Wednesday
I'm we've got a really all-star
lineup of guests on today's program
I'm moving from
left to right we have Alan M touch very special guest who is
I can talk to us about has
very special opps and
a arse web browser I
we have Jeremy Clark in Montreal jeremy is a technical director at Global Voices
Josh levy from Free Press
in Massachusetts nast and renown tabula
I campaign manager for the web we won
Creative Commons extraordinaire and Stevie
star who is joining us from Berlin welcome everybody
i'm too much just start today's
show by talking a little bit about
the World Wide Web and the Internet it's a lotta people think that they're the
same thing
when actually that's not quite true
wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm
and just ask chair could you break it down for us
like I thought that the internet was invented in the seventies but
if it's the 25th birthday have the weapons
what does that mean okay
well the best place to start I think is
the internet who has existed in various formats
since the 1970s as he say up but it was the web that made it really enter our
homes
and so understanding the relationship is important
so the internet was invented by the US government in a lot of sense is
a mix of military in science funding I that developed the network at the actual
computers
that can communicate with each other over wires
arm now another related technology that is
also comprise that built into the bad
is called hypertext and that is the notion
out documents that can link between each other immediately
without having I to go and fetch a separate document
arm so there were lots of system since the nineteen sixties
that we're trying to implement hypertext like that to do with an example
up but all of them where commercial expensive closed
and none of them were very popular so Tim berners-lee
who is the inventor of the Internet I I
though web obviously the World Wide Web arm
put those two things together by building a service that runs
on top of the Internet and he called it the World Wide Web
soul what the World Wide Web is is
be decentralized hypertext I
engine that we used I to communicate between
computers our web pages so
what makes up web is three things
URL's or you our eyes universal Resource Locator
which are the addresses we use to find things on the web
Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup Language
I which is the way that be information is stored and sent
so that we can then used browsers to
view HTML and then all the documents
can be understood and then also
they display the links so that the Hypertext part if it works and we can
jump around from page to page
I'm the final part is HTTP which is the Hypertext Transfer Protocol
which is the communication method by which the different computers
can talk to each other and send be
I HTML documents back and forth depending on the URL's
arm so when he built it there were some very important things that he built into
this system
that didn't exist before and the main one is
universal of worship so he always intended
that anyone would be able to access these web pages
and anyone would be able to add their own web pages without asking for
permission
I with the X very explicit special condition that anyone can link to any
other web page
without permission previous hypertext systems
required that basically for you to link to me I have to accept that link can
probably create a link back to you
and that was the required on the web which gives us a lot of freedom to make
the people we who wit wouldn't want us
to be able to link them for example so no one can say I'm putting up tree
content but you
can't send your readers here because I hate you et cetera
are the other one is that you made it completely completely 3
so in the world a mentor in world them programming
the most free thing is generally considered to be the GPL
open source free software licenses and Tim berners-lee actually almost use the
GPL because he wanted that what web software he was building to be free
but at the last minute yes he changed his mind made it call public domain
because in certain ways the GPL is actually more respect
restrictive because it forces other people like certain commercial actors
wouldn't have wanted to use
web technology if it were GPL so he made a full public domain
and then from there when I'm to make all of the standard size
open and I general and three as possible
are so that's my extremely brief history internet if anyone is curious
he wrote a wonderful book called weaving the web about his experiences
as you can see its short and he
highlighted interesting technical information in it without
I'll it being overwhelming it's very approachable and he's a really
interesting person ended the book is much better than his tweets which are
usually
in procuring all
crowded thank coach that's great chair
I mean I think that that helps on in conversations about
internet policy in Internet governance there's a lot of emphasis
on the ability to kinda creepy
innovate without permission like for everybody to
be able to build parks a the web and
and what you just laid out for us makes it clear how important
a web peace up the infrastructure is for that
for that capacity to become a real tangible thing and somebody that
something that now we can do you know we don't have to have
technical expertise to kindness build our own
