her weekly video hangout series I think
let's see we started a little bit of
time so I'll say it again welcome to GV
face
our weekly video hangout series today we
are celebrating the 25th birthday
other world-wide-web pretty exciting
that was on Wednesday
I'm we've got a really all-star
lineup of guests on today's program
I'm moving from
left to right we have Alan M touch very
special guest who is
I can talk to us about has
very special opps and
a arse web browser I
we have Jeremy Clark in Montreal jeremy
is a technical director at Global Voices
Josh levy from Free Press
in Massachusetts nast and renown tabula
I campaign manager for the web we won
Creative Commons extraordinaire and
Stevie
star who is joining us from Berlin
welcome everybody
i'm too much just start today's
show by talking a little bit about
the World Wide Web and the Internet it's
a lotta people think that they're the
same thing
when actually that's not quite true
wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm
and just ask chair could you break it
down for us
like I thought that the internet was
invented in the seventies but
if it's the 25th birthday have the
weapons
what does that mean okay
well the best place to start I think is
the internet who has existed in various
formats
since the 1970s as he say up but it was
the web that made it really enter our
homes
and so understanding the relationship is
important
so the internet was invented by the US
government in a lot of sense is
a mix of military in science funding I
that developed the network at the actual
computers
that can communicate with each other
over wires
arm now another related technology that
is
also comprise that built into the bad
is called hypertext and that is the
notion
out documents that can link between each
other immediately
without having I to go and fetch a
separate document
arm so there were lots of system since
the nineteen sixties
that we're trying to implement hypertext
like that to do with an example
up but all of them where commercial
expensive closed
and none of them were very popular so
Tim berners-lee
who is the inventor of the Internet I I
though web obviously the World Wide Web
arm
put those two things together by
building a service that runs
on top of the Internet and he called it
the World Wide Web
soul what the World Wide Web is is
be decentralized hypertext I
engine that we used I to communicate
between
computers our web pages so
what makes up web is three things
URL's or you our eyes universal Resource
Locator
which are the addresses we use to find
things on the web
Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup
Language
I which is the way that be information
is stored and sent
so that we can then used browsers to
view HTML and then all the documents
can be understood and then also
they display the links so that the
Hypertext part if it works and we can
jump around from page to page
I'm the final part is HTTP which is the
Hypertext Transfer Protocol
which is the communication method by
which the different computers
can talk to each other and send be
I HTML documents back and forth
depending on the URL's
arm so when he built it there were some
very important things that he built into
this system
that didn't exist before and the main
one is
universal of worship so he always
intended
that anyone would be able to access
these web pages
and anyone would be able to add their
own web pages without asking for
permission
I with the X very explicit special
condition that anyone can link to any
other web page
without permission previous hypertext
systems
required that basically for you to link
to me I have to accept that link can
probably create a link back to you
and that was the required on the web
which gives us a lot of freedom to make
the people we who wit wouldn't want us
to be able to link them for example so
no one can say I'm putting up tree
content but you
can't send your readers here because I
hate you et cetera
are the other one is that you made it
completely completely 3
so in the world a mentor in world them
programming
the most free thing is generally
considered to be the GPL
open source free software licenses and
Tim berners-lee actually almost use the
GPL because he wanted that what web
software he was building to be free
but at the last minute yes he changed
his mind made it call public domain
because in certain ways the GPL is
actually more respect
restrictive because it forces other
people like certain commercial actors
wouldn't have wanted to use
web technology if it were GPL so he made
a full public domain
and then from there when I'm to make all
of the standard size
open and I general and three as possible
are so that's my extremely brief history
internet if anyone is curious
he wrote a wonderful book called weaving
the web about his experiences
as you can see its short and he
highlighted interesting technical
information in it without
I'll it being overwhelming it's very
approachable and he's a really
interesting person ended the book is
much better than his tweets which are
usually
in procuring all
crowded thank coach that's great chair
I mean I think that that helps on in
conversations about
internet policy in Internet governance
there's a lot of emphasis
on the ability to kinda creepy
innovate without permission like for
everybody to
be able to build parks a the web and
and what you just laid out for us makes
it clear how important
a web peace up the infrastructure is for
that
for that capacity to become a real
