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(Girl) If you can summarise your opinion

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towards women.

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(Derrick) Like, what i think of them?

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(Girl) Yes.

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I do think they are very important, BUT...

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(Man) Some topics are hard to approach.

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(Woman) More and more male hatred against

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women is rising up.

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You might call this a new phenomenon.

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(Man) Either the subjects are inaccessible or

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people are uncomfortable discussing them.

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If you’re an ugly guy, you better get a good job,

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make some money, 'cuz nobody is gonna

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wanna talk to you.

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Girls, I will destroy you.

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YOU DONT DESERVE TO GET LAID

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AT ALL!

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(Man) So we found those subjects in person,

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rented a space in Hollywood

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and invited our audience and

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any strangers walking by to come inside

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and ask them anything.

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<i>sighs</i> Okay, uh,

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hey I’m Brendeal (?)

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I also go by Derrick,

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I, uh, I’m an incel

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and I’m here to answer

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people’s question about the topic.

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I can start?

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(Girl) Hi, how are you?

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(Derrick) Hi, I'm good.

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So, you're... An incel.

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(Derrick) Yes.

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(Guy) Why would you ever sign up to do this?

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I suppose I would want to

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Give more or a positive light on this community

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(Derrick) Which has a very negative light upon it.

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(Guy) Okay, and do you think that's a good thing?[br](Derrick) Yes.

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(Guy) Why is that?[br](Derrick) Because a lot of boys in this community

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aren't bad people.

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(Guy) But you acknowledge that a good handful of them are, right?

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(Derrick) Not a good handful, I've seen a small handful.

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Who hurt you, or what happened?

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What events sort of catalysed

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(Girl) this way of thinking, and you getting into this kind of research?

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Uh... Society? <i>laughs</i> Uuuh...

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(Guy) Do you hate women?[br](Derrick) No.

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(Guy) No.[br](Derrick) No.

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Do you have a female role model in your life?

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(Derrick) A female role model...[br](Girl) Yeah, like your mom,

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(Girl) or an aunt, or a friend.

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I mean, I love my mom.

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(Derrick) I wouldn't necessarily consider her a role model,

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but I do love her quite a bit.

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If a woman was elected as president of the United States,

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how would you react?

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<i>Derrick chuckles</i>

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(Derrick) Um, I don't know, it probably would depend on the- on the woman.

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(Derrick) I probably wouldn't be supportive of her, honestly, but...

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<i>Derrick laughs</i>

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Why do you say that, if you don't mind me asking?

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I do think that, you know,

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men should be the leaders, and

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women should be the care givers, and you know,

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the loving and supporting, the teachers, in some cases.

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Since women of colour, or just women in general,

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(Girl) have been oppressed by certain systems,

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and other oppressed communities, especially LGBTQ+,

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all those, those that don't really fit with the spectrum

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that incels, or you, have been talking about,

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so, why do you think your method of thought

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would help fix what we have today?

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(Derrick) I probably wouldn't view things

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you might view as "oppression" as oppression,

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(Derrick) I have a feeling. Uhm, I would view it more as

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uh, how we treat children that we love.

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(Derrick) We control them, but we control them

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lovingly, not as a slave, not as we're

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forcing them to do things against their will;

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I would view it more as a loving, domestic thing in the past,

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and I would say that if we were to do it in a civilised way,

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maybe in a more- even in a Christian way,

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even though I'm not really advocating for a certain

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religion or ideology, um, I would assume

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that women would probably be happier,

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I wouldn't just assume that blindly, I would assume that

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based on the data that I've seen.

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(Girl) What data have you seen that has brought you

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to this conclusion? Because I'm now curious

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where I can get this data from.

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(Derrick) Um, I couldn't reference it off hand, but

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I believe there is a study that- I can't

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remember the name of it off the top of my head.

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(Girl) Okay.

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What do you think it is about liberal areas

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that creates behaviour in women that you

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think is a problem?

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Promiscuity leads to

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increased standards in more primitive aspects,

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such as looks.

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(Derrick) Um, and that typically makes it harder

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for some people to find a relationship,

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including sometimes good-looking people.

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(Derrick) There's guys, who are

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much better looking than I am,

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who are having a really hard time

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finding someone in a place like LA or in London

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or in Auckland, New Zealand;

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but they probably would have

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a perfectly fine time finding, you know,

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a woman somewhere else.

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(Girl) So you think that promiscuity is the problem,

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and that if people were more monogamist and

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more, um, withholding, that would sort of

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fix society?

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(Derrick) Yes, I suppose if people were more traditionalist.

