WEBVTT 00:00:00.475 --> 00:00:09.615 EasterHegg 18 preroll music 00:00:11.870 --> 00:00:18.230 Benjamin: Yeah, my name is Benjamin Wand and I wanted to talk about organ building. 00:00:18.230 --> 00:00:24.840 Why do I do that? First of all I like musical instruments in general, and 00:00:24.840 --> 00:00:27.820 then I noticed that it is actually a cool nerd topic 00:00:27.820 --> 00:00:31.779 because it connects two things that, or it has two things that 00:00:31.779 --> 00:00:36.220 always are present with nerd-things, first of all making things available, 00:00:36.220 --> 00:00:40.630 that is, musical instrument making still gets passed on from master 00:00:40.630 --> 00:00:45.379 to disciple and it is not so greatly publicly documented and is 00:00:45.379 --> 00:00:51.210 just cool to reverse-engineer things. And the other thing is that with 00:00:51.210 --> 00:00:56.839 nerd-things one always likes to absurdly optimize, and that is in any case 00:00:56.839 --> 00:01:00.790 given as well for musical instrument making, they are very, they work 00:01:00.790 --> 00:01:07.000 very precisely and have very exact ideas about what they do 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.860 so to speak musical instrument making is all in all a perfect 00:01:10.860 --> 00:01:19.150 nerd-topic. Yes, everyone has seen an organ, they look like that, and what 00:01:19.150 --> 00:01:21.760 you see here only the facade, there are many more 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.800 organ pipes inside, one takes just a bunch that one finds pretty and 00:01:25.800 --> 00:01:32.120 attaches them in the front, such an interior designer person does that. And 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:37.270 behind that, that thing is called positive when there are organ pipes in the middle 00:01:37.270 --> 00:01:41.550 of the gallery, behind that is the console, that is so to speak the 00:01:41.550 --> 00:01:45.091 user interface. But I thought I'd first say some general things, well NOTE Paragraph 00:01:45.091 --> 00:01:50.910 laughter somewhere data has to get in, one 00:01:50.910 --> 00:01:56.740 pushes buttons and stuff and then somewhere comes air. A big church organ 00:01:56.740 --> 00:02:02.530 runs at something like 0.1 bar but it is a lot of volume, that is why there are those 00:02:02.530 --> 00:02:08.639 bellows. Organ builders indeed still put stones on their bellows for the weight 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:14.530 nowadays. Somehow data has to get from A to B, therefore many organ builders have 00:02:14.530 --> 00:02:20.730 thought out many things, mostly they have to do with mechanical transmission 00:02:20.730 --> 00:02:25.340 or with pneumatic transmission and of course nowadays also electronic. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:25.340 --> 00:02:28.749 And then we have organized air, that is what actually happens with 00:02:28.749 --> 00:02:34.250 wind instruments, it goes to the pipes and tones come out. Like I said, there are NOTE Paragraph 00:02:34.250 --> 00:02:37.959 very many kinds of organ pipes, they all sound a bit differently. 00:02:37.959 --> 00:02:44.909 Those are common models that someone has kindly 00:02:44.909 --> 00:02:49.109 drawn for the Wikipedia, and then it is like that that of every kind of pipe 00:02:49.109 --> 00:02:55.250 which is present there is one keyboard full of pipes available, 00:02:55.250 --> 00:02:59.081 very small to very big, and they are called something with foot and that is the NOTE Paragraph 00:02:59.081 --> 00:03:05.459 length of the lowest tone, when for instance a row of organ pipes is called '8 foot' 00:03:05.459 --> 00:03:18.150 that means that the longest pipe is eight foot long, 2.40 meters 00:03:18.150 --> 00:03:23.950 This one could call the cockpit of a romantic organ. Organs were, ... 00:03:23.950 --> 00:03:27.599 there is a big period in the Baroque Music and a big period in the 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:32.819 Romantic Music. There are the keyboards, at organs they are called 00:03:32.819 --> 00:03:39.360 manual and then down there there is a foot-keyboard, called pedal, then it has 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:45.560 stuff to set dynamics here, down there are things to operate by foot, 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:51.279 a lever can be operated like that there are also some to roll 00:03:51.279 --> 00:03:57.250 there are here on the side, and there are displays for the status 00:03:57.250 --> 00:04:02.870 And then there are all those toggle switches, they are the 00:04:02.870 --> 00:04:09.180 stop tabs, they make whether a row of organ pipes is on 00:04:09.180 --> 00:04:12.310 one can imagine it like that, given you have these kinds of pipes, they 00:04:12.310 --> 00:04:15.579 stick to a