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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.63,0:00:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good morning. We officially start the press conference \Nof DiEM Democracy in Europe Movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.71,0:00:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Yanis Varoufakis as you probably \Nknow. My name is Srecko Horvat.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.74,0:00:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are only one of the representatives of many \Npeople, who already joined the movement \Nand today during the day you will see what it is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.92,0:00:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have half an hour for the press conference \Nand later we must continue with our strategical meetings.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.91,0:01:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, just a short introduction: In 1969 Theodor Adorno gave an interview \Nfor Der Spiegel. And the journalist asked the question \N"Herr Professor, two months ago world still seemed in order."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.76,0:01:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, what Adorno answered?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.24,0:01:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Not to me!"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.08,0:01:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's the same: Maybe to some people the \NEuropean Union seems to be fine. But for us, and \Nespecially from Yanis' experience
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.02,0:01:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the Greek finance minister, it didn't seem 'in Ordnung zu sein.'
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.42,0:01:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last year the German society for language announced \Nthat the three most popular words of the last year were \Non the first place Refugees, on the second place je suis Charlie and on the third place "Grexit."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.76,0:01:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the tenth place it was "Wir können es \Nschaffen" I think which is Merkel's quote \Nregarding the refugee crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.76,0:01:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we want to do is actually to put "Wir \Nkönnen es schaffen" on the first place.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.29,0:02:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is the reason why we are founding \Ntogether with other comrades from all around Europe the Democracy in Europe Movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.99,0:02:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I will give you the word now and then \Nwe answer questions. I think it's better for \Nthe press conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.08,0:02:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, let me welcome you to this press conference. \NThank you so much for coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.74,0:02:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a great honour, a privilege, to be in \Nthe heart of Europe, in Berlin.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.86,0:02:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've chosen Berlin, precisely because \Nnothing can change in the progressive \Ndirection without
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.12,0:02:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the full participation of Germany in \Nour European endeavors.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.29,0:02:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately it is the conviction of some of \Nus, those of us, who are putting DiEM together,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.79,0:02:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the European Union is disintegrating \Nand it is doing so quite fast!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.74,0:02:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether you're talking about the Euro-crisis,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.93,0:02:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the failure, the spectacular failure of \Nthe European Union, both as a Union and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.94,0:03:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also as it's constituent members to \Ndealing with the refugee crisis
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.18,0:03:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a sensible, rational, humanist way
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.02,0:03:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a possible exception of Angela \NMerkel, who's been very good at this.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.31,0:03:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The phenomenon of the \Nre-nationalization of ambition
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.63,0:03:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The nationalization of hope
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.01,0:03:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact, that we now have European gouvernments
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.00,0:03:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adopting fully the "Not in my backyard"-mentality
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.54,0:03:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether this is about debt , about refugees
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.59,0:03:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Schengen, about geopolitics, \Nabout our attitude to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.53,0:03:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Middle East, to Lybia,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.46,0:03:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You only have to put together the words "European"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.34,0:03:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"foreign" and "policy" to end up with a joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.29,0:03:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or the worse: "European," "Migration" and "policy"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.55,0:03:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to end up, with a joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.30,0:03:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is Europe disintegrating?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.74,0:04:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wrong in the thought of it, is that we have allowed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.67,0:04:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last decade - two decades - possibly three
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.99,0:04:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decades, a process of de-politicizing decision-making
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.35,0:04:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the heart of Europe, in our core-European institutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.21,0:04:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you de-politicize a political decision process
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.95,0:04:19.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you end up with very bad politics and sub-stand-up
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.67,0:04:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic politics. And now we have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.42,0:04:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- this is at least our estimation - a vicious cycle.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.27,0:04:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bad policy leads to bad economic outcomes like
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.69,0:04:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negative interest rates, facing pension funds in Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.13,0:04:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or deflation in Spain. These bad economic outcomes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.67,0:04:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give the bureaucratic-technocratic decision making process
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.15,0:04:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more of an incentive, to turn to further degrees of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.10,0:04:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarianism. The extra-degrees of authoritarianism
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.100,0:04:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lead to more entrenchment in the bad policy framework.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.79,0:04:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which leads to further bad outcomes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.98,0:05:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are in a kind of early 1930's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.79,0:05:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,framework of disintegration.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.35,0:05:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The art to this mix, an extraordinary shock like the refugees