our own spaces there I'm so I'm
if I can add just one more thing sorry I as want to give a couple examples the
things that happen over the internet that arent to bad
because that was the actual I miss a question so
one example would be torrents where York the cookie to computers connect to each
other
and stream information directly without any URL's
being mixed into the process I'm another one is email at its core
is its own communication protocol that doesn't have to use the web although we
often use
web sites to access and manage our now
arm and then another one was the one right before the web came out
them a very popular protocol was called go for which
people liked and sort it worked like the where'd you just surf around and find
things
but it actually became commercial right around the time
that the web came out so people have would have had to start paying and
instead of having to pay
they switched to using HTTP a shemale and the world but
thank you so I want to move to Alan now
I'm how I couldn't bill the first
search engine
and I'm kinda like
overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy and nervous
having apparently speaker her big deal
I'm salome just I
you could tell us cuz I think a lot of people don't know about archie
on it would be really cool just to hear about
E all you sir what you were doing that made you decide
should to do this and kinda what it was like and then
mean everything you've seen sense unfortunately
where time limited but welcome you know therapy
well arm I well that was lacking that
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a I was working out as a system and mentorship therefore I am getting worse
there's no cracks chips
McGill University and I'm I A
was responsible for getting all software for one on my responsibilities
getting software for the faculty and the students
are and at that time there it three major protocols on the internet this is
pretty where
I'll was I world's
telnet which would allow you to log into a remote machine
email I which allow you to communicate
I with one what we do know 10
me more machines your and
FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol which allowed you to move
Wow data files or file was from one which
one sheet to another and at the time what we had was
people had me it remember it was a non commercial Internet
time actually commercial traffic was forbidden on the Internet
time because it was run by the National Science Foundation
was using educational money and therefore
other than companies with research arms like ID and I'll
and HD and those kinds of things we didn't have any commercial traffic on
the Internet which
why would a seems kinda amazing to even think about
and I so what people who did
were out to provide are three states on your machine
remember you know at the time a big a big
this will be a megabyte you know I'll and so people would provide
common a or depositary still
that that you could deposit I'm
programs that you had written and I'll data files
and documents back in stock into the central repositories
that will spread around the internet that other people can then
you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my time trying to locate software
or the information that means that students in the Faculty are trying to
find
and I got tired and since I'm easy and the geek
I A arm I A I
automated the process a got instead of doing it manually
I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the middle of the night every night
and go all index these files
now remember all of this was just file listings it's not like we will it's not
like a
I'll search engine will be today I if yes
just I just found it's all it was bonds
and so what they would do with it would go out every night
yes all the file names and all the repositories allow you to search
those lists a plummets I only used it for myself
I only used it I'm for my own
for my own personal use on at one point my eyeballs was also
all students at your grad student at University I'll
let peter deutsch lettin you know that
I'm somebody was asking for you know to date could
somebody tell them where arm
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I we from we see
you know he came in ASCII you at this database iniki mostly
if I I could help out tonight gave it to him in it you know
Pakistan pack a minute later I had the information and so he put this
yeah posting online and I'll
people then started asking well you know
can you find this from Ian in all these manual request
basically either through email or Usenet postings which is what we're using
time and he thought was a silly that's not quite doing these things manually
one week just allow people access
to the database itself and in a moment of insanity
I we have to come up with a name for it and I said okay well let's just call it
archie which is our client without be and dad are
and with a no vote so out both here for months
we were consuming what's happened all high quality traffic to Eastern Canada
on as this search engine became his people
you know work now I you you know people who know RGR
generally people up a certain age I won't mention what what ages but
and it's generally people who were in university or working
on the internet so it would have been researched people people in academia
I in the early 90s orgiastic for
about I am a.m.
