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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.22,0:00:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ atmospheric electronic music ]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.92,0:00:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ EL ANATSUI ]\NThis is a group photograph.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.76,0:00:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in a group photograph,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.48,0:00:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are thinking about kinship,\Nyou know.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.96,0:00:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kinship,\Nit's a particular group.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.16,0:00:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they happen to be\Nclose together.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.92,0:00:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Originally,\Nthey were spread wide apart.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.48,0:00:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nso what I've tried to do is,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.56,0:00:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to bring them together\Nso that they are a group.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.16,0:00:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I come from a family\Nof very many people,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.92,0:00:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 32 siblings,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.04,0:00:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and– and probably\Nthis is a reflection of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.88,0:01:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was born in Ghana.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.44,0:01:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mom died\Nwhen I was toddler,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.64,0:01:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty young,\Nabout two or three.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.04,0:01:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I had to live\Nwith my maternal uncle,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.96,0:01:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, a reverend.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.32,0:01:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we lived in a mission house\Noff the presbyterian school.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.12,0:01:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My life revolved\Nonly around a mission house
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.00,0:01:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.00,0:01:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,school, church, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.12,0:01:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember that as a kid,\Npre-kindergarten,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.96,0:01:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was intrigued by writings\Non the doors of offices,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.08,0:01:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, or even classrooms,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.08,0:01:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, that I saw around me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.68,0:01:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I used to sit down\Nand try to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.56,0:01:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emulate, you know,\Nthose writings.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.56,0:01:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know what they meant,\Nbut, uh–
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.64,0:02:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I remember\Nthat the letter "G"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.24,0:02:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was more intriguing to me\Nthan all others– all of–
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.52,0:02:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I don't know why.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.84,0:02:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe because it has\Nso many appendages or–
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.16,0:02:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not like "C" or the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.64,0:02:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a "C"\Nwith something else on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.20,0:02:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nit was intriguing to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.80,0:02:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to art school in Ghana,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.92,0:02:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was an offshoot
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.08,0:02:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Goldsmiths art school\Nin London.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.64,0:02:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time I went\Nto university,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.72,0:02:47.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know about anybody\Nwho was living as an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.88,0:02:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nyou knew about art teachers.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.88,0:02:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met art teachers\Nin the secondary school.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.28,0:02:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there were more teachers\Nthan artists, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.60,0:03:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I was wondering\Nhow one was going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.80,0:03:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an artist\Nliving purely on art.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.06,0:03:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We knew about doctors.\NWe knew about lawyers.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.40,0:03:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I constantly kept thinking,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.00,0:03:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What precisely do you do\Nas an artist?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.08,0:03:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that has helped\Nfocus me a lot, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.70,0:03:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least to concentrate\Non the practice of art
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.96,0:03:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see what I can\Nget out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.80,0:03:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a matter of principle,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.32,0:03:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not provide\Ninstallation instructions
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.04,0:03:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for my works.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.44,0:03:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no one particular way
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.40,0:03:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these are\Nsupposed to be installed.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.00,0:04:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So to the left\Na little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.08,0:04:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.82,0:04:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, spear away.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.39,0:04:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ EL ANATSUI ] Since they are so free\Nand so loose and so flexible,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.92,0:04:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be difficult\Nto have a specific format
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.96,0:04:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for any one of them at anytime.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.70,0:04:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I don't have any other space\Nthat I can hit.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.96,0:04:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Amanda?\N- Yeah?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.96,0:04:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay if we start\Nsnipping the ties off?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.36,0:04:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think it is, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.56,0:04:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. Yeah.\NStart snipping those ties.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.80,0:04:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they lift that bar out,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.84,0:04:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're gonna need to lift up\Nthe work, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.24,0:04:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We're good.\NLift up the bar.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.34,0:04:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[tool whirring]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.77,0:04:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ EL ANATSUI ] "Stressed World" is the title\Nthat I give my current work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.32,0:04:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, I want to create some...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.20,0:05:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some crazy here.\N- Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.72,0:05:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.68,0:05:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ EL ANATSUI ] There are so many conflicts\Ngoing on in the world right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.68,0:05:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man-made conflicts,\Nnatural conflicts:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.00,0:05:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earthquakes, tsunamis, wars.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.93,0:05:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure about all these–
