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her weekly video hangout series I think

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our weekly video hangout series today we
are celebrating the 25th birthday

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other world-wide-web pretty exciting
that was on Wednesday

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I'm we've got a really all-star

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lineup of guests on today's program

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I'm moving from

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left to right we have Alan M touch very
special guest who is

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I can talk to us about has

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a arse web browser I

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we have Jeremy Clark in Montreal jeremy
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Josh levy from Free Press

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in Massachusetts nast and renown tabula

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I campaign manager for the web we won

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Creative Commons extraordinaire and
Stevie

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welcome everybody

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i'm too much just start today's

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show by talking a little bit about

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the World Wide Web and the Internet it's
a lotta people think that they're the

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same thing

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when actually that's not quite true

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wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm

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and just ask chair could you break it
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like I thought that the internet was
invented in the seventies but

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if it's the 25th birthday have the
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what does that mean okay

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well the best place to start I think is

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the internet who has existed in various
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since the 1970s as he say up but it was
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and so understanding the relationship is
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so the internet was invented by the US
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a mix of military in science funding I
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computers

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that can communicate with each other
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also comprise that built into the bad

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is called hypertext and that is the
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out documents that can link between each
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without having I to go and fetch a
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arm so there were lots of system since
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that we're trying to implement hypertext
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up but all of them where commercial
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and none of them were very popular so
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who is the inventor of the Internet I I

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though web obviously the World Wide Web
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put those two things together by
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on top of the Internet and he called it
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soul what the World Wide Web is is

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be decentralized hypertext I

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engine that we used I to communicate
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computers our web pages so

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what makes up web is three things

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URL's or you our eyes universal Resource
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which are the addresses we use to find
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Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup
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I which is the way that be information
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so that we can then used browsers to

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view HTML and then all the documents

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can be understood and then also

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they display the links so that the
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jump around from page to page

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I'm the final part is HTTP which is the
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which is the communication method by
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I HTML documents back and forth
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arm so when he built it there were some
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this system

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that didn't exist before and the main
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universal of worship so he always
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that anyone would be able to access
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and anyone would be able to add their
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permission

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I with the X very explicit special
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other web page

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without permission previous hypertext
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required that basically for you to link
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probably create a link back to you

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and that was the required on the web
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the people we who wit wouldn't want us

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to be able to link them for example so
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content but you

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can't send your readers here because I
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are the other one is that you made it
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so in the world a mentor in world them
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the most free thing is generally
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open source free software licenses and
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GPL because he wanted that what web
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but at the last minute yes he changed
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because in certain ways the GPL is
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restrictive because it forces other
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wouldn't have wanted to use

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web technology if it were GPL so he made
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and then from there when I'm to make all
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open and I general and three as possible

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are so that's my extremely brief history
internet if anyone is curious

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he wrote a wonderful book called weaving
the web about his experiences

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as you can see its short and he

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highlighted interesting technical
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I'll it being overwhelming it's very
approachable and he's a really

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interesting person ended the book is
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in procuring all

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crowded thank coach that's great chair

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I mean I think that that helps on in
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internet policy in Internet governance
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on the ability to kinda creepy

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innovate without permission like for
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be able to build parks a the web and

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and what you just laid out for us makes
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a web peace up the infrastructure is for
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for that capacity to become a real
tangible thing and somebody that

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something that now we can do you know we
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technical expertise to kindness build
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our own spaces there I'm so I'm

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if I can add just one more thing sorry I
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things that happen over the internet
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because that was the actual I miss a
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one example would be torrents where York
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and stream information directly without
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being mixed into the process I'm another
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is its own communication protocol that
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web sites to access and manage our now

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arm and then another one was the one
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them a very popular protocol was called
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people liked and sort it worked like the
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but it actually became commercial right
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that the web came out so people have
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they switched to using HTTP a shemale
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thank you so I want to move to Alan now

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I'm how I couldn't bill the first

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overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy
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having apparently speaker her big deal