tangible thing and somebody that
something that now we can do you know we
don't have to have
technical expertise to kindness build
our own
our own spaces there I'm so I'm
if I can add just one more thing sorry I
as want to give a couple examples the
things that happen over the internet
that arent to bad
because that was the actual I miss a
question so
one example would be torrents where York
the cookie to computers connect to each
other
and stream information directly without
any URL's
being mixed into the process I'm another
one is email at its core
is its own communication protocol that
doesn't have to use the web although we
often use
web sites to access and manage our now
arm and then another one was the one
right before the web came out
them a very popular protocol was called
go for which
people liked and sort it worked like the
where'd you just surf around and find
things
but it actually became commercial right
around the time
that the web came out so people have
would have had to start paying and
instead of having to pay
they switched to using HTTP a shemale
and the world but
thank you so I want to move to Alan now
I'm how I couldn't bill the first
search engine
and I'm kinda like
overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy
and nervous
having apparently speaker her big deal
I'm salome just I
you could tell us cuz I think a lot of
people don't know about archie
on it would be really cool just to hear
about
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made you decide
should to do this and kinda what it was
like and then
mean everything you've seen sense
unfortunately
where time limited but welcome you know
therapy
well arm I well that was lacking that
19 I 89 and
a I was working out as a system and
mentorship therefore I am getting worse
there's no cracks chips
McGill University and I'm I A
was responsible for getting all software
for one on my responsibilities
getting software for the faculty and the
students
are and at that time there it three
major protocols on the internet this is
pretty where
I'll was I world's
telnet which would allow you to log into
a remote machine
email I which allow you to communicate
I with one what we do know 10
me more machines your and
FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol
which allowed you to move
Wow data files or file was from one
which
one sheet to another and at the time
what we had was
people had me it remember it was a non
commercial Internet
time actually commercial traffic was
forbidden on the Internet
time because it was run by the National
Science Foundation
was using educational money and
therefore
other than companies with research arms
like ID and I'll
and HD and those kinds of things we
didn't have any commercial traffic on
the Internet which
why would a seems kinda amazing to even
think about
and I so what people who did
were out to provide are three states on
your machine
remember you know at the time a big a
big
this will be a megabyte you know I'll
and so people would provide
common a or depositary still
that that you could deposit I'm
programs that you had written and I'll
data files
and documents back in stock into the
central repositories
that will spread around the internet
that other people can then
you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my
time trying to locate software
or the information that means that
students in the Faculty are trying to
find
and I got tired and since I'm easy and
the geek
I A arm I A I
automated the process a got instead of
doing it manually
I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the
middle of the night every night
and go all index these files
now remember all of this was just file
listings it's not like we will it's not
like a
I'll search engine will be today I if
yes
just I just found it's all it was bonds
and so what they would do with it would
go out every night
yes all the file names and all the
repositories allow you to search
those lists a plummets I only used it
for myself
I only used it I'm for my own
for my own personal use on at one point
my eyeballs was also
all students at your grad student at
University I'll
let peter deutsch lettin you know that
I'm somebody was asking for you know to
date could
somebody tell them where arm
emails pretty creepy software was and
I we from we see
you know he came in ASCII you at this
database iniki mostly
if I I could help out tonight gave it to
him in it you know
Pakistan pack a minute later I had the
information and so he put this
yeah posting online and I'll
people then started asking well you know
can you find this from Ian in all these
manual request
basically either through email or Usenet
postings which is what we're using
time and he thought was a silly that's
not quite doing these things manually
one week just allow people access
to the database itself and in a moment
of insanity
I we have to come up with a name for it
and I said okay well let's just call it
archie which is our client without be
and dad are
and with a no vote so out both here for
months
we were consuming what's happened all
high quality traffic to Eastern Canada
on as this search engine became his
people
you know work now I you you know people
who know RGR
generally people up a certain age I
won't mention what what ages but
and it's generally people who were in
university or working
on the internet so it would have been
researched people people in academia
I in the early 90s orgiastic for
about I am a.m.
