1 00:00:07,794 --> 00:00:10,101 I'm a clinical psychologist and I'm a researcher. 2 00:00:10,101 --> 00:00:12,452 I study drugs and human behavior. 3 00:00:12,802 --> 00:00:16,532 So I'm really interested in who uses drugs and what drugs they're using, 4 00:00:16,532 --> 00:00:17,997 and why do they use them, 5 00:00:17,997 --> 00:00:20,474 and what are the consequences for mental health? 6 00:00:20,678 --> 00:00:22,993 And like a lot of people in the past couple of years, 7 00:00:22,993 --> 00:00:26,924 my team and I have been turning our attention towards cannabis. 8 00:00:27,242 --> 00:00:29,226 And we've conducted a series of studies 9 00:00:29,226 --> 00:00:32,483 of medical and recreational cannabis users. 10 00:00:33,608 --> 00:00:36,394 So one question that people often ask me when they find out 11 00:00:36,394 --> 00:00:39,221 that I research recreational and therapeutic cannabis use 12 00:00:39,221 --> 00:00:41,022 is how can you tell the difference? 13 00:00:41,505 --> 00:00:44,889 What's the difference between recreational and medical use? 14 00:00:44,889 --> 00:00:46,568 And I think that's a great question 15 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:49,915 because it raises some really important issues 16 00:00:49,915 --> 00:00:53,922 about just how porous the barriers can be 17 00:00:53,922 --> 00:00:57,782 between well-being, health and pleasure. 18 00:00:58,092 --> 00:01:00,784 And I don't think there's really an easy answer. 19 00:01:01,774 --> 00:01:04,975 I don't think there's going to be one, sort of, objective criteria 20 00:01:04,975 --> 00:01:08,592 that we can use to distinguish medical from recreational use. 21 00:01:09,175 --> 00:01:11,793 There are people out there who have conditions 22 00:01:11,793 --> 00:01:15,603 that respond very well to cannabis-based medicines. 23 00:01:15,603 --> 00:01:18,239 And they might still use cannabis a lot of the time 24 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:20,384 because they like the way it makes them feel. 25 00:01:20,884 --> 00:01:24,332 There are also people who might not think of themselves as medical users, 26 00:01:24,332 --> 00:01:28,595 but they get substantial symptom relief from using cannabis - 27 00:01:28,595 --> 00:01:31,656 people with back pain who smoke a joint before they go to bed 28 00:01:31,656 --> 00:01:35,956 and find they can get through the night with a good sleep undisturbed by pain 29 00:01:35,956 --> 00:01:38,314 even though they're having a bit of a flare-up. 30 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:41,208 But for a lot of people it is clear cut. 31 00:01:41,208 --> 00:01:44,494 They have serious and severe symptoms and illnesses 32 00:01:44,494 --> 00:01:48,298 that they treat effectively with cannabis and cannabis-based medicines, 33 00:01:48,298 --> 00:01:51,926 and they don't like the feeling; it's an unwelcome side effect. 34 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:54,704 For a lot of people, it's both: 35 00:01:55,103 --> 00:01:59,000 They treat very legitimate symptoms using cannabis medicines, 36 00:01:59,290 --> 00:02:02,116 and maybe they like some of the other aspects as well. 37 00:02:02,498 --> 00:02:06,784 But whether it's recreational or therapeutic or both, 38 00:02:06,784 --> 00:02:10,763 what we do know is that a lot of adults in Canada 39 00:02:10,763 --> 00:02:12,583 choose to use cannabis. 40 00:02:13,106 --> 00:02:15,375 They weigh the costs and the benefits, 41 00:02:15,375 --> 00:02:19,033 and they make a reasonable and rational choice to use cannabis. 42 00:02:19,285 --> 00:02:22,613 It's well over half of Canadians across their lifetime, 43 00:02:22,613 --> 00:02:26,812 and about 20 percent of us in the past year. 44 00:02:27,044 --> 00:02:31,004 So if so many Canadian adults are making this rational choice, 45 00:02:31,004 --> 00:02:32,522 what's the big deal? 46 00:02:32,522 --> 00:02:35,854 Why do we have this complex and conflicted 47 00:02:35,854 --> 00:02:38,774 fearful relationship with this ancient plant? 