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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.03,0:00:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you'll open in your \NBibles to 1 Timothy 3.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.23,0:00:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1 Timothy 3.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.23,0:00:16.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to pray again
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.27,0:00:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just asking God for His help.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.01,0:00:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Father, in the name of Jesus Christ,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.07,0:00:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, just that - help us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.22,0:00:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help me.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.46,0:00:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, You've ordained all things
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.22,0:00:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and You've ordained \Nthe means of all things.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.30,0:00:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us to look to You
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.73,0:00:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then walk in obedience to those means.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.12,0:00:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, as our brother said,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.77,0:00:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every blessing in Christ is ours,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.44,0:00:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but You've ordained that they come to us
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.34,0:00:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the means of things like prayer
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.84,0:01:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and obedience.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.71,0:01:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So help us to walk in these manners,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.41,0:01:06.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to obey You, to honor You, to look to You.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.75,0:01:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So come now and meet with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.26,0:01:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.69,0:01:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God accomplish something -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.99,0:01:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just here in this sermon,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.43,0:01:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in this conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.35,0:01:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, that You would get the credit alone;
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.76,0:01:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it could not be given \Nto the power of man;
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.31,0:01:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it could not be something that we've done,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.35,0:01:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but something that You've done\Nwhere You would get glory,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.03,0:01:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would get credit, God, in each of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.90,0:01:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank You for Christ our Savior.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.38,0:01:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In His name we pray, amen.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.99,0:01:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1 Timothy 3 -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.05,0:01:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a text we looked at yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.63,0:01:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to read again to begin us here.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.18,0:01:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Starting in v. 14.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.85,0:01:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I hope to come to you soon,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.54,0:02:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm writing these things to you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.19,0:02:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that if I delay,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.26,0:02:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may know how one ought to behave
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.17,0:02:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the household of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.48,0:02:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the church of the living God,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.33,0:02:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a pillar and buttress of truth."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.00,0:02:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We looked at that text yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.62,0:02:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we recognized this,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.51,0:02:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Scripture does give us
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.83,0:02:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,direction pointedly on how \Nwe are to behave
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.85,0:02:26.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.69,0:02:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what our roles are,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.14,0:02:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what our responsibilities are,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.89,0:02:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how we are to relate to one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.11,0:02:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you were with us last night,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.31,0:02:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we looked at the role and responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.08,0:02:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of pastors, of elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.52,0:02:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We noted first that for the church
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.51,0:02:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be functioning in order,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.59,0:02:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's necessary that they have
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.63,0:02:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pastors and elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.84,0:02:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we should be praying
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.28,0:02:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and working towards that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.19,0:03:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We noted yesterday too
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.05,0:03:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the elder, the overseer, the pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.50,0:03:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is describing the same office.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.81,0:03:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is elder, overseer, pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.98,0:03:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same office there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.38,0:03:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is describing one person
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.54,0:03:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which there are to be a plurality of.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.38,0:03:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw also yesterday that elders
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.01,0:03:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are to be biblically qualified men,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.48,0:03:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are to remain qualified.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.01,0:03:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not just that they're qualified
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.99,0:03:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they enter into or are \Nconsidered for that role,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.96,0:03:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are to remain qualified
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.68,0:03:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by having careful watch over themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.83,0:03:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We noted yesterday too that elders
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.31,0:03:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are made overseers by the Holy Spirit.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.43,0:03:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They oversee the affairs of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.79,0:03:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw also that they are called
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.04,0:03:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to collectively in the plurality of elders
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.02,0:03:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shepherd or pastor the flock of God
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.34,0:04:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is before them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.04,0:04:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we saw that they pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.97,0:04:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by knowing the sheep -
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.20,0:04:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing who these people are
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.07,0:04:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God has entrusted to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.86,0:04:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also saw that they \Nare to lead the sheep.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.31,0:04:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are to lead by example.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.23,0:04:19.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are to be an example to the sheep
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.70,0:04:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in conduct, love, faith, and purity.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.11,0:04:27.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw too that they \Nare to feed the sheep.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.93,0:04:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They feed them the whole \Ncounsel of God's Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.06,0:04:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we saw that they \Nare to protect the sheep.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.72,0:04:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we noted yesterday,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.02,0:04:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, to protect the sheep \Nfrom the outside influence
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.50,0:04:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the world coming in,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.08,0:04:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to protect the sheep from wolves
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.63,0:04:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have crept in unnoticed among us.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.45,0:04:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We noted something about \Nthose wolves yesterday -
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.91,0:04:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they seek to draw away \Ndisciples after themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.60,0:04:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have contagious personalities,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.30,0:05:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a contagious zeal,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.19,0:05:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they begin to speak twisted things
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.21,0:05:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to draw disciples away from the flock
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.45,0:05:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unto themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.67,0:05:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, today we're going to look
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.19,0:05:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at what Scripture has to say
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.64,0:05:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.72,0:05:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the congregation to their pastors.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.82,0:05:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll be in a few different \Nportions of Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.22,0:05:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm going to have \Nyou turn over one page
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.38,0:05:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to 1 Timothy 5.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.40,0:05:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1 Timothy 5.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.56,0:05:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In chapter 5, Paul is giving instruction
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.66,0:05:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.90,0:05:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, how we ought to behave
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.54,0:05:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to our relationships
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.90,0:05:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.07,0:05:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the beginning of the chapter,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.67,0:05:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he speaks about how young men
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.79,0:05:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are to relate to older men in the church;
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.99,0:05:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how they're to relate to other \Nyoung men in the church;
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.61,0:05:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how they are to relate to \Nthe sisters in the church;
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.67,0:06:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how they are to relate to older women
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.24,0:06:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.81,0:06:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In v. 3-16, he instructs us how
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.40,0:06:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are to relate to widows in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.96,0:06:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then in v. 17,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.92,0:06:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul gives instruction for Timothy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.08,0:06:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding elders, pastors, overseers.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.87,0:06:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beloved, this will not \Nbe an exhaustive look
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.93,0:06:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the congregation's responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.61,0:06:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.21,0:06:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there will be more that can be said,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.30,0:06:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but hopefully it will \Ngive us some direction
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.87,0:06:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to these things
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.44,0:06:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe quite possibly
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.17,0:06:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some correction in \Nregards to these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.76,0:06:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's look at v. 17.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.68,0:06:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul writes to Timothy,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.15,0:06:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Let the elders who rule well
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.05,0:06:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be considered worthy of double honor,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.28,0:06:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially those who labor
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.92,0:07:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the preaching and teaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.59,0:07:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the Scripture says,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.38,0:07:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'you shall not muzzle an ox
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.60,0:07:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it treads out the grain;'
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.61,0:07:10.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 'the laborer deserves his wages.'