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I'll index where now I went on
as or TJ popular and I got one ball in
the standards policies not gonna stop I
worked
of very closely with Tim berners-lee to
I am
to standardize for example I did the and
Graham
media the standard-setting body to the
Internet DCI 88
I to standardize URL's because
10 had come up with a set of above rules
the world and the
as me looked at expanding that's larger
range
out %uh resources we realize that what
rules did not
on a ver all cases so we worked
for our 10 brought that specification
his original specification to the
to group and we worked on it for I don't
remember
might not see a year or so it come up
with a standard for you or else so all
of those you're also use
day in and day out world were
standardized as a result
all what many so it was I it was a
really exciting time
it was at time out by you know the
question I always get is why did
I make a billion dollars of a bit and I
keep reminding people that
are mostly people who are pioneers with
the accepted Mr
edmark and Jason arm or
didn't make a whole lot of money off
with the squirrel
the switch in the plains we were working
in an environment which
I'll put a premium on I'll
you're getting the technology out there
making it is widely available as
possible
I tens big coup with Sharon which is the
organization that work for when we first
develop where
was two guests earned to put I'll
the the HDD where software that he
agreed
into the public to me all so it wasn't
even choose to give away
it was surgeons property as it as an
employee
he it was actually belong to Sir and
down
I she he actually convince them to be
able to
but in the public domain what's what
really all
17 Center with a firearm with the whole
so I'll at the time the the
philosophy behind it it's really let's
get this out there this is a brave new
world we don't know what's what all this
technology can be used for
I don't think any of us including 10
imagine what it would become
a you know he he always had a much
grander vision a bit
but I don't I I can guarantee you I
spent many many many many in our
and I with David sandbar is changing it
then and I can't guarantee you that
he did not suit anymore certain
I'm I should dare and
you know he even he I don't think having
idea that it would
a CD take over the world attack the
world's population will be using this
system or
he created twenty years later to anybody
or thank you so much I mean so
speaking and threats yeah it has I'm
changed and I guess
taken over in a way I that me
that mean I'm sure wouldn't have
expected a
I wanted to now move to Josh
and judge were not I'll cool are both
perini I'll who
very committed involves
leaders and what is now become
a global at for two
mean the way it was surprising in to
save the Internet or preserve and
protect
to open this on and all up to
right to tree expression access
on and up also privacy that have
that me all would feel are embedded
actually
in the way that it was bill so
Josh I wonder if you could explain to us
really briefly what
your where your role is in your
organization and then also
on tell us about the web we want
campaign
and explain you know how you think this
rights movement is is shaping up and
and if you can kinda link it with
everything that Allen just laid out for
us
out to be really wonderful although my
best so
my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press
where
us-based organization we advocate for
better technology media policy that
allows
or an open Internet or better
representation
people in the media including in and an
immediate
thats online and for open access
information and this Asian ever talk
method
anniversary at the web has really
central to our work because we've been
fighting
for example to you at past
strong mentality policies here in the US
for years
at basically ever since the issue first
came up with the mid 2000's
missile big internet service providers
blocking
trafficking coming from their
destinations and
that fight is ongoing the FCC to better
communications commission here in the US
which
is charged with overseeing
communications and technology policy
past rules in 2010 they were intended to
protect me chali but we're passing our
in a way that we knew what was gonna
hold up in court
anywhere as unfortunately we saw that
happened earlier this year when I court
in Washington DC
throughout those roles effectively
throwing out any net neutrality
protections that people have
and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy
were saying
the internet versus the web right so
when we're talking about net neutrality
which I have a lot of people
heard about this on Sat that you should
be able to access
any information on why online without
anybody getting in the way
out with it that's a big company or the
government
an that is essentially
that's it a policy that applies to the
Internet to the ways in which all are
computers connect with each other and we
have this basic understanding
that the internet should be reno it
meaning that my computer should be able
next yours into this well networked
computers without any entity
inspecting the traffic trying to
understand what you're trying to access
and based on that are in a blog so it
doesn't like the video watching slowing
it down our
denied application using walking it that
that should be totally unacceptable we
should be able to net
to whatever we want in whatever way we
want and that includes using the web
rights to the web
is basically an application that ride
over the Internet
the internet says global network the
weather is just one application that
uses that
or network and so it is essential net
challenged essential using where the
as as we've seen today using the web is
so essential to all our lives
and big companies and governments have
so much power over it
bad at the inn block alright things
political speech
video that you want to watch features a
cat there so
I'm anyway so that's what the press is
doing in large part is trying to protect
that notion
net neutrality and wall added that fight
came a number campaign link their at me
stock so it was that bad copyright
they'll your get your the US
and after that you know realization I
think here the US around the world that
we are needed
I each other a little bit or those of us
who have been
advocating for reopen it for a long time
and so we started doing that
repressed led the development and
wrapping up something called the
decoration etc reno
which was a simple statement of
principles out they are right to access
information online