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as or TJ popular and I got one ball in the standards policies not gonna stop I
worked
of very closely with Tim berners-lee to I am
to standardize for example I did the and Graham
media the standard-setting body to the Internet DCI 88
I to standardize URL's because
10 had come up with a set of above rules the world and the
as me looked at expanding that's larger range
out %uh resources we realize that what rules did not
on a ver all cases so we worked
for our 10 brought that specification his original specification to the
to group and we worked on it for I don't remember
might not see a year or so it come up with a standard for you or else so all
of those you're also use
day in and day out world were standardized as a result
all what many so it was I it was a really exciting time
it was at time out by you know the question I always get is why did
I make a billion dollars of a bit and I keep reminding people that
are mostly people who are pioneers with the accepted Mr
edmark and Jason arm or
didn't make a whole lot of money off with the squirrel
the switch in the plains we were working in an environment which
I'll put a premium on I'll
you're getting the technology out there making it is widely available as
possible
I tens big coup with Sharon which is the
organization that work for when we first develop where
was two guests earned to put I'll
the the HDD where software that he agreed
into the public to me all so it wasn't even choose to give away
it was surgeons property as it as an employee
he it was actually belong to Sir and down
I she he actually convince them to be able to
but in the public domain what's what really all
17 Center with a firearm with the whole
so I'll at the time the the
philosophy behind it it's really let's get this out there this is a brave new
world we don't know what's what all this technology can be used for
I don't think any of us including 10 imagine what it would become
a you know he he always had a much grander vision a bit
but I don't I I can guarantee you I spent many many many many in our
and I with David sandbar is changing it then and I can't guarantee you that
he did not suit anymore certain
I'm I should dare and
you know he even he I don't think having idea that it would
a CD take over the world attack the world's population will be using this
system or
he created twenty years later to anybody
or thank you so much I mean so
speaking and threats yeah it has I'm
changed and I guess
taken over in a way I that me
that mean I'm sure wouldn't have expected a
I wanted to now move to Josh
and judge were not I'll cool are both
perini I'll who
very committed involves
leaders and what is now become
a global at for two
mean the way it was surprising in to save the Internet or preserve and
protect
to open this on and all up to
right to tree expression access
on and up also privacy that have
that me all would feel are embedded actually
in the way that it was bill so
Josh I wonder if you could explain to us really briefly what
your where your role is in your organization and then also
on tell us about the web we want campaign
and explain you know how you think this
rights movement is is shaping up and
and if you can kinda link it with everything that Allen just laid out for
us
out to be really wonderful although my best so
my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press where
us-based organization we advocate for
better technology media policy that allows
or an open Internet or better representation
people in the media including in and an immediate
thats online and for open access
information and this Asian ever talk method
anniversary at the web has really central to our work because we've been
fighting
for example to you at past
strong mentality policies here in the US for years
at basically ever since the issue first came up with the mid 2000's
missile big internet service providers blocking
trafficking coming from their destinations and
that fight is ongoing the FCC to better communications commission here in the US
which
is charged with overseeing communications and technology policy
past rules in 2010 they were intended to protect me chali but we're passing our
in a way that we knew what was gonna hold up in court
anywhere as unfortunately we saw that
happened earlier this year when I court in Washington DC
throughout those roles effectively throwing out any net neutrality
protections that people have
and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy were saying
the internet versus the web right so when we're talking about net neutrality
which I have a lot of people
heard about this on Sat that you should be able to access
any information on why online without anybody getting in the way
out with it that's a big company or the government
an that is essentially
that's it a policy that applies to the Internet to the ways in which all are
computers connect with each other and we have this basic understanding
that the internet should be reno it meaning that my computer should be able
next yours into this well networked computers without any entity
inspecting the traffic trying to understand what you're trying to access
and based on that are in a blog so it doesn't like the video watching slowing
it down our
denied application using walking it that that should be totally unacceptable we
should be able to net
to whatever we want in whatever way we want and that includes using the web
rights to the web
is basically an application that ride over the Internet
the internet says global network the weather is just one application that
uses that
or network and so it is essential net challenged essential using where the
as as we've seen today using the web is so essential to all our lives
and big companies and governments have so much power over it
bad at the inn block alright things political speech
video that you want to watch features a cat there so
I'm anyway so that's what the press is doing in large part is trying to protect
that notion
net neutrality and wall added that fight
came a number campaign link their at me
stock so it was that bad copyright they'll your get your the US
and after that you know realization I think here the US around the world that
we are needed
I each other a little bit or those of us who have been
advocating for reopen it for a long time and so we started doing that
