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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.03,0:00:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.05,0:00:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Enrico is a guy with many hats in Debian and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.74,0:00:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't expect it but he will talk about a new hat:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.29,0:00:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the "Debian contributor hat"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.89,0:00:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, please welcome Enrico.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.16,0:00:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.42,0:00:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody expects Debian contributors.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.44,0:00:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our chief weapons are Debian Developers.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.75,0:00:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian Developers and Debian Maintainers are our two weapons
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.70,0:00:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian Developers and Debian Maintainers and Alioth accounts
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.57,0:00:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are our three weapons
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.51,0:00:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Debian Developers, Debian Maintainers, Alioth accounts and bug reports
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.76,0:00:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are our four amongst our weapons
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.14,0:00:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amongst our weaponry
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.58,0:00:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are such elements as Debian Developers, Debian Maintainers are... I'll come in again.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.65,0:00:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[comment about the Social Contract]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.42,0:01:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody expects Debian contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.51,0:01:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amongst our weaponry
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.93,0:01:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are such diverse elements as
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.65,0:01:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian Developers, Debian Maintainers
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.65,0:01:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alioth accounts, bug reporters
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.79,0:01:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it miss contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.74,0:01:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's more possible
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.49,0:01:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We clearly need another hat
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.96,0:01:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sense of all this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.42,0:01:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.03,0:01:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let's make a new hat
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.08,0:01:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to create a hat
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.58,0:01:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Debian contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.08,0:01:52.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that we can say
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.41,0:01:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody expects Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.52,0:01:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our chief weapons are Debian contributors, full stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.79,0:02:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A hat for everyone that contributes to Debian.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.12,0:02:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the details are here.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.00,0:02:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the file
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.42,0:02:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with notes.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.11,0:02:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it readable at the end?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.19,0:02:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.11,0:02:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have much better eyesight that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.49,0:02:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, sorry, I open in a different terminal.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.57,0:02:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.69,0:02:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.92,0:02:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a text file with notes about what I plan to do
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.38,0:02:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to go through it with you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.91,0:02:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.46,0:02:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,edit it together with you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.46,0:02:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the end of these 45 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.51,0:03:00.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a proposal that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.97,0:03:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll try to implement during DebConf
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.09,0:03:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fail unless somebody helps me, probably
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.39,0:03:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what we see how much of this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.44,0:03:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want to do, how much of it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.54,0:03:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be implemented during DebConf and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.54,0:03:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the end of DebConf
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.40,0:03:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll make another talk about what we changed in Debian.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.72,0:03:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.95,0:03:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is probably a good time to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.88,0:03:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, so
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.42,0:03:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem we want to solve
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.38,0:03:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem I want to solve
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.57,0:03:44.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you probably also want to solve
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.57,0:03:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you realise you have a problem
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.49,0:03:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is... words wrapping.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.60,0:03:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughers] Now that we solved word wrapping.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.43,0:04:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, so
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.44,0:04:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Debian, we have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.49,0:04:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of contributions that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.10,0:04:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do not thank people for
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.49,0:04:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the sense that we do not acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.83,0:04:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people that did
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.54,0:04:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translations,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.97,0:04:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worked
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.32,0:04:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't acknowledge somewhere people who did translations
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.70,0:04:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people who reported bugs
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.70,0:04:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is lots of contributions outside of Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.03,0:04:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if we look
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.59,0:04:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around package tracking system
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.44,0:04:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian developer package overview
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.19,0:04:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's all package-based
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.99,0:04:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's where we come from
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.07,0:04:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.96,0:04:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we track uploads that are easy to track
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.74,0:04:49.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we acknowledge uploads mostly
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.98,0:04:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.81,0:04:58.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's so much more that we do not acknowledge at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.83,0:05:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.67,0:05:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a need
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.25,0:05:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the time, we created so many ways of contributing to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.52,0:05:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside being a Debian Developer
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.77,0:05:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.38,0:05:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the head
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.71,0:05:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Italian translations in Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.54,0:05:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a Debian Developer
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.68,0:05:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody knows
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.53,0:05:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who she is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.75,0:05:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I know who she is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.25,0:05:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Francesca told me
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.25,0:05:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at least two Debian Developers know who she is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.55,0:05:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've no idea who's the head of the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.91,0:05:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vietnamese translation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.40,0:05:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Raise your head if you know who is the head of the Vietnamese translation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.51,0:05:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Debian.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.56,0:05:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[chat in the public]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.78,0:05:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[public] I know the French one
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.50,0:06:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, we all know who the French one is.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.77,0:06:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.32,0:06:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[claps]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.15,0:06:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, we totally need a way to credit people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.09,0:06:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.92,0:06:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is so much more than
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.84,0:06:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uploads and Cheese and Wine BoFs
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.66,0:06:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's this idea of creating a hat
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.55,0:06:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Debian contributor which is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.55,0:06:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ultimate do-ocracy hat
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.74,0:06:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no bureaucracy involved