keyboard, there is always a set of organ pipes per keyboard 00:04:15.579 --> 00:04:21.269 this is only one octave but virtually in every box would be a pipe 00:04:21.269 --> 00:04:28.750 of every kind one, of every size one, four and a half octaves for 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:33.039 one keyboard and two and a half for the pedal. And they stand in a 00:04:33.039 --> 00:04:37.291 toe board, it is not necessarily rectangular but they mill-cut around the 00:04:37.291 --> 00:04:43.370 corner if that fits better and when one chooses pipes 00:04:43.370 --> 00:04:46.480 now those both rows, so to say they are on, and then pushes 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.360 one tone, the yellow sketched in pipes receive air and it toots. 00:04:51.360 --> 00:05:01.290 Yes? That is how it works. Ok, and what now? Like I said I like musical instruments 00:05:01.290 --> 00:05:05.070 and last summer I had an internship at an organ maker and NOTE Paragraph 00:05:05.070 --> 00:05:10.740 unfortunately I found it terrible, but for me the result was that I wanted to try to 00:05:10.740 --> 00:05:20.699 build an organ with real dynamics like on a piano. Now I'm 00:05:20.699 --> 00:05:28.460 one too far but that doesn't matter. Like that, that is a recording that I 00:05:28.460 --> 00:05:32.680 ... electronically ... doesn't sound well, but just that you see 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.460 what I mean by dynamics, because there aren't always only musicians. 00:05:36.460 --> 00:05:38.410 It still has to work. electic piano 00:05:38.410 --> 00:05:42.340 That is so to say 'piano', if you push hard 00:05:42.350 --> 00:05:49.860 loud and soft tones come. electric piano 00:05:49.870 --> 00:05:53.679 If you do that with an organ it doesn't work, no matter how hard you push, ok? 00:05:53.679 --> 00:05:58.090 Hammond organ 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:05.090 Not hard to see. Hammond organ 00:06:05.090 --> 00:06:10.629 That is an old thing, trying to teach dynamics to keyboard instruments, 00:06:10.629 --> 00:06:13.240 the piano emerged that way, regarding the harpsichord people complained NOTE Paragraph 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.210 that it sounds like 8-bit music and people wanted more resolution. 00:06:18.210 --> 00:06:25.689 laughter Exactly. And for the organ it still 00:06:25.689 --> 00:06:32.470 doesn't really work. There are several reasons for that. First of all, 00:06:32.470 --> 00:06:37.610 keyboard instrument in general have a focus on music theory. If you 00:06:37.610 --> 00:06:41.680 imagine a band, the dude at the keyboard is the nerd. Not always but that's a thing. 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:51.620 And that a tone on a keyboard instrument, that it is one state, 00:06:51.620 --> 00:06:57.280 a digital state, buys polyphony. One can play many tones at once 00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:00.470 and do complex things on the piano and that is possible 00:07:00.470 --> 00:07:05.101 because one tone is always one thing, otherwise it would be crazy. There are 00:07:05.101 --> 00:07:08.599 those seaboards where you can slide the finger, but I haven't seen 00:07:08.599 --> 00:07:12.659 decent music for it, at least no polyphonic one. That is the classic 00:07:12.659 --> 00:07:18.050 that keyboard instruments are connected with music theory and polyphony 00:07:18.050 --> 00:07:22.620 Then this is the case with organs: they are expensive and very 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:26.240 conservative people pay for it, churches and alike, they don't like 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:31.449 experiments. And if an inventor builds something, he builds a prototype NOTE Paragraph 00:07:31.449 --> 00:07:35.439 with three tones, and then a musician makes sung: doo doo doo doo doo doo 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:42.240 'What is this? I can not do anything with it' 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:48.139 And then, there are two types of organ pipes that were on the picture, 00:07:48.139 --> 00:07:51.909 labial pipes and lingual pipes, and those are labial pipes. They look like 00:07:51.909 --> 00:07:59.550 a recorder and work like it, and are limited in their ability to 00:07:59.550 --> 00:08:04.439 perform dynamics because the pitch changes, like that 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:09.810 labial pipe Do you hear that? It goes a bit higher and lower 00:08:09.810 --> 00:08:13.930 and that makes many things in music 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:24.870 complicated. Not impossible but it is a disadvantage 00:08:24.870 --> 00:08:29.510 Like shown in the picture of the cockpit, there were attempts to get 00:08:29.510 --> 00:08:35.650 