repressed led the development and wrapping up something called the
decoration etc reno
which was a simple statement of principles out they are right to access
information online
and Adam backing up really fruitful relationship with Tim berners-lee
organization the world wide web foundation
and we discussed ways in which we could move that effort
forward this you that declaration effort
to involve more troops around the world more people around the world
and shit guarantee that we all have access to information
and that that access and the principles behind it
are not a demanded any one country or anyone
it also added that in this great project the web we want which we're not going to
tell you more about
which is seeking to do just that to you
pass laws around the world that will protect people's right to access the
internet
into to access content on the web without anybody getting in the way
and its its building steam very very quickly
we are working with countries around the world developed their own set of
principles regarding the webinar rights on it
and organizing lot smarter organizations that it really excited
by getting involved in this effort and art remote uniting
gross we're all fighting the same by departs the world is
had come to light so I let me not to tell you more about that
and hello everyone everybody'd 3d
want me here a solo the way we want
it would be set luncheon of a
a very important group of organizations FMC society and we'll
mention other then and Eve access
that many of us are from you every EPC
athlete Brett from the US its leader in jordan Eberle
the open-source Association dorgan as well
and a consumers international
and article nineteen that's the only thing about God's mercy O
I V 40 gb/s public knowledge she in the US
and me we have the we got the confirmation that
Open Knowledge Foundation which has affiliate is over
war doing this book ASO
basically they can be what we are trying to achieve a here
you do and more from their reactions because the
reactions that lets users say you you outcropping approach
you have a positive agenda like this a first
in different countries and a note so nobody
and what happens is usually the we got together let me know and we reacted
badly to his nation be
alls a everybody either and
specific purpose a interest what very creative
but not so well-informed legislator
and in so you the last
let's say five years we have seen so many mobile stations
against against against so we think that
yeses want to have a a reaction bad legislation but he's much more effective
the
also people to use the Site a nobody
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few
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and so and we would have a deeper and
DVD sandifer Nationals it to achieve that
their personal be in Ben's work in specific countries
wieder it we a you get all the Advisory Committee
so that there's something going on there some movement in society in there so
action there it is sOooo believe the country's between the
week at that decided you get that first it
and got to use a button and more stronger support
from the one a what we won by Jenson would be
just bad Indonesia Philippines India found that they expressed to you
it with your YouTube the UK Nisha aunty react Kenya
and so happy so as you see each other
mostly condition that no one cell outside the UK be good you
a saw an opportunity there yes well so that every Christian
rights and be very interesting to see how the deterioration
rights in the country even had been taken in a democratic country villa
in years has been very extreme is that is really
affecting the region Anna apart from you
a in Ben's work that we have blended national dialogue scene is going to say
warm it well and we have also and we are left
1820 parts of March a meeting routes as well
at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone to apply
so you don't need to be an NGO you don't need to be a
a an expert like that for these plants when we will these
normal people Archies musicians everyone
it to be involved in the simple a.m. request once the celebrated are key
or working with but at the same time that was celebrated with
the start a conversation on what we do what we want what he's in what do you
think that
what a which by any means and which a.m.
for we want it you which way we want to protect it with no
wanted that free and open when and so it can be something
ass as a symbol that that screen and in the published
week space it can be something more elaborate it like that like a
well at your local library it can be anything you want you can be given that
spoke during the meeting love with Celia
a it dozen people whether whether a person's
in it for you and what also
we know that we can know the bottom a those fighting against
so we have a but it would response a
grants and these rapid response plans have for
it we it have I didn't buy that sometimes the make some be
happened in its own resources especially in some punches in the levels out so
for example did think about that very bad surveillance local
last Ian nicaragua so these rapid response
a which will be open during the whole give me love activist see
nascent me very bad things happen
and we think that if we it got another Google
people together and we read the
and it lets in the evening get assure PD about that
we have a good chance to as she that their opinion
our site there's decided rights and so that would be open as well
it would be that would be up in the or so at my and March
and you will be we may not be too late for year
and what we will at she but the end of the year is that very interesting
and when it should have experience we will see it
and that web it went well
people won't in a specific country with more intense the
follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a scene which techniques
I did this for rapid response went their separate you know of any Burnett
it by adding the collection experiences from the rapid response plans
and as a wee wee letter from at ways to engage
uploader Monique use a in our topics in our issues
so I I am very hopeful that especially artists
very creative activists it went for
I'm ways to engage in a broader public because the
need a he's ours and their
future eat the Benson also Serafini and more
it people invited me despite more was the strong and you get
a a at last I i will.