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.24,0:06:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you contribute to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.71,0:06:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.68,0:06:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,automatically: there is no new Debian contributor process
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.31,0:06:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you stop contributing to Debian, you stop being a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.83,0:06:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.72,0:06:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.24,0:07:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get such
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.60,0:07:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diverse privileges as
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.15,0:07:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having your name on a list
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.15,0:07:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Debian contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.48,0:07:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.59,0:07:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and possibly, if you're not a Debian contributor anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.03,0:07:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then your name will be on a list of Debian contributors in 2012.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.00,0:07:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we want to be a bit fancy, when you click
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.02,0:07:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a name on a list
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.80,0:07:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get a page about that person
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.96,0:07:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that list what they've done
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.24,0:07:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.18,0:07:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all I had in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.34,0:07:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You report a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.89,0:07:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you become a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.25,0:07:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then maybe everything you do for Debian is reporting a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.94,0:07:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the 11th of August 2013
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.61,0:07:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you will be a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.08,0:07:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the 11th of August 2013
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.77,0:07:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the 11th of August 2013
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.18,0:08:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least you're acknowledged
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.82,0:08:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as that you've helped Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.69,0:08:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mostly I've said all of this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.29,0:08:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to do this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.06,0:08:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there needs to be a way of collecting this information
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.28,0:08:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are data sources we can easily tap into
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.94,0:08:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.30,0:08:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,package uploads
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.04,0:08:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can see mailing list traffic, easily
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.26,0:08:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can get
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.23,0:09:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bug tracking system activity hopefully easily
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.87,0:09:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can hook into
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.92,0:09:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commit logs of Alioth
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.58,0:09:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,version control systems
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.47,0:09:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[phone ring]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.58,0:09:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[phone's owner] Sorry
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.49,0:09:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.46,0:09:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least I don't have to answer
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.06,0:09:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, this system, whenever
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.98,0:09:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at any point of its usage
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.28,0:09:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be unfair
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.06,0:09:41.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there will always be some bit of Debian that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.77,0:09:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't yet providing data
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.83,0:09:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the list.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.49,0:09:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the point is that by having such a system in place
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.40,0:09:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we create
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.07,0:09:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a proper way of acknoledging people's work
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.48,0:10:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we give motivations for teams to contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.39,0:10:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribution information to the list
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.63,0:10:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questions so far?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.20,0:10:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] If you do this automatically
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.06,0:10:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we can here assume you want to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.56,0:10:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't that raise privacy concerns?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.19,0:10:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, I did not understand the second part
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.60,0:10:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Wouldn't this raise privacy concerns?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.55,0:10:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good question.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.93,0:10:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question is,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.93,0:10:50.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we collect this data automatically, wouldn't there be privacy concerns?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.79,0:10:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, possibly
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.12,0:10:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be discussed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.03,0:11:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the information presented here
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.03,0:11:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is already public
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.75,0:11:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a public record of package uploads,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.63,0:11:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mailing lists are publicly archived
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.68,0:11:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.85,0:11:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the BTS is fully in the open
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.62,0:11:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commit logs on Alioth are public
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.90,0:11:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would only mine\Ncommit logs on Alioth are public
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.95,0:11:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would only mine
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.56,0:11:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or get data from sources that are either public
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.56,0:11:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that people agree
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.56,0:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to disclose
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.33,0:11:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, it's the usual issue of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.91,0:11:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information is public but not presented in that way
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.44,0:11:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.43,0:11:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.04,0:11:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.84,0:11:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I collected information from Debian changelogs to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.98,0:11:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the history of people's contribution in the process
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.25,0:12:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not make that information publicly available
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.41,0:12:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's a bit
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.74,0:12:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to have a discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.99,0:12:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we want to present that information in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.27,0:12:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collated in such a way
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.96,0:12:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.43,0:12:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is an issue
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.84,0:12:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My general idea would be that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.89,0:12:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once the system goes public
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.11,0:12:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there should be a way for people to opt-out
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.14,0:12:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of having information about them displayed
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.91,0:12:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the privacy scenario...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.10,0:12:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, generally people
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.79,0:12:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would understand the general...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.15,0:12:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The default would be that somebody likes
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.21,0:12:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their work to be credited
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.12,0:12:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there may be people
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.70,0:12:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.06,0:12:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have issues if some of their work is credited
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.69,0:13:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most things revolve around
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.02,0:13:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,job hunting like recruiters looking at the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.79,0:13:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you either want to be found
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.98,0:13:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you don't want to be found
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.18,0:13:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you already have a problem when contributing to Debian.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.45,0:13:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need to be careful about contributing with a different name or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.36,0:13:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.49,0:13:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my assumption is that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.63,0:13:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a big privacy issue to get it started
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.07,0:13:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.65,0:13:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we give people the opportunity to opt-out