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.79,0:05:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you end up with a situation we're facing in Europe today
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.18,0:05:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we ask ourselves a very simple question:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.100,0:05:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If our analysis is right, if the European Union is disintegrating
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.13,0:05:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of its terrible gouvernance and architecture
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.62,0:05:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the solution?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.27,0:05:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we know what is not the solution:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.74,0:05:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The solution is not to return to the nation-state.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.25,0:05:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The solution is not to build walls, again.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.27,0:05:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The solution is not "Fortress Germany," "Fortress France"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.66,0:05:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Fortress Greece" Fortress, fortresses everywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.14,0:05:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those walls simply reflect our security-love failures.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.21,0:05:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not the solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.20,0:05:51.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is also not the solution - ostrich-like - to burry
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.52,0:05:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heads in the sand to pretend that we are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.83,0:05:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the right path and we only need to tweak our
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.68,0:05:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policies a little bit. So, if these are not the solutions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.62,0:05:59.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are the solutions?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.13,0:06:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, our answer to this poignant question is a search
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.12,0:06:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for democratizing the European Union institutions
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.66,0:06:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to achieve two things: Firstly to recalibrate
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.18,0:06:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,existing institutions and policies. In order to stabilize
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.36,0:06:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the five crisis that are disintegrating Europe: Debt, banking,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.15,0:06:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,low investment everywhere, including in Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.04,0:06:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rising poverty, which fuels misanthropy and other nationalism
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.16,0:06:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and migration.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.22,0:06:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to do this, in a way
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.12,0:06:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that re-legitimizes political power
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.85,0:06:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and re-politicizes politics in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.15,0:06:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can this happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.69,0:06:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The old-fashioned system
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.100,0:06:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of creating a political party
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.03,0:06:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of a nation-state,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.24,0:06:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making promises that you cannot fulfill
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.95,0:06:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you are in power
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.98,0:06:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you ever gain gouvernment
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.55,0:06:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That system is finished.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.65,0:07:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have watched mighty finance ministers including
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.65,0:07:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this country's
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.18,0:07:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being reduced to a state of helplessness
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.62,0:07:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of European Union Council
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.60,0:07:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of the EURO-group
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.85,0:07:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if we are right,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.77,0:07:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that another political party
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.87,0:07:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another organization in the context of the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.73,0:07:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nation-states is the wrong way to go,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.49,0:07:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the only alternative?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.80,0:07:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only alternative is to try
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.45,0:07:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something you've never tried before.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.50,0:07:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A political movement
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.02,0:07:27.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that starts everywhere in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.62,0:07:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at once, cross-border
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.13,0:07:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,independently of prior political party-affiliations
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.17,0:07:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has one simple objective:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.98,0:07:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To get Europeans around a metaphorical table
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.06,0:07:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital table; in forms like this one
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.86,0:07:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tonight. To discuss as Europeans
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.22,0:07:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their common problems
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.48,0:07:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we want are common solutions
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.12,0:07:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these common problems to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.28,0:07:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The hope is that, if the consensus emerges
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.37,0:07:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our consensus will find ways of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.92,0:07:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expressing itself on the level of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.61,0:07:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the municipality, of the origin, of the state,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.81,0:08:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the European Union,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.68,0:08:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are very much looking forward
