0:00:11.000,0:00:14.000 So why is the Chinese economy [br]in so much trouble right now? 0:00:14.000,0:00:20.000 Well actually, this shouldn't come as a surprise. [br]If you've been watching China over the last several decades, 0:00:20.000,0:00:25.000 you can understand how the current problems [br]actually fall out of a lot of their earlier successes. 0:00:25.000,0:00:30.000 The story starts in 1979. And in 1979, 0:00:30.000,0:00:35.000 you have Chinese reformers starting to do [br]a good deal to put the Chinese economy on 0:00:35.000,0:00:40.000 a sounder track. At that time, [br]Chinese per capita income 0:00:40.000,0:00:45.000 was only a few hundred dollars a year, [br]almost everyone was very poor, 0:00:45.500,0:00:50.000 people would ride bicycles rather than driving [br]cars, and even starvation was still a possibility. 0:00:50.000,0:00:55.000 So China introduces more private [br]property, more capitalistic 0:00:55.000,0:01:00.000 incentives, it privatizes some of its [br]agriculture, it allows more manufacturing, 0:01:00.000,0:01:05.000 more exporting. Overall, China starts [br]moving toward being a modern 0:01:05.000,0:01:10.000 economy, a normal economy. [br]And once these reforms are underway, 0:01:10.000,0:01:15.000 China is growing at really an astonishing [br]pace. For a lot of the last 35 years, 0:01:15.000,0:01:20.000 China has been growing at around 10% a year. 0:01:20.000,0:01:25.000 That's amazing! The American economy typically [br]doesn't grow at much more than 2% a year. 0:01:25.000,0:01:30.000 At 10% a year growth, that means that [br]living standards double about every 7 years. 0:01:30.000,0:01:35.000 So if you go back, you keep on visiting [br]China, it's as if every 7 years, 0:01:40.000,0:01:45.000 every 10 years, you get to see an [br]entirely new country. For me personally, China 0:01:45.000,0:01:50.000 They have grown at a pace that no other place [br]has matched. Imagine about 10% a year growth 0:01:50.000,0:01:55.000 for almost 35 years. That has [br]transformed everything. So even 0:01:55.000,0:02:00.000 year to year, parts of a city or a neighborhood [br]can simply change before your eyes. 0:02:00.000,0:02:05.000 So you see human progress at work, you [br]see what took some parts of the world 0:02:05.000,0:02:10.000 centuries to achieve, happening [br]in decades or even years. 0:02:10.000,0:02:15.000 You see human hope and faith and progress, and [br]a deep underlying optimism about what is possible. 0:02:15.000,0:02:20.000 So the Chinese economy during these years[br]of rapid growth - it had some very notable features. 0:02:20.000,0:02:25.000 It had high levels of savings, it [br]had super high levels of investment, 0:02:25.000,0:02:30.000 and they build lots and lots of infrastructure. [br]And those were all very positive. 0:02:30.000,0:02:35.000 It's wonderful how good the infrastructure is [br]in China. I would much rather ride on a Chinese 0:02:35.000,0:02:40.000 high-speed rail train than take the [br]Amtrak from Washington, D.C. to New York City. 0:02:40.000,0:02:45.000 The Chinese train is quicker, nicer, [br]and it's far more likely to be on time. 0:02:45.000,0:02:50.000 But here’s the thing - for a long time China [br]has been investing almost half of its GDP 0:02:50.000,0:02:55.000 every year, half! That's astonishing. [br]When you think about it, 0:02:55.000,0:03:00.000 it is remarkably hard, every year, to [br]invest half of your GDP and to invest it well. 0:03:00.000,0:03:05.000 In the early years of China's economic [br]growth, the required investments were pretty simple 0:03:05.000,0:03:10.000 and straightforward. They needed to build more [br]homes, they needed to put in more train lines, 0:03:10.000,0:03:15.000 they needed to build more roads, they [br]needed to equip their urban centers with 0:03:15.000,0:03:20.000 all of the normal features of everyday modern [br]life. And the Chinese government did a really good 0:03:20.000,0:03:25.000 job at all of those things. It's a big reason [br]why, actually, China's growth has been so strong. 