(Girl) If you can summarise your opinion
towards women.
(Derrick) Like, what i think of them?
(Girl) Yes.
I do think they are very important, BUT...
(Man) Some topics are hard to approach.
(Woman) More and more male hatred against
women is rising up.
You might call this a new phenomenon.
(Man) Either the subjects are inaccessible or
people are uncomfortable discussing them.
If you’re an ugly guy, you better get a good job,
make some money, 'cuz nobody is gonna
wanna talk to you.
Girls, I will destroy you.
YOU DONT DESERVE TO GET LAID
AT ALL!
(Man) So we found those subjects in person,
rented a space in Hollywood
and invited our audience and
any strangers walking by to come inside
and ask them anything.
sighs Okay, uh,
hey I’m Brendeal (?)
I also go by Derrick,
I, uh, I’m an incel
and I’m here to answer
people’s question about the topic.
I can start?
(Girl) Hi, how are you?
(Derrick) Hi, I'm good.
So, you're... An incel.
(Derrick) Yes.
(Guy) Why would you ever sign up to do this?
I suppose I would want to
Give more or a positive light on this community
(Derrick) Which has a very negative light upon it.
(Guy) Okay, and do you think that's a good thing? (Derrick) Yes.
(Guy) Why is that? (Derrick) Because a lot of boys in this community
aren't bad people.
(Guy) But you acknowledge that a good handful of them are, right?
(Derrick) Not a good handful, I've seen a small handful.
Who hurt you, or what happened?
What events sort of catalysed
(Girl) this way of thinking, and you getting into this kind of research?
Uh... Society? laughs Uuuh...
(Guy) Do you hate women? (Derrick) No.
(Guy) No. (Derrick) No.
Do you have a female role model in your life?
(Derrick) A female role model... (Girl) Yeah, like your mom,
(Girl) or an aunt, or a friend.
I mean, I love my mom.
(Derrick) I wouldn't necessarily consider her a role model,
but I do love her quite a bit.
If a woman was elected as president of the United States,
how would you react?
Derrick chuckles
(Derrick) Um, I don't know, it probably would depend on the- on the woman.
(Derrick) I probably wouldn't be supportive of her, honestly, but...
Derrick laughs
Why do you say that, if you don't mind me asking?
I do think that, you know,
men should be the leaders, and
women should be the care givers, and you know,
the loving and supporting, the teachers, in some cases.
Since women of colour, or just women in general,
(Girl) have been oppressed by certain systems,
and other oppressed communities, especially LGBTQ+,
all those, those that don't really fit with the spectrum
that incels, or you, have been talking about,
so, why do you think your method of thought
would help fix what we have today?
(Derrick) I probably wouldn't view things
you might view as "oppression" as oppression,
(Derrick) I have a feeling. Uhm, I would view it more as
uh, how we treat children that we love.
(Derrick) We control them, but we control them
lovingly, not as a slave, not as we're
forcing them to do things against their will;
I would view it more as a loving, domestic thing in the past,
and I would say that if we were to do it in a civilised way,
maybe in a more- even in a Christian way,
even though I'm not really advocating for a certain
religion or ideology, um, I would assume
that women would probably be happier,
I wouldn't just assume that blindly, I would assume that
based on the data that I've seen.
(Girl) What data have you seen that has brought you
to this conclusion? Because I'm now curious
where I can get this data from.
(Derrick) Um, I couldn't reference it off hand, but
I believe there is a study that- I can't
remember the name of it off the top of my head.
(Girl) Okay.
What do you think it is about liberal areas
that creates behaviour in women that you
think is a problem?
Promiscuity leads to
increased standards in more primitive aspects,
such as looks.
(Derrick) Um, and that typically makes it harder
for some people to find a relationship,
including sometimes good-looking people.
(Derrick) There's guys, who are
much better looking than I am,
who are having a really hard time
finding someone in a place like LA or in London
or in Auckland, New Zealand;
but they probably would have
a perfectly fine time finding, you know,
a woman somewhere else.
(Girl) So you think that promiscuity is the problem,
and that if people were more monogamist and
more, um, withholding, that would sort of
fix society?
(Derrick) Yes, I suppose if people were more traditionalist.