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.50,0:08:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to answering your many and
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.74,0:08:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pressing questions!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.21,0:08:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let's start with a question here.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.14,0:08:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: "President Erdogan of Turkey has today
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.03,0:08:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it seems threatened Europe saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.10,0:08:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if Turkey doesn't receive financing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.06,0:08:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he will send masses of refugees
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.41,0:08:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards the EU.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.69,0:08:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do these type of threats challenge
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.14,0:08:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the aims that you're putting forward?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.62,0:08:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: These threats, the clear and present
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.31,0:08:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dangers that we're facing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.56,0:08:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enhance the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.46,0:08:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is about time, that we decided to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.91,0:08:47.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,treat the problem as a common one.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.47,0:08:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not as a Greek problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.37,0:08:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not as a problem to be sorted out by
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.41,0:08:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turning Greece or Italy or Sicily
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.67,0:08:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a concentration camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.96,0:09:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as the common problem of a large
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.08,0:09:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union, a powerful Union, a rich Union
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.60,0:09:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has failed spectacularly over the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.70,0:09:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last weeks, last months, and years
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.35,0:09:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deal with common problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.24,0:09:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systemic problems - systematically.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.04,0:09:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the whole raison d'etre of what
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.77,0:09:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're doing is to be able to look Mister
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.15,0:09:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adorno in the eye, as Europeans
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.54,0:09:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a coherent policy
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.37,0:09:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is consistent also with coherent
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.67,0:09:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policies in the realm of solidarity
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.78,0:09:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.77,0:09:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Economic stabilization
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.81,0:09:38.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an end to the race to the bottom
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.26,0:09:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is forcing Europe into the bossom
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.34,0:09:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of disintegration.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.24,0:09:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: It does not help if you are playing
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.60,0:09:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brinkmanship with these types of states
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.88,0:09:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does it, when you're trying to deal as
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.23,0:09:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Europe, but your partners outside
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.93,0:09:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Europe are willing to hold this gun
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.87,0:09:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to your head.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.56,0:09:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: Well, unity's strength!
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.59,0:10:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a gun is being held to our head,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.13,0:10:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the last thing we need is a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.17,0:10:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Berlin turn against Athens
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.88,0:10:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Athens turns against Paris
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.81,0:10:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paris turns against Bratislava..
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.43,0:10:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next question, please
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.71,0:10:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The man behind, here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.73,0:10:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: You said you wanted to start a movement
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.37,0:10:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all European countries at once
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.04,0:10:21.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What makes you believe that you can
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.98,0:10:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,achieve, what all social movements,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.27,0:10:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protest movements or ATTAC for example
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.73,0:10:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has not achieved so far
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.39,0:10:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have bitterly failed?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.30,0:10:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: Absolutely nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.25,0:10:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's the only way I can wake up in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.44,0:10:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the morning and be energized
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.24,0:10:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that, what I think, is right.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.45,0:10:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, Harald: 2015 was a pivotal year.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.46,0:10:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a year, when we failed
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.82,0:10:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Europe - quite substantially to deal
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.78,0:10:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an economic policy, which condemned
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.60,0:11:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,large parts of the periphery to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.94,0:11:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,permanent depression.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.70,0:11:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Permanent depression!