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I'm salome just I

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you could tell us cuz I think a lot of
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on it would be really cool just to hear
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E all you sir what you were doing that
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should to do this and kinda what it was
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mean everything you've seen sense
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where time limited but welcome you know
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well arm I well that was lacking that

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a I was working out as a system and
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there's no cracks chips

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McGill University and I'm I A

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was responsible for getting all software
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getting software for the faculty and the
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are and at that time there it three
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I'll was I world's

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telnet which would allow you to log into
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me more machines your and

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FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol
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one sheet to another and at the time
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people had me it remember it was a non
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time actually commercial traffic was
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time because it was run by the National
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was using educational money and
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other than companies with research arms
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and HD and those kinds of things we
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why would a seems kinda amazing to even
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were out to provide are three states on
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this will be a megabyte you know I'll
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programs that you had written and I'll
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that will spread around the internet
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you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my
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or the information that means that
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and I got tired and since I'm easy and
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automated the process a got instead of
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now remember all of this was just file
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yes all the file names and all the
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those lists a plummets I only used it
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all students at your grad student at
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I'm somebody was asking for you know to
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you know he came in ASCII you at this
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if I I could help out tonight gave it to
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people then started asking well you know

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time and he thought was a silly that's
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to the database itself and in a moment
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archie which is our client without be
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might not see a year or so it come up
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all what many so it was I it was a
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you're getting the technology out there
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organization that work for when we first
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was two guests earned to put I'll

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the the HDD where software that he
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philosophy behind it it's really let's
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world we don't know what's what all this
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you know he even he I don't think having
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a CD take over the world attack the
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he created twenty years later to anybody

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leaders and what is now become

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to open this on and all up to

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on and up also privacy that have

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that me all would feel are embedded
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in the way that it was bill so

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Josh I wonder if you could explain to us
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your where your role is in your
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on tell us about the web we want
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and explain you know how you think this

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rights movement is is shaping up and

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and if you can kinda link it with
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out to be really wonderful although my
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my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press
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us-based organization we advocate for

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better technology media policy that
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or an open Internet or better
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people in the media including in and an
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thats online and for open access

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information and this Asian ever talk
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anniversary at the web has really
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for example to you at past

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strong mentality policies here in the US
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at basically ever since the issue first
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missile big internet service providers
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trafficking coming from their
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that fight is ongoing the FCC to better
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is charged with overseeing
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past rules in 2010 they were intended to
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in a way that we knew what was gonna
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anywhere as unfortunately we saw that

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happened earlier this year when I court
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throughout those roles effectively
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protections that people have

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and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy
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the internet versus the web right so
when we're talking about net neutrality

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which I have a lot of people

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heard about this on Sat that you should
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any information on why online without
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out with it that's a big company or the
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that's it a policy that applies to the
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computers connect with each other and we
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that the internet should be reno it
meaning that my computer should be able

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next yours into this well networked
computers without any entity

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inspecting the traffic trying to
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and based on that are in a blog so it
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denied application using walking it that
that should be totally unacceptable we

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should be able to net

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to whatever we want in whatever way we
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rights to the web

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is basically an application that ride
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the internet says global network the
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or network and so it is essential net
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as as we've seen today using the web is
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and big companies and governments have
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bad at the inn block alright things
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video that you want to watch features a
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I'm anyway so that's what the press is
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net neutrality and wall added that fight

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came a number campaign link their at me

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stock so it was that bad copyright
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and after that you know realization I
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we are needed

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I each other a little bit or those of us
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advocating for reopen it for a long time
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repressed led the development and
wrapping up something called the

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decoration etc reno

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which was a simple statement of
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information online

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and Adam backing up really fruitful
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organization the world wide web
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and we discussed ways in which we could
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forward this you that declaration effort

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to involve more troops around the world
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and shit guarantee that we all have
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are not a demanded any one country or
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it also added that in this great project
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which is seeking to do just that to you

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pass laws around the world that will
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into to access content on the web
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and its its building steam very very
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we are working with countries around the
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principles regarding the webinar rights
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and organizing lot smarter organizations
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by getting involved in this effort and
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gross we're all fighting the same by
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had come to light so I let me not to
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and hello everyone everybody'd 3d