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.23,0:13:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does it seem reasonable?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.58,0:13:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Maybe with a opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.33,0:13:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe with a opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.52,0:13:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By default it's not opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.27,0:13:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would be fine with opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.12,0:14:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder how many people would know
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.40,0:14:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can opt-in and how to opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.83,0:14:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.41,0:14:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the current Debian infrastructure is not even opt-out
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.72,0:14:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't say "Please don't show
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.10,0:14:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the messages that I sent to Debian mailing lists"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.79,0:14:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would see surprising that such a thing would be opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.73,0:14:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because anything is already out by default
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.20,0:14:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.31,0:14:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could be convinced
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.25,0:14:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about making it opt-in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.44,0:14:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's seems to be
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.05,0:14:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the moment something that would
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.16,0:14:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impact
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.52,0:14:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the start of such project
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.71,0:14:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, before
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.12,0:15:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody gets a useful list
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.07,0:15:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would need to go and bother a thousand people
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.56,0:15:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to opt-in the system so that at least can get populated
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.87,0:15:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.33,0:15:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] I think you should also look at legal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.52,0:15:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspects, you are collecting personal information
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.82,0:15:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far... I don't know the law
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.76,0:15:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by heart
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.71,0:15:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as far as I understand it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.71,0:15:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be illegal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.92,0:15:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in half of european countries
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.23,0:15:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then Debian is already illegal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.23,0:15:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No! Currently
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.23,0:15:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not collecting this information
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.80,0:15:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we are
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.75,0:15:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have it in different pieces
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.36,0:15:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at different places
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.93,0:15:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it start
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.18,0:15:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The package tracking system would be illegal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.62,0:15:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No it's not illegal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.40,0:16:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't collect information there
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.67,0:16:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collated about a person
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.11,0:16:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There, you have it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.11,0:16:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to follow specifics purpose
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.24,0:16:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is not illegal, but if you collect it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.71,0:16:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and collect all information for a specific
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.15,0:16:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person or all persons
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.26,0:16:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and collate it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.84,0:16:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this could possibly be illegal as far as I understand it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.03,0:16:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.64,0:16:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said that you are not sure
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.47,0:16:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to talk with somebody who is sure
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.05,0:16:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we already have things
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.80,0:16:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.91,0:16:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would potentially be illegal in that view
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.10,0:16:44.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the package tracking system
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.91,0:16:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goes beyond
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.46,0:16:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listing of some of the uploaders
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.65,0:16:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it collects information
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.84,0:16:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about everything visible about the person, bugs and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.95,0:16:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Would it be
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.39,0:16:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a preset that is useful to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.39,0:17:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure this kind of things by, I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.72,0:17:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.78,0:17:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasonable set of people
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.66,0:17:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listed as contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.77,0:17:10.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could start by assuming that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.55,0:17:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who have said
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.18,0:17:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I would like to be a Debian Developer"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.90,0:17:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "I would like to be a Debian member"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.12,0:17:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have implicitely given their authorisation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.40,0:17:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be listed as Debian contributors.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.98,0:17:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a subset
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.17,0:17:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we might have to run up by a lawyer
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.56,0:17:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it seems a bit more reasonable than
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.14,0:17:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,??????
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.77,0:17:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just gonna say I think
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.08,0:17:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the legal thing should probably be a separated BoF
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.13,0:17:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.91,0:17:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the practical terms if you're only worried
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.85,0:17:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the legal point of view, you just need to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.24,0:17:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get someone who is in Debian in the US
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.40,0:17:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to host a US server because the US
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.40,0:17:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't basically have this kind of laws
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.23,0:17:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is rather missing the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.73,0:17:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly, the relevant question is I think
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.73,0:17:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no about the legal thing it's a kind of ???
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.73,0:18:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but about what we want to do and what we think is fair and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.16,0:18:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well I keep thinking ??? something
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.63,0:18:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much more lightweight than launchpad
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.41,0:18:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is doing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.10,0:18:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another point of, another way to mailing list would be to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.65,0:18:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do this automatism
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.37,0:18:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without publishing the data but
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.89,0:18:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with afterwards sending
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.92,0:18:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about once a year or
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.11,0:18:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even possibly less
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.13,0:18:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a mail to every contributor if he wants to be listed
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.07,0:18:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we have an opt-in instead of an opt-out
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.54,0:18:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we do it seldomly enough
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.40,0:18:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would not even be so
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.90,0:18:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stressing people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.40,0:18:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that makes sense
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.23,0:18:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need to wait a year,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.59,0:18:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can do it the first time you detect someone new
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.72,0:18:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone starts contributing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.44,0:18:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can send "hello, you did something in Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.64,0:18:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would like to credit you"
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.50,0:18:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait for a month.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.10,0:19:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait for a month after the first contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.66,0:19:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you get more, then
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.43,0:19:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say "Do you want to be thanked?"