dynamics on the organ. The first one was the swell box, there is a set 00:08:35.650 --> 00:08:38.429 of organ pipes in a box and it has doors in he front that 00:08:38.429 --> 00:08:40.759 can be closed and opened and depending how open they are 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:46.560 the louder or softer it is. And then, in the Romantic Organ one invented 00:08:46.560 --> 00:08:51.820 a thing called crescendo pedal, there you can't only switch on 00:08:51.820 --> 00:08:54.040 and off organ stops with a toggle switch 00:08:54.040 --> 00:08:59.970 but thee are presets where you can choose loudness and it works 00:08:59.970 --> 00:09:04.511 on its own, switches stops on and off 00:09:04.511 --> 00:09:07.980 depending how 'loud' you make it. But then it still doesn't influence how 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:12.190 much you push on each key, right? The volume adjustment ist always for 00:09:12.190 --> 00:09:17.380 the entire keyboard. And then in Romantic Music some organs 00:09:17.380 --> 00:09:20.660 had the feature that when you depress a button only half way 00:09:20.660 --> 00:09:28.590 the pipe only gets half air. Thats nice, and you saw with the pipe 00:09:28.590 --> 00:09:31.260 it is a bit complicated but possible. 00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:35.750 This technology had the problem that 00:09:35.750 --> 00:09:40.360 when you depressed a key you always had to lift each valve 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.320 that belonged to all the used pipes, meaning that if you used 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:47.490 many stops you had to push very hard with your fingers, that's why 00:09:47.490 --> 00:09:52.570 it was hard for musicians. And now one can 00:09:52.570 --> 00:09:55.889 replicate that with electronics, one measures 00:09:55.889 --> 00:10:01.220 how deeply the key is depressed, with a hall sensor, and then one moves 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:07.340 the valve on the other side, like the input was. 00:10:07.340 --> 00:10:16.420 There is this yummy talk, they explain it thoroughly how this company Heuss does it, 00:10:16.420 --> 00:10:22.750 that is one of their employees, they programmed it. 00:10:22.750 --> 00:10:28.110 The problem though is, and that is why I don't consider it a solution: 00:10:28.110 --> 00:10:33.040 one can't play with half depressed keys. Imagine writing code and some shortcuts NOTE Paragraph 00:10:33.040 --> 00:10:35.900 are on half depressed keys. 00:10:35.900 --> 00:10:37.900 laughter 00:10:37.900 --> 00:10:43.380 Nice thing, I call it 'expressive play', 00:10:43.380 --> 00:10:45.810 it is still not dynamics but expressive play. 00:10:45.810 --> 00:10:49.290 Not bad, actually quite cool, but still not dynamics. 00:10:49.290 --> 00:11:00.120 What have I done until now? 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.810 First of all I looked into this problem that pipes have this property 00:11:03.810 --> 00:11:06.410 to change the pitch with the air pressure. Or rather 00:11:06.410 --> 00:11:12.899 I didn't do it but 25 years ago someone invented a new type or organ pipe. 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:22.420 I have to go to FreeCAD. This is a reed of a harmonica 00:11:22.420 --> 00:11:26.010 or any other free reed instrument, 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:30.850 the thin sheet is fixed on the thick sheet with a rivet, and if you 00:11:30.850 --> 00:11:34.670 blow on it from above a tone comes, approximately like that. 00:11:34.670 --> 00:11:39.160 harmonica-tone And the interesting thing he invented, 00:11:39.160 --> 00:11:44.790 his name was Ernst Zacharias, 00:11:44.790 --> 00:11:50.449 is that if you put such a thing the wrong way around 00:11:50.449 --> 00:11:53.909 into a tube, it shouldn't work but it does. 00:11:53.909 --> 00:12:00.620 And that is a not so good pipe 00:12:00.620 --> 00:12:07.070 but I made one myself. Like I said, it has the lovely property 00:12:07.070 --> 00:12:09.880 that you can change the volume a bit 00:12:09.880 --> 00:12:19.070 without changing the pitch. Zacharias-pipe 00:12:19.070 --> 00:12:24.630 Though one can see in the spectrogram that the partials change a bit. 00:12:24.630 --> 00:12:33.489 Zacharias-pipe 00:12:33.489 --> 00:12:36.790 When one blows more there are more overtones, it isn't entirely 00:12:36.790 --> 00:12:44.970 free of side effects but that is quite cool. 00:12:44.970 --> 00:12:56.260 Then, I 3d-printed many organ pipes and brought some. 00:12:56.260 --> 00:13:02.930 Those, there is a list how to do it, 00:13:02.930 --> 00:13:06.520 how to do the proportions if you have different sizes of organ pipes. 