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.83,0:07:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do not admit a charge against an elder
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.52,0:07:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except on the evidence \Nof two or three witnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.38,0:07:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for those who persist in sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.51,0:07:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rebuke them in the presence of all
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.00,0:07:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the rest may stand in fear."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.39,0:07:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, notice again here that Paul
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.80,0:07:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uses the plural.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.01,0:07:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let the "elders..."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.16,0:07:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We mentioned this yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.25,0:07:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That God's design for the church
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.28,0:07:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to have a plurality of elders -
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.43,0:07:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than one.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.23,0:07:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, I know we live in \Nthe providence of God here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.46,0:07:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we should be working towards
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.14,0:07:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the raising up of more men
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.27,0:07:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there would be more than one elder
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.26,0:07:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.74,0:07:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he continues here:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.32,0:08:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Let the elders who rule well..."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.88,0:08:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to stop there for a moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.61,0:08:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pay attention to these words.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.05,0:08:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it that the elders are to do?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.71,0:08:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are to rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.46,0:08:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are to lead.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.53,0:08:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are set over and \Npreside over the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.01,0:08:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, the affairs of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.20,0:08:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saints, this is what Scripture teaches.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.43,0:08:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is authority given here.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.66,0:08:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is order.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.10,0:08:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without authority,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.86,0:08:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without order there's chaos.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.34,0:08:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know in all of us at some level,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.24,0:08:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's at home -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.90,0:08:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe wives with husbands -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.80,0:08:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe it's in your workplace with a boss;
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.29,0:08:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe it's in a church that you've had
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.23,0:08:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an experience where you've experienced
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.39,0:09:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an abuse or a misuse of authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.07,0:09:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that can be very difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.54,0:09:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come in and then \Nhear that God has given
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.49,0:09:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authority in the church to men.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.98,0:09:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here's something important.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.45,0:09:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot allow our bad experience
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.67,0:09:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of abuse or misuse of authority,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.96,0:09:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even the potential danger
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.16,0:09:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of misuse of authority
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.97,0:09:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to remove or soften what Scripture teaches
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.22,0:09:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the role of pastors and elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.72,0:09:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beloved, this is why we have to be careful
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.91,0:09:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is an elder.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.51,0:09:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why there are qualifications given
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.11,0:09:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we're considering who \Nshould become an elder
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.13,0:09:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there is authority given here.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.50,0:09:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I thought about this struggle
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.84,0:10:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the reality that God \Nhas given authority
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.04,0:10:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to elders and pastors in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.31,0:10:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a struggle for us -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.74,0:10:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just began to think through
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.56,0:10:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are the struggles that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.60,0:10:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with authority?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.22,0:10:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought of a couple things.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.09,0:10:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One I mentioned -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.55,0:10:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of us have experienced
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.19,0:10:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an misuse or abuse of authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.50,0:10:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes us skeptical to authority;
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.74,0:10:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the idea of having someone over us.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.22,0:10:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second maybe, I know that we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.88,0:10:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.16,0:10:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are new creations in Christ -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.28,0:10:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're no longer slaves to sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.46,0:10:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we live in this suit of flesh.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.70,0:10:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are desires in the flesh.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.93,0:10:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the desire of the \Nflesh is one of autonomy.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.20,0:10:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one of self-rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.88,0:10:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one of pride.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.64,0:10:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the temptation of \Nself-governing and pride
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.59,0:10:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can lead us to believe at times:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.03,0:11:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't need anyone over me.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.25,0:11:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think being an American
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.16,0:11:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not help in this area.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.28,0:11:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The notion of America \Nis one of self-governing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.21,0:11:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as it pertains in relation to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.37,0:11:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government in our lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.24,0:11:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is some good about the concept
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.96,0:11:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of "we the people" - self-governing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.86,0:11:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you can't take the notion
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.61,0:11:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of American thought and way and culture
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.98,0:11:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to government
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.52,0:11:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then allow that to have you
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.66,0:11:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be resistant within the church
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.43,0:11:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to those who God has given to be over you.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.89,0:11:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In addition to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.15,0:11:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you remember maybe 20 some odd years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.31,0:11:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a major shift when some men
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.64,0:11:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who hold the title of elder or pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.89,0:11:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decided that they needed to think
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.79,0:11:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of new and innovative ways
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.45,0:11:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to grow the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.04,0:12:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what they did is they went to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.62,0:12:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secular marketing business gurus.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.51,0:12:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said how can we grow
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.94,0:12:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number of people?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.86,0:12:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they got secular marketing plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.92,0:12:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they brought them into their churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.23,0:12:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they came up with the notion
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.75,0:12:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what many have referred to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.62,0:12:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the seeker-friendly movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.79,0:12:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An attempt through carnal means
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.89,0:12:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put people in the seats
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.28,0:12:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get the machine rolling.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.02,0:12:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know us sitting here - I imagine,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.83,0:12:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of you if not all of you,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.89,0:12:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we looked at that and we stand
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.55,0:12:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in resistance to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.90,0:12:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that's not God's means
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.37,0:12:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of growing the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.52,0:12:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He grows the church supernaturally
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.53,0:12:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the proclamation of the Gospel,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.49,0:12:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regenerating people and drawing them
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.55,0:12:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.60,0:12:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's how God grows the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.61,0:12:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have to be honest as well