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.08,0:05:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leave you in a state of\Nkind of siege.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.92,0:05:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, your mind\Nis in a state of siege.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.68,0:05:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think it's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.03,0:05:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's nice.\N[metal clinking]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.63,0:05:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Be careful of your wrists, man.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.94,0:05:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The media I've worked with\Nso far have been
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.68,0:05:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,metal, ceramic,\Nand wood in different forms.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.00,0:06:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working with strips of wood,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.52,0:06:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I changed my approach\Na little bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.92,0:06:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, by working not with\Nstrips of wood that's processed,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.24,0:06:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then wood\Nwhich has been used by humans...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.80,0:06:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then transform\Nit into something
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.12,0:06:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you contemplate,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.64,0:06:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not something you use.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.28,0:06:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the drape of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.70,0:06:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, Sally, I want some\Nrelaxation in some places,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.76,0:07:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.76,0:07:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's different every time.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.96,0:07:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, every time\Nit's different.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.16,0:07:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the whole idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.73,0:07:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Supposed to change\Nwith every venue
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.48,0:07:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and every space.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.38,0:07:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ EL ANATSUI ] The ceramic pieces belong\Nto a series that I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.66,0:07:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was called broken pots.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.16,0:07:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In most parts of Africa,\Nwhen a pot is broken,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.16,0:07:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not the end of its life.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.20,0:07:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea of regeneration,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.44,0:07:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,\Ngiving form to new life,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.02,0:07:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bringing about new hope,\Nyou know.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.08,0:07:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did these pieces\Nat the time that also–
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.96,0:07:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already in Nigeria.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.60,0:08:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the economy of Ghana\Nwas really at its lowest point.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.47,0:08:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, and I thought that\Nthat was my own way
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.36,0:08:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of affirming something positive,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.44,0:08:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destruction as a prerequisite\Nfor new ideas or for new growth.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.68,0:08:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I started working\Nwith the bottle caps,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.80,0:08:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was purely doing sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.88,0:08:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and somehow, inadvertently,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.08,0:08:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the color scheme\Nof the bottle caps
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.08,0:08:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened to replicate that of\Na very popular fabric in Ghana,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.88,0:08:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kente cloth.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.64,0:08:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colors of kente cloth\Nare traditionally
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.52,0:08:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reds, the blacks,\Nthe yellows.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.08,0:08:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That created problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.44,0:08:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because when people start\Nlooking at it as textiles,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.04,0:08:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the tendency is for them to stop
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.48,0:08:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking for any meaning\Nbeyond that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.84,0:09:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are bottle caps?\NLiquor.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.00,0:09:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did liquor\Ncome into my culture?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.40,0:09:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what does it mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.60,0:09:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three continents\Nhas something to do with
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.20,0:09:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the initial ideas that I had\Nabout bottle caps.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.20,0:09:21.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the European traders came\Nto Africa for the first time,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.64,0:09:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they brought items\Nto trade with,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.68,0:09:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like drink,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.02,0:09:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, eventually,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.16,0:09:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drinks were exchanged for slaves\Nwho were brought to America
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.60,0:09:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to grow more cotton\Nand sugarcane
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.08,0:09:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make more drink\Nand then ship to Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.92,0:09:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the idea of three continents,\Nyou know,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.12,0:09:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how drink was a link factor\Nbetween the three.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.04,0:10:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I started working\Nwith these bottle caps,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.60,0:10:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was gonna be\Na very short run.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.12,0:10:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then as time went on,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.92,0:10:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw that the possibilities\Nare just endless.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.36,0:10:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Initially, I wasn't\Nconcerned with color.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.88,0:10:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I'm concerned with color\Nlike a painter.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.80,0:10:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the modes of display,\Nthey are beginning to expand.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.36,0:10:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They happen to be displayed\Npredominantly on the wall.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.12,0:10:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.68,0:10:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it could be on anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.84,0:10:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be on the floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.53,0:10:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've showed a couple of them\Non hedges, you know, on plants.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.20,0:10:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nthe concerns of a sculptor
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.00,0:10:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the concerns of a painter
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.20,0:10:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are inherent\Nin each of the works that I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.88,0:11:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to Nigeria\Nbecause I had an appointment
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.64,0:11:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to teach in the university.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.84,0:11:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've lived in Nigeria\Nabout 36 years now.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.96,0:11:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My assistants are young men