(Girl) There have been a few mass shootings
in the past, where the shooters
actually stated that they were incels, or
radicalised,
what do you think about their actions?
(Derrick) I condemn their actions.
(Derrick) I don't believe in violence,
I don't believe violence is the solution,
I don't believe attacking random people
is gonna fix anything, whether they're, you know, women or men.
(Derrick) I do think that the reason why
they committed those actions was probably
because of- out of desperation, or out of,
you know, mental problems;
they probably could've been prevented
had the right support been there in their community,
in their household, if they've, you know-
if people, y'know, saw what they were posting
and saw what they were experiencing in life,
and did something to help them.
(Guy) Was there like a
pivotal moment in your life, like
a straw that broke the metaphorical camel's back?
(Derrick) You know, it's constant years of rejection,
no matter who the person was,
constant years of rejection and other aspects of my life.
(Derrick) It did kind of push me towards more, I suppose, "radical"
um, beliefs, but I suppose they're only, like
radical, but they're more like
just "old beliefs", really.
(Guy) No, uh, it sounds like, uh,
I had another metaphor, like
death by a thousand cuts, you know,
it's not like one pivotal moment,
but it sounds like a bunch of things built up
(Guy) over time. (Derrick) Yeah.
(Guy) What are the common criticisms
about the incel community? Is it that
you feel entitled to sex or intimacy?
(Guy) Do you believe that you deserve sex
or intimacy from a woman?
(Derrick) I think everybody,
at some level, deserves someone that they-
someone that loves them and, you know,
respects them as long as you're also
loving and respectful towards that person, y'know.
(Derrick) They're equal, y'know,
you're not like, seeking someone beyond yourself,
y'know, you don't have, like,
too high standards, I suppose.
(Derrick) You know.
(Girl) If you can tell the world about
something, about being incel, that, you know,
that may not be on the internet, or that's overlooked heavily,
what would it be?
(Derrick) I don't know, I think it's mostly that
most of the men are not inherently bad people,
a lot of them are just lonely,
they just need some help, really.
(Girl) Okay.
Would you say that there's anything
that other people can do
to help guide or just support or...?
(Derrick) Y'know, the lonely person in your class,
the lonely person in your workplace,
maybe he's an incel, he's not letting you know,
or he's just kind of afraid,
you wanna do something positive,
just be nice, say "hi", try make friends with them,
you don't have to date them,
you don't have to whatever, just
you know, brighten up someone lonely's day, I suppose.
(Girl) Oh, okay. Noted! Thank you.
(Girl) You don't wanna be an incel? (Derrick) No. laughs
(Girl) Why not? (Derrick) Well, I mean,
it's part of the whole "involuntarily" thing,
I mean, y'know, you wanna try and escape it,
you wanna be something better, y'know.
(Derrick) You wanna, uh, get a wife,
get a girlfriend, get someone who loves you
and spend your life with them, and
be happy and...
What's one thing you wish people
understood better about you?
I don't know, I guess I wish people
would recognise, um,
(Derrick) how much effort I'm trying, I suppose,
like, y'know, I'm working out typically daily,
I've lost over a hundred pounds,
I'm out there job hunting, actively.
I don't think people recognise how much
effort the incels in general try to put
into bettering themselves.
(Derrick) I would say, y'know,
people don't recognise their effort,
they just assume they're all lazy, and sad
and angry at women, and... Just giving up.
Things of that nature, I suppose.
Okay.
(Derrick) You don't have to see the bad things
in the world and then come out a bad person,
you can just see the bad things in the world and then...
Improve upon yourself because of them, I suppose.
(Guy) So you do have hope?
(Derrick) Yeah, yeah, I have hope, yeah.
(Derrick) I'm a very hopeful person, I suppose.
(Guy) I won't lie: this went a lot differently
than I thought it would.
(Guy) I thought we'd be yelling at each other, y'know.
(Girl) It was nice to meet you.
(Derrick) It was nice to meet you too.
(Behind camera) Thank you so much. (Girl) Thanks so much.
(Phil) Hello, thanks for watching the video.
(Phil) I hope you liked it.
(Derrick) Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe.
(Derrick) Comment as well...
(Derrick) I already said that...
(Derrick) Cut that part out.
(Phil) No, we'll keep that. Thanks for watching.