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want me here a solo the way we want

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a very important group of organizations
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mention other then and Eve access

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that many of us are from you every EPC

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athlete Brett from the US its leader in
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the open-source Association dorgan as
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Open Knowledge Foundation which has
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you do and more from their reactions
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reactions that lets users say you you
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in different countries and a note so
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and what happens is usually the we got
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alls a everybody either and

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specific purpose a interest what very
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but not so well-informed legislator

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let's say five years we have seen so
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yeses want to have a a reaction bad
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action there it is sOooo believe the
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rights and be very interesting to see
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rights in the country even had been
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normal people Archies musicians everyone

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what a which by any means and which a.m.

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wanted that free and open when and so it
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grants and these rapid response plans
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last Ian nicaragua so these rapid
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nascent me very bad things happen

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we have a good chance to as she that
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our site there's decided rights and so
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it would be that would be up in the or
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and you will be we may not be too late
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and what we will at she but the end of
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and when it should have experience we
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and that web it went well

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people won't in a specific country with
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follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a
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it by adding the collection experiences
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and as a wee wee letter from at ways to
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uploader Monique use a in our topics in
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so I I am very hopeful that especially
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very creative activists it went for

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I'm ways to engage in a broader public
because the

487
00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:12,259
need a he's ours and their

488
00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:15,849
future eat the Benson also Serafini and
more

489
00:29:15,849 --> 00:29:19,959
it people invited me despite more was
the strong and you get

490
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,279
a a at last I i will.

491
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:28,119
and we'll elected by everyone to

492
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:33,069
to being a slick here the way that you
can gauge to use

493
00:29:33,069 --> 00:29:36,700
i'm nina and need to apply for these
grants will

494
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:40,100
not only pure bedford is Lansing to make
in 20

495
00:29:40,099 --> 00:29:44,569
I it you only if you want to write an
article

496
00:29:44,569 --> 00:29:48,869
you are an expert in specific topics it
he's great articles

497
00:29:48,869 --> 00:29:52,299
News shared knowledge with people and
peace it engage in that

498
00:29:52,299 --> 00:29:55,700
them yet but that the egos headed

499
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,269
here where author sauce and the Internet
offers those

500
00:29:59,269 --> 00:30:02,609
use them for two people communicate and
panicking and borders and they've been

501
00:30:02,609 --> 00:30:03,000
there

502
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,259
it's lonely here a.m. the list that
phone

503
00:30:07,259 --> 00:30:10,549
it which is not that a website but he
said that

504
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:14,789
on and made of the connecti that he's
ready to

505
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:18,029
jumper and and do

506
00:30:18,029 --> 00:30:21,609
think actions to say that with any
moment that using in the

507
00:30:21,609 --> 00:30:25,269
let so yes

508
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:28,539
what's it you well

509
00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:32,119
thanks that's really I think it's great
to serve to have that out there for

510
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:33,519
people to understand

511
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,660
all the way so they can get involved

512
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:40,558
wanting right so in thinking about how
can we make

513
00:30:40,558 --> 00:30:43,680
a little show today that would celebrate
the web

514
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,130
I couldn't help but think about Global
Voices

515
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:50,490
because that's what brings us all
together here

516
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:55,329
and I think that our community and so
many ways

517
00:30:55,329 --> 00:30:59,000
I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't
exist without the web

518
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,579
but doctor also so many on particular

519
00:31:03,579 --> 00:31:07,699
attributes ovett in when it comes to
access and openness that

520
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:11,500
allow us to do all the things that we do
like including this

521
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:16,359
hang out right now I'm so I wanted to
ask

522
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,819
although we're really short on time so
I'm gonna have to asking to be super

523
00:31:19,819 --> 00:31:20,460
presh

524
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:24,460
but chair you I kinda I said is there
could you talk

525
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:29,670
a little bit about what with if you look
at Global Voices

526
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:32,890
answered the way that it's grown-up on

527
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:37,450
with the Internet you've been here since
the beginning so you can kinda wish