48 00:02:44,414 --> 00:02:47,156 I think that's really the important question. 49 00:02:47,156 --> 00:02:49,283 How did we get where we are today? 50 00:02:49,283 --> 00:02:51,885 And where might we go from here? 51 00:02:51,885 --> 00:02:53,932 And that's what I want to talk about. 52 00:02:54,263 --> 00:02:56,953 I want to talk about where we are with cannabis. 53 00:02:57,542 --> 00:03:00,905 You know, when we think about our relationship with the cannabis plant, 54 00:03:00,905 --> 00:03:02,645 we tend to have very short memories. 55 00:03:02,645 --> 00:03:04,725 A lot of us will start off, you know, 56 00:03:04,725 --> 00:03:08,375 with some of the cultural changes of the 1960s - 57 00:03:09,405 --> 00:03:10,943 there's Jerry Garcia. 58 00:03:11,622 --> 00:03:14,662 Some of us will even go back to the 1950s 59 00:03:15,202 --> 00:03:16,933 and jazz culture. 60 00:03:16,933 --> 00:03:20,454 But really, if we want to think about our relationship 61 00:03:20,454 --> 00:03:22,096 between human beings and cannabis, 62 00:03:22,096 --> 00:03:24,476 we have to go back a whole lot further than that. 63 00:03:25,064 --> 00:03:30,442 This is a pictographic representation of hemp plants being hung out to dry. 64 00:03:31,162 --> 00:03:34,314 It's about 5,000 years old; it comes from central Asia. 65 00:03:34,314 --> 00:03:40,082 And that's where our best estimates of early human use of cannabis come from, 66 00:03:40,082 --> 00:03:42,339 several thousand years ago in Asia. 67 00:03:42,592 --> 00:03:46,374 And whether that use was medical, whether it was spiritual, 68 00:03:46,374 --> 00:03:48,592 whether it was just for fun, 69 00:03:48,982 --> 00:03:51,765 I don't think we really know, it's an ongoing debate. 70 00:03:51,765 --> 00:03:55,984 But what we do know is that this is a very old relationship. 71 00:03:56,633 --> 00:04:00,582 By some estimates, cannabis was the first cultivated plant. 72 00:04:00,823 --> 00:04:04,659 You could say that cannabis and human beings grew up together. 73 00:04:04,913 --> 00:04:08,353 Cannabis has been described as a camp follower. 74 00:04:08,353 --> 00:04:11,734 It's a plant that follows human beings wherever we go 75 00:04:11,734 --> 00:04:16,245 and wherever we disturb the earth and make a place for it to take root. 76 00:04:16,476 --> 00:04:18,371 Cannabis can, of course, grow wild, 77 00:04:18,371 --> 00:04:21,015 but it doesn't mind some help. 78 00:04:21,015 --> 00:04:24,282 And for most of our many-millennia-long relationship, 79 00:04:24,282 --> 00:04:26,074 we've gotten along pretty well. 80 00:04:26,785 --> 00:04:30,307 Even as recently as just a little over 100 years ago, 81 00:04:31,364 --> 00:04:36,773 Queen Victoria was using cannabis extracts for therapeutic purposes. 82 00:04:37,554 --> 00:04:41,583 But like any long relationship, there have been ups and downs. 83 00:04:41,994 --> 00:04:44,194 And cannabis and human beings 84 00:04:44,194 --> 00:04:47,203 had a bit of a falling out around the 1930s. 85 00:04:48,024 --> 00:04:51,625 That's when you first see the term "marijuana" become popular, 86 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:54,854 and it was a term that was coined by cannabis prohibitionists 87 00:04:54,854 --> 00:04:58,944 to make the familiar cannabis plant seem foreign and scary. 88 00:04:58,944 --> 00:05:01,105 That's why I don't favor that term. 89 00:05:01,105 --> 00:05:03,490 I like to think that my great-grandchildren 90 00:05:03,490 --> 00:05:05,033 won't recognize it. 91 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:08,024 And if they do, they'll laugh when they hear "marijuana." 