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.61,0:12:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this notion - maybe many of you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.59,0:12:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were in some of these churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.55,0:12:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of the people \Nin our church in Dallas
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.79,0:13:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came out of those churches
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.95,0:13:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's residue that's left on them
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.22,0:13:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from coming out of those churches
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.92,0:13:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has to be undone.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.16,0:13:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened during that time
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.89,0:13:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is we had what's called maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.72,0:13:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a consumer mentality to the local church,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.32,0:13:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the church was marketed to people;
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.61,0:13:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people went out and asked people:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.88,0:13:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, what is it that you are looking for?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.22,0:13:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they asked unbelievers,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.76,0:13:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is it that you would \Nlike to see in the church?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.26,0:13:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they began to create those things
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.26,0:13:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and draw people in through \Nthose carnal means
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.85,0:13:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they realized,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.12,0:13:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to continue in those carnal means
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.16,0:13:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to keep these \Nunregenerate people here
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.47,0:13:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can keep the machine running.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.38,0:13:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what happened in all of that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.02,0:13:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bled maybe into some \Nof our churches unknowingly
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.61,0:13:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this consumer mentality of the church
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.51,0:13:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the church is here for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.92,0:13:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's to meet my needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.35,0:13:53.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the moment that the church
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.100,0:13:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't meet my needs
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.43,0:13:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or do it the way I want,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.10,0:14:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I'll just go to the next \Nchurch down the street.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.71,0:14:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so people, you can hear
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.11,0:14:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even how they talk when they come
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.74,0:14:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the churches sometimes
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.21,0:14:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you begin to talk with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.81,0:14:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they talk about using shopping terms
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.25,0:14:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they're looking for the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.58,0:14:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what people do today.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.36,0:14:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They shop for churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.10,0:14:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, who's going to best meet my needs?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.87,0:14:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we need to be honest,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.18,0:14:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we've come out of that environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.16,0:14:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of that has stayed with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.72,0:14:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it can make us resistant,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.63,0:14:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if I come to you and say
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.42,0:14:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to market this to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.19,0:14:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I don't do \Nthings the way you want,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.21,0:14:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just say fine, we'll leave \Nand go somewhere else.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.55,0:14:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I see that as bled into \Nmany of our churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.68,0:14:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's impacting our understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.90,0:14:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how we're to relate to one another
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.53,0:14:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because maybe for some of you for so long,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.51,0:14:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the "pastors" that you sat under
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.86,0:14:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just marketed to you to meet your needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.13,0:14:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when you come under
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.52,0:15:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a biblical eldership,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.73,0:15:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's mindful of the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.40,0:15:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're looking to the Word,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.45,0:15:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they strive to be faithful and govern
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.53,0:15:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the Word,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.44,0:15:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you may disagree,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.48,0:15:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they don't change their mind
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.42,0:15:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to meet your needs \Nor your preferences.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.79,0:15:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you have a consumer mentality
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.07,0:15:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.26,0:15:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just go to the next one then.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.58,0:15:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another reason that this \Ncould be hard for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.15,0:15:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just need to be honest here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.88,0:15:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pastors are imperfect people.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.71,0:15:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They make bad decisions sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.62,0:15:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're going to get into this
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.23,0:15:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit more in depth
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.48,0:15:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to flesh this out \Nas we go through this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.03,0:15:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if they are called to rule,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.70,0:16:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,govern the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.88,0:16:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there will be times when you disagree
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.22,0:16:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with your pastors
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.51,0:16:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the decisions that they've made.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.02,0:16:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to ask Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.94,0:16:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are we to do about that?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.62,0:16:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are we supposed to do
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.88,0:16:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they don't do things the way I think
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.84,0:16:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they should be done?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.53,0:16:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So hopefully we can find
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.45,0:16:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the Scriptures speak to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.01,0:16:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's continue in v. 17.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.61,0:16:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Let the elders who rule well
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.27,0:16:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be considered worthy of double honor,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.36,0:16:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially those who labor
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.32,0:16:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in preaching and teaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.27,0:16:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the Scripture says,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.98,0:16:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'you shall not muzzle an ox
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.28,0:16:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it treads out the grain;'
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.99,0:16:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, 'the laborer deserves his wages.'"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.82,0:16:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does Paul mean when he says here:
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.54,0:16:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"be considered worthy of double honor"?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.66,0:16:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think he has at least \Ntwo things in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.65,0:16:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is the valuing,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.54,0:17:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the esteeming of elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.46,0:17:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Holding them in high regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.52,0:17:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second is dealing with \Nfinancially supporting them.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.99,0:17:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's talk about this first one.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.88,0:17:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The honoring of elders by \Nholding them in high regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.95,0:17:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul says something very similar
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.69,0:17:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the church in Thessalonica.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.30,0:17:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me read 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.91,0:17:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you see if you hear a parallel
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.05,0:17:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this call to honoring.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.20,0:17:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He writes, "We ask you, brothers,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.91,0:17:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respect those who labor among you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.37,0:17:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are over you in the Lord
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.90,0:17:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and admonish you,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.91,0:17:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to esteem them very highly in love
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.64,0:17:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of their work."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.01,0:18:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you notice the reason
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.06,0:18:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are to honor your pastors?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.18,0:18:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you notice the reason you are
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.77,0:18:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respect them? To esteem them?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.19,0:18:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And look at the words:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.30,0:18:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"very highly in love."