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.67,0:11:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While at the very same time condemning
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.35,0:11:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surplus economies, core-economies like
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.60,0:11:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany, like Netherlands, and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.77,0:11:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a slow burning deflationary process
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.72,0:11:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is undermining confidence in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.20,0:11:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the core-countries regarding the capacity
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.45,0:11:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the European Union and gouvernments
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.78,0:11:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Berlin, in The Netherlands, and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.72,0:11:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deal with the situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.26,0:11:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the very first time - just let me
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.74,0:11:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say one thing - for the very first time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.97,0:11:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a possibility of a coalition
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.41,0:11:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of democrats.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.46,0:11:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether they are liberal democrats,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.45,0:11:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social democrats, radical democrats,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.92,0:11:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,green democrats.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.08,0:11:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2015 has pointed out to many people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.65,0:11:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that our system of gouvernance in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.22,0:11:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not consistent
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.73,0:11:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with shared prosperity.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.87,0:11:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, maybe what we are doing is going
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.20,0:12:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to allow this coalition to come into
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.71,0:12:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being. Something that previous movements
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.49,0:12:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have not succeeded in doing. Remember
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.46,0:12:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that defenders of capitalism, of free
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.85,0:12:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market, propose, put forward a view
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.53,0:12:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the reason that capitalism is dynamic, is because
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.27,0:12:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a trial and error-process
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.44,0:12:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the market determines out of many
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.70,0:12:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,failures what the success-score is.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.98,0:12:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, maybe we need to try out many different
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.60,0:12:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movements in order to come to the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.81,0:12:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one, that allows Europe to integrate
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.19,0:12:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as opposed to disintegrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.86,0:12:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe this movement will also be
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.69,0:12:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,failure as you say, but we have to keep
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.57,0:12:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying until the evolutionary process
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.59,0:12:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the historical process in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.28,0:12:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is put into the direction, onto the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.48,0:12:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pathway towards integration
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.96,0:12:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in a mode, that arrests the current
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.06,0:12:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deconstruction.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.55,0:12:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK - we take one more question from
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.63,0:13:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right. And the we turn to the left.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.24,0:13:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I want to ask you about media-
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.34,0:13:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminology and Orwellianism
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.88,0:13:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Corporate media here in Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.24,0:13:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the US uses terms like
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.80,0:13:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structural adjustments,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.63,0:13:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,labour market flexibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.49,0:13:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue packages,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.81,0:13:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if the whole nation was rescued,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.01,0:13:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Savings program, Noam Chomsky says
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.26,0:13:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liberal market flexibility is another
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.18,0:13:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,term for a person not knowing if
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.24,0:13:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he wakes up tomorrow with a job.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.14,0:13:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I want to ask you if your movement
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.34,0:13:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will take these terminologies and change
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.75,0:13:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them around to provide a more accurate picture
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.28,0:13:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what's happening on ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.14,0:13:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: Well, we should all, every single one of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.82,0:13:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us, beware Orwellian Doublespeak.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.77,0:13:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the way which language is twisted
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.88,0:13:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to hide what's underlaying
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.36,0:13:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particular sentences and policies.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.64,0:13:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And effectively to throw rays of light
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.16,0:13:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and transparency and what people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.60,0:14:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually mean. Would it not be good,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.99,0:14:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if our language was useful in the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.10,0:14:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content of a dialog, so what we meant
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.86,0:14:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was conveyed to our interlocutors.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.76,0:14:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My favourite one is an example of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.96,0:14:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such Doublespeak. During our
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.16,0:14:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negotiations with The Troika,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.17,0:14:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the term they used for reducing pensions
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.12,0:14:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Intergenerational restoration of justice"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.77,0:14:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.13,0:14:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: ..."Radical Lefts?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.46,0:14:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: If you read our manifesto - hm -
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.74,0:14:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is quite clear, that it's a manifesto
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.87,0:14:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the democratization of Europe and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.20,0:14:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is an open call to all democrats
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.04,0:14:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,independently of ideologies,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.29,0:14:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceptions of the good society
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.47,0:14:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political party-affiliation. Now, I
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.52,0:14:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, like you, like all of us
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.64,0:15:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have our particular prejudices
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.28,0:15:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our particular ideological take.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.32,0:15:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But DiEM is not me, not Srecko,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.29,0:15:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not any of the people who will be
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.08,0:15:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Volksbühne tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.42,0:15:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all of us together and it is
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.46,0:15:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's manifest.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.66,0:15:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's as good as the word of the manifesto
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.10,0:15:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it seeks to embrace every one
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.92,0:15:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who cares about re-democratizing
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.64,0:15:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting the demos back into democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.74,0:15:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.78,0:15:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Do you really think that Center-left / center-right can be with?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.60,0:15:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: This is, what we want. You see,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.97,0:15:42.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of my greatest political friends
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.10,0:15:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,associates, if you want "collaborators"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.72,0:15:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are people who'd be described in Britain
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.75,0:15:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Thatcher-Rights, as new-liberals.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.44,0:15:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People, who are incensed by the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.77,0:15:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vacuum of democracy, the lack of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.65,0:16:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democracy in Brussels, in Frankfurt
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.63,0:16:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the institutions of Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.94,0:16:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are doing such a bad job at managing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.83,0:16:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe. If I can be friends with these
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.86,0:16:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, I think it is perfectly possible
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.34,0:16:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for DiEM to embrace every one
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.58,0:16:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who simply agrees on the necessity
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.98,0:16:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of re-politicizing politics in order
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.97,0:16:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to arrest the economic crisis
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.38,0:16:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the crisis of excessive authoritarianism
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.25,0:16:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this democracy-free zone, which is
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.30,0:16:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brussels and Frankfurt.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.19,0:16:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Re-democratization also means to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.69,0:16:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,defend the constitutions of the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.73,0:16:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,member-states?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.21,0:16:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: The problem with... Of course!