and Adam backing up really fruitful
relationship with Tim berners-lee
organization the world wide web
foundation
and we discussed ways in which we could
move that effort
forward this you that declaration effort
to involve more troops around the world
more people around the world
and shit guarantee that we all have
access to information
and that that access and the principles
behind it
are not a demanded any one country or
anyone
it also added that in this great project
the web we want which we're not going to
tell you more about
which is seeking to do just that to you
pass laws around the world that will
protect people's right to access the
internet
into to access content on the web
without anybody getting in the way
and its its building steam very very
quickly
we are working with countries around the
world developed their own set of
principles regarding the webinar rights
on it
and organizing lot smarter organizations
that it really excited
by getting involved in this effort and
art remote uniting
gross we're all fighting the same by
departs the world is
had come to light so I let me not to
tell you more about that
and hello everyone everybody'd 3d
want me here a solo the way we want
it would be set luncheon of a
a very important group of organizations
FMC society and we'll
mention other then and Eve access
that many of us are from you every EPC
athlete Brett from the US its leader in
jordan Eberle
the open-source Association dorgan as
well
and a consumers international
and article nineteen that's the only
thing about God's mercy O
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US
and me we have the we got the
confirmation that
Open Knowledge Foundation which has
affiliate is over
war doing this book ASO
basically they can be what we are trying
to achieve a here
you do and more from their reactions
because the
reactions that lets users say you you
outcropping approach
you have a positive agenda like this a
first
in different countries and a note so
nobody
and what happens is usually the we got
together let me know and we reacted
badly to his nation be
alls a everybody either and
specific purpose a interest what very
creative
but not so well-informed legislator
and in so you the last
let's say five years we have seen so
many mobile stations
against against against so we think that
yeses want to have a a reaction bad
legislation but he's much more effective
the
also people to use the Site a nobody
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and so and we would have a deeper and
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that
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specific countries
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Committee
so that there's something going on there
some movement in society in there so
action there it is sOooo believe the
country's between the
week at that decided you get that first
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and got to use a button and more
stronger support
from the one a what we won by Jenson
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that every Christian
rights and be very interesting to see
how the deterioration
rights in the country even had been
taken in a democratic country villa
in years has been very extreme is that
is really
affecting the region Anna apart from you
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national dialogue scene is going to say
warm it well and we have also and we are
left
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well
at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone
to apply
so you don't need to be an NGO you don't
need to be a
a an expert like that for these plants
when we will these
normal people Archies musicians everyone
it to be involved in the simple a.m.
request once the celebrated are key
or working with but at the same time
that was celebrated with
the start a conversation on what we do
what we want what he's in what do you
think that
what a which by any means and which a.m.
for we want it you which way we want to
protect it with no
wanted that free and open when and so it
can be something
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the published
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elaborate it like that like a
well at your local library it can be
anything you want you can be given that
spoke during the meeting love with Celia
a it dozen people whether whether a
person's
in it for you and what also
we know that we can know the bottom a
those fighting against
so we have a but it would response a
grants and these rapid response plans
have for
it we it have I didn't buy that
sometimes the make some be
happened in its own resources especially
in some punches in the levels out so
for example did think about that very
bad surveillance local
last Ian nicaragua so these rapid
response
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give me love activist see
nascent me very bad things happen
and we think that if we it got another
Google
people together and we read the
and it lets in the evening get assure PD
about that
we have a good chance to as she that
their opinion
our site there's decided rights and so
that would be open as well
it would be that would be up in the or
so at my and March
and you will be we may not be too late
for year
and what we will at she but the end of
the year is that very interesting
and when it should have experience we
will see it
and that web it went well
people won't in a specific country with
more intense the
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scene which techniques
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separate you know of any Burnett
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from the rapid response plans
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engage
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our issues
so I I am very hopeful that especially
artists
very creative activists it went for
I'm ways to engage in a broader public
because the
need a he's ours and their
future eat the Benson also Serafini and
more
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to being a slick here the way that you
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article
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offers those
use them for two people communicate and
panicking and borders and they've been
there
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said that
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jumper and and do
think actions to say that with any
moment that using in the
let so yes
what's it you well