92 00:05:08,024 --> 00:05:10,274 I'm pretty sure that they're going to look back 93 00:05:10,274 --> 00:05:15,984 on our current era as a strange and confusing time of misunderstanding. 94 00:05:17,903 --> 00:05:21,336 So, since we've had this falling out, 95 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:23,336 cannabis and people, 96 00:05:24,102 --> 00:05:25,435 how have we both fared? 97 00:05:25,435 --> 00:05:29,466 I mean, we're both distinct species with our own biological imperatives. 98 00:05:29,466 --> 00:05:32,313 So what has this interspecies battle 99 00:05:32,313 --> 00:05:35,424 meant for people and for the cannabis plant? 100 00:05:35,974 --> 00:05:42,484 It's been noted that the psychoactive resin of the cannabis plant, 101 00:05:42,484 --> 00:05:45,384 the part that has most of the medical properties, 102 00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:47,391 the part that people use to get high, 103 00:05:48,002 --> 00:05:51,593 it's been proposed that that evolved to protect and cool the seeds, 104 00:05:51,782 --> 00:05:53,394 and that's certainly true. 105 00:05:53,781 --> 00:05:58,184 But when we think about how much help the cannabis plant has got from people, 106 00:05:58,184 --> 00:06:02,195 we can imagine that the resin may have evolved 107 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:05,475 to serve other purposes as well. 108 00:06:08,064 --> 00:06:10,075 The writer Michael Pollan, 109 00:06:10,075 --> 00:06:12,814 in a great TED Talk from a couple of years ago, 110 00:06:12,814 --> 00:06:15,279 encourages us to take a plant's eye view of things, 111 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,985 to try to see things from the plant's perspective. 112 00:06:17,985 --> 00:06:20,574 And I think that perspective can be really helpful 113 00:06:20,574 --> 00:06:25,045 when we try to estimate what the impact of this battle has been 114 00:06:25,045 --> 00:06:28,514 on the evolutionary path of the cannabis plant. 115 00:06:29,622 --> 00:06:31,943 I think when we take this plant's eye perspective, 116 00:06:31,943 --> 00:06:34,354 particularly here in BC, 117 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:37,909 it seems like the cannabis plant is doing pretty well. 118 00:06:38,242 --> 00:06:42,835 It's not native to this region but it grows widely throughout the area. 119 00:06:43,603 --> 00:06:46,313 You know, I think that if I were to take the perspective 120 00:06:46,313 --> 00:06:50,635 of another plant species, one that is native to BC, 121 00:06:50,635 --> 00:06:52,496 the Ponderosa pine. 122 00:06:52,865 --> 00:06:55,785 So if I was a Ponderosa pine and I had an ego 123 00:06:55,785 --> 00:06:58,454 and a self-reflective consciousness, 124 00:06:58,454 --> 00:07:02,443 I think I'd be a little aggravated when I looked at the cannabis plant. 125 00:07:02,775 --> 00:07:05,874 You know, there used to be stands of Ponderosa pine, 126 00:07:05,874 --> 00:07:11,845 and now there are caverns and basements full of cannabis. 127 00:07:12,297 --> 00:07:15,324 So it seems like cannabis is having a bit of a moment. 128 00:07:16,314 --> 00:07:20,652 You know, and not only has cannabis gained a whole lot of territory 129 00:07:20,652 --> 00:07:22,904 over the last several decades, 130 00:07:22,904 --> 00:07:24,904 it's also diversified. 131 00:07:25,544 --> 00:07:29,085 The number of distinct and robust strains of cannabis 132 00:07:29,085 --> 00:07:32,275 has skyrocketed over the last couple decades. 133 00:07:33,343 --> 00:07:38,143 So in the 75 years or so since people declared war on cannabis, 134 00:07:38,143 --> 00:07:42,724 the cannabis plant is bigger, better and stronger than ever. 135 00:07:43,732 --> 00:07:47,699 So how have people fared since we started this battle? 136 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:49,837 What's it meant for us as a species? 