528
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:40,620
just tell us tell us a bit

529
00:31:40,619 --> 00:31:43,909
okay well I I actually haven't been

530
00:31:43,910 --> 00:31:47,220
where at Global Voices since the very
beginning

531
00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:51,009
but I joined near the start so maybe you
can see on my screen

532
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:54,019
Global Voices we started actually in
2005

533
00:31:54,019 --> 00:31:57,119
I and one of the great things about the
story

534
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,419
is that it was started

535
00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:02,590
quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman

536
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:05,899
arm who set up the original site I

537
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:10,070
along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out
worked on the idea content and so

538
00:32:10,069 --> 00:32:13,720
they actually used word press which is
this system we still use today

539
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,200
and which is very similar to the web in
a lot of sense is

540
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,049
I because it's a distributed project
people all around the world develop it

541
00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:26,210
its open source and it's free and it is
so

542
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:30,470
not by convenience but by very explicit
philosophy and they're very active in

543
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:31,350
defending Mac

544
00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:35,240
arm and also in another way I originally

545
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,220
I at the time there was a very popular
free software called movable type

546
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:44,430
which became commercial and instead sign
a paper at people

547
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:48,400
switch to Word Press I'm so this was our
original website

548
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,650
we later redesigned it several times I

549
00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:55,740
and over the years we have grown with

550
00:32:55,740 --> 00:33:00,730
I Word Press to at take advantage of the
new features

551
00:33:00,730 --> 00:33:06,750
and I keep running our site and sell
running are

552
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:11,410
our whole infrastructure on this very
decentralized open source model has been

553
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:14,700
I really rewarding experience for us are
just as

554
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:18,220
using the web has then obviously I there
what are the most interesting

555
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:22,430
things is that Global Voices is all
about the web without the web without

556
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:22,980
that

557
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:26,539
decentralized of the ship anyone can
write to it there would be no Global

558
00:33:26,539 --> 00:33:27,129
Voices

559
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:31,430
the whole point in little ways as well
as to recognize that people all over the

560
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:33,900
world were taking advantage of the
benefits of the web

561
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:37,630
and create one place where you can find
it sort of like a archie wise

562
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:41,760
I with GE pre web telnet days

563
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,769
a archive things happening all around

564
00:33:44,769 --> 00:33:47,879
I've got Google Voice is dead arm

565
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,120
so yeah no and

566
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,859
you know we've tried a lot of different
infrastructure based around the web over

567
00:33:54,859 --> 00:33:55,589
the years

568
00:33:55,589 --> 00:34:00,259
I we you strip all reviews a lot of
different online service that is

569
00:34:00,259 --> 00:34:01,970
obviously like everyone else

570
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:05,870
the temptation to take advantage of
Google's free offerings has always been

571
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:10,159
are part of Global Voices DNA we use
Google mailing lists we use

572
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,349
I all the different things that they
make for free

573
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:16,809
which is an interesting part of the web
because it's not the web that Google

574
00:34:16,809 --> 00:34:20,518
just happening to give it away but at
the company they have a tendency to

575
00:34:20,518 --> 00:34:22,159
follow the spirit of the web

576
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,190
I even though they're doing so for
commercial reasons

577
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:29,309
up but yeah that Mike

578
00:34:29,309 --> 00:34:32,659
it very brief summary of the history
always given how to parallel the web

579
00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:38,299
thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to
wrap up now but

580
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,560
just to do that I wanted to ask for

581
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,980
a couple love kinda final thoughts um

582
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:49,969
from from Allen and perhaps also Josh
just

583
00:34:49,969 --> 00:34:53,250
I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially

584
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:57,440
interested in if there are kinda
thoughts that you have on all of the

585
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,269
activism and advocacy that's taking
place around

586
00:35:01,269 --> 00:35:04,539
fundamental rights on the internet kinda
from from

587
00:35:04,539 --> 00:35:06,130
your own

588
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:09,340
unique historical perspective and then

589
00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:13,700
I wanted to close on by asking or not
it's just tell