00:13:06.520 --> 00:13:10.579 I've made a standard set with different diameters of tube. 00:13:10.579 --> 00:13:16.520 The reason for the tubes is: organ pipes 00:13:16.520 --> 00:13:21.170 are large, they don't fit into the 3d printer, I didn't want to do wood working, 00:13:21.170 --> 00:13:25.390 led isn't that good in the kitchen. laughter 00:13:25.390 --> 00:13:30.229 Organ metal is a great material but not so accessible for private people. 00:13:30.229 --> 00:13:37.740 Those are pipes that should belong together, that are made according to NOTE Paragraph 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:40.600 standard measurements. 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:46.769 labial pipe Maybe we should go back to 00:13:46.769 --> 00:13:53.053 the spectrogram, that is interesting as well. And the meaning of the matter 00:13:53.053 --> 00:13:56.089 is supposed to be that the overtone-stuff looks somewhat similar. 00:13:56.089 --> 00:14:09.399 labial pipe 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:27.490 I'd say that is alright, for other pipes it looks very differently, 00:14:27.490 --> 00:14:32.610 that is a flute. labial pipe 00:14:32.610 --> 00:14:36.540 See it, right? inaudible question from the audience 00:14:36.540 --> 00:14:43.970 Yes, maybe I should talk a bit about this. 00:14:43.970 --> 00:14:51.310 The lowest tone is the one you hear, for example that one, and then it is the 00:14:51.310 --> 00:14:54.019 case that in a resonator not only the basic frequency vibrates 00:14:54.019 --> 00:15:02.079 but also multiples of it, and depending what shape the pipe has, like 00:15:02.079 --> 00:15:06.190 how big this hole is in relation to the length and diameter 00:15:06.190 --> 00:15:11.480 these proportions influence the sound 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.520 and that is how there are different kinds of organ pipes. 00:15:15.520 --> 00:15:21.069 inaudible question from the audience 'How many partials do I want' 00:15:21.069 --> 00:15:27.940 was the question, I should repeat the questions. That is ... 00:15:27.940 --> 00:15:32.480 I'd love to have such recordings from normal organ pipes but I don't have them. 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:39.259 inaudible question from the audience Printing those things once 00:15:39.259 --> 00:15:42.730 in different sizes was the goal here, to see whether if the 00:15:42.730 --> 00:15:46.949 proportions are similar, do they sound similar enough to be called one organ stop. 00:15:46.949 --> 00:15:52.200 What one can see with them is that they 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:58.990 sound funny in the beginning, 00:15:58.990 --> 00:16:04.870 always when I start to blow, instantly really, I get the tone you saw. 00:16:04.870 --> 00:16:08.019 labial pipe 00:16:08.019 --> 00:16:10.670 But when I blow little you see a funny effect. 00:16:10.670 --> 00:16:19.029 labial pipe Great (not). But here in the beginning one could see it. 00:16:19.029 --> 00:16:25.950 labial pipe Before it had a little swerve. 00:16:25.950 --> 00:16:33.730 That means, I wouldn't print a whole set of them, as they are now, for 00:16:33.730 --> 00:16:40.500 an organ with dynamics, that would be rubbish. 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:48.000 I'll talk about the file now. These FreeCAD files can be found on GitHub, 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.839 and when one look at one, one first has to go to the spreadsheet, 00:16:53.839 --> 00:17:02.089 put in values for the thickness of the tube, outside and inside, how wide 00:17:02.089 --> 00:17:09.440 and high do I want that opening. And the block chamfer, honestly 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:14.290 I don't know what it is good for but it exists in recorders, 00:17:14.290 --> 00:17:21.280 it is this edge here, one can switch it on and off in the FreeCAD file. 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:31.400 And this is such an organ pipe. I've always slices them at a 45° angle, 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:38.380 like that, with the goal to not have 00:17:38.380 --> 00:17:43.049 to remove support structure from inside, one always tries to get the labium smooth, 00:17:43.049 --> 00:17:46.780 and also this tube where you blow through 00:17:46.780 --> 00:17:52.360 if you have support structure inside it is not so nice to get out. 00:17:52.360 --> 00:18:01.350 So, I always printed them on 45°, 00:18:01.350 --> 00:18:05.309 and then I had the idea to rotate the interesting part 45° 00:18:05.309 --> 00:18:10.160 and designed those. I've tried printing but it didn't work. 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.530 There is a 3d printer in the hackcenter but it is clogged. 00:18:13.530 --> 00:18:19.080 I'm very curious how it'll sound, whether this is useful. 00:18:19.080 --> 00:18:23.650 I've also made other experimental things like traverse flutes 00:18:23.650 --> 00:18:28.450 and funny things where you can stick a tube in on both sides. 