thanks that's really I think it's great
to serve to have that out there for
people to understand
all the way so they can get involved
wanting right so in thinking about how
can we make
a little show today that would celebrate
the web
I couldn't help but think about Global
Voices
because that's what brings us all
together here
and I think that our community and so
many ways
I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't
exist without the web
but doctor also so many on particular
attributes ovett in when it comes to
access and openness that
allow us to do all the things that we do
like including this
hang out right now I'm so I wanted to
ask
although we're really short on time so
I'm gonna have to asking to be super
presh
but chair you I kinda I said is there
could you talk
a little bit about what with if you look
at Global Voices
answered the way that it's grown-up on
with the Internet you've been here since
the beginning so you can kinda wish
just tell us tell us a bit
okay well I I actually haven't been
where at Global Voices since the very
beginning
but I joined near the start so maybe you
can see on my screen
Global Voices we started actually in
2005
I and one of the great things about the
story
is that it was started
quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman
arm who set up the original site I
along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out
worked on the idea content and so
they actually used word press which is
this system we still use today
and which is very similar to the web in
a lot of sense is
I because it's a distributed project
people all around the world develop it
its open source and it's free and it is
so
not by convenience but by very explicit
philosophy and they're very active in
defending Mac
arm and also in another way I originally
I at the time there was a very popular
free software called movable type
which became commercial and instead sign
a paper at people
switch to Word Press I'm so this was our
original website
we later redesigned it several times I
and over the years we have grown with
I Word Press to at take advantage of the
new features
and I keep running our site and sell
running are
our whole infrastructure on this very
decentralized open source model has been
I really rewarding experience for us are
just as
using the web has then obviously I there
what are the most interesting
things is that Global Voices is all
about the web without the web without
that
decentralized of the ship anyone can
write to it there would be no Global
Voices
the whole point in little ways as well
as to recognize that people all over the
world were taking advantage of the
benefits of the web
and create one place where you can find
it sort of like a archie wise
I with GE pre web telnet days
a archive things happening all around
I've got Google Voice is dead arm
so yeah no and
you know we've tried a lot of different
infrastructure based around the web over
the years
I we you strip all reviews a lot of
different online service that is
obviously like everyone else
the temptation to take advantage of
Google's free offerings has always been
are part of Global Voices DNA we use
Google mailing lists we use
I all the different things that they
make for free
which is an interesting part of the web
because it's not the web that Google
just happening to give it away but at
the company they have a tendency to
follow the spirit of the web
I even though they're doing so for
commercial reasons
up but yeah that Mike
it very brief summary of the history
always given how to parallel the web
thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to
wrap up now but
just to do that I wanted to ask for
a couple love kinda final thoughts um
from from Allen and perhaps also Josh
just
I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially
interested in if there are kinda
thoughts that you have on all of the
activism and advocacy that's taking
place around
fundamental rights on the internet kinda
from from
your own
unique historical perspective and then
I wanted to close on by asking or not
it's just tell
ass very little bit about Basle
I'm since there's also an important
anniversary this weekend
%uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go
and then we will
close-up won't end well arm
you know I'll I have I haven't been
involved
awesome activists for a for a quite some
time now
year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol
biatch
I'll lying around the globe and and at
the mall except maybe the nineties
I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of
attention to that stuff
a I am currently in Barbados right now
and down it has been really interesting
to
trying out for one example trying to
access content
from United States om all your
entertainment content action star
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a real it but in in practice the
antiquated models I'll %uh of content
distribution
that we are still holding onto om in
this day in age
where no geographical boundaries and
national boundaries not
on Sat are still very much at once
entropies business models
a get you know our are not things like
but our internet esta whiten way at it
on
well I see no music industry a seamless
happen now for
ethnic I'm I would certainly from the
actors
on you in terms of keeping the the
Internet I'm freaking
and unavailable its are it's going to be
a real challenge I mean it's such a
important technology now and you have
things like a great
wall are the Great Firewall of China
Omni power
you know russia recently as a while
yesterday today
shutting down I'll using got new laws to
shut down access to
guess at I against hooting I'll
you know this getting reelected are I'm
egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot
of people on the use of social
networking
I'll juju organize an activity on
people and bring them up onto the sheets
so governments are scared this
technology
and it's important that we worked really
hard to keep it is
this reason is because they realize that
not for me chin
are you talking to mention you control
the people so I'm
I think it is a strange journey partner
people I
let's just do not want to continue to
work are very hard to you
to stop the battle Austin form below the
Legislature's
summer just another eight rats I mean
you know never ascribe to malice what
will be
ascribed to incompetence and on these
people are just incompetent not not
malicious
I'll but they are people who are
malicious as well so we have to deal
with them as well
but top it's you know it's vitally
important the yes
I nowadays not be these technologies