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.49,0:19:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Makes sense
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.09,0:19:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Even without waiting. We can do as the Linux kernel
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.98,0:19:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you knows the stats about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.39,0:19:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which companies contribute to the Linux kernel?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.11,0:19:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like that, they check for new commits
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.14,0:19:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just send an email to ask affiliation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.66,0:19:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's other systems that calculate karma
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.05,0:19:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are illegal because
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.88,0:19:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they produce
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.68,0:19:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information that could be used to rank people
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.15,0:19:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a job point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.29,0:19:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[from audience] there is Google
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.70,0:19:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other... yeah, well.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.61,0:19:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not that concerned with that regard at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.67,0:19:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Would that credit
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.33,0:19:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only be for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.44,0:19:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,persons, or also for organisations or companies?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.41,0:19:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.27,0:20:00.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.85,0:20:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entities
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.04,0:20:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly contributing to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.98,0:20:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.95,0:20:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's some email and GPG key
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.89,0:20:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which belongs to an entity called
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.30,0:20:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FooBar ltd
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.18,0:20:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then FooBar ltd will be credited
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.38,0:20:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not interested
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.23,0:20:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a real person behind this
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.73,0:20:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not interested
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.73,0:20:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the real name of a person
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.03,0:20:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.59,0:20:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is chosen for contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.55,0:20:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we only check identities
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.05,0:20:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.05,0:20:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is when we give people upload rights
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.57,0:20:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we want to know where they live
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.82,0:20:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go there to tickle them
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.07,0:20:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.68,0:21:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.25,0:21:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the main index would be the e-mail
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.70,0:21:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even behind the scenes... But the main index would be the email?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.58,0:21:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is one issue
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.26,0:21:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is an issue
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.67,0:21:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because depending on the data sources
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.01,0:21:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the index could be an email
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.29,0:21:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the BTS for example
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.15,0:21:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an Alioth
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.69,0:21:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,account
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.84,0:21:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for commits
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.92,0:21:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Alioth
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.47,0:21:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.65,0:21:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian Developer login name
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.87,0:21:32.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sponsoring uploads
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.18,0:21:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.21,0:21:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibly, that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.81,0:21:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be some
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.51,0:21:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need of mixing things at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.43,0:21:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a bit of a separate problem
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.53,0:21:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't mind starting
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.46,0:21:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with that not being perfect
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.46,0:21:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or being fixed by hand
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.56,0:21:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we evolve at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.67,0:21:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there may be a way for people
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.46,0:21:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to log in and prove that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.63,0:21:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they control that GPG key
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.22,0:22:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that e-mail address or that Alioth account
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.02,0:22:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, sending e-mail challenge saying "that's my e-mail"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.62,0:22:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but ok, it is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.69,0:22:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, ok, then I merge
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.56,0:22:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the two sets of contributions
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.81,0:22:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibly for next year
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.60,0:22:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it starts being a bit heavy weight
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.14,0:22:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's a problem of doing this collation
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.02,0:22:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is a wider something that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.52,0:22:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,greatly help the MIA team
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.78,0:22:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.18,0:22:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the end can be something
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.18,0:22:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used to detect when people
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.89,0:22:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not contributing anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.76,0:22:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would also
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.83,0:22:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to make it so that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.59,0:22:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are a Debian Developer
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.40,0:22:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not automatically
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.04,0:22:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.61,0:22:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.87,0:22:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are not a Debian Developer
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.61,0:22:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not automatically a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.61,0:22:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are a Debian contributor only
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.93,0:22:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you contribute to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.97,0:22:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are a Debian Developer that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.74,0:22:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not contribute to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.74,0:23:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you are not on that list
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.29,0:23:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You keep being a Debian Developer
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.59,0:23:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the usual
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.84,0:23:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not interested in changing the rules
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.97,0:23:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.76,0:23:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting removed from
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.74,0:23:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian keyring
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.50,0:23:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what we have is fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.40,0:23:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.23,0:23:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's perfectly right if
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.06,0:23:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm not active in Debian for a year
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.19,0:23:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I still care about the project
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.74,0:23:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved, and follow things
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.33,0:23:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't contribute anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.73,0:23:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I'm perfectly happy that I'm not listed
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.98,0:23:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among the contributors for that year
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.87,0:23:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a hand?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.39,0:23:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Yes, I'm relaying a comment from IRC
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.38,0:23:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.90,0:23:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognising every small thing like
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.65,0:23:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just one bug report
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.28,0:23:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dillute the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.26,0:23:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the weight
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.94,0:23:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.86,0:23:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that so
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.02,0:23:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are there Debian contributors like
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.46,0:23:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the head of a translation team