00:18:28.450 --> 00:18:35.730 One can design the wildest things in 3d. 00:18:35.730 --> 00:18:52.250 inaudible question from the audience I do't understand the question. 00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:56.510 Wait, there is a microphone for you. Audience: The result is, 00:18:56.510 --> 00:19:00.780 if it sounds at all it should sound with a wide spectrum, with a washed-out tone, 00:19:00.780 --> 00:19:05.770 right? Benjamin: I'm curious. 00:19:05.770 --> 00:19:08.340 I've made fun things, for instance files with 00:19:08.340 --> 00:19:14.780 a curved labium. I'm interested in this because it limits the effect 00:19:14.780 --> 00:19:19.890 that the pitch changes, it is less in those. 00:19:19.890 --> 00:19:26.140 labial pipe It is there but very small, much less 00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:30.909 then with those. I don't know why. And curved labium is also new, I haven't 00:19:30.909 --> 00:19:33.740 seen musical instruments with that feature, 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:38.179 because if you build from wood it would be complicated but with 3d printing - 00:19:38.179 --> 00:19:42.669 no problem. laughter 00:19:42.669 --> 00:19:49.130 I'm curious how it sounds, I have no idea, none at all. 00:19:49.130 --> 00:19:54.659 But if it would work that would be cool. 00:19:54.659 --> 00:19:58.470 inaudible question from the audience Yes, when I'm home I can do this 00:19:58.470 --> 00:20:04.480 but if someone could print it now that would be cool, sure, then we can try 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.730 it here at EasterHegg. 00:20:08.730 --> 00:20:12.669 Another thing I've changed is the thing is the thing at the bottom, for the case 00:20:12.669 --> 00:20:17.340 to stick a tube inside because I thought a good next step would be 00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:20.900 a small instrument with pneumatic action 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:27.880 and no or almost no electronics 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.490 in order to test pipes on a keybord 00:20:30.490 --> 00:20:34.500 because so far I can only blow inside, 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:46.350 would be cooler to play on a keyboard. That is an image of a pipe I've played 00:20:46.350 --> 00:20:51.740 so that you can imagine it better. 00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:55.350 So far I've just fixed it with tape. 00:20:55.350 --> 00:20:58.850 That is another folder, also on GitHub, 00:20:58.850 --> 00:21:03.100 it has those inverted free reed pipes. 00:21:03.100 --> 00:21:07.720 A thing that I find particularly interesting with those pipes is 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:13.070 playing Shepherd tones. Like that, imagine that the red tones are 'f's, 00:21:13.070 --> 00:21:16.110 one would play 'f's of all octaves at once, 00:21:16.110 --> 00:21:24.429 in the middle louder than outside. That is a popular toy in film music, 00:21:24.429 --> 00:21:29.940 one can do fun psychoacoustic tricks with it and this would be the first time 00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:35.200 to play Shepherd tones on an acoustic instrument. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:42.900 It would be either possible to build a stop of Shepherd tones, 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:46.840 which would be plausible as well because one needs eight octaves, which is 00:21:46.840 --> 00:21:54.360 more than a normal organ has, or one does it with proportional air supply, 00:21:54.360 --> 00:22:00.080 that the pipes that play the Shepherd tones can be used as normal tones. 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:10.470 Thoughts about keyboard expression. 00:22:10.470 --> 00:22:13.500 I had mentioned before that there are those Romantic organs that measure what 00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:18.169 gets replicated as electronic, how deeply the key is depressed. That isn't the 00:22:18.169 --> 00:22:22.900 only possibility how to do that. If one builds an electric piano, 00:22:22.900 --> 00:22:26.890 the speed, in which the keys get 00:22:26.890 --> 00:22:32.690 depressed, gets measured, that is 00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:36.830 another input, and a third way is the pressure on the key, that is when one buys 00:22:36.830 --> 00:22:40.990 a keyboard with polyphonic aftertouch, it measured the pressure 00:22:40.990 --> 00:22:46.090 on the depressed keys. And in the long run I'd prefer that, becauee 00:22:46.090 --> 00:22:51.940 then one can change the volume of an already pressed key, other than when 00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:57.331 