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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.44,0:00:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ROBERT RYMAN:\NThe real purpose of painting is…
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.36,0:00:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to give pleasure.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.12,0:00:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean that’s really uh the…
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.84,0:00:17.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the main thing that it’s about.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.08,0:00:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean there can be the story,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.76,0:00:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know there can be a lot of history behind it,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.48,0:00:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there can be…
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.60,0:00:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when it, you know when it…
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.44,0:00:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don’t have to know all of those things uh to…
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.96,0:00:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to receive the pleasure from a painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.88,0:00:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, it’s like listening to some music.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.72,0:00:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don’t have to know the score of a \Nsymphony in order to appreciate the symphony.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.22,0:00:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can just listen to the sounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.40,0:00:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Nashville when I was growing up,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.04,0:00:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you didn’t hear anything but \Ncountry music on the radio
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.80,0:01:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and juke boxes at that time and I \Nwas never really interested in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.44,0:01:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was more interested in uh jazz.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.36,0:01:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would hunt around late at \Nnight on the radio trying to find
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.16,0:01:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a New York station or something \Nwhere I could hear something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.32,0:01:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the music really that was \Nmore interesting for me than…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.76,0:01:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than painting which I’d never seen.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.48,0:01:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I came to New York,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.04,0:01:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the music that was \Nthe most important thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.56,0:01:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was playing bop...bebop. (LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.37,0:01:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I was...Charlie Parker and Zoot Sims,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.56,0:01:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.50,0:01:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that had an influence on
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.76,0:01:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my approach to painting because
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.08,0:01:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you played on a structure and \Nyou learned your instrument
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.12,0:01:52.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you played within the structure.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.68,0:01:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it seemed like a logical \Nthing to begin painting that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.08,0:02:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I would learn about paint and then
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.28,0:02:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would learn about what \Nyou could do with the paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.68,0:02:12.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In painting, something has to look \Neasy even though it might not be easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.24,0:02:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s an important part of painting,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.84,0:02:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it has to have that feeling of…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.80,0:02:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it just happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.28,0:02:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It used to be when I was playing,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.12,0:02:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would say tunes, no one \Nuses the term tunes anymore,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.64,0:02:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it’s songs.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.45,0:02:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If someone is singing \Nsomething and telling a story
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.96,0:02:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it’s very similar to \Nrepresentational painting where,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.28,0:02:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, you tell a story with \Nthe paint and with symbols.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.80,0:02:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn’t interested in painting a narrative,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.88,0:02:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling a story with a painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.72,0:03:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought the painting should just be \Nabout what it’s about and not (LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.56,0:03:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not about other things.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.34,0:03:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing that I learned from music \Nthat I’ve carried over to painting was
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.20,0:03:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are an entertainer, you have to entertain.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.04,0:03:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t want to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.05,0:03:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other way was to just \Nto do whatever you wanted
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.60,0:03:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the audience had to come to you or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.36,0:03:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And uh that’s...that was my \Napproach right from the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.60,0:03:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh I wasn’t going to be an entertainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.28,0:03:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In all of my paintings, I discover things.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.56,0:03:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I’m surprised at the \Nresult, but I know what I’m doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.84,0:03:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(LAUGHS) Even though I let...even \Nthough I don’t know what I’m doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.91,0:03:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.56,0:04:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Always...my approach uh tends \Nto be uh from experiments.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.56,0:04:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I generally do a lot of \Ntests before I do paintings.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.72,0:04:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tests on paints to see which is the \Nbest thing to use on a certain material,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.44,0:04:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how fastening is going to work, how the \Nlight is going to work, things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.20,0:04:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m not involved with any kind of art movement or…
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.92,0:04:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I’m not a scholar and I’m not a historian.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.40,0:05:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just look at it as solving problems
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.80,0:05:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and working on the painting \Nand a visual experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.68,0:05:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t have any assistants.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.52,0:05:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to do it all myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.52,0:05:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to know what’s going on all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.00,0:05:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s coming along. (LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.44,0:05:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was just beginning to paint, I…
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.72,0:05:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought I have to become \Nnot afraid of the paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.60,0:05:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not afraid of the cost of the paint, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.04,0:05:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not afraid of wasting it and I would…