reset
at the core or culture and the way we
communicate on may
I me others at 10 quickly at
I think that we read in your interesting
moment where
so many basic knowledge the
importance on the internet and no
nowhere ands
be impact it's had a on every aspect of
our
culture and and because of that I think
we as the
users at the where into the internet
have
a duty to hold the government
governments around the world in
companies around the world accountable
and to you its
urge them and pressure them to protect
the openness
that lies at the core I'll this entire
name and to protect not just openness
but
also this notion 0 comments thats
I in our opinion quickly being lost
this notion that the that the internet
and that the web are
I'll are publicly on and that
it the activity that takes place on them
as activity that we
undertake net me it that is ours and
that is not baby
mean up the big companies on his
platforms
me undertake the activity so for example
google has allowed us to do a lot of
things Google
lost by a lot of information extremely
quickly
to connect to each other extremely well
he is not working at
are doing right now but Google's doing
all this and
at while mining the data to get
selling of that data that data is also
creating this historic all
record up everything then search
warrants a online which has been no
exploited by governments but also by
companies as I think it's time for us to
think about that relationship between us
and these big companies which is
becoming essential part of our
online experience and have to me the
centralized that happen we
decouple ourselves from these giant
companies and take back
or should I wear so that we are all in
this experience in a deeper way and that
it's not and experience is purely
commercial and a commercial transaction
between us and
and if a company so that that's a big
question spent eight years for travel it
right solutions but we're hoping that we
can start it our station now
well now now I'm not and now and we go
back to something that
germs set and he left a but that he met
means that you did in the
border Canadian border because the
happier
and now with a while I want to talk
about the set that up
at the end of the day yourself we've
reduced
a number of people who can actually
eat some countries and not control the
internet but you see
Eden you understand the infrastructure
and use it in a way
that the weekend increase public who and
they can
to help people in extreme situations and
10 did
it these people he said my friend but he
kept happy
battle back to lead the Internet
basically
Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian
activities
and he said i think is the food culture
and your clothes he said you know he's
not that he had not super nationalist
you keep keep he had trouble lol
extensively
here Rams over two were and he liked
that he likes to spend time
and learning how things water I'll in
separate so that you think will
the computers and he has learned it
himself healthy
up to the gold that it brings the own
goal
then he was a he knows a lot about
hardware as well and he knows and
about we coach or and and he said I'm
and when he so hey there You or was he
so all these
wonderful things happen and and said he
thought the
Britain's the create hacker space in the
baskets
I don't know how translation what's what
in the
apparently hackerspace what's a very
scary Lord forgive CBN
as is to be and you don't answer me
this:
and they saw it as a threat the people
in power grid technology acid great
who don't plan to control people paso's
here on the 15 up December
two years ago they hackerspace with
greater
all the computers where they cannot wait
all the things with this month opened
him up
and united in wanna be set up Syrian
please looking at that
reedy reader only goal well the nato the
delaney
nuclear weapons or something like that
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been
recently was that he see West the
in a very very bad reason so did
orchard treatment but then he was a
things through that book I feel
at thousands of people he was it we
passed
her back to his VM recent we each
you can imagine how even deep is the
civilian prison
how is this looks like and you he said a
the conditions get but worse
a that goes by and the Syrian government
once
out all were resources the last people
really
feed the last people they would take
care all are the prisoners
on the book that last release it has a a
health condition
he's all relief that but
me yeah what we me happy intrepid
building at least it two years
is the keeping baseball and didn't keep
reminding him that we haven't forgotten
and to keep reminded you that we yeah
in braided values that he embraces the
that support the cause is that he
seen supports school a been up to
think you know the you know just been
saddened but nothing
we have been deeply baffled they the 15
of March
what some things are already starting
today and what we want is that joint
action
a Bleezy mean and
you can be it do remember bottle and not
only battle
but remember Syria because it seems that
because if the new laws media's
it we don't we don't be a hear about
Syria and more
I mean it's is like good in December
been on the popular
and we we will if we got some timely
were OK and something is good but
neither the symbol
have well but then a vote no on the
suffering and together we to
wood bats and I'm not sober system
administrators
computer experts and had a fierce
what I recent so that we only care about
journalists in others lots of people
that somebody will people
for the future Syria and who would
increase in our
what the we need our solidarity
I mean let's elect to even you're
leaving a gun T
air which has received a Syrian refugees
you show your solidarity I know that
share on your computer
mind some appealing but maybe go won the
nineteen a computer
with internet access this refugee camp
so they can
stay in touch with their reluctance that
growth may be
do enough to shark tall coach ashore
gathering
your day I think that that there was no
with ways who
help battle because that's what what but
it probably will be between if you must
be
so my feeling is that not forget Syria
not forget that so that free internet if
the
up the internet with the bath and this
year and that's
we might want action what is the web she
wants
where many about on so there is a lot of
work to do
I'm and there are lots of ways to get
involved
Street right about I think you everybody
so much
for coming on today and um
we hope to see you everybody here and
out there next week on GB face thanks so
much