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.44,0:18:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it because you agree with them
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.38,0:18:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at every step and turn they make?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.33,0:18:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.04,0:18:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does Paul tell you here to show honor,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.90,0:18:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respect, to esteem your pastors?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.82,0:18:27.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of their work. That's why.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.59,0:18:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul holds the work, the role,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.13,0:18:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the responsibility that pastors have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.01,0:18:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a high regard;
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.08,0:18:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a very vital and essential aspect
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.61,0:18:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.97,0:18:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because of that work,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.18,0:18:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says I want you to honor \Nthem and esteem them.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.04,0:18:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not because you agree \Nat every turn they make.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.89,0:18:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just because of the work that they do.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.05,0:18:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me tell you what Paul's not saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.75,0:18:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul is not saying that you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.40,0:18:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the individual church member
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.21,0:19:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get to decide how well you \Nthink your pastors are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.68,0:19:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their ruling, in their being over you,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.34,0:19:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then if you don't agree with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.23,0:19:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't have to show them honor.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.16,0:19:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not what he's calling you to.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.72,0:19:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's stating a fact that they are called
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.94,0:19:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to rule, to oversee.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.66,0:19:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says I want you to honor them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.82,0:19:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want you to respect them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.62,0:19:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the work that they do.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.73,0:19:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul is telling Timothy
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.80,0:19:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the churches to recognize
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.69,0:19:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God has put these men over you
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.97,0:19:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.44,0:19:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And notice I didn't say \N"in between" you and the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.40,0:19:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not a mediator.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.17,0:19:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not the Catholic church notion.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.05,0:19:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay? God in His love and His kindness
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.30,0:19:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has put men over the church -
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.65,0:19:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under-shepherds.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.94,0:19:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not in between you and the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.73,0:19:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't go through your \Npastor to get to God - none of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.14,0:19:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But over you in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.08,0:19:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is one Mediator in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.43,0:20:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the Lord Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.78,0:20:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what do we do when \Nthese men are imperfect?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.15,0:20:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have faults.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.38,0:20:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have weaknesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.19,0:20:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we don't always agree \Nwith their decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.85,0:20:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or their rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.95,0:20:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Typically I hear the argument
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.33,0:20:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this area of this:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.81,0:20:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you asking us to just \Nblindly follow these men then?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.31,0:20:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you asking us just to \Nblindly follow these men?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.28,0:20:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Paul would say to you: No.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.88,0:20:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I am in no way telling \Nyou to blindly follow men.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.45,0:20:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we do need to see the role
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.90,0:20:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have of ruling;
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.83,0:20:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being over you in \Nthe affairs of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.41,0:21:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll tell you this,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.59,0:21:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may be looking at me right now
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.33,0:21:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying, we'll, you're a pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.84,0:21:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it sounds like I'm \Nmaking a power grab.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.06,0:21:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can say this for one time,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.93,0:21:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thankfully none of you are in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.00,0:21:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.47,0:21:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not one person here is in \Nthe church that I pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.55,0:21:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in regards to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.31,0:21:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no personal gain
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.43,0:21:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in sharing these things with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.05,0:21:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't get anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.67,0:21:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you say, okay, we're going \Nto honor our pastors -
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.83,0:21:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personally it doesn't impact me
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.88,0:21:38.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church that I pastor in Dallas.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.74,0:21:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want you to know this,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.91,0:21:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a pastor and of the pastors here,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.48,0:21:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to put these things
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.73,0:21:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before your people in your church.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.67,0:21:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because who else is going \Nto teach them these things?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.46,0:21:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not many people will get up \Nand teach these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.70,0:21:59.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Preaching these things in your own church
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.97,0:22:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does sound self-motivated,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.43,0:22:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will not apologize for what it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.69,0:22:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're looking at God's Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.62,0:22:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're looking at multiple \Nplaces in Scripture -
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.09,0:22:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not an obscure passage.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.85,0:22:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Multiple places in Scripture
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.69,0:22:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that speak to the role,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.13,0:22:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the authority, and the rule
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.17,0:22:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of elders within the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.85,0:22:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sharing these things with you
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.52,0:22:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is God's Word
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.07,0:22:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because as you obey these things
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.01,0:22:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and submit to these truths,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.49,0:22:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it goes well for you in your church.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.95,0:22:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm speaking these things to you
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.64,0:22:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your edification and for the health
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.87,0:22:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your local church,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.26,0:22:49.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ultimately then for the glory of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.03,0:22:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we'll speak more about what do we do
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.03,0:22:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we disagree here \Nin just a few moments.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.34,0:22:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pastors, let me share \Nthis with you though.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.99,0:22:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have any fear about getting up
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.93,0:23:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in front of your church
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.82,0:23:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sharing these truths with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.99,0:23:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to know this.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.82,0:23:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will gladly receive them
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.17,0:23:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they see that you love them.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.72,0:23:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's through our serving the saints
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.28,0:23:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they may be tempted in a moment
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.38,0:23:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to think this is self-serving;\Nthis is a power grab of our pastor,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.21,0:23:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you are sitting \Nthere laboring with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.67,0:23:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,praying with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.93,0:23:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting across tables with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.71,0:23:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrating your love with them,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.87,0:23:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they'll humble themselves in these moments
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.07,0:23:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they won't perceive it as a power grab
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.24,0:23:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you teach them God's Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.96,0:23:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, Paul goes on in regards to honor.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.35,0:23:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said not only should this mean
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.21,0:23:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,respect for the role that they have,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.58,0:23:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the job that they do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.34,0:23:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he is speaking also \Nof financial support.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.64,0:23:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you notice here that he says:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.39,0:23:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"especially those who labor
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.89,0:23:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the preaching and \Nteaching of the Word."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.76,0:24:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul's argument for \Nfinancially supporting
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.53,0:24:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the pastors is tied to \NOld Testament texts.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.77,0:24:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's tied to Deuteronomy 25
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.90,0:24:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Leviticus 19.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.48,0:24:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You shall not muzzle the ox \Nwhen it treads out the grain."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.38,0:24:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And "the laborer deserves his wages."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.21,0:24:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul fleshes this out if you \Nwant to study it more
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.64,0:24:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 1 Corinthians 9.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.96,0:24:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Paul so values the role of pastors
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.81,0:24:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and particularly within the eldership
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.84,0:24:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the plurality, those who are given
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.24,0:24:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the preaching and teaching of the Word
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.19,0:24:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he says whenever it's possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.75,0:24:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working towards this end,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.41,0:24:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you should set that person apart
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.90,0:24:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the ministry of the Word and prayer.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.46,0:24:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beloved, let me ask you this:
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.08,0:24:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think about \Nthat when you're giving?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.92,0:24:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is of value for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.16,0:24:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that sometimes that's \Nnot a possibility in the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.52,0:24:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think most of us \Nhere who are pastoring