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.28,0:06:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I smeared some on my hand and just put it down on…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.32,0:06:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.08,0:06:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wasted some paint so to speak, so \Nthat I would not be afraid of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.28,0:06:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to do something that I \Ndon’t know exactly how to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.24,0:06:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I finish the problem, I \Ndon’t have to go on with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.80,0:06:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m more interested in finding \Nwhat else I can do that…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.32,0:06:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s more of a challenge for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.92,0:06:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would never show a painting \Nthat I didn’t feel right about.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.56,0:06:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would never let it out.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.64,0:06:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There might have been a few paintings that \NI’ve destroyed through the years that…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.22,0:06:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some I’ve wish I hadn’t but it wasn’t \Nthat the paintings maybe were not good,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.20,0:06:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they weren’t what I \Nwanted at the moment and so I…
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.72,0:06:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know I rejected them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.82,0:07:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But usually I work them \Nthrough so that they are okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.90,0:07:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RYMAN: Could you get the hot spots, kind of move…
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.16,0:07:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,move the hot spots down so the wall is \Nmore even and not so hot at the top?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.00,0:07:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SPEAKER: That’s easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.49,0:07:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RYMAN: I work with real light.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.52,0:07:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean the light is not really painted \Ninto the painting in an illusionistic way,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.76,0:07:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you would paint a landscape or something,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.24,0:07:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but my paintings work with real light.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.24,0:07:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not just a matter of \Ndaylight or incandescent light,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.00,0:07:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s also the quality of the light.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.92,0:07:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But sometimes, you want a \Nsofter light to bring it alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.84,0:07:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think of my painting as not really as abstract,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.04,0:07:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don’t abstract from anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.52,0:08:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s involved with real visual aspects \Nof what you really are looking at,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.80,0:08:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it’s wood or...or you \Nsee the paint and the metal
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.68,0:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how it’s put together and \Nhow it works with the wall
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:08:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how it works with the light.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.48,0:08:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use real light and I use real surface.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.92,0:08:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t use any illusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.20,0:08:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s the real thing that you see.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.32,0:08:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a real experience. (LAUGHS)
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.16,0:08:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The paintings move outward \Nin a sense, aesthetically.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.44,0:08:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They...they go out into the space of the room
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.00,0:08:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they certainly involve \Nthe wall itself that it’s on.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.20,0:08:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you’re seeing is really what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.48,0:08:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else will dilute \Nit or you know disturb it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.28,0:09:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never thought of white as being a color.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.60,0:09:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White could do things that \Nother colors could not do.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.96,0:09:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White has a tendency to make things visible.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.08,0:09:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see more of the nuance.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.08,0:09:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s been only recently where I \Nactually did some white paintings and…
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.52,0:09:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I call white.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.10,0:09:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I began with that square \Nin the ‘50s actually and I…
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.88,0:09:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow it’s become so natural to me that \NI just don’t think of it any other way.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.92,0:09:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A square has always been, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.68,0:09:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just an equal sided space that you could work with
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.44,0:10:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it didn’t have the feeling of a landscape or,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.64,0:10:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, some kind of a window or a doorway \Nthat we usually associate with rectangles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.72,0:10:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s just a very neutral kind of a space.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.36,0:10:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes after I finish a group of paintings,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.72,0:10:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m not sure what to do next.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.80,0:10:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it may be I have to wait a while, \Nyou know maybe a month or...or so.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.40,0:10:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two months.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.16,0:10:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I don’t worry about it…
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.96,0:10:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then slowly things fall into \Nplace and I try a few things and…
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.60,0:10:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I realize that what else could be done
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.48,0:10:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what interests me at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.80,0:11:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s...it’s called PHILADELPHIA PROTO…
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.44,0:11:10.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, actually it’s called \NTHIRD PHILADELPHIA PROTOTYPE.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.96,0:11:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The panels are not really the painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.28,0:11:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The painting consists of the two walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.44,0:11:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The original surface of the panels are the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.08,0:11:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even from the first showing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.60,0:11:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing that changes is the…
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.24,0:11:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the edge which goes onto the wall itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.32,0:11:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of the tape is going off \Nof the panel onto the wall,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.28,0:11:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and others seem to just appear on the wall.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.52,0:11:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which tells you that it’s…
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.82,0:11:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was not really the first time it was done.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.04,0:12:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s done on purpose because I don’t \Nwant it to be the exact same each time.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.24,0:12:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The light is extremely important \Nin the way it affects the panels.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.40,0:12:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the afternoon, later when the \Nsun moves around to this side the…
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.64,0:12:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the panels will look very different.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.72,0:12:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The softer light brings out the \Nnuances and you can see the…
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.40,0:12:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the panels have a glow which would be \Nwiped out in a strong straight on light.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.36,0:12:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yesterday was the first time \NI actually saw the space.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.50,0:12:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should be a soft, quiet experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.16,0:12:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s nice to look at.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.88,0:12:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like this.