590
00:35:13,699 --> 00:35:16,939
ass very little bit about Basle

591
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:21,099
I'm since there's also an important
anniversary this weekend

592
00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:25,440
%uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go
and then we will

593
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,269
close-up won't end well arm

594
00:35:29,269 --> 00:35:33,059
you know I'll I have I haven't been
involved

595
00:35:33,059 --> 00:35:36,889
awesome activists for a for a quite some
time now

596
00:35:36,889 --> 00:35:40,039
year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol
biatch

597
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:44,699
I'll lying around the globe and and at
the mall except maybe the nineties

598
00:35:44,699 --> 00:35:48,759
I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of
attention to that stuff

599
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,220
a I am currently in Barbados right now

600
00:35:52,219 --> 00:35:55,299
and down it has been really interesting
to

601
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,950
trying out for one example trying to
access content

602
00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:03,519
from United States om all your
entertainment content action star

603
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,750
and II manual to study read but

604
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:09,969
a real it but in in practice the

605
00:36:09,969 --> 00:36:14,269
antiquated models I'll %uh of content
distribution

606
00:36:14,269 --> 00:36:18,349
that we are still holding onto om in
this day in age

607
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:21,480
where no geographical boundaries and
national boundaries not

608
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,809
on Sat are still very much at once
entropies business models

609
00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:28,849
a get you know our are not things like

610
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:32,009
but our internet esta whiten way at it
on

611
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:35,420
well I see no music industry a seamless
happen now for

612
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:38,630
ethnic I'm I would certainly from the
actors

613
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:42,320
on you in terms of keeping the the
Internet I'm freaking

614
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,980
and unavailable its are it's going to be
a real challenge I mean it's such a

615
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:49,699
important technology now and you have
things like a great

616
00:36:49,699 --> 00:36:53,639
wall are the Great Firewall of China
Omni power

617
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,309
you know russia recently as a while
yesterday today

618
00:36:57,309 --> 00:37:02,699
shutting down I'll using got new laws to
shut down access to

619
00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:06,059
guess at I against hooting I'll

620
00:37:06,059 --> 00:37:09,199
you know this getting reelected are I'm

621
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,879
egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot
of people on the use of social

622
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,820
networking

623
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:17,230
I'll juju organize an activity on

624
00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:20,699
people and bring them up onto the sheets
so governments are scared this

625
00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:21,539
technology

626
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:24,929
and it's important that we worked really
hard to keep it is

627
00:37:24,929 --> 00:37:28,069
this reason is because they realize that
not for me chin

628
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:31,720
are you talking to mention you control
the people so I'm

629
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,399
I think it is a strange journey partner
people I

630
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,250
let's just do not want to continue to
work are very hard to you

631
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:42,730
to stop the battle Austin form below the
Legislature's

632
00:37:42,730 --> 00:37:46,590
summer just another eight rats I mean
you know never ascribe to malice what

633
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,039
will be

634
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:52,199
ascribed to incompetence and on these
people are just incompetent not not

635
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:52,909
malicious

636
00:37:52,909 --> 00:37:56,809
I'll but they are people who are
malicious as well so we have to deal

637
00:37:56,809 --> 00:37:57,679
with them as well

638
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,049
but top it's you know it's vitally
important the yes

639
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:04,420
I nowadays not be these technologies
reset

640
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:11,420
at the core or culture and the way we
communicate on may

641
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:17,929
I me others at 10 quickly at

642
00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:21,480
I think that we read in your interesting
moment where

643
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,789
so many basic knowledge the

644
00:38:24,789 --> 00:38:28,789
importance on the internet and no
nowhere ands

645
00:38:28,789 --> 00:38:32,920
be impact it's had a on every aspect of
our

646
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,409
culture and and because of that I think
we as the

647
00:38:36,409 --> 00:38:40,199
users at the where into the internet
have

648
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,819
a duty to hold the government

649
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:49,039
governments around the world in
companies around the world accountable

650
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,219
and to you its

651
00:38:52,219 --> 00:38:56,619
urge them and pressure them to protect
the openness