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(Girl) There have been a few mass shootings

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in the past, where the shooters

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actually stated that they were incels, or

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radicalised,

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what do you think about their actions?

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(Derrick) I condemn their actions.

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(Derrick) I don't believe in violence,

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I don't believe violence is the solution,

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I don't believe attacking random people

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is gonna fix anything, whether they're, you know, women or men.

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(Derrick) I do think that the reason why

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they committed those actions was probably

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because of- out of desperation, or out of,

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you know, mental problems;

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they probably could've been prevented

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had the right support been there in their community,

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in their household, if they've, you know-

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if people, y'know, saw what they were posting

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and saw what they were experiencing in life,

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and did something to help them.

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(Guy) Was there like a

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pivotal moment in your life, like

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a straw that broke the metaphorical camel's back?

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(Derrick) You know, it's constant years of rejection,

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no matter who the person was,

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constant years of rejection and other aspects of my life.

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(Derrick) It did kind of push me towards more, I suppose, "radical"

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um, beliefs, but I suppose they're only, like

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radical, but they're more like

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just "old beliefs", really.

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(Guy) No, uh, it sounds like, uh,

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I had another metaphor, like

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death by a thousand cuts, you know,

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it's not like one pivotal moment,

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but it sounds like a bunch of things built up

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(Guy) over time.[br](Derrick) Yeah.

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(Guy) What are the common criticisms

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about the incel community? Is it that

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you feel entitled to sex or intimacy?

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(Guy) Do you believe that you deserve sex

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or intimacy from a woman?

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(Derrick) I think everybody,

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at some level, deserves someone that they-

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someone that loves them and, you know,

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respects them as long as you're also

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loving and respectful towards that person, y'know.

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(Derrick) They're equal, y'know,

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you're not like, seeking someone beyond yourself,

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y'know, you don't have, like,

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too high standards, I suppose.

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(Derrick) You know.

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(Girl) If you can tell the world about

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something, about being incel, that, you know,

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that may not be on the internet, or that's overlooked heavily,

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what would it be?

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(Derrick) I don't know, I think it's mostly that

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most of the men are not inherently bad people,

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a lot of them are just lonely,

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they just need some help, really.

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(Girl) Okay.

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Would you say that there's anything

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that other people can do

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to help guide or just support or...?

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(Derrick) Y'know, the lonely person in your class,

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the lonely person in your workplace,

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maybe he's an incel, he's not letting you know,

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or he's just kind of afraid,

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you wanna do something positive,

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just be nice, say "hi", try make friends with them,

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you don't have to date them,

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you don't have to whatever, just

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you know, brighten up someone lonely's day, I suppose.

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(Girl) Oh, okay. Noted! Thank you.

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(Girl) You don't wanna be an incel?[br](Derrick) No. <i>laughs</i>

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(Girl) Why not?[br](Derrick) Well, I mean,

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it's part of the whole "involuntarily" thing,

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I mean, y'know, you wanna try and escape it,

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you wanna be something better, y'know.

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(Derrick) You wanna, uh, get a wife,

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get a girlfriend, get someone who loves you

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and spend your life with them, and

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be happy and...

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What's one thing you wish people

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understood better about you?

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I don't know, I guess I wish people

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would recognise, um,

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(Derrick) how much effort I'm trying, I suppose,

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like, y'know, I'm working out typically daily,

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I've lost over a hundred pounds,

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I'm out there job hunting, actively.

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I don't think people recognise how much

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effort the incels in general try to put

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into bettering themselves.

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(Derrick) I would say, y'know,

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people don't recognise their effort,

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they just assume they're all lazy, and sad

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and angry at women, and... Just giving up.

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Things of that nature, I suppose.

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Okay.

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(Derrick) You don't have to see the bad things

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in the world and then come out a bad person,

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you can just see the bad things in the world and then...

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Improve upon yourself because of them, I suppose.

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(Guy) So you do have hope?

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(Derrick) Yeah, yeah, I have hope, yeah.

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(Derrick) I'm a very hopeful person, I suppose.

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(Guy) I won't lie: this went a lot differently

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than I thought it would.

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(Guy) I thought we'd be yelling at each other, y'know.

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(Girl) It was nice to meet you.

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(Derrick) It was nice to meet you too.

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(Behind camera) Thank you so much.[br](Girl) Thanks so much.

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(Phil) Hello, thanks for watching the video.

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(Phil) I hope you liked it.

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(Derrick) Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe.

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(Derrick) Comment as well...

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(Derrick) I already said that...

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(Derrick) Cut that part out.

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(Phil) No, we'll keep that. Thanks for watching.