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.90,0:23:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be equal to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.70,0:24:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one bug report
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.99,0:24:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the comment, I'm not saying that I agree
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.53,0:24:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way I see it
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.01,0:24:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, we can
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.50,0:24:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can tell me if you don't like this
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.03,0:24:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the way I see it, they are the same
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.71,0:24:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are Debian contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.06,0:24:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe one has been a Debian contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.89,0:24:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for much longer than the other
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.17,0:24:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the time span
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.19,0:24:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the contribution is the only extra
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.35,0:24:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit. Or you can click on a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.84,0:24:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a person and list their contributions
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.27,0:24:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, I don't want to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.10,0:24:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calculate a number
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.97,0:24:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how much one is a contributor
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.26,0:24:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't see
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.06,0:24:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why one would want to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.57,0:24:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rank people
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.21,0:24:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.84,0:24:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not interested in that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.11,0:24:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it creates a kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.85,0:24:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community where I don't want to be in
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.94,0:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personally, I mean, that would be my personal feeling
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.31,0:25:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I would be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.98,0:25:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say "thank you" even if
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.52,0:25:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a person reports a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.16,0:25:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes time to report a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.75,0:25:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was an idea
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.35,0:25:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about this
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.90,0:25:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,informally earlier
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.56,0:25:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.93,0:25:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having some data sources used
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.44,0:25:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only to compute
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.97,0:25:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time span but not
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.50,0:25:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the status of contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.26,0:25:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example mailing list traffic
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.58,0:25:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe people don't like the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.95,0:25:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you send a e-mail to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.81,0:25:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a mailing list you are Debian contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.35,0:25:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's indeed many people
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.97,0:25:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who send lots of e-mails to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.06,0:25:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mailing lists
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.21,0:25:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but do not contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.87,0:25:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter] to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.91,0:25:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at all
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.39,0:25:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.98,0:25:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a contributor for some other reason
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.01,0:25:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it makes sense to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.32,0:25:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at mailing list involvement
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.32,0:25:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say: "Well, you reported a bug today
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.52,0:25:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you've been active in mailing lists
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.87,0:25:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a year"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.78,0:26:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you are a Debian contributor because
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.31,0:26:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you reported a bug
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.59,0:26:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've been a Debian contributor for a year
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.70,0:26:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.62,0:26:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've been into Debian for a long time
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.10,0:26:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so splitting
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.15,0:26:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.86,0:26:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think some data sources
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.48,0:26:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are only useful computing the time
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.48,0:26:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not the status
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.74,0:26:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to add something about
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.02,0:26:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the issue with detecting the people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.32,0:26:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we had some experiences in the team maintenance thing
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.63,0:26:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, in UDD you have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.32,0:26:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Carnivore database
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.25,0:26:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is based on the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.13,0:26:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,key fingerprint
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.05,0:26:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we even have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.26,0:26:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for these people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.33,0:26:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody with five
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.90,0:26:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different names
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.95,0:26:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,names spellings and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.44,0:26:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are using different e-mail addresses so
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.96,0:26:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really really really doubt
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.85,0:26:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can manage this for
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.34,0:26:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, more than 500 people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.06,0:26:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.27,0:26:59.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manual work and we tried it
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.98,0:27:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's hard to cope with this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.41,0:27:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No no, I don't want to do manual work
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.17,0:27:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah but, ok
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.16,0:27:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good luck with automatic detection
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.85,0:27:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I don't want to do
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.23,0:27:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that much automatic detection either
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.70,0:27:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.85,0:27:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.26,0:27:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things to be fixed as much as possible
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.99,0:27:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.63,0:27:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at lower level of data sources
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.23,0:27:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When that is not possible
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.86,0:27:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to offer people a way to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.86,0:27:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fix the data for themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.69,0:27:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.27,0:27:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unpronounceable and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.75,0:27:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evil web site that tracks
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.50,0:27:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software developers
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.00,0:27:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in my opinion should be illegal but isn't
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.09,0:27:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it starts with "o", ohlo?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.62,0:27:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"O-l-o-h-o" something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.96,0:27:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually had an argument with
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.47,0:27:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their CEO, saying
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.87,0:27:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've asked to opt out
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.61,0:27:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of their system and they told me to fuck off
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.50,0:27:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.28,0:28:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about privacy of these things
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.39,0:28:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess if they can do what they do
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.28,0:28:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we don't have a problem to say "thank you"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.48,0:28:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a bunch of people
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.65,0:28:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They do of
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.03,0:28:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a mess, their dataset is a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.03,0:28:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a mess
