WEBVTT 00:00:00.067 --> 00:00:04.067 This week, the National Coordinator for Counterterrorism raised alarm. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The corona crisis increases distrust in government, science, the press. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It is exacerbated by conspiracy theories and misinformation, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 says the National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Safety." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Yes, distrust in the government. Not like: 'Let's see about that, your excellency!'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 No, nowadays people go to The Hague to engage in dialogue like this: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Rutte piss off!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Do you always betray everybody? Do you always betray the people?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Is it OK to betray the people?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 What is this MP supposed to say now? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'Is it normal that I betray the people? Hmm, e-mail me and I'll take a look.' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Speaker of the House Arib also notices the situation getting worse 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "At several meetings, we could not leave through the main exit as it was unsafe, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and had to be escorted via other exits. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That explains why I saw Wouter Koolmees crawling out of a store's fitting room. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Members of Parliament can't use the main entrance because of these protesters. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Ministers that do use this entrance, like Hugo de Jonge, are greeted like this: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "You should listen to the people more." "Otherwise, on behalf of the people, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we will show you a different way. I'm serious." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is a veiled threat. Advice for Hugo de Jonge, you should tell this man: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'I'll listen to you Nov 6th.' That day he will stand trial for threatening a mayor. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 A busy man. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Sometimes the threats are more overt, like with CDA MP Pieter Omtzigt: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Sir hold on!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "I'll beat you to death retard! Fucking retard!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The title of this video on YouTube isn't 'death threat for MP' but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'Critical questions for Pieter Omtzigt'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Well done for keeping him sharp. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This aggression does not only target politicians, but also the media. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Here, mainstream media. You're betraying the people." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Oh fuck off! Here, on behalf of the main- stream media: mainstream media till I die! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Sorry, I'll be objective. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Nowadays NOS reporters need security at events and that's very sad. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Of course, Ron Fresen makes some extreme claims and I don't agree with his views 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but he should be allowed to do his job. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This week NOS even removed their logo from satellite vehicles because of the threats. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Where does this anger suddenly come from? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The Nat. Coordinator for Counterterrorism says: conspiracies and corona. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm thinking: corona, conspiracies both start with "co". 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Coincidence? I think not. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If you listen to the clamouring in The Hague you hear weird and specific things: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Dirty pedophiles!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Traitor! Child rapist!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Satanists. Deep state." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Yeah, Satanists, pedophiles. On Friday, someone wrote at the town hall in Almelo: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'We are being ruled by satanic pedophiles' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That's Almelo now. Normally a quiet town, now we are ruled by satanic pedophiles. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 What is this? Is "pedophile" the new "asshole" or something? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 No, it is a conspiracy theory, stating the elite is a satanic network of pedophiles. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The best known version of this story is Pizzagate, which had a lot of Americans believing children were being kept in a basement of a pizza joint in Washington D.C. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The danger of conspiracy theories became apparent in 2016, when an armed man got into a pizza place in Washington DC." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 He wanted to see the basement because he was convinced that child rapists, linked to Hillary Clinton, had their headquarters there." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It turned out the pizza place didn't even have a basement. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You're thinking: 'Crazy Americans, what a weird country, how did they manage this?' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But just like iPhones and obesity, the conspiracies are also coming our way. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "My guest today: Sven Hulleman." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Could it be that world leaders, prominent people, are secretly engaged in pedophilia?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Structural child abuse." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "And also ritually? Do they have a secret from the antiquity? The Moloch, a deity." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Yeah I know." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And most of you are now thinking - hopefully - 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what the fuck is this? I also did, until I started clicking around on YouTube. A lot of people on there believe that our reality is false. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "This is not only about our health anymore. This is about the controlled destruction of our economy." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Precisely. It's all part of the agenda which we discussed earlier." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Just to be clear, with such a vaccine they can implant a chip inside of you?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Yes it's a pinprick so that is very easy." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The stories that come to light via different ways is that we are being ruled by a thoroughly evil satanic blood drinking elite." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Okay... You got any hobbies? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'Rapping.' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 On YouTube there is a whole circuit of people who have been slowly sucked into their own parallel reality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That often starts with some form of media criticism: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "A few years ago I started to see that things didn't seem right. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Trump's election was ridiculed and he was demonised. But on YouTube, so not in the mainstream media, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I saw that it was actually a decent man with good viewpoints." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Of course, YouTube. The mainstream media always claims dogs can't say hello 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but after browsing YouTube for an hour I found this: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You see? Dogs can talk, Trump is a fine man, that's the power of YouTube. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And that's what you don't hear in regular media, because they are being controlled: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "It bothers me that politicians and media are constantly spoonfeeding people an imposed truth 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 an imposed truth that does not correspond to reality." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "It's like how news items are being put in a particular order. Those are very small mindfucks to influence the public." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Okay so they claim everything you see on television and read in the papers is fake news. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Everybody gets orders from higher up to dumb you down. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And once you believe that you get sucked into a web of theories. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 From 'Trump is great' you go to '9/11 was fake'. And who do you meet there? Sjors van Houts. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The word 'explosie' doesn't appear in the 9/11 report once, and that is strange." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Yeah... The report is in English, Sjors. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You have to look for 'explosion'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We can't all be the Smartest Human, doesn't matter (host won a TV quiz "The Smartest Human"). 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 9/11 by the way is a very nice conspiracy to start with, according to Instagrammer tisjeboyjay: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The first experience where I was like 'wow' was with 9/11, from that point on I thought 'no, huh?'" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "And once you start, you know how it goes." - "Rabbit hole after rabbit hole." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 From 9/11 it's only a very small step to conspiracies about MH17 and MH370: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The people on board didn't die, they are still out somewhere." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The MH370 plane was put down on the crash site of MH17." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 What?! Okay. doesn't matter. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And from MH17 it's onto 'Bill Gates is the devil'. This is conspiracy guru Janet Ossebaard, who made documentaries on Bill Gates: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Keep an eye out for her because part five of her docu is coming." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Five will be the killer for Bill Gates. Will be very nice." "Kill Bill." - "Kill Bill." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And from Bill Gates it's onto corona because Bill wants to put a chip in the vaccine and the whole virus is a hoax. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 All these people know each other too. They're in each other's podcasts, zoom calls and meetings like the woman just now: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 she also appears with Lange Frans: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Let's begin at our beginning. We've known each other from... I'm thinking if it's 4 or 5 years ago, just about." - "Four." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Yeah they've known each other for four years, have a guess from where. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 No it's not Baas B's mom. From what? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "We went to do research there about crop circles that magically appeared every year in the south of England." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They met on a crop circle holiday. Of course! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And I've been saying conspiracy thinkers, but even that is a conspiracy according to conspiracists: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The words conspiracy thinker and conspiracy theory were developed by the CIA in the 1960s." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "And they injected the word conspiracy thinker into the vocabulary of the people, as a form of mind control." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The dog is thinking 'I'm still with her for the sex because otherwise...' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And this sounds like a crazy bunch of people with fast internet and too much time on their hands, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but this is starting to get really big. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 These videos are getting hundreds of thousands of views on Facebook and YouTube. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Why is this so popular? Firstly people love sensation, that's why tabloids sell so well, as we love weird secret information. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 What to think of 'Linda de Mol uses interns as stools'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You don't know if it's true and that's why it's so fun! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But there's something more and that has to do with the technology behind platforms like YouTube and Facebook. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They are only concerned with selling ads to you and keeping your attention for as long as possible. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is the foundation for their whole system. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If you're done watching a video or reading a post, they want you to watch more. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is why they suggest content that they know you'll find interesting. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If I never click on clips about goats, but do click on clips about horses, more horse clips will appear. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Great for me, I get horse clips, and great for YouTube, as I'll watch for longer and they sell more ads. That's the algorithm. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But it turns out that one of the things humans like to click the most, is insane stories on the edge of what they can still believe in. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If you're wondering if the virus is real, you'll click on a clip called 'the virus is fake'. Once you're done, a clip called 'Bill Gates invented the virus' is ready. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And that's what you'll click on, rather than the boring clip 'We don't know much about the virus yet but it's unfortunately there', 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a three-hour-long explanation by a timid doctoral candidate with an irritating accent. You don't do that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 People click on the weirdest clips more readily, but the algorithm sees they also get the best response, which will make it push them up even higher. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This how it inadvertently digs a tunnel for you in which you'll get stuck deeper and deeper. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I did a little test. I removed all my cookies, installed a new browser and opened a new YouTube account. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'll start with a neutral search term like 'PCR test reliable'. This is the test to detect a virus. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 My top hit is 'Invalidity of PCR test explained in five minutes'. I'll click on it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 In my suggested videos, 'Does SARS COV-2 exist? Where is the evidence?' appears. Of course, I click on this. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Meanwhile in the bottom right I see 'Lange Frans and Adèle van der Plas about pedos within the judiciary'. What? You got me hooked! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm watching, and then in the suggested videos 'Lange Frans en Sjors van Houts about 9/11' appears. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Wow. Within three clicks I went from corona tests to conspiracy theories about the attacks on the Twin Towers, via a video about pedophile networks. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Have a look at the front page of my brand new account. Robert Jensen - 'Pull through!' Thanks man, you too. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Again the PCR test guy, a clip against the corona measures, Lange Frans with the dude who said MH17 didn't crash, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And René van der Gijp enjoys the TV Canteen. This is sick shit! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It's just bizarre. This was 10 minutes. Just imagine your online experience after years of clicking through. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You'll be totally convinced by all these opinions. This isn't new - if you read de Telegraaf for years (sensationalist newspaper), 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you'll end up hating Femke Halsema (left-wing politician). 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Same with NRC (liberal newspaper). If you only read that you'll end up hating Youp van 't Hek (main columnist). 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 At least in this case, you know you're reading one newspaper and don't know everything. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But in this 'trap of tales', everyone thinks they're deciding for themselves what content they are viewing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 People think they are doing 'research', when they're actually clicking on YouTube clips provided by an algorithm. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 People are caught in a narrower tunnel than ever, but feel like they're orientating themselves very broadly. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The longer people are caught in this trap, the more they will be open to more radical ideas. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You see this happening to Lange Frans when he talks to someone who is a bit further into the trap: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "If you're at an Albert Heijn or Jumbo, there is no food. It's only manipulated crap, designed so you will lose touch with the earth. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If you lose this connection, if you are an uprooted person it will be easy to control you." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - "That's really bad, I buy 90% of my food at the supermarket." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Poor Frans! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But if Lange Frans buys all of his food at the supermarket, he should be uprooted and controlled by now, right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But he's onto everything! Then that's not true you would say. Frans doesn't care though, he'll eat up anything: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Does our King, the sovereign, have a citizen service number? Are his children registered?" - "That's so interesting" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Did he have a boarding pass when he went on holiday to Greece? - 'Very interesting.' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Was he sitting at the window? - 'I'm going crazy!' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The whole concept of "facts" is disappearing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Just listen to this woman who had a fallout with her family for spreading misinformation on Facebook. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "So you have spread misinformation on Facebook?" "Yes, I don't believe in facts. What is a fact?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is the 12th season of "Zondag met Lubach" and I guess I'll have to start over completely. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is the issue with people who live in an alternate reality. In past times, we did share a reality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Someone would say, 'inheritance taxes should be raised to 80%!' And another would say, 'they should be abolished'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You'd think 'this person is crazy!' But now it's like 'Inheritance taxes? All people in power are child abusers.' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 How can you have a discussion? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Obama orders late-night hot dogs and cheese pizzas. These are all terms that are used for small children." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If that is right, I have received the wrong order so many times! This isn't the US, it's just the centre of Amsterdam. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "The Dutch government and governments abroad...they are all pedophile networks." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "It's a part of the lifestyle of the elite to abuse children." "Why do you think that?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "That's what you hear in the news channels." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That's right: the news channels that are suggested to you - not by a human but by an algorithm designed to capture your attention. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Not to inform you, but to make more money. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This is only possible by offering more and more extreme shit to you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "What is 'adrenochome'?" "That's the blood they're taking from children." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "That babies' blood is drunk by the elites to stay young." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm almost at the point where I say that I pity these folks. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 These folks have walked right into the algorithm of these big platforms. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They're caught in the trap meant be used to sell ads. I would almost say: Lange Fransie, come back from your tale holiday! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It's not too late, we can drink a beer! - 'Very interesting!' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The next question is: where is it heading? This fun chatter in the cloud of like-minded people is causing the clamouring crowd at the Museum Square 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to people scribbling those texts, to people intimidating politicians in the Hague. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 These are all characters from the same trap of tales, they all watch those vlogs. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Remember Laura and Duncan from before, who were a bit critical of how Trump was portrayed? Right now they're here: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "They're really crapping their pants. This week I was at the Plein and Rutte walked past, that was filmed, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and the moment he walked past, you could see him coming with two police officers by his side, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and everybody: 'Murderer! Liar! Pedophile!' That was wonderful! He just quickly ran inside. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Until a year ago Rutte cycled to work, now that doesn't happen anymore." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 These people are happy and proud that Rutte can't cycle to work anymore because he's being threatened physically. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And also Lange Frans has gone downhill, here he is discussing with Janet Ossebaard about what on earth to do with Mark Rutte: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "What should we do? Shoot the guy? I'm not going to do it. I want to keep my karma clean." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - "And I can shoot well, it's not that I would miss you know?" "I wouldn't be expensive in that!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - "It's not that I wouldn't be able to, it's just that my head says I like my night's rest." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And once again, this is not a small pocket of lunatics! On YouTube alone this podcast has been viewed over half a million times! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 One in six Dutch people now think that traditional media only publish news if the government has approved the content. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I wanted to tell that last week but I wasn't allowed yet. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And 14 percent even thinks that the pharmaceutical industry deliberately spreads diseases to sell more drugs. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And you can think: 'shit, that's a lot of people' but you can also think 'heyyy, that's a lot of voters': 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "I'm looking forward to this very much, because today we welcome Wybren van Haga." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 'Hello MP!' - 'Hello conspiracy rapper!' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Wybren van Haga, former VVD MP, now of Forum voor Democratie (FvD) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 heard of the speculations by Lange Frans about shooting Rutte and thought: 'I have to be there!' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Van Haga is fully onboard the conspiracy train. You hear it when he talks about the PCR test, with can detect a virus. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Many people find it too sensitive for testing on a large scale, but Van Haga believes it is completely useless. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Moreover, he retweeted someone who claims that not only the PCR test, but also HIV and corona are a hoax. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Forum voor Democratie gladly draws from the trap of tales, here you see Van Haga at the FvD news 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with tisjeboyjay, who called 9/11 a hoax not too long ago. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Forum boss Thierry Baudet also keeps the door open to the conspiracy world and happily appeases the people, through a broken megaphone: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "I find it incredibly brave that there are so many people, and ever more people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who dare to utter a different voice." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "To prevent the Spoedwet (urgency law)... 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This has to be a conspiracy that this happens!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This was at a demonstration against the corona urgency law, where Baudet was cracking conspiracy jokes with the protesters. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And Forum's love for the conspiracy world is mutual: 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Listen to Wybren van Haga, also someone that explains it to you super well and carefully." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Haga, that's one of the only ones still fighting for our freedom." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "I'm not a fan of politics, not at all, but Van Haga? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Eh, a real OG! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 All follow Van Haga, because this man is spitting facts!" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So we shouldn't expect a solution from Forum for the trap of tales. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 In fact, they've decided 'these are our voters'. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And great that the National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Khadija Arib are ringing the bell about politicians' safety 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but that won't fix it either. The only ones that can really do something about this are the social media themselves. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They made those platforms - with the best intentions: making money - and now part of the public lives in a parellel universe. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And what I'm saying now is not new, criticism of those algorithms has been increasing lately, and those platforms notice it too 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and they don't want to lose customer, which is why they've started to censor. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 YouTube and Facebook are trying to delete a few very specific conspiracy theories, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 such as this week with a video by Lange Frans, in which he raps about conspiracy theories 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which wasn't necessary if you asked me, the track just had a great flow. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The problem with censorship is: how does a tech company determine if something is a conspiracy? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Are they going to check everything? And what if they censor too much? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Covid nonsense is now getting deleted but will you able to pose critical questions on the testing policy? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Censorship is not the solution to the real problem. I'm taking you to the supermarket. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There's cola, and sweets, and other unhealthy stuff. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But there's also broccoli and whole grain bread. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Everyone buys something different but we all see the same store. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 On Facebook and YouTube that's different, you come in and look at a can of Red Bull and bam the entire aisle changes into energy drinks! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You look the other way and where I see broccoli you see chips, because those go well together with Red Bull. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And of course, if you search well you can still find vegetables, but on every packet of chips there's a sticker reading vegetable lives are dangerous (???) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You get fatter, but on the can it says that that is because there is still a pedophilic courgette present in the store! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And the worst thing is that your neighbour experiences a completely different supermarket than you, without you noticing! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Have you ever accidentally logged in to your girlfriend's Netflix account? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Making you think: 'I never knew there were so many Christmas movies with puppies...' 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And that's how everyone has their own reality thanks to Facebook and YouTube. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 These companies employ the very best technicians in the world, they have created this monster - again, with the best financial intentions - 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and now they should tame it. The people in the Hague who threaten politicians stand there because of the algorithm. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If based on these conspiracies there were to emerge violence somewhere, or even worse, cival war, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that is a direct consequence of the revenue model of these internet companies. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They have to fix the trap because only they can make sure we can live in one reality again. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I say: fix the trap. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This was Zondag met Lubach, thanks for watching. Have fun with your week and until next Sunday! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Hi click here. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Everyone knows how this works. I'd rather just get to the point. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Everyone knows how this works, click somewhere. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You want anything from the kitchen by the way?