measuring the speed. On the other hand 00:22:57.331 --> 00:23:02.590 you don't have the problem of not being able to play with half depressed keys. 00:23:02.590 --> 00:23:06.950 How ever, it will be a new instrument and I'm assuming that it'll take a pianist 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:09.950 two or three months to get used to it, to 00:23:09.950 --> 00:23:16.240 this new way, that the pressure gets measured. Most pianists can't play 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.650 on the clavichord. At the clavichord the pressure gets measured and 00:23:19.650 --> 00:23:22.970 influences the pitch. Usually it sounds terrible at first but 00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:26.029 some pianists can already do it, one can learn it. 00:23:26.029 --> 00:23:32.220 How ever. There is one thing I need and not having it keeps me from 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:38.330 progressing with the project, and I'm hoping for a miracle in the form of 00:23:38.330 --> 00:23:44.720 a person, and the problem is the actuator. An organ with electric direct action 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.891 would use an actuator that looks like this 00:23:47.891 --> 00:23:52.179 there are two magnets and this thing here 00:23:52.179 --> 00:23:58.500 can be moved up and down, proportionally how deeply the key is depressed. 00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:04.429 The problem is that this is fairly expensive and I'd like to have one for 00:24:04.429 --> 00:24:10.380 each pipe, I'd like to get rid of the matrix, also for example 00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.890 for performing Shepherd tones. 00:24:13.890 --> 00:24:23.029 If each pipe gets their own actuator, that is a point where I can't continue 00:24:23.029 --> 00:24:26.370 at the moment, why I would build 00:24:26.370 --> 00:24:30.270 a small thing with pneumatic action because that is easier. 00:24:30.270 --> 00:24:35.340 If someone had an idea about fluid dynamics, that would be cool 00:24:35.340 --> 00:24:37.960 to figure out why the pipes with 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.520 the curved labium change the pitch less than the others. 00:24:42.520 --> 00:24:48.320 That would be cool. And i've told the thing with the 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:54.550 actuator to many people, and then they reply 'use a servo'. But that won't work 00:24:54.550 --> 00:25:01.850 because they are either too slow or too noisy. You've probably seen 00:25:01.850 --> 00:25:05.320 on YouTube someone play the Super Mario theme on 00:25:05.320 --> 00:25:09.549 stepper motors. They are really noisy! Or they are expensive. 00:25:09.549 --> 00:25:13.980 Less noisy servos exist but somewhere in this triangle it is not getting better. 00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:18.470 Pneumatics, same problem, also expensive. 00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:28.830 inaudible question from the audience Question: what does the actuator do? 00:25:28.830 --> 00:25:34.169 The actuator does that a thing can move between two points, and also in-between. 00:25:34.169 --> 00:25:39.030 And I'd say that the illusion of it being 00:25:39.030 --> 00:25:41.350 continuous would be at at least 20 steps. 00:25:41.350 --> 00:25:48.080 inaudible question from the audience Exactly, I need a proportional valve. 00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:57.669 Like I said, at the moment I'm planning 00:25:57.669 --> 00:26:01.830 to build a small instrument with pneumatic action in order to continue working 00:26:01.830 --> 00:26:06.919 on my pipes. The whole stuff in on GitHub if you're curious, and I'm looking 00:26:06.919 --> 00:26:13.559 to hear from other builders of musical instruments. 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.960 Are there more questions? There is a microphone, than the questions will 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:24.549 be on the stream, that would be cool. There is one. 00:26:24.549 --> 00:26:39.169 Audience: Hi, I'm Max and I play organ. Hello Martin. And I work at a university 00:26:39.169 --> 00:26:42.580 that has measurement technology, and we do a course, 00:26:42.580 --> 00:26:46.039 so far I'm officially responsible, for the Cultural Studies, what 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:51.110 was it called? Digital Sound-synthesis. There we have some measuring devices and 00:26:51.110 --> 00:26:53.340 the university does have an organ. You've said 00:26:53.340 --> 00:26:58.410 you'd like to do acoustic measurements of some stops, 00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:00.710 Possibly you can be helped. 