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.94,0:28:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but people still like them
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.68,0:28:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm listed about
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.88,0:28:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,twenty times in their system
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.26,0:28:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if I really care about
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.83,0:28:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contributing them my identity for free
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.88,0:28:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for them to send it out
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.39,0:28:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.57,0:28:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can log in and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.94,0:28:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merge these identities for them
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.76,0:28:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.65,0:28:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's something we can offer
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.89,0:28:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.16,0:28:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that can improve things
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.01,0:28:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like carnivore and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.01,0:28:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and possibly we can have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.94,0:28:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personal homepage...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.71,0:28:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.27,0:28:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Where they actively
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.96,0:28:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribute to their identities?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.64,0:28:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least we've done
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.91,0:29:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all we can to thank them
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.07,0:29:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.90,0:29:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you know, if I tell you "thank you"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.78,0:29:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't expect you to say
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.93,0:29:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You didn't thank me in a an appropriate way"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.44,0:29:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.23,0:29:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.49,0:29:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm ok if people say
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.12,0:29:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, I'm also that person
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.39,0:29:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't need to thank me so many times"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.43,0:29:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.21,0:29:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's fine, but, on the other hand
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.20,0:29:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm perfectly happy if
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.18,0:29:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people want
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.70,0:29:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use multiple identities
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.50,0:29:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for contributing to Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.33,0:29:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody in Debian science
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.78,0:29:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may want to contribute to Debian games under a different name
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.79,0:29:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For similar reasons, I don't want to trunk
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.55,0:29:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time frame of contributions
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.11,0:29:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,below the month level
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.78,0:30:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.96,0:30:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.98,0:30:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You have contributed to Debian games
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.10,0:30:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.53,0:30:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,10am to 11:30am on a Thursday
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.05,0:30:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you were at a meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.45,0:30:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.66,0:30:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.02,0:30:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.46,0:30:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want it to be coarse
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.82,0:30:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really needs to be mostly about thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.86,0:30:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and about building reputation
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.10,0:30:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reputation is also what we can reward people with
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.21,0:30:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is kind of the point of the exercise
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.64,0:30:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that reputation is nice to acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.20,0:30:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the same time it's nice
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.33,0:30:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.58,0:30:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look up someone's reputation
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.51,0:30:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.67,0:30:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a Debian account manager and Front Desk member
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.68,0:30:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I can see what's somebody's reputation and have a
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.11,0:30:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasonable look
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.51,0:30:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I can make the process much swifter for them
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.58,0:30:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially for non uploading DDs
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.51,0:31:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's currently very hard
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.60,0:31:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.67,0:31:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can go and look at package changelogs
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.13,0:31:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see that they have been active for ten years in the project
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.25,0:31:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.10,0:31:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if somebody is a non uploading DD
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.51,0:31:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has done translations at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.69,0:31:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have very hard time seeing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.00,0:31:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they've done
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.45,0:31:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibly I don't understand the language
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.69,0:31:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, well
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.60,0:31:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that makes
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.31,0:31:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes it easier and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.20,0:31:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that another
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.33,0:31:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outcome that I would really want to see
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.07,0:31:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of this is that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.43,0:31:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we start to actually see
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.05,0:31:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in front of us
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.37,0:31:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Debian is not just
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.21,0:31:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about technical development
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.46,0:31:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot more
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.14,0:31:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if people still perceive
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.52,0:31:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, I'd like to contribute to Debian but
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.17,0:31:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm not a technical person."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.59,0:31:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.03,0:31:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of us may have
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.71,0:32:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difficulty in pointing out places
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.38,0:32:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one can go and have a look at
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.38,0:32:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a list of people and say: "hey, look
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.79,0:32:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's people over there that do also other stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.03,0:32:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it could be indexed by
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.88,0:32:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,topic of contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.45,0:32:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.02,0:32:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.60,0:32:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uploading, these are contributors that do uploading
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.39,0:32:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are contributors that do translations
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.46,0:32:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That may be introduced at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.42,0:32:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that we
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.94,0:32:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can turn on a spotlight
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.42,0:32:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in several aspects of
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.69,0:32:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian that we usually don't look into
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.40,0:32:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just take it for granted
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.45,0:32:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] I have a lot of questions
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.73,0:32:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.23,0:32:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm more concerned, more than anything
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.26,0:32:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If this...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.13,0:32:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, some
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.14,0:32:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing that you said at the beginning is that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.14,0:32:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe some people would be quite interested
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.28,0:33:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this for collaborate research, for work
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.94,0:33:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for creating a curriculum
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.57,0:33:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[A] Yes
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.08,0:33:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] and
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.30,0:33:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's as easy as to filing a bug which