137 00:07:49,837 --> 00:07:52,053 And I think it's cost us dearly. 138 00:07:52,053 --> 00:07:54,599 It's certainly cost us a lot in resources. 139 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:57,604 The most recent estimates from the U.S. 140 00:07:58,254 --> 00:08:00,646 suggest that the cost of cannabis prohibition 141 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:03,664 is over 40 billion dollars per year. 142 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:07,044 That's over ten billion dollars in enforcement, 143 00:08:07,044 --> 00:08:09,403 30 billion dollars in lost revenue. 144 00:08:09,403 --> 00:08:12,615 And we can imagine that it's proportionally similar here in Canada. 145 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:15,343 But the cost hasn't only been economic, of course, 146 00:08:15,343 --> 00:08:19,313 it's been a terrible cost in terms of human misery and suffering. 147 00:08:19,313 --> 00:08:22,494 Countless families have been disrupted by crime 148 00:08:22,494 --> 00:08:24,684 and by incarceration. 149 00:08:24,684 --> 00:08:28,285 And a lot of those come from some of our most vulnerable communities. 150 00:08:30,324 --> 00:08:32,131 On top of that, until very recently, 151 00:08:32,131 --> 00:08:36,595 we've been deprived of a very safe and effective medicine. 152 00:08:39,211 --> 00:08:42,925 So, if we look at this as a zero-sum game, 153 00:08:42,925 --> 00:08:45,757 it seems that cannabis is coming out way ahead, 154 00:08:45,757 --> 00:08:48,395 and people are really on the losing end. 155 00:08:48,765 --> 00:08:52,354 And as much as I respect and admire the cannabis plant, 156 00:08:52,354 --> 00:08:56,033 I'm a human psychologist, not a plant psychologist. 157 00:08:56,033 --> 00:09:00,229 So my job is to support human health and well-being. 158 00:09:00,229 --> 00:09:04,534 And so I'm compelled to imagine a different way 159 00:09:04,534 --> 00:09:07,984 that we can maybe tip the scales back in favor of humanity. 160 00:09:07,984 --> 00:09:10,875 What would it look like if we called a truce with cannabis? 161 00:09:10,875 --> 00:09:13,367 As we seem tantalizingly close to doing. 162 00:09:15,604 --> 00:09:18,453 So my team and I just published a study 163 00:09:18,453 --> 00:09:21,045 looking at over 600 medical cannabis users 164 00:09:21,045 --> 00:09:22,222 from across the country. 165 00:09:22,222 --> 00:09:24,304 These are people with many of the conditions 166 00:09:24,304 --> 00:09:27,997 that characterize the use of cannabis for therapeutic purposes - 167 00:09:28,225 --> 00:09:31,962 people with serious conditions, like cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, 168 00:09:31,962 --> 00:09:33,948 arthritis, chronic pain. 169 00:09:34,204 --> 00:09:39,543 And what we found was that in addition to treating some of the distinct features 170 00:09:39,543 --> 00:09:41,205 of these disorders, 171 00:09:41,205 --> 00:09:44,666 people were using cannabis for three primary reasons: 172 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:47,073 to help sleep, 173 00:09:47,584 --> 00:09:48,780 to reduce pain 174 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:50,694 and to alleviate anxiety. 175 00:09:51,036 --> 00:09:54,733 These are things that so many of us seek treatment for. 176 00:09:54,733 --> 00:09:58,596 And our medicine cabinets are full of pharmaceutical products 177 00:09:58,596 --> 00:10:01,261 that are designed to treat these very symptoms. 178 00:10:03,194 --> 00:10:08,755 Our team is particularly interested in the co-occurrance of anxiety and pain. 179 00:10:09,023 --> 00:10:11,324 We know these things go very close together - 180 00:10:11,324 --> 00:10:14,205 that anxiety and pain really make each other worse. 