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.32,0:16:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are constitutionalist-democrats.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.52,0:16:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let me say this to you Sir:
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.71,0:17:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The moment, we created a common currency,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.49,0:17:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we transferred sovereignty
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.56,0:17:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from our nation-states into a black hole.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.01,0:17:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't create a federation,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.73,0:17:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we had created a federal gouvernment
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.94,0:17:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had transferred our sovereignty
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.32,0:17:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the nation-state to the federal state.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.05,0:17:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we would need a constitution
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.01,0:17:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that, that will be over-arching
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.34,0:17:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and towering above the constitutions
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.24,0:17:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our nation-states. We didn't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.58,0:17:27.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, now there's no sovereignty.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.59,0:17:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now there is just opacity, there is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.38,0:17:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarianism, there are officials
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.82,0:17:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you or maybe you know who they are and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.71,0:17:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they are called, but the crashing
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.37,0:17:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,majority of Europeans have never even
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.67,0:17:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seen their face or heard their names
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.17,0:17:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who make the important - crucial -
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.00,0:17:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decisions, behind their backs
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.82,0:17:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.68,0:17:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the vast majority of Europeans,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.32,0:17:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they agree with me or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.99,0:17:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel that there is this lack of legitimacy
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.29,0:17:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that problem with this is, that in the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.16,0:18:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,context of an deflationary spiral
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.69,0:18:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with refugee crisis that are not being
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.02,0:18:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dealt with collectively
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.92,0:18:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a very serious danger
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.09,0:18:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this discontent
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.90,0:18:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the lack of legitimacy
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.04,0:18:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the disrespect to the constitutions
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.30,0:18:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without having an over-arching federal
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.66,0:18:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constitution, leads to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.36,0:18:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disintegration, to nationalism, to an
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.20,0:18:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attempt to recoil back into the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.27,0:18:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nation state. In other words
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.74,0:18:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put it very so simply
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.79,0:18:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A postmodern version of the 1930's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.58,0:18:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Democrats must stop this.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.11,0:18:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must give the average people out there
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.00,0:18:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially those who would never want to hear
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.60,0:18:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything from me, or people like me,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.03,0:18:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must give them hope
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.22,0:18:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Europe can rise up to the occasion
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.85,0:18:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of reclaiming constitutional democratic
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.10,0:18:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,processes in a way that is consistent
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.72,0:18:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with their anxieties and aspirations
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.03,0:19:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I still wonder why we need your movement, this new movement? As we have other political leftwing parties who fight for democracy, who fight for more integration.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.53,0:19:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: I hope, you know, it would be a dream
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.86,0:19:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me, not to have to do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.42,0:19:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be great, if existing movements
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.11,0:19:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have done the job!