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.98,0:33:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be very hard to do
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.89,0:33:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on the bug or very easy to do
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.04,0:33:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on how much you put in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.04,0:33:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.84,0:33:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to calling people to put this
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.97,0:33:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,random stuff or easy stuff there
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.09,0:33:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for just being in the list
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.68,0:33:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, well
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.63,0:33:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that point they're really bad job recruiters
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.99,0:33:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Say that if there's a recruiter that just
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.23,0:33:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does random google search
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.71,0:33:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and contacts whoever comes out
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.93,0:33:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Google recruiters
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.93,0:33:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I keep being contacted for things like managing clusters
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.78,0:33:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anyone's had a look at what I do
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.62,0:33:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't manage clusters, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.26,0:33:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if there's recruiters like that
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.18,0:33:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's nothing you can do
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.97,0:33:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people care to actually go in and to look
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.32,0:33:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at what a person has done
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.69,0:33:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.10,0:34:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a way to find out
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.11,0:34:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what contributions actually were
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.20,0:34:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from just linking to
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.46,0:34:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the usual Debian mailing list
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.26,0:34:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archives or uploads or
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.57,0:34:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commit logs and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.70,0:34:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] So, if I understand correctly, you are ready to
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.88,0:34:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use the BTS as a source
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.78,0:34:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the contributors, and you could have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.23,0:34:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of nicknames there
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.75,0:34:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be "the Pope" or "Bill Gates", or
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.59,0:34:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the name of a serial killer or whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.10,0:34:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you ready to use that?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.78,0:34:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe there could be some issue with
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.49,0:34:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that would be falsely
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.09,0:34:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,credited
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.76,0:34:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[A] We try and see what happens
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.19,0:34:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be that for the bug tracking system
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.84,0:34:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.91,0:34:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some extra intelligence built in to avoid crediting
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.23,0:34:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China manufacturing corporations
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.72,0:35:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or viagra supplies for cheap
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.88,0:35:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mailing list archives are being spammed
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.86,0:35:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.50,0:35:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but again
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.89,0:35:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.63,0:35:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe there's lots of noise
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.36,0:35:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we want to set a threshold that one
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.82,0:35:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribution to the bug tracking system is not good to be enough
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.52,0:35:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe we can look if that bug was closed
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.18,0:35:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we close spam bugs
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.64,0:35:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.82,0:35:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there's cruft, if there's noise
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.23,0:35:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can filter somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.07,0:35:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe we'll loose some contributions
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.73,0:35:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least it wasn't for lack of trying
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.71,0:35:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.43,0:35:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to go out of my way to thank someone
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.72,0:35:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I need to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.80,0:35:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find out where you live
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.32,0:35:57.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come to your home and say thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.06,0:35:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't see you anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.04,0:36:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or because I met you in a crowded
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.94,0:36:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,square and you gave me directions
Dialogue: 0,0:36:04.84,0:36:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't take down your phone number
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.25,0:36:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, it's unfair
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.36,0:36:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you won't be thanked
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.36,0:36:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I finally reach my destination, but
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.81,0:36:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's life
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.90,0:36:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.20,0:36:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then maybe it takes
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.73,0:36:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ten e-mails to the BTS
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.11,0:36:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with different content
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.00,0:36:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be acknowledged
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.94,0:36:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's possibly something to be
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.16,0:36:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would leave freedom to the people doing an import
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.60,0:36:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing, something that gets data out of the bug tracking system
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.84,0:36:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give that area freedom to work it out
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.00,0:36:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't want anyone to be perfect
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.58,0:36:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The system is not going to be perfect
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.33,0:37:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.08,0:37:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody would really like to be credited but
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.82,0:37:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't in the list
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.82,0:37:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what they do is report bugs
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.60,0:37:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would be surprised because if
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.65,0:37:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if somebody wants to be credited on reporting one bug
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.51,0:37:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to say " Well, just upload some more"
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.20,0:37:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure I want to have people
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.97,0:37:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.50,0:37:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.72,0:37:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to be credited
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.08,0:37:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.05,0:37:34.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If contributing some more is
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.05,0:37:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a way to get credited, then
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.76,0:37:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, we don't need to be perfect
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.60,0:37:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just ask people to contribute some more
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.95,0:37:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if people contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.76,0:37:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem is when people contribute a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.76,0:37:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're not credited
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.31,0:37:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then maybe we need to figure out how to import
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.75,0:37:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data from another part of Debian that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.53,0:37:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we currently don't track so well
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.80,0:38:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm totally not looking for perfection here
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.04,0:38:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Have you thought about other ways to use mailing lists
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.37,0:38:09.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive because you said
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.95,0:38:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't always want to use it as
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.56,0:38:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source of contribution but more
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.56,0:38:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to track the length of contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.64,0:38:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are some lists, for example
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.83,0:38:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,l10n translation lists
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.77,0:38:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I guess most people who contribute are real contributors