00:27:00.710 --> 00:27:05.160 Benjamin: Oh yes, that sounds great, we should do it. The files 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:09.159 are called '0 - something', and that is very undetermined, 00:27:09.159 --> 00:27:13.260 I thought I'd go '1' once I've figured out how I want to do it with the toe board. 00:27:13.260 --> 00:27:24.169 So to speak what is there on the right, 00:27:24.169 --> 00:27:27.440 organ pipes have certain diameters that have to fit, one can exchange 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.970 the pipes, and I haven#t figured out how I'd do it because I always used to 00:27:30.970 --> 00:27:34.950 blow in with the mouth and I thought I'll call it '1-something' after deciding 00:27:34.950 --> 00:27:38.730 how the lower side should look like, 00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:46.330 the interface to the outside. Yes, I'd have to do that in order to 00:27:46.330 --> 00:27:51.000 put the 3d printed pipes into a toe board, right? You don't know either. 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.910 inaudible question from the audience 00:27:53.910 --> 00:28:00.049 That would be cool, because it is badly documented until now, I rarely 00:28:00.049 --> 00:28:06.159 find spectrograms like this. 00:28:06.159 --> 00:28:13.130 inaudible question from the audience Yes, we'll talk afterwards, looking forwards. 00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:19.950 There, another question. Audience: In Stuttgart at ... 00:28:19.950 --> 00:28:23.019 Benjamin: ... Fraunhofer ... Audience: ... am Fraunhofer Institut, 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:26.429 okay, you know them. Benjamin: I've tried to contact them 00:28:26.429 --> 00:28:28.490 but nothing happened. 00:28:28.490 --> 00:28:31.211 Audience: Ok, that is unfortunate because coincidentally 00:28:31.211 --> 00:28:37.520 I know that they have a tool for parametric design of organ pipes, where 00:28:37.520 --> 00:28:41.789 one can choose partials and they also do 00:28:41.789 --> 00:28:47.010 fluid dynamics and stuff. 00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:51.529 But I don't know either how happily they give it to people but they 00:28:51.529 --> 00:28:55.120 certainly have cool things. Benjamin: Ja, that was what I found as 00:28:55.120 --> 00:29:00.540 well, but like I said, they didn't want to talk to me. Good, there is 00:29:00.540 --> 00:29:05.899 another question next to you. Audience: I can make contact, 00:29:05.899 --> 00:29:10.820 my cousin is professional organ builder, 00:29:10.820 --> 00:29:16.059 who usually does restoration and new construction of classical pipe organs, 00:29:16.059 --> 00:29:19.200 but I could imagine to make contact and one could visit his workshop 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.230 that should be easy. 00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:24.930 Benjamin: Where is it? 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:27.930 Audience: Siegen. Benjamin: Mh, like I said, I did an 00:29:27.930 --> 00:29:30.240 internship at an organ workshop, that wasn't delightful. 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.920 Audience: That wasn't my cousin. 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:34.920 Benjamin: Yeah ... laughter 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.880 Benjamin: But sure, I don't think that my 3d printed organ pipes are that supreme, 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:45.100 right? Rather it is a toy for prototyping 00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:49.080 and trying things out, like 00:29:49.080 --> 00:29:53.470 curved labium, that would be a lot more effort with wood, and metal would 00:29:53.470 --> 00:29:57.290 but someone would have to pay for it. 00:29:57.290 --> 00:30:06.679 I don't know what exactly metal pipes cost but more than this. 00:30:06.679 --> 00:30:13.059 Audience: At a restauration sometimes 00:30:13.059 --> 00:30:17.590 some pipes are left over. 00:30:17.590 --> 00:30:22.700 Benjamin: Yes, cool, thanks. 00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:33.360 Are there more questions? You can also try all of them, for instance this 00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:38.460 where one sticks it in the middle, oh, ask your question. 00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:40.549 Audience: What do you want to determine 00:30:40.549 --> 00:30:45.391 with your proportional valve, the pressure or the volume of air? 00:30:45.391 --> 00:30:54.779 Benjamin: The volume. The pressure is even per stop, different stops can have 00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:58.670 different pressure but the pressure 00:30:58.670 --> 00:31:06.549 is even within one stop, and then the 00:31:06.549 --> 00:31:15.200 actuator moves right-left back and forth, 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:20.559 to move the valve. 