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.87,0:19:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't feel they can and
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.29,0:19:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe a left-wing movement can
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.32,0:19:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do it. Look, I'm a left-winger, I make no bones
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.70,0:19:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that, I think that you all know this,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.18,0:19:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I have to be brutally honest:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.23,0:19:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Left suffered a major defeat in the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.91,0:19:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,late 1980's, early 1990's. We carry a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.76,0:19:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major burden of guilt. For all the crimes
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.04,0:19:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we carried out as leftists,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.91,0:19:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not as individuals - the collective
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.01,0:19:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guilt of the left.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.25,0:19:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the 20th Century.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.93,0:19:59.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Left has not succeeded
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.100,0:20:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since 1991 and especially after 2008 the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.96,0:20:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major, the great financial crisis
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.91,0:20:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which it was the impetus, the trigger
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.36,0:20:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the crisis of the Euro, the crisis of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.80,0:20:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the European Union, now.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.34,0:20:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've failed as The Left to break out
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.30,0:20:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that past to break out of that very
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.47,0:20:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strict confines of a minority.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.90,0:20:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did this in Greece, briefly
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.50,0:20:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this was not replicated in Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.56,0:20:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not replicated in France.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.37,0:20:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The issues that we're facing however
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.82,0:20:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like in the 1970's, are issues
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.25,0:20:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that are existentialist for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.02,0:20:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,survival of Europe and well beyond
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.56,0:20:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the limitations of The Left
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.43,0:20:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This why we're calling for a broad
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.63,0:20:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coalition of liberal, social, leftist,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.29,0:20:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,radical, green democrats,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.49,0:20:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who agree on one simple idea
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.38,0:20:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the "demos" must be centrally in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.77,0:20:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Democracy."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.62,0:20:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And not be treated with contempt by
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.31,0:21:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bureaucrats that have usurped power
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.36,0:21:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without anyone even having noticed.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.81,0:21:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: As the Refugee situation is always been mentioned
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.40,0:21:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a threat. I wonder if it is possible, if you view it possible for your movement as a positive thing? as a common project for europe, as population growth rather than just a threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.49,0:21:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: If you read our manifest, it's very clear
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.32,0:21:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this: One of the epithets we have
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.51,0:21:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attached to the Europe of our dreams
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.53,0:21:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our aspirations, is an Open Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.01,0:21:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Europe that understands
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.74,0:21:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that fences and borders reflect insecurity
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.84,0:21:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And spread insecurity in the name of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.18,0:21:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security. Speaking as Yanis Varoufakis now, not as DiEM
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.47,0:21:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because DiEM has to be genuinely democratic
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.41,0:21:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore we have to convene sessions
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.34,0:21:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this, before we have a position about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.79,0:22:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will speak to you now, personally
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.24,0:22:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as a representative of DiEM.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.69,0:22:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two points about refugees:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.41,0:22:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Firstly from the ancient Greek tradition
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.26,0:22:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of philoxenia when somebody knocks on
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.81,0:22:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your door in the middle of the night,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.01,0:22:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're wet and they're hungry
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.85,0:22:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're blooded and scares,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.53,0:22:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't do a cost-benefit-analysis
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.53,0:22:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find out whether you should open the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.90,0:22:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,door.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.19,0:22:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just open it!
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.99,0:22:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you worry about the percussions
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.03,0:22:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what you have done, much later
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.96,0:22:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after that person is dry, fed, watered
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.72,0:22:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not scared.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.00,0:22:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Point number one.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.11,0:22:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Point number two:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.23,0:22:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe must come to terms with its
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.45,0:22:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history. For hundreds of years we have
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.24,0:22:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,populated the Earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.92,0:22:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've exported Europeans to The Americas
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.37,0:22:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Australia, to Asia, to Africa.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.21,0:22:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've colonized. We've killed off tribes
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.53,0:22:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have taken over the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.85,0:23:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was fine, it was part of the great European exodus.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.95,0:23:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you know what? Guess what!