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.82,0:25:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably were bi-vocational.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.26,0:25:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I worked bi-vocationally for 8 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.63,0:25:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want you to know it was so hard
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.90,0:25:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on me and my family.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.72,0:25:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it also wasn't good for the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.04,0:25:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, we live in the \Nprovidence of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.51,0:25:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to the degree that we're able,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.60,0:25:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be giving so we can
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.16,0:25:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set these men apart - \Nespecially those who labor
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.56,0:25:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the preaching and teaching of the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.61,0:25:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Set them apart so they can be
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.33,0:25:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully devoted to these things
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.95,0:25:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the building up of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.04,0:25:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you'll see very often
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.88,0:25:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he differentiates here
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.76,0:25:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among the plurality,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.76,0:25:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you will see within the plurality,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.62,0:25:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of them need to be able to teach,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.62,0:25:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you'll see very often \Nwhere there will be
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.96,0:25:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one or two of those elders just set apart
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.60,0:26:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the preaching and \Nteaching of the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.92,0:26:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you recognize that,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.64,0:26:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strive to set those people apart
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.76,0:26:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by supporting them financially
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.02,0:26:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they can fulfill this call.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.77,0:26:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the ones who are set apart,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.31,0:26:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember this, within the plurality though
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.50,0:26:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a co-equal shepherding.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.42,0:26:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just because one is given
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.71,0:26:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the preaching and teaching of the Word,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.81,0:26:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it does not mean that \Nhe's a senior pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.62,0:26:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are pastors.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.67,0:26:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no levels here.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.67,0:26:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're co-equals.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.01,0:26:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They shepherd collectively together.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.34,0:26:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some of them within the co-equal
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.77,0:26:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are given to the preaching \Nand teaching of the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.42,0:26:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So far we've seen that \Nelders are called to rule;
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.43,0:26:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to preside over the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.83,0:26:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The congregation is to see that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.41,0:26:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to honor that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.19,0:26:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're to respect the elders
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.82,0:26:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to esteem them highly in love
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.84,0:27:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of their role.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.15,0:27:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're to provide for \Nthe elders in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.55,0:27:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material as they feed you spiritual.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.28,0:27:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially those who are given
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.29,0:27:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the preaching and teaching of the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.54,0:27:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beloved, any true pastor is not in this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.15,0:27:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for greedy gain.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.42,0:27:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peter warns about that in 1 Peter 5.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.76,0:27:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me share this too though.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.90,0:27:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard this notion - again,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.90,0:27:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you aren't in the church I pastor,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.06,0:27:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so remember, I don't have \Na motive for you here personally.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.09,0:27:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Keeping your pastor poor is not holy.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.94,0:27:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's this notion: if we pay our pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.91,0:28:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this much money, he'll be \Nin it for the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.60,0:28:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he's in it for the money, \Nhe's disqualified.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.00,0:28:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one's going into this calling
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.66,0:28:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for material gain,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.40,0:28:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but don't go into it with
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.22,0:28:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a monastic mentality.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.72,0:28:19.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just keep them poor. \NIt will keep them holy.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.65,0:28:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not advocating to \Nmake him rich either.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.08,0:28:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But don't ask this man
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.73,0:28:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the least amount of money
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.64,0:28:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could possibly humanly survive on?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.43,0:28:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then give him that amount.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.91,0:28:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't treat anyone else like that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.69,0:28:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't treat yourself like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.94,0:28:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be mindful of your pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.84,0:28:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give him enough money
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.86,0:28:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he can be an example \Nin his own giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.18,0:28:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.65,0:28:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He needs to lead in all ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.04,0:28:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He should be an example to the church
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.08,0:28:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his own giving to the church
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.70,0:28:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to missions.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.74,0:28:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you've said, well,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.16,0:28:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the least amount you can live by.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.45,0:29:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll give him $10 over that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.23,0:29:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How is he to lead then \Nin the example of giving?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.28,0:29:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be mindful of your pastor in these ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.95,0:29:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's look at v. 19.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.97,0:29:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This might be one of \Nthe most important parts
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.12,0:29:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about your relationship to your pastors.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.84,0:29:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul tells Timothy in v. 19,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.25,0:29:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do not admit a charge against an elder
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.33,0:29:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except on the evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.100,0:29:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of two or three witnesses."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.05,0:29:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The NASB renders it,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.96,0:29:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do not receive an accusation..."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.40,0:29:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The NIV says, "Do not even entertain
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.79,0:29:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an accusation except on the account
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.53,0:29:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of two or three witnesses."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.64,0:29:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul seems to understand something.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.96,0:29:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As people struggle with this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.18,0:30:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of elders being over the church
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.10,0:30:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the resistance to that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.49,0:30:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is often within the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.33,0:30:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul recognizes that one of the ways
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.94,0:30:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people might try to deal
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.17,0:30:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an elder's decision they don't like
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.40,0:30:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is by lobbing an accusation against them.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.27,0:30:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Paul's telling Timothy here -
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.90,0:30:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember Timothy is acting as an elder
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.98,0:30:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this church right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.86,0:30:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's telling Timothy,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.08,0:30:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hey, when you're in there
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.56,0:30:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have these elders with you,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.36,0:30:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't receive; don't even entertain
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.34,0:30:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an accusation against the elders
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.55,0:30:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless it's on the account of \Ntwo or three witnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.61,0:30:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul's trying to protect the elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.93,0:30:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not because elders don't \Nneed accountability.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.21,0:30:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They do.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.85,0:30:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There again's another \Nreason for the plurality.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.67,0:30:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And not because they're \Nnot capable of sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.37,0:30:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.78,0:31:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, we'll see in the next verse
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.63,0:31:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how he deals with elders who are in sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.98,0:31:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Paul seems to recognize
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.54,0:31:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there will be many accusations
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.80,0:31:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made against elders or an elder
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.12,0:31:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.44,0:31:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's telling Timothy \Nhow to handle this.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.48,0:31:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How to handle it when people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.02,0:31:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't agree with the elders
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.23,0:31:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then begin to make \Naccusations against them.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.06,0:31:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul is not saying that if \Nyou have an accusation -
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.50,0:31:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you become aware of sin against an elder,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.22,0:31:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you shouldn't do anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.02,0:31:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's not saying that.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.75,0:31:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember again, Paul's \Nfunctioning as an elder.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.81,0:31:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if someone in the church there
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.85,0:31:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw or heard of something
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.59,0:31:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to an elder being in sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.75,0:31:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're to go to Paul
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.21,0:31:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bring that accusation \Nto the other elder.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.60,0:31:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what Paul is telling Timothy here
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.96,0:31:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is but do not entertain it;
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.48,0:31:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't consider it until there's \Ntwo or three witnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.74,0:32:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me tell you what that does not mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.31,0:32:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That does not mean that if someone
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.02,0:32:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has an accusation against an elder,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.10,0:32:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are to go out then