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:26.870 inaudible question from the audience 00:31:26.870 --> 00:31:32.179 That is really a bit odd. 00:31:32.179 --> 00:31:36.389 This looks like a recorder, right? 00:31:36.389 --> 00:31:40.670 And in a recorder, German: Blockflöte, there is the block inside. But here 00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:50.909 nothing alike is inside. I found it funny that that works and thought apparently 00:31:50.909 --> 00:31:55.419 the labium doesn't need to be at the end of the pipe, it isn't 00:31:55.419 --> 00:31:59.700 necessary, and then I made one ... or several ... where one can plug in a 00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.620 tube on both ends. But I can't make sense 00:32:02.620 --> 00:32:11.799 of the pitch that comes out. labial pipe, several pitches 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:23.809 laughter Interesting, but I don't have an explanation. 00:32:23.809 --> 00:32:38.230 What? Ok. labial pipe, several pitches 00:32:38.230 --> 00:32:48.250 inaudible question from the audience Yes, that is plausible but why so high, 00:32:48.250 --> 00:32:59.909 the length if the pipe doesn't match the pitch. 00:32:59.909 --> 00:33:06.649 Yeah. inaudible question from the audience 00:33:06.649 --> 00:33:19.350 What do I do when I cover what? Oh yes, let's try. 00:33:19.350 --> 00:33:28.159 labial pipe, changing pitch laughter 00:33:28.159 --> 00:33:33.169 music There are several ways to tune 00:33:33.169 --> 00:33:37.070 organ pipes, this is one of them. There is a piece of sheet metal attached on top 00:33:37.070 --> 00:33:45.419 and you can bend it onto and away from the pipe. I've also tried 3d printing items 00:33:45.419 --> 00:33:51.039 for tuning organ pipes but that was all rubbish, the only thing that worked 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.260 was t stick another tube onto it, or a lid 00:33:55.260 --> 00:33:59.350 in case of a stopped pipe, and to move it up and down, things with 00:33:59.350 --> 00:34:04.399 folding din't work in 3d printing. 00:34:04.399 --> 00:34:12.159 Weird. There, a question in the back. inaudible question from the audience 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.530 Audience: Oh, once again with mike. If you do the finger on it, you're 00:34:16.530 --> 00:34:19.210 making a half stopped pipe, which means the tube gets longer. 00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:21.210 Benjamin: Yes. Audience: It makes sense that 00:34:21.210 --> 00:34:26.860 is gets lower. Benjamin: What exactly make sense, that? 00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:30.199 No. That? labial pipe, different pitch 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:40.770 But why is it a fifth? For a stopped pipe it should be an octave. 00:34:40.770 --> 00:34:42.780 laughter 00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.550 Audience: They have different length. 00:34:45.550 --> 00:34:53.219 Benjamin: Yes, should we, do I have two of identical length? Yes, If I take this 00:34:53.219 --> 00:35:06.860 and add that. So, same length now, ok? 00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:16.580 labial pipe, different pitch It wants to overblow, that doesn't fit. 00:35:16.580 --> 00:35:23.730 I don't gat the basic frequency. labial pipe, different pitch 00:35:23.730 --> 00:35:31.580 That tends to happen when a tube is too thin relative to the length. If one 00:35:31.580 --> 00:35:37.100 wants to have a sound with lots of partials, one makes a thinner pipe but 00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:44.120 when one overdoes it one doesn't get the basic frequency anymore. 00:35:44.120 --> 00:35:54.420 inaudible question from the audience Yes, brass instruments. 00:35:54.420 --> 00:36:00.590 laughter inaudible question from the audience 00:36:00.590 --> 00:36:06.770 Exactly. inaudible question from the audience 00:36:06.770 --> 00:36:16.800 laughter Ok, then not, don't know. There is a limit 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.300 to how much I can recommend blowing into them because I was very sick last week. 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:26.310 laughter But apart from that you are invited to 00:36:26.310 --> 00:36:30.110 try them all. They all look a bit differently. I've also made 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:35.050 traverse flutes. 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:41.640 traverse flute I just wanted to try it. 00:36:41.640 --> 00:36:47.650 Makes a tone. Cool, thanks. 00:36:47.650 --> 00:36:54.750 applause 00:36:55.929 --> 00:37:00.067 postroll music 00:37:00.067 --> 00:37:07.000 subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2018. Join, and help us!