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.39,0:23:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The demographics of the planet are now
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.29,0:23:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing and Europe is going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.25,0:23:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repopulated to a very large extent
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.03,0:23:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by people from outside of Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.35,0:23:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We better accept that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.19,0:23:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Learn to live with it
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.74,0:23:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and learn to draw from it
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.21,0:23:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the energy that we can.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.35,0:23:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are Aging Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.50,0:23:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and concentrate on how to handle this.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.64,0:23:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What polices are needed in order to make
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.49,0:23:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this dynamic transition.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.07,0:23:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come much closer to humanist values
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.04,0:23:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and European values.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.38,0:23:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: While reading your manifesto I saw some short-term goals like transparency and openness
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.50,0:24:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some midle-term goals like constitutional assembling directly
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.63,0:24:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the people of Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.43,0:24:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you please adress the means you have in order of leverage to achieve those
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.45,0:24:17.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goals, in a european context?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.76,0:24:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: We have no means whatsoever.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.98,0:24:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're starting tonight
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.55,0:24:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before tonight, we don't exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.57,0:24:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're who have no leverage.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.02,0:24:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the whole point about a movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.66,0:24:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you state principals, you state objectives
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.94,0:24:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you call upon fellow citizens from all
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.10,0:24:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over Europe to join in, if they think
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.44,0:24:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a lacuna, ther is a dearth, that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.52,0:24:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a lack and that they feel that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.82,0:24:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need to come with you and promote
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.79,0:24:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collectively those objectives
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.86,0:24:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, our leverage will be absolutely
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.37,0:24:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proportional to the number of people
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.87,0:25:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that join DiEM and take an active part
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.07,0:25:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the pursuit of our common objectives
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.10,0:25:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.01,0:25:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Again from Lesbos. Now you find a very militarization in Lesbos..
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.32,0:25:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your answer to find a way out of this situation, \Nbecause you don't find Europe, nor institutions only volunteers are working.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.02,0:25:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to hear from you more concrete, what you can send appeal here in the evening, to go another way, not militarization, to find a political way to solve the problem, Its really time to act now.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.29,0:26:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: Precisely! This failure that you just
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.44,0:26:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,described is a fundamental reason why
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.51,0:26:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we believe: We need a new movement
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.36,0:26:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Europe, that offers Europeans an
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.76,0:26:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities to discuss this as Europeans
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.48,0:26:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as Greeks or as Germans or as Slovaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.33,0:26:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But allow me, this is not the time to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.67,0:26:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,articulate the fully fledged policy
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.54,0:26:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,response, but allow me to make a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.29,0:26:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very simple point: Last summer
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.84,0:26:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our gouvernment in Greece - since you
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.16,0:26:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about Lesbos -
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.52,0:26:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was forced to capitulate to a deal
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.42,0:26:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lends our bankrupt gouvernment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.62,0:26:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another 85 billion. Before that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.57,0:26:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were forced as a nation to accept
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.30,0:26:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the protestations of many of us
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.39,0:26:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the streets, 130 billion in 2012.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.36,0:26:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2010 we were forced to accept another
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.43,0:26:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,110 billion, all supposedly as part of a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.33,0:26:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solidarity to Greece - solidarity for
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.19,0:26:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bankers - but anyway
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.01,0:27:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If all those tens and hundreds of billions
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.54,0:27:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be forced down the throat of a nation
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.02,0:27:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that simply can't afford it, surely
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.44,0:27:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could find one or two, by which
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.73,0:27:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make this humanitarian part of the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.04,0:27:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crisis go away - in the most humane way,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.19,0:27:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that does not constitute a
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.18,0:27:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stepping stone towards militarization.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.36,0:27:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that we are squabbling
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.46,0:27:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the few hundreds of thousands of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.19,0:27:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,euros, when at the very same time
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.20,0:27:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bailouts of hundreds of billions
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.13,0:27:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of toxic loans are being banded about
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.14,0:27:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with abandon, this is another sign of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.50,0:27:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the disintegration of the European Union
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.91,0:27:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,History is going to pass very harsh
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.04,0:27:45.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,judgement on us
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.69,0:27:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: You always talk about more democratic practic? Are we more democratic e.g. Communist
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.38,0:27:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Party of Greece called Greece to leave European Union