and we'll elected by everyone to
to being a slick here the way that you can gauge to use
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you are an expert in specific topics it he's great articles
News shared knowledge with people and peace it engage in that
them yet but that the egos headed
here where author sauce and the Internet offers those
use them for two people communicate and panicking and borders and they've been
there
it's lonely here a.m. the list that phone
it which is not that a website but he said that
on and made of the connecti that he's ready to
jumper and and do
think actions to say that with any moment that using in the
let so yes
what's it you well
thanks that's really I think it's great to serve to have that out there for
people to understand
all the way so they can get involved
wanting right so in thinking about how can we make
a little show today that would celebrate the web
I couldn't help but think about Global Voices
because that's what brings us all together here
and I think that our community and so many ways
I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't exist without the web
but doctor also so many on particular
attributes ovett in when it comes to access and openness that
allow us to do all the things that we do like including this
hang out right now I'm so I wanted to ask
although we're really short on time so I'm gonna have to asking to be super
presh
but chair you I kinda I said is there could you talk
a little bit about what with if you look at Global Voices
answered the way that it's grown-up on
with the Internet you've been here since the beginning so you can kinda wish
just tell us tell us a bit
okay well I I actually haven't been
where at Global Voices since the very beginning
but I joined near the start so maybe you can see on my screen
Global Voices we started actually in 2005
I and one of the great things about the story
is that it was started
quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman
arm who set up the original site I
along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out worked on the idea content and so
they actually used word press which is this system we still use today
and which is very similar to the web in a lot of sense is
I because it's a distributed project people all around the world develop it
its open source and it's free and it is so
not by convenience but by very explicit philosophy and they're very active in
defending Mac
arm and also in another way I originally
I at the time there was a very popular free software called movable type
which became commercial and instead sign a paper at people
switch to Word Press I'm so this was our original website
we later redesigned it several times I
and over the years we have grown with
I Word Press to at take advantage of the new features
and I keep running our site and sell running are
our whole infrastructure on this very decentralized open source model has been
I really rewarding experience for us are just as
using the web has then obviously I there what are the most interesting
things is that Global Voices is all about the web without the web without
that
decentralized of the ship anyone can write to it there would be no Global
Voices
the whole point in little ways as well as to recognize that people all over the
world were taking advantage of the benefits of the web
and create one place where you can find it sort of like a archie wise
I with GE pre web telnet days
a archive things happening all around
I've got Google Voice is dead arm
so yeah no and
you know we've tried a lot of different infrastructure based around the web over
the years
I we you strip all reviews a lot of different online service that is
obviously like everyone else
the temptation to take advantage of Google's free offerings has always been
are part of Global Voices DNA we use Google mailing lists we use
I all the different things that they make for free
which is an interesting part of the web because it's not the web that Google
just happening to give it away but at the company they have a tendency to
follow the spirit of the web
I even though they're doing so for commercial reasons
up but yeah that Mike
it very brief summary of the history always given how to parallel the web
thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to wrap up now but
just to do that I wanted to ask for
a couple love kinda final thoughts um
from from Allen and perhaps also Josh just
I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially
interested in if there are kinda thoughts that you have on all of the
activism and advocacy that's taking place around
fundamental rights on the internet kinda from from
your own
unique historical perspective and then
I wanted to close on by asking or not it's just tell
ass very little bit about Basle
I'm since there's also an important anniversary this weekend
%uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go and then we will
close-up won't end well arm
you know I'll I have I haven't been involved
awesome activists for a for a quite some time now
year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol biatch
I'll lying around the globe and and at the mall except maybe the nineties
I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of attention to that stuff
a I am currently in Barbados right now
and down it has been really interesting to
trying out for one example trying to access content
from United States om all your entertainment content action star
and II manual to study read but
a real it but in in practice the
antiquated models I'll %uh of content distribution
that we are still holding onto om in this day in age
where no geographical boundaries and national boundaries not
on Sat are still very much at once entropies business models
a get you know our are not things like
but our internet esta whiten way at it on
well I see no music industry a seamless happen now for
ethnic I'm I would certainly from the actors
on you in terms of keeping the the Internet I'm freaking
and unavailable its are it's going to be a real challenge I mean it's such a
important technology now and you have things like a great
wall are the Great Firewall of China Omni power
you know russia recently as a while yesterday today
shutting down I'll using got new laws to shut down access to
guess at I against hooting I'll
you know this getting reelected are I'm
egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot of people on the use of social
networking
I'll juju organize an activity on
people and bring them up onto the sheets so governments are scared this
technology
and it's important that we worked really hard to keep it is
this reason is because they realize that not for me chin
are you talking to mention you control the people so I'm
I think it is a strange journey partner people I
let's just do not want to continue to work are very hard to you
to stop the battle Austin form below the Legislature's