181 00:10:14,523 --> 00:10:16,864 So we conducted a follow-up study 182 00:10:17,204 --> 00:10:21,285 that focused on people who use cannabis to treat anxiety and pain together. 183 00:10:21,285 --> 00:10:24,136 And what we found was that cannabis was most effective 184 00:10:24,136 --> 00:10:28,417 amongst individuals who were anxious, in pain, 185 00:10:28,417 --> 00:10:32,031 and were trying hard to cope effectively with that pain. 186 00:10:33,405 --> 00:10:35,252 Cannabis was least effective 187 00:10:35,252 --> 00:10:39,774 for people who used avoidant and self-blaming type of coping. 188 00:10:40,484 --> 00:10:44,543 We also found that among the people for whom cannabis was most effective, 189 00:10:44,543 --> 00:10:46,779 nearly 80 percent reported 190 00:10:46,779 --> 00:10:50,474 that cannabis allowed them to be more active despite the pain. 191 00:10:50,474 --> 00:10:56,274 And over 85 percent said that cannabis helped them to think less about the pain. 192 00:10:56,274 --> 00:10:59,803 And that makes a lot of sense given what we now know 193 00:10:59,803 --> 00:11:02,112 about how cannabis works in the brain. 194 00:11:03,297 --> 00:11:06,855 A few decades ago, neuroscientists discovered 195 00:11:06,855 --> 00:11:10,434 that we have our own system in our brains and throughout our bodies 196 00:11:10,434 --> 00:11:13,954 that is uniquely tuned to working with cannabis 197 00:11:13,954 --> 00:11:16,124 and cannabis-like substances. 198 00:11:16,124 --> 00:11:18,353 It's called the endocannabinoid system. 199 00:11:18,694 --> 00:11:20,175 And we've also found 200 00:11:20,175 --> 00:11:24,733 that there's a concentration of activity of this cannabis system in the amygdala. 201 00:11:26,054 --> 00:11:31,025 That's the part of the brain that's focused on processing anxiety, 202 00:11:31,025 --> 00:11:34,676 fear and the emotional content of fear. 203 00:11:37,774 --> 00:11:41,584 And the activity of cannabis in the amygdala 204 00:11:41,584 --> 00:11:45,253 raises a lot of really interesting possibilities. 205 00:11:45,454 --> 00:11:48,605 We spend billions and billions of dollars every year 206 00:11:48,605 --> 00:11:53,042 on pharmaceutical medications designed to treat anxiety, 207 00:11:53,042 --> 00:11:56,924 and our existing medications are problematic for a number of reasons. 208 00:11:56,924 --> 00:12:01,543 So our team is also really interested in how cannabis might work for anxiety 209 00:12:01,543 --> 00:12:04,373 amongst people who don't also have pain conditions. 210 00:12:04,716 --> 00:12:08,103 We just wrapped up a study led by my student Kim Crosby 211 00:12:08,103 --> 00:12:11,725 looking at anxiety, cannabis use 212 00:12:11,725 --> 00:12:15,243 and psychological well-being amongst college students, 213 00:12:15,243 --> 00:12:17,623 and we found something that was pretty surprising, 214 00:12:17,623 --> 00:12:21,205 something that runs counter to what you might expect to see 215 00:12:21,205 --> 00:12:23,943 in studies of substance use and mental health. 216 00:12:25,326 --> 00:12:28,005 The frequent cannabis users in our study - 217 00:12:28,005 --> 00:12:31,602 those who used cannabis two or more times a week - 218 00:12:31,602 --> 00:12:34,232 were less anxious than the non-users, 219 00:12:34,232 --> 00:12:38,565 and they were less sensitive to the anxiety that they did have. 220 00:12:39,236 --> 00:12:43,304 They worried less, and they worried less about their worrying. 221 00:12:44,015 --> 00:12:48,712 So, maybe if we can make peace with cannabis, 222 00:12:48,712 --> 00:12:51,530 it can help us to start and make peace with ourselves, 223 00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:53,163 at least for some people. 