652
00:38:56,619 --> 00:39:00,799
that lies at the core I'll this entire

653
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,210
name and to protect not just openness
but

654
00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:07,269
also this notion 0 comments thats

655
00:39:07,269 --> 00:39:10,989
I in our opinion quickly being lost

656
00:39:10,989 --> 00:39:14,789
this notion that the that the internet
and that the web are

657
00:39:14,789 --> 00:39:17,869
I'll are publicly on and that

658
00:39:17,869 --> 00:39:22,289
it the activity that takes place on them
as activity that we

659
00:39:22,289 --> 00:39:26,199
undertake net me it that is ours and
that is not baby

660
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,519
mean up the big companies on his
platforms

661
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,710
me undertake the activity so for example

662
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:36,340
google has allowed us to do a lot of
things Google

663
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:39,460
lost by a lot of information extremely
quickly

664
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:42,679
to connect to each other extremely well
he is not working at

665
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,449
are doing right now but Google's doing
all this and

666
00:39:46,449 --> 00:39:49,509
at while mining the data to get

667
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:54,300
selling of that data that data is also
creating this historic all

668
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:58,340
record up everything then search
warrants a online which has been no

669
00:39:58,340 --> 00:40:02,160
exploited by governments but also by
companies as I think it's time for us to

670
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,379
think about that relationship between us

671
00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:09,210
and these big companies which is
becoming essential part of our

672
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:14,570
online experience and have to me the
centralized that happen we

673
00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:17,860
decouple ourselves from these giant
companies and take back

674
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:22,940
or should I wear so that we are all in
this experience in a deeper way and that

675
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:26,630
it's not and experience is purely
commercial and a commercial transaction

676
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:27,970
between us and

677
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:31,799
and if a company so that that's a big
question spent eight years for travel it

678
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:38,800
right solutions but we're hoping that we
can start it our station now

679
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:47,300
well now now I'm not and now and we go
back to something that

680
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:52,690
germs set and he left a but that he met
means that you did in the

681
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:56,099
border Canadian border because the
happier

682
00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:59,679
and now with a while I want to talk
about the set that up

683
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,339
at the end of the day yourself we've
reduced

684
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:06,630
a number of people who can actually

685
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:10,619
eat some countries and not control the
internet but you see

686
00:41:10,619 --> 00:41:14,909
Eden you understand the infrastructure
and use it in a way

687
00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:18,039
that the weekend increase public who and
they can

688
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,710
to help people in extreme situations and
10 did

689
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:25,539
it these people he said my friend but he
kept happy

690
00:41:25,539 --> 00:41:29,630
battle back to lead the Internet
basically

691
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:34,269
Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian
activities

692
00:41:34,269 --> 00:41:38,500
and he said i think is the food culture
and your clothes he said you know he's

693
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,619
not that he had not super nationalist

694
00:41:40,619 --> 00:41:43,819
you keep keep he had trouble lol
extensively

695
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:48,940
here Rams over two were and he liked
that he likes to spend time

696
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:53,470
and learning how things water I'll in
separate so that you think will

697
00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:58,169
the computers and he has learned it
himself healthy

698
00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:02,059
up to the gold that it brings the own
goal

699
00:42:02,059 --> 00:42:06,409
then he was a he knows a lot about
hardware as well and he knows and

700
00:42:06,409 --> 00:42:09,589
about we coach or and and he said I'm

701
00:42:09,590 --> 00:42:14,170
and when he so hey there You or was he
so all these

702
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:17,750
wonderful things happen and and said he
thought the

703
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:21,230
Britain's the create hacker space in the
baskets

704
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:24,510
I don't know how translation what's what
in the

705
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:28,820
apparently hackerspace what's a very
scary Lord forgive CBN

706
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:32,039
as is to be and you don't answer me
this:

707
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:37,989
and they saw it as a threat the people
in power grid technology acid great

708
00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:41,389
who don't plan to control people paso's

709
00:42:41,389 --> 00:42:44,480
here on the 15 up December

710
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,750
two years ago they hackerspace with
greater

711
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:52,409
all the computers where they cannot wait
all the things with this month opened