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.70,0:32:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find other church members
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.77,0:32:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and share with them their understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.25,0:32:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the issue they have with the elder
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.37,0:32:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they can get two or three witnesses
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.84,0:32:19.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they can go in and present
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.59,0:32:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their case against the elder.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.30,0:32:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not what it means.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.43,0:32:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What he means here is that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.90,0:32:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when sin becomes public to someone,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.64,0:32:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they go to an elder in the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.03,0:32:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that elder hears it. He listens.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.43,0:32:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He begins to pray.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.07,0:32:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when somebody else -
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.72,0:32:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not because they've come together
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.78,0:32:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some plan -
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.29,0:32:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when someone else,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.45,0:32:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God brings that sin to the surface,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.38,0:32:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they become aware of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.81,0:32:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they go to the elder as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.58,0:32:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we have two people coming
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.38,0:32:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as witnesses in regards to an accusation.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.38,0:32:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Paul says in the next verse,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.18,0:32:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you deal with that swiftly
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.83,0:33:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you deal with that publicly then.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.53,0:33:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a principle \Nhere for all of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.88,0:33:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If Timothy is not to entertain or admit
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.40,0:33:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a charge against an elder,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.17,0:33:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except on the evidence \Nof two or three witnesses,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.74,0:33:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think there's a \Nprinciple for us in there?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.59,0:33:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me tell you the principle I think
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.38,0:33:28.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is in there for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.100,0:33:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When someone begins to disagree
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.92,0:33:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an elder or decisions \Nthat the elders have made,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.91,0:33:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may not run around and claim
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.58,0:33:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sin against the elder upright.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.02,0:33:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But very often, what we see happening
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.08,0:33:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they do begin \Nto go to other members
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.72,0:33:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.51,0:33:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and subtly begin to make accusations
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.27,0:33:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the elder or the elders
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.93,0:34:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they disagree.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.60,0:34:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if Paul tells Timothy
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.22,0:34:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not entertain an accusation
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.09,0:34:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the elders except on the evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.23,0:34:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of two or three witnesses,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.82,0:34:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what should that look like for you?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.99,0:34:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When someone in the church comes to you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.88,0:34:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inevitably they present this to you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.33,0:34:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as great concern they \Nhave for the church -
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.78,0:34:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got great concern \Nfor the church right now
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.63,0:34:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to come to you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.91,0:34:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding this elder and this decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.41,0:34:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the elders and the decision,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.92,0:34:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the elders are what they're saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.26,0:34:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you not in that moment entertaining
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.66,0:34:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an accusation against the elders?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.49,0:34:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think of what that means: to entertain.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.66,0:34:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To consider the accusations.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.06,0:34:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We disagree with the elders in this area
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.56,0:35:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and here's why.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.81,0:35:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that a church member's responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.98,0:35:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to other church members?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.15,0:35:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.25,0:35:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not a church \Nmember's responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.64,0:35:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to other church members.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.43,0:35:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not to go and present
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.09,0:35:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your disagreements with the elders
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.04,0:35:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to other church members to gather a coup.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.02,0:35:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not your role.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.96,0:35:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would guess many \Nof you are not doing that -
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.45,0:35:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hopefully none of you are,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.08,0:35:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one thing I want to \Nwarn you to be careful of:
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.85,0:35:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you on the receiving \Nend of that though?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.63,0:35:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you on the entertaining end of that?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.27,0:35:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where someone in the \Nchurch has a disagreement
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.73,0:35:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the elders and they come to you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.29,0:35:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they say,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.32,0:35:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, I don't know if I agree with \Nthe elders in this area then."
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.49,0:35:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you sit down and you \Nbegin to entertain these things?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.37,0:35:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I tell you what's \Nhappening when you do that?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.13,0:35:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're allowing an undermining -
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.04,0:36:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a seed to be planted in \Nyou regarding the elders -
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.01,0:36:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it will create a lens for you
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.82,0:36:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through which you will \Nbegin to look at everything
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.23,0:36:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your elders do in light of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.13,0:36:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It creates division in the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.99,0:36:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Entertaining accusations \Nagainst the elders.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.04,0:36:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you begin to talk like this,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.00,0:36:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people get concerned because they say
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.60,0:36:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what if the pastors are asking us
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.88,0:36:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to clearly go against Scripture?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.23,0:36:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we just supposed to sit quietly by
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.32,0:36:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do nothing?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.50,0:36:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.80,0:36:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want to be honest with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.84,0:36:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In these scenarios,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.80,0:36:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most part,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.98,0:36:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the issues that are brought up
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.78,0:36:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not when a pastor or pastors
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.73,0:36:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are asking you to disregard Scripture.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.30,0:37:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're most likely not telling you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.32,0:37:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are other paths
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.14,0:37:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.86,0:37:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're usually not dealing with
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.41,0:37:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the person or the nature of Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.64,0:37:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually when these things arise
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.68,0:37:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're dealing in other matters.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.17,0:37:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually it's in areas \Nwhere we may disagree
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.60,0:37:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the ways that pastors \Nhave made a decision.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.78,0:37:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or it's another what we might call
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.34,0:37:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a secondary issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.81,0:37:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A non-salvific issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.23,0:37:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where you hold to a \Ndifferent understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.12,0:37:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or even more likely - a preference.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.41,0:37:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How we do things in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.33,0:37:41.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we disagree with.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.77,0:37:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And saints, I want you \Nto have healthy churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.01,0:37:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's usually in these areas
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.73,0:37:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I find people going \Naround and saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.18,0:37:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I really need to share with you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.18,0:37:54.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I disagree with \Nthe elders in this area,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.58,0:37:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why I think they're \Ndoing this wrong,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.55,0:37:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why I think they're wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.60,0:38:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we sit very often and begin \Nto entertain these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.26,0:38:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have an issue where you believe
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.22,0:38:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your pastor is leading you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.51,0:38:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or your pastors are leading you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.06,0:38:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contrary to the Word of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.71,0:38:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to go to your pastors.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.96,0:38:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to do it in a spirit of humility
Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.55,0:38:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are over you in the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.32,0:38:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you need to share with them
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.86,0:38:24.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why you disagree with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.43,0:38:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, most of what I \Nsee happening out there
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.47,0:38:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not in regards to a pastor telling you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.94,0:38:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to disregard Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.72,0:38:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to forsake something \NGod's told you to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.24,0:38:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the time it's in regards to:
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.99,0:38:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just disagree with the elders here.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.68,0:38:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are the elders not accountable then?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.11,0:38:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do we do if an \Nelder does persist in sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.78,0:38:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at v. 20.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.35,0:39:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"As those who persist in sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.34,0:39:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rebuke them in the presence of all
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.24,0:39:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that the rest may stand in fear."