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.00,0:11:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from around the vicinity\Nof the studio.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.20,0:11:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, these are people\Nwho just finished high school
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.76,0:11:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and awaiting\Nentry into university.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.76,0:11:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes quite some time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.84,0:11:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people to pass\Nthe university entrance exam.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.76,0:11:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so while they are waiting\Nand preparing for that day,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.44,0:11:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find time to help me\Nin the studio
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.44,0:11:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and earn some– a living.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.84,0:11:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably because I pay so well
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.44,0:11:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a lot of them do come\Nto ask whether they could help.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.00,0:11:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody I bring in has to\Nundergo some basic training
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.44,0:11:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how to stitch\Nthe pieces together,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.04,0:11:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some basic skills.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.44,0:12:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole process\Nand end product
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.64,0:12:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all have to do with freedom,\Nflexibility, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.04,0:12:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so right from the instructions\Nthey, you know–
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.60,0:12:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you leave a lot of room\Nfor people to play around.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.44,0:12:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the resulting work tends\Nto have that flexibility in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.34,0:12:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, I work in this way\Nthat–
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.46,0:12:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I pick a medium\Nor a process,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.48,0:12:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I work with it\Nfor a long period, years.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.16,0:12:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has to take something\Nmore powerful or more demanding
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.36,0:12:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to really take me away from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.72,0:12:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the back of my mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.04,0:12:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm seriously looking out\Nfor anything
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.64,0:12:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can come and displace this.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.92,0:12:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.52,0:12:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it would take something\Nreally strong to do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.00,0:12:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I find that each day
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.24,0:12:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go into handle\Nthese bottle caps,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.20,0:12:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they keep generating\Nfresh ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.36,0:13:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived with my maternal uncle\Nin a different town
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.28,0:13:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from where my father
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.08,0:13:13.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the rest of my brothers\Nand sisters lived.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.64,0:13:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I had\Nvery little exposure
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.40,0:13:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the textiles tradition\Nthat was very strong with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.76,0:13:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in art school,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.08,0:13:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were introduced\Nto all the areas of art.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.12,0:13:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the one that least\Nattracted me was textiles.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.76,0:13:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know?\N[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.44,0:13:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then– I find it intriguing\Nthat what I do now is very much
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.48,0:13:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aligned to– like me trying\Nto get away from textiles,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.48,0:13:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but textiles is following--\N[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.36,0:13:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following me.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.84,0:13:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.36,0:13:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the idea of recycle,\Nyou know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.72,0:13:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've always kicked against it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.52,0:14:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recycling has to do\Nwith the industrial process,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.92,0:14:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not what I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.40,0:14:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't, for instance,\Nretain the bottle caps
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.44,0:14:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back as bottle caps.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.48,0:14:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, you know, a new life.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.88,0:14:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And make them not objects\Nthat do something utilitarian,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.32,0:14:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but objects of contemplation.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.68,0:14:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[metal clinking]
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.96,0:15:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Here we go.\NCome around here like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.04,0:15:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.28,0:15:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, it's a very long–\N[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.16,0:15:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very long route.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.27,0:15:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so let's start from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.76,0:15:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, the river\Nshould be emptying out.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.92,0:15:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the source should be–\N- Coming out--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.84,0:15:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- In the middle of, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.33,0:15:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this one's come.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.20,0:15:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is called Digital River.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.96,0:15:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's composed of digits,\Nyou know.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.16,0:15:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it compels one to always\Ntry to play around with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.48,0:15:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This way.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.04,0:15:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should begin to swing back...\NYeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.88,0:16:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that it would end\Nmaybe somewhere here.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.80,0:16:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rivers flow.\NThey do change their course.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.48,0:16:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know,\Nthey cut out oxbow lakes.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.24,0:16:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all kinds of things and–
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.71,0:16:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I think my work has\Nprincipally been about change,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.48,0:16:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nand nonfixity of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.92,0:16:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,\Nthe fact that things are there,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.60,0:16:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have to grow old\Nand change
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.32,0:16:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do all kinds of things,\Nyou know.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.60,0:16:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not because I'm old now.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.71,0:16:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]