712
00:42:52,409 --> 00:42:52,739
him up

713
00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:56,599
and united in wanna be set up Syrian
please looking at that

714
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:00,299
reedy reader only goal well the nato the
delaney

715
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,730
nuclear weapons or something like that
%uh and

716
00:43:03,730 --> 00:43:06,960
73 he have enough a weighty and he had
been

717
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,240
recently was that he see West the

718
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,399
in a very very bad reason so did

719
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,960
orchard treatment but then he was a
things through that book I feel

720
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,220
at thousands of people he was it we
passed

721
00:43:21,219 --> 00:43:24,509
her back to his VM recent we each

722
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:27,660
you can imagine how even deep is the
civilian prison

723
00:43:27,659 --> 00:43:31,858
how is this looks like and you he said a

724
00:43:31,858 --> 00:43:34,880
the conditions get but worse

725
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,559
a that goes by and the Syrian government
once

726
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,358
out all were resources the last people
really

727
00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:46,819
feed the last people they would take
care all are the prisoners

728
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:51,120
on the book that last release it has a a
health condition

729
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,259
he's all relief that but

730
00:43:54,260 --> 00:43:58,560
me yeah what we me happy intrepid
building at least it two years

731
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:03,690
is the keeping baseball and didn't keep
reminding him that we haven't forgotten

732
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:06,829
and to keep reminded you that we yeah

733
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:11,719
in braided values that he embraces the
that support the cause is that he

734
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,379
seen supports school a been up to

735
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:19,400
think you know the you know just been
saddened but nothing

736
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,030
we have been deeply baffled they the 15
of March

737
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:27,450
what some things are already starting
today and what we want is that joint

738
00:44:27,449 --> 00:44:28,119
action

739
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,259
a Bleezy mean and

740
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:35,460
you can be it do remember bottle and not
only battle

741
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:40,519
but remember Syria because it seems that
because if the new laws media's

742
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:44,269
it we don't we don't be a hear about
Syria and more

743
00:44:44,269 --> 00:44:48,179
I mean it's is like good in December
been on the popular

744
00:44:48,179 --> 00:44:52,108
and we we will if we got some timely

745
00:44:52,108 --> 00:44:55,819
were OK and something is good but
neither the symbol

746
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:59,870
have well but then a vote no on the
suffering and together we to

747
00:44:59,869 --> 00:45:03,420
wood bats and I'm not sober system
administrators

748
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:06,769
computer experts and had a fierce

749
00:45:06,769 --> 00:45:11,050
what I recent so that we only care about
journalists in others lots of people

750
00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:12,300
that somebody will people

751
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:16,170
for the future Syria and who would
increase in our

752
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:19,320
what the we need our solidarity

753
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,609
I mean let's elect to even you're
leaving a gun T

754
00:45:22,608 --> 00:45:25,759
air which has received a Syrian refugees

755
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,109
you show your solidarity I know that
share on your computer

756
00:45:30,108 --> 00:45:34,569
mind some appealing but maybe go won the
nineteen a computer

757
00:45:34,570 --> 00:45:37,730
with internet access this refugee camp
so they can

758
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:41,050
stay in touch with their reluctance that
growth may be

759
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:45,140
do enough to shark tall coach ashore
gathering

760
00:45:45,139 --> 00:45:48,579
your day I think that that there was no
with ways who

761
00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:52,569
help battle because that's what what but
it probably will be between if you must

762
00:45:52,570 --> 00:45:53,559
be

763
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,820
so my feeling is that not forget Syria

764
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:00,220
not forget that so that free internet if
the

765
00:46:00,219 --> 00:46:03,679
up the internet with the bath and this
year and that's

766
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:08,529
we might want action what is the web she
wants

767
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:12,350
where many about on so there is a lot of
work to do

768
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:16,299
I'm and there are lots of ways to get
involved

769
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:20,230
Street right about I think you everybody
so much

770
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:24,800
for coming on today and um

771
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,039
we hope to see you everybody here and

772
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,480
out there next week on GB face thanks so
much