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.09,0:39:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listen, when elders and pastors are in sin
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.83,0:39:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are dealt with very quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.47,0:39:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're dealt with publicly.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.60,0:39:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When elders are in sin and presiding
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.37,0:39:24.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and continuing in sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.100,0:39:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it goes before the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.87,0:39:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God uses it redemptively
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.60,0:39:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to bring fear into the church
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.49,0:39:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how serious sin is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.34,0:39:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.93,0:39:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elders are under accountability.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.72,0:39:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're accountable to God.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.03,0:39:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're accountable to the Scriptures.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.88,0:39:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in that sense, they are accountable
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.76,0:39:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the congregation.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.02,0:39:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're accountable to \Nthe other elders there.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.44,0:39:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God's not allowing pastors
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.34,0:39:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to not be under accountability here.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.17,0:40:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He deals with sin in pastors very quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.24,0:40:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to turn to one \Nother portion of Scripture.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.77,0:40:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's in the book of Hebrews.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.32,0:40:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We looked at this verse yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.42,0:40:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hebrews 13:17.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.36,0:40:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you'll turn there with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.55,0:40:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One more verse.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.67,0:40:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The writer says here,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.88,0:40:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Obey your leaders
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.28,0:40:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and submit to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.48,0:40:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for (here's the reason)
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.82,0:40:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're keeping watch over your souls
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.07,0:40:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as those who will give an account.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.36,0:40:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let them do this with joy
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.49,0:40:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not with groaning,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.22,0:40:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that would be of no advantage to you."
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.69,0:40:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obey your elders. Obey your leaders
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.58,0:41:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and submit to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.48,0:41:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.68,0:41:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obey them and submit to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.14,0:41:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.10,0:41:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're keeping watch over your soul
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.92,0:41:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're going to give an account.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.35,0:41:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The author is not calling \Nyou to blind obedience.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.42,0:41:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If an elder calls you \Nto disregard Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:27.36,0:41:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you should obey God rather than man.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.41,0:41:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, when we're dealing with
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.48,0:41:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,differences of preference;
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.04,0:41:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we're dealing with \Na different understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.78,0:41:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of maybe a portion of Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.71,0:41:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are you to do?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.38,0:41:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do when the \Nelders make a decision
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.09,0:42:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I disagree with?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.68,0:42:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When if I'm being honest, \Nthey're not asking
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.82,0:42:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me to disregard Scripture, \Nbut I just see it a different way.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.00,0:42:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How we should live this out.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.46,0:42:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does he call us to?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.15,0:42:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Submission.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.80,0:42:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't mean you fully agree
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.53,0:42:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with what the elders have decided.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.35,0:42:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means you recognize the place
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.29,0:42:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God has given them \Nin their local church.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.72,0:42:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as they're striving to pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.45,0:42:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in accordance with Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.88,0:42:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may disagree with something.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.60,0:42:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do when I disagree?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.42,0:42:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You submit.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.67,0:42:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me share something \Nthat is kind of hard for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.69,0:42:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Submission is not \Ndemonstrated when you agree.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.62,0:43:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Submission is most \Ndemonstrated when you disagree.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.94,0:43:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When God calls you to submit to Him,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.41,0:43:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul seems to think one of the ways
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.55,0:43:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you demonstrate \Nyour submission to God
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.60,0:43:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is by demonstrating your submission
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.89,0:43:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the authority that \NHe's put in your life.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.41,0:43:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the book of Ephesians,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.70,0:43:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he seems to say something like this:
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.96,0:43:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you submitted to God?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.30,0:43:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, yes, I am.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.72,0:43:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, then, wives, show that submission
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.97,0:43:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you submit to your husband
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.51,0:43:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who I've put over you.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.91,0:43:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if I don't agree with my husband?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.37,0:43:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You submit.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.36,0:43:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, if your husband asks you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.38,0:43:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to forsake the Bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.71,0:43:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you obey God rather than man.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.30,0:43:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've dealt with that.\NThis isn't blind submission.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.11,0:43:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's be honest, most of our struggles
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.22,0:44:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with submission is not \Nbecause our parents,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:03.02,0:44:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our husbands, our governing authorities
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.04,0:44:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are telling us to turn away \Nand forsake Scripture.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.31,0:44:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's because we've come \Nto a place of disagreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.87,0:44:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what does that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.05,0:44:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That when there's a place of disagreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:14.31,0:44:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we recognize the order, the structure
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.66,0:44:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God has put into place.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.81,0:44:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, I'm submitted to You,\NI just can't submit to my husband.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.00,0:44:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does 1 Peter 3 say?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.68,0:44:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when some don't obey the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.16,0:44:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, I'm submitted to You,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.15,0:44:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but my parents... \NI just disagree with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.17,0:44:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't submit.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.89,0:44:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children, you demonstrate \Nyour submission to God
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.93,0:44:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your submission to your parents.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.56,0:44:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One brother working through this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.92,0:44:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of submission in regards to your pastors
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.54,0:44:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave an illustration I found very helpful.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.88,0:45:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said something to this effect:
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.18,0:45:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In your struggle to submit \Nto imperfect elders
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.04,0:45:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you don't always agree,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.28,0:45:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I was your pastor, \Nlet me ask you a question.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.54,0:45:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you want me to tell
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.09,0:45:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your rebellious teenager