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.19,0:38:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes they
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.19,0:38:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also use
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.57,0:38:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some code
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.48,0:38:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the e-mail could be detecting
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.09,0:38:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like "Request for review"
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.81,0:38:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and stuff like this so you can add some hints on the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.50,0:38:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type of contribution more precise that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.50,0:38:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just "sent a mail to the mailing list"
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.97,0:38:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe also for a user mailing list
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.80,0:38:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not tracking the question but only answers
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.10,0:38:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or sort like that...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.18,0:38:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, well, asking a question is not a real
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.18,0:39:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribution to Debian, but helping someone else to
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.04,0:39:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use the Debian system is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.04,0:39:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Debian contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.76,0:39:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the most important one to start with I guess
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.67,0:39:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[A] Decoding mailing lists patterns
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.53,0:39:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fairly is not
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.53,0:39:20.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easy as far as I understand
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.53,0:39:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I guess it changes from list to list
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.46,0:39:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.74,0:39:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be solved by
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.76,0:39:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adding a general mailing list
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.07,0:39:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source that only looks at time frame
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.29,0:39:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and having the translation team saying
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.34,0:39:37.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"In our mailing list
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.34,0:39:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's more semantic information that can be
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.34,0:39:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extracted"
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.31,0:39:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so make
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.31,0:39:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an extra import if
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.31,0:39:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,importer for my team that decodes
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.36,0:39:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things and put there properly
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.24,0:39:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as you can have
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.24,0:39:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many things dumping data into a bucket
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.74,0:39:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that works
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.12,0:40:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I currently have no idea
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.84,0:40:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, only vague ideas on
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.09,0:40:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.67,0:40:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the protocol to collect this data
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.14,0:40:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.86,0:40:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the central bit
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.46,0:40:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't go much further than
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.21,0:40:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having a list of urls from where I download something
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.59,0:40:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a regular basis
Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.57,0:40:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's the simplest
Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.51,0:40:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protocol to identify instead of
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.34,0:40:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,submits and whatnot
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.17,0:40:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what's in the file that gets downloaded
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.13,0:40:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be identity, initial time and final time
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.88,0:40:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then each datasource
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.40,0:40:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes a file available somewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.45,0:40:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was thinking of something
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.84,0:41:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super simple minded like that but then it's not enough
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.73,0:41:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because then if you want to look
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.97,0:41:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make a link
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.14,0:41:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing the contributions then
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.69,0:41:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well I need something
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.21,0:41:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how to
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.27,0:41:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to make this data available for collection
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.34,0:41:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the central point I'm only
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.45,0:41:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want it as simple minded
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.45,0:41:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as possible, I don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.06,0:41:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the core of this to be about data collection
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.33,0:41:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about mining
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.02,0:41:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it should just be about collecting what as been mied
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.93,0:41:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One last question?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.09,0:41:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Q] Just a thought on what you said there is a
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.50,0:41:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google Summer of Code project
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.50,0:42:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Fedmsg
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.28,0:42:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a ??? maybe to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.83,0:42:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a bus
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.83,0:42:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collecting lots of information from
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.83,0:42:10.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,various sources of information
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.83,0:42:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among those, there's already
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.96,0:42:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentors.debian.net
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.96,0:42:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I guess the BTS would be
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.21,0:42:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[A] main source? [Q] it's a source
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.62,0:42:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,???
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.20,0:42:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah but I guess it could have enough metadata
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.64,0:42:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like ???
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.22,0:42:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the software is fedmsg
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.19,0:42:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F-E-D-M-S-G
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.91,0:42:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's from Fedora and
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.66,0:42:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the summer of code student is trying to adapt it for Debian
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.35,0:42:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just a software bus
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.01,0:42:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you get lots of events from various sources
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.62,0:42:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe it could be
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.42,0:42:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assuming it goes further than this summer
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.61,0:43:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it could be an interesting use of this project
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.44,0:43:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.49,0:43:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chairman] As the mentor of this project, I agree
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.71,0:43:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.26,0:43:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, let's talk
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.53,0:43:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think the student is arriving today, so
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.08,0:43:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.43,0:43:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're out of time
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.84,0:43:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, thank you Enrico
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.23,0:43:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Enrico] We can talk about this, I plan to work on it during the DebConf
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.81,0:43:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortly, that should be Martin Ferrari coming who was also
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.19,0:43:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intending to work on a site, similar to this
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.55,0:43:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I get we should all get together
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.77,0:44:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can think of something
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.43,0:44:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and feel free to stop me to talk about this and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.65,0:44:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offer help or
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.71,0:44:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the main thing I want to do a DebConf
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.51,0:44:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to get something land before
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.51,0:44:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the end of DebConf so we can
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.51,0:44:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,present it properly
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.11,0:44:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]