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.26,0:28:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: Let me put it very sincerely:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.81,0:28:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe we should not have created the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.67,0:28:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,European Union the way we did.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.14,0:28:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm convinced we shouldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.64,0:28:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should have either not create it or
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.30,0:28:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very differently, but once we've created
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.17,0:28:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it, the disintegration of the European
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.46,0:28:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union is going to bring about
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.32,0:28:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very rapid collapse that will resemble
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.10,0:28:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terrible ways, what happened in the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.47,0:28:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1930's and what I respond to my friends
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.23,0:28:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Communist Party, radical parts of
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.01,0:28:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the left, who are articulating the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.73,0:28:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,position, that maybe disintegration,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.85,0:28:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going back to a national currency, to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.90,0:28:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an nation state and so on, is that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.18,0:28:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the solution, is I remind them
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.79,0:28:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, when we had such disintegration in
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.62,0:28:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1930's, it was not humanism
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.16,0:28:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was not the left, that benefited
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.38,0:28:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the fascists, and it was the Nazis
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.73,0:28:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Europe fell into a terrible trap
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.03,0:29:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with immense human costs
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.99,0:29:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we want the same?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.36,0:29:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I certainly don't.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.86,0:29:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have time for one last question.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.57,0:29:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are accredited we invite to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.84,0:29:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later. We also organized live-stream.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.16,0:29:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: How wil you engage people from small countries in DiEM?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.55,0:29:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: We are great believers in acting locally,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.79,0:29:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of an over-arching
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.61,0:29:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pan-European agenda. So, there will be
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.34,0:30:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many different layers of participation
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.06,0:30:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will be an application, an app
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.01,0:30:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the peoples' phone; there will be a
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.92,0:30:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website, so the digital platform, which
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.24,0:30:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is these days essentially in anything
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.37,0:30:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one does at the collective or even at the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.50,0:30:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individual level, those are digital
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.66,0:30:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platforms will allow people in Slovenia
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.45,0:30:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Ljubljana, to find out who is around
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.40,0:30:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them, that is engaged. Our idea is to move
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.02,0:30:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very quickly from these forms of digital
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.15,0:30:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication to town-hall events
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.28,0:30:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in towns, in villages, in cities.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.02,0:30:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On themes, that we decide collectively
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.81,0:30:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout Europe. Leading to bigger
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.52,0:30:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,events like the one we're having today
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.70,0:30:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On a rolling basis
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.18,0:30:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, that the digital communication can
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.60,0:30:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become analog and take the form of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.01,0:30:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face-to-face meetings, at the level of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.63,0:31:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the local, the state, and the pan-European
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.55,0:31:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks a lot. Maybe Yanis, you want a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.54,0:31:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,final message or..
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.14,0:31:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the final message is, that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.16,0:31:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's absolutely no doubt
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.71,0:31:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, what we are doing with DiEM
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.56,0:31:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems quite Utopian.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.65,0:31:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of starting a European movement
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.64,0:31:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not from a particular country
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.19,0:31:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not from any existing organizational
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.27,0:31:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basis, but from a horizontal perspective
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.34,0:31:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout Europe, in order to change Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.07,0:31:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to stop the descent into this hole
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.33,0:31:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that disintegration is opening up for us
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.07,0:31:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sounds pretty far fetched, and it may
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.79,0:31:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very well fail, but what is the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.64,0:31:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alternative? The alternative is either
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.45,0:31:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep pretending, as the powers that be
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.52,0:31:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the European Union are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.56,0:31:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can maintain this European
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.31,0:31:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union, that we now have.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.39,0:31:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can't - that's far more Utopian than
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.72,0:31:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we are doing!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.92,0:32:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And finally: The alternative to this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.36,0:32:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Utopian project is a horrible dystopia
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.37,0:32:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is going to punish severely everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.37,0:32:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except those, who flourish and find ways
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.22,0:32:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of profiting it - Profiting from human
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.96,0:32:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disasters.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.84,0:32:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much!