summer just another eight rats I mean you know never ascribe to malice what
will be
ascribed to incompetence and on these people are just incompetent not not
malicious
I'll but they are people who are malicious as well so we have to deal
with them as well
but top it's you know it's vitally important the yes
I nowadays not be these technologies reset
at the core or culture and the way we communicate on may
I me others at 10 quickly at
I think that we read in your interesting moment where
so many basic knowledge the
importance on the internet and no nowhere ands
be impact it's had a on every aspect of our
culture and and because of that I think we as the
users at the where into the internet have
a duty to hold the government
governments around the world in companies around the world accountable
and to you its
urge them and pressure them to protect the openness
that lies at the core I'll this entire
name and to protect not just openness but
also this notion 0 comments thats
I in our opinion quickly being lost
this notion that the that the internet and that the web are
I'll are publicly on and that
it the activity that takes place on them as activity that we
undertake net me it that is ours and that is not baby
mean up the big companies on his platforms
me undertake the activity so for example
google has allowed us to do a lot of things Google
lost by a lot of information extremely quickly
to connect to each other extremely well he is not working at
are doing right now but Google's doing all this and
at while mining the data to get
selling of that data that data is also creating this historic all
record up everything then search warrants a online which has been no
exploited by governments but also by companies as I think it's time for us to
think about that relationship between us
and these big companies which is becoming essential part of our
online experience and have to me the centralized that happen we
decouple ourselves from these giant companies and take back
or should I wear so that we are all in this experience in a deeper way and that
it's not and experience is purely commercial and a commercial transaction
between us and
and if a company so that that's a big question spent eight years for travel it
right solutions but we're hoping that we can start it our station now
well now now I'm not and now and we go back to something that
germs set and he left a but that he met means that you did in the
border Canadian border because the happier
and now with a while I want to talk about the set that up
at the end of the day yourself we've reduced
a number of people who can actually
eat some countries and not control the internet but you see
Eden you understand the infrastructure and use it in a way
that the weekend increase public who and they can
to help people in extreme situations and 10 did
it these people he said my friend but he kept happy
battle back to lead the Internet basically
Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian activities
and he said i think is the food culture and your clothes he said you know he's
not that he had not super nationalist
you keep keep he had trouble lol extensively
here Rams over two were and he liked that he likes to spend time
and learning how things water I'll in separate so that you think will
the computers and he has learned it himself healthy
up to the gold that it brings the own goal
then he was a he knows a lot about hardware as well and he knows and
about we coach or and and he said I'm
and when he so hey there You or was he so all these
wonderful things happen and and said he thought the
Britain's the create hacker space in the baskets
I don't know how translation what's what in the
apparently hackerspace what's a very scary Lord forgive CBN
as is to be and you don't answer me this:
and they saw it as a threat the people in power grid technology acid great
who don't plan to control people paso's
here on the 15 up December
two years ago they hackerspace with greater
all the computers where they cannot wait all the things with this month opened
him up
and united in wanna be set up Syrian please looking at that
reedy reader only goal well the nato the delaney
nuclear weapons or something like that %uh and
73 he have enough a weighty and he had been
recently was that he see West the
in a very very bad reason so did
orchard treatment but then he was a things through that book I feel
at thousands of people he was it we passed
her back to his VM recent we each
you can imagine how even deep is the civilian prison
how is this looks like and you he said a
the conditions get but worse
a that goes by and the Syrian government once
out all were resources the last people really
feed the last people they would take care all are the prisoners
on the book that last release it has a a health condition
he's all relief that but
me yeah what we me happy intrepid building at least it two years
is the keeping baseball and didn't keep reminding him that we haven't forgotten
and to keep reminded you that we yeah
in braided values that he embraces the that support the cause is that he
seen supports school a been up to
think you know the you know just been saddened but nothing
we have been deeply baffled they the 15 of March
what some things are already starting today and what we want is that joint
action
a Bleezy mean and
you can be it do remember bottle and not only battle
but remember Syria because it seems that because if the new laws media's
it we don't we don't be a hear about Syria and more
I mean it's is like good in December been on the popular
and we we will if we got some timely
were OK and something is good but neither the symbol
have well but then a vote no on the suffering and together we to
wood bats and I'm not sober system administrators
computer experts and had a fierce
what I recent so that we only care about journalists in others lots of people
that somebody will people
for the future Syria and who would increase in our
what the we need our solidarity
I mean let's elect to even you're leaving a gun T
air which has received a Syrian refugees
you show your solidarity I know that share on your computer
mind some appealing but maybe go won the nineteen a computer
with internet access this refugee camp so they can
stay in touch with their reluctance that growth may be
do enough to shark tall coach ashore gathering
your day I think that that there was no with ways who
help battle because that's what what but it probably will be between if you must
be
so my feeling is that not forget Syria
not forget that so that free internet if the
up the internet with the bath and this year and that's
we might want action what is the web she wants
where many about on so there is a lot of work to do
I'm and there are lots of ways to get involved
Street right about I think you everybody so much
for coming on today and um
we hope to see you everybody here and
out there next week on GB face thanks so much