224 00:12:53,863 --> 00:12:55,741 I think it's worth looking into. 225 00:12:58,535 --> 00:13:01,486 So, if we can start to see cannabis 226 00:13:02,106 --> 00:13:05,029 as a tool for assisting with our mental health, 227 00:13:05,029 --> 00:13:06,484 what's next? 228 00:13:07,044 --> 00:13:10,114 Well, the best studies have yet to be done. 229 00:13:10,872 --> 00:13:14,051 Studies that side by side compare cannabis 230 00:13:14,051 --> 00:13:17,286 with other popular medicines to treat anxiety. 231 00:13:17,496 --> 00:13:20,134 And the reason those studies haven't been done 232 00:13:20,134 --> 00:13:23,775 is largely due to barriers that have been set up by governments 233 00:13:23,775 --> 00:13:26,913 over the last couple of decades as part of the war on drugs. 234 00:13:28,513 --> 00:13:31,015 Fortunately, this is all starting to change. 235 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:35,347 Just a few weeks ago, the United States Department of Health and Human Services 236 00:13:35,347 --> 00:13:39,233 gave a green light to the first clinical trial 237 00:13:39,233 --> 00:13:43,072 of cannabis for the treatment of post traumatic stress disorder, 238 00:13:43,472 --> 00:13:47,243 one of the most severe and debilitating of the anxiety disorders. 239 00:13:48,074 --> 00:13:50,185 So it's a very exciting time. 240 00:13:50,555 --> 00:13:53,683 And if we can start to use cannabis in this way, what's next? 241 00:13:53,683 --> 00:13:56,781 I think there are a lot of other plant medicines 242 00:13:56,781 --> 00:13:58,385 that we could make peace with 243 00:13:58,385 --> 00:14:01,214 and that might help us with our well-being. 244 00:14:02,525 --> 00:14:08,214 Among the most promising is psilocybin, also known as magic mushrooms. 245 00:14:08,741 --> 00:14:10,020 A recent study found 246 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:12,743 that just a few treatments with psilocybin 247 00:14:13,293 --> 00:14:16,462 help people reduce anxiety and depression 248 00:14:16,462 --> 00:14:18,624 when they're dealing with terminal illness. 249 00:14:19,074 --> 00:14:24,353 There's also an ongoing study looking at the effectiveness of psilocybin 250 00:14:24,353 --> 00:14:26,813 for treating obsessive- compulsive disorder. 251 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,823 So this is a really exciting time for those of us 252 00:14:30,823 --> 00:14:33,730 who are interested in the psychotherapeutic potential 253 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:39,265 of ancient plant medicines like cannabis, like psilocybin, like ayahuasca. 254 00:14:40,114 --> 00:14:42,186 There's new studies coming out all the time, 255 00:14:42,186 --> 00:14:45,263 and the rate of discovery is accelerating rapidly. 256 00:14:46,612 --> 00:14:49,394 What this might mean in a more broad sense 257 00:14:49,394 --> 00:14:52,043 is that in the coming years and decades, 258 00:14:52,633 --> 00:14:55,734 we may have access to some of the very same medicines 259 00:14:55,734 --> 00:14:59,100 that our ancestors used effectively for millenia. 260 00:15:00,674 --> 00:15:04,372 It might also mean that we might be able to start to address 261 00:15:04,372 --> 00:15:09,163 some of our mental health concerns using our gardens or green houses, 262 00:15:09,163 --> 00:15:12,925 and I think that in itself could be tremendously empowering. 263 00:15:15,115 --> 00:15:20,314 It could also help us to reduce the tremendous environmental cost 264 00:15:20,314 --> 00:15:23,429 of producing and disposing of tons and tons 265 00:15:23,429 --> 00:15:26,501 of pharmaceutical products into our land and water. 266 00:15:27,198 --> 00:15:30,050 And finally, I think it means 267 00:15:30,050 --> 00:15:33,056 that the drug talk we're going to have with our kids 268 00:15:33,056 --> 00:15:36,574 will be a lot more fact based and straightforward 269 00:15:37,094 --> 00:15:39,523 than the drug talk that many of us got as kids. 270 00:15:39,523 --> 00:15:40,783 Thank you very much. 271 00:15:40,783 --> 00:15:42,866 (Applause) (Cheers)