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.69,0:45:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they come sit down with me?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.30,0:45:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they say to me:
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.81,0:45:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pastor, I don't agree with my parents.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.68,0:45:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I have to submit to them?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.52,0:45:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you want your pastor
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.80,0:45:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling your teenager
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.50,0:45:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they don't agree with you?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.17,0:45:42.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should they submit?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.08,0:45:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a good pastor would \Nsay to that teenager this:
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.31,0:45:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your parents ask you to \Ndisregard clear Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.35,0:45:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you obey God rather than man.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.85,0:45:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you come to a \Nplace of disagreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.21,0:46:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you submit and demonstrate \Nyour submission to God
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.08,0:46:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you submit to your parents.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.17,0:46:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't want a pastor \Ntelling your teenager:
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.02,0:46:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hey, only submit to your parents
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.32,0:46:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you agree with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.66,0:46:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise, you're free to do \Nwhatever you want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.64,0:46:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not the idea of an order.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.36,0:46:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's the notion \Ngiven here in Hebrews.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.73,0:46:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Submit to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.15,0:46:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Submit to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.53,0:46:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The writer then says this at the end:
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.42,0:46:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Let those who watch over you
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.91,0:46:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do this with joy and not with groaning,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.93,0:46:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that would be of no advantage to you."
Dialogue: 0,0:46:47.26,0:46:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you see how he reasons with us?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.68,0:46:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't you realize that when you disagree
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.43,0:46:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with someone that God has placed
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.19,0:46:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in authority over you and you refuse
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.12,0:47:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to obey and submit to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.38,0:47:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you're actually making \Nit harder on yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.62,0:47:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When pastors are having to deal
Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.47,0:47:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people who refuse to submit to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:17.32,0:47:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're often taken away
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.12,0:47:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the ministry of the Word and prayer
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.76,0:47:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be of benefit \Nto that very person
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.96,0:47:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who refuses to acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.54,0:47:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the order that God has given.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.78,0:47:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It distracts from the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.48,0:47:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes away from the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.42,0:47:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes away from the joy of pastoring.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.100,0:47:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we as pastors, this is something
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.77,0:47:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to go through.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:41.28,0:47:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We understand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.50,0:47:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we lay our lives \Ndown for these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.94,0:47:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the writer here \Nwants to reason with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.50,0:47:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you don't acknowledge God's order,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.76,0:47:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it goes worse for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.25,0:47:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not going to agree with everything
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.35,0:47:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your pastors do.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.96,0:48:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in summary, if they're asking you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.98,0:48:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to disobey and disregard
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.63,0:48:06.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear teachings in Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.99,0:48:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you obey God rather than man.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.18,0:48:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when they make decisions,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.87,0:48:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrive at different conclusions
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.76,0:48:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you do in Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.73,0:48:18.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not your job to go around the church
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.77,0:48:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to persuade others
Dialogue: 0,0:48:20.43,0:48:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why your pastors are wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.71,0:48:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why you're right.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.46,0:48:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're not to be on the receiving end
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.97,0:48:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.68,0:48:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the principle we learned
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.07,0:48:34.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of entertaining those things.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.23,0:48:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saints, there's an order \Nthat God has given us
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.59,0:48:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.16,0:48:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's for our good.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.34,0:48:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pray for your pastors as \Nthey make these decisions.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.19,0:48:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you disagree, it's \Nokay to go talk with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:48.20,0:48:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not okay to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.97,0:48:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I'm not going to submit.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.05,0:48:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not your role.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:54.98,0:48:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your role is one of submission.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:57.36,0:48:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want what's best for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.32,0:49:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I won't apologize
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.07,0:49:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the clear teachings \Nin Scripture in this area.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.16,0:49:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm going to exhort \Nthe pastors here again
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.57,0:49:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before we close.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.50,0:49:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to be putting these things
Dialogue: 0,0:49:11.50,0:49:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before our people regularly.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.75,0:49:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's regularly in Scripture.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:17.63,0:49:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's uncomfortable in your own church
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.92,0:49:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to preach and teach these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.96,0:49:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's not be men that apologize
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.61,0:49:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Word of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.77,0:49:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's pray.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.59,0:49:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Father, we come in the \Nname of Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.82,0:49:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Father, we want to honor Your Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:45.14,0:49:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Father, we want to fulfill our roles
Dialogue: 0,0:49:47.37,0:49:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our call.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.72,0:49:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to be faithful
Dialogue: 0,0:49:52.39,0:49:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in how we relate to one another
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.28,0:49:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because You've given \Nthese things for our good.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:57.62,0:49:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God, help pastors to be faithful.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.82,0:50:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help them to be men of the Word.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.85,0:50:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help them to not be domineering
Dialogue: 0,0:50:03.93,0:50:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lording over people.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.42,0:50:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But help them also not \Nto shy away from leading,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.32,0:50:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which involves making hard decisions.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.71,0:50:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help Your people then, God, to honor
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.69,0:50:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the role that You've given them
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.73,0:50:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to submit even in some \Nareas of disagreement, God.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.54,0:50:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To honor You as they submit to those
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.57,0:50:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've put over them.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.07,0:50:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us to demonstrate \Nour love and honor to You
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.94,0:50:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we demonstrate our submission to those
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.09,0:50:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've put over us.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.95,0:50:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the good of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.02,0:50:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the edification of the church.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.62,0:50:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the glory of Your name
Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.07,0:50:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in these places.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.00,0:50:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We ask these things in \Nthe name of Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.41,0:50:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amen.