0:03:25.000,0:03:30.000 But the problem is this - the way [br]decision making in China is set up - 0:03:30.000,0:03:35.000 it's very good for achieving things [br]with a kind of checklist - known tasks 0:03:35.000,0:03:40.000 that require a lot of resources and a lot of effort, [br]and you throw everything you have at getting it done, 0:03:40.000,0:03:45.000 and you get it done pretty quickly. [br]China has been great at that. 0:03:45.000,0:03:50.000 But now, a lot of that low-hanging fruit is gone. [br]A lot of the infrastructure which China needs 0:03:50.000,0:03:55.000 already has been built, but now their [br]economy need more complex investment. 0:03:55.000,0:04:00.000 They need a better healthcare system, they need [br]better retail services, they need more startups. 0:04:00.000,0:04:05.000 And in these areas, there’s not a simple [br]checklist way to get it done. It's 0:04:05.000,0:04:10.000 not just a question of throwing resources at the [br]problem. You need more trial and error, more experimentation, 0:04:10.000,0:04:15.000 you need more of a market discovery [br]process to figure out which 0:04:15.000,0:04:20.000 are the profitable investments and which [br]are the unprofitable ones. And it’s hard 0:04:20.000,0:04:25.000 to plan and manage those the same ways that the [br]Chinese did that with all of their infrastructure. 0:04:25.000,0:04:30.000 Here is another problem with the Chinese [br]economic model. If your economy grows 10% a year 0:04:30.000,0:04:35.000 or so for so long, businessmen and also [br]your governments, they start thinking 0:04:35.000,0:04:40.000 there isn't much risk. At 10% growth, [br]there so much forward impetus. 0:04:40.000,0:04:45.000 You can have a business plan with a lot of mistakes, [br]you can have a lot of debt, you can be very poor on execution, 0:04:45.000,0:04:55.000 but a lot of those investments are still [br]going to make money at about 10% growth. 0:04:55.000,0:05:00.000 So what happens is, the underlying economy loses some of its discipline. People get sloppy, they overextend, they become too optimistic. 0:05:00.000,0:05:05.000 They think they can make any investment or any [br]decision and somehow it will pay off or be validated, 0:05:05.000,0:05:10.000 just because everyone else is [br]pushing on that 10% rate of growth. 0:05:10.000,0:05:15.000 A turning point for the Chinese economy comes [br]in 2009 when there’s a significant recession in 0:05:15.000,0:05:20.000 many other parts of the world. At the [br]time, a lot of observers thought, 0:05:20.000,0:05:25.000 "Well, there’s going to be a big recession [br]in China too." But there wasn't. 0:05:25.000,0:05:30.000 The Chinese government undertook some very special steps [br]to avoid or maybe just postpone that recession. 0:05:30.000,0:05:35.000 So the Chinese government spent a lot [br]more money on infrastructure at a time 0:05:35.000,0:05:40.000 where maybe less infrastructure [br]investment was called for. 0:05:40.000,0:05:45.000 The Chinese government, the state-owned banks, [br]the state-owned companies, acted in concert 0:05:45.000,0:05:50.000 to encourage a lot more borrowing, a lot more [br]debt. And it's true - this did spur spending, 0:05:50.000,0:05:55.000 it boosted investment, kept the [br]economy running at a higher level, 0:05:55.000,0:06:00.000 but actually debt rose to the point where [br]it was too high relative to the rates of return 0:06:00.000,0:06:05.000 available on those projects. [br]So now, we don't have very exact 0:06:05.000,0:06:10.000 measures, but it seems that total Chinese [br]debt of all kinds is well over 200% 0:06:10.000,0:06:15.000 of GDP. Possibly as high as 300% of GDP. And 0:06:15.000,0:06:20.000 maybe that can work when your underlying rate [br]of growth is 10%, but as your underlying rate 0:06:20.000,0:06:25.000 of economic growth falls, it's harder and [br]harder for that debt to be sustainable. 0:06:25.000,0:06:30.000 So how much is China growing today? [br]Well it depends who you listen to. 0:06:30.000,0:06:35.000 The Chinese government, circa 2015, is [br]claiming China is still growing 0:06:35.000,0:06:40.000 at about 7% a year. But not many [br]external observers believe this, 0:06:40.000,0:06:45.000 because they’re looking at other pieces of data. [br]No one is sure what the real rate of economic growth is, 0:06:45.000,0:06:50.000 but what we know is that [br]it is probably sharply lower 0:06:50.000,0:06:55.000 and China is now entering [br]a great recession. 0:06:55.000,0:07:00.000 To track this recession, we can keep [br]in mind five issues or problem areas: 0:07:00.000,0:07:05.000 the real estate bubble, the stock market [br]bubble, the excess level of municipal debt, 0:07:05.000,0:07:10.000 excess capacity among Chinese businesses, [br]and finally, the risk of capital flight. 0:07:10.000,0:07:15.000 The first of these is - the real estate bubble. 0:07:15.000,0:07:20.000 Chinese property prices became too high in [br]many Chinese cities and China overbuilt. 0:07:20.000,0:07:25.000 I took a train trip from Beijing through the [br]center of the country, a six hour train trip. 0:07:25.000,0:07:30.000 And along the way, I kept on [br]seeing city after city 0:07:30.000,0:07:35.000 with dozens and dozens of apartment blocks. [br]You would see so many buildings, but so few people, 0:07:35.000,0:07:40.000 so few retail stores, so few cars. [br]Many of those cities are 0:07:40.000,0:07:45.000 grossly overbuilt, relative [br]to what can be supported. 0:07:45.000,0:07:50.000 The Chinese stock market bubble is another [br]potential problem. For a while, Chinese stock prices 0:07:50.000,0:07:55.000 were rising rapidly, but [br]then they fell rapidly too. 0:07:55.000,0:08:00.000 Too many people were encouraged to buy stocks [br]on margin, the ratio of prices to corporate earnings 0:08:00.000,0:08:05.000 has been extremely high, and probably those stock [br]prices will continue to fall at a pretty rapid pace. 0:08:05.000,0:08:10.000 That will depress consumer [br]spending, lower confidence 0:08:10.000,0:08:15.000 and it also will be a problem for some Chinese [br]banks. The third problem is municipal debt. 0:08:15.000,0:08:20.000 No one really knows exactly how big a [br]problem this is. We do know that Chinese 0:08:20.000,0:08:25.000 municipal governments were not supposed to [br]be able to borrow money, they were supposed 0:08:25.000,0:08:30.000 to run balanced budgets. But in fact, a lot [br]of them ended up borrowing money off the books, 0:08:30.000,0:08:35.000 and in fact they were encouraged by the [br]central government to do this, to keep 0:08:35.000,0:08:40.000 up that expenditure on all the infrastructure. But [br]what’s happened is, they borrowed a lot more than right 0:08:40.000,0:08:45.000 now they are able to pay back. And the central [br]government in Beijing is feeling the need 0:08:45.000,0:08:50.000 to try to bail out these municipal governments. [br]Another big problem in the Chinese economy 0:08:50.000,0:08:55.000 is what I would call "excess capacity". That is, [br]in too many sectors you have too many firms, 0:08:55.000,0:09:00.000 you have too much overconfidence, too much [br]stimulation of investment, and a lot of those companies 0:09:00.000,0:09:05.000 probably are not profitable. They're being kept [br]afloat by cheap credit by Chinese 0:09:05.000,0:09:10.000 state-owned banks, or they may be Chinese [br]state-owned companies themselves, which 0:09:10.000,0:09:15.000 have political privileges of various kinds. [br]But a lot of those companies right now, 0:09:15.000,0:09:20.000 They’re not making really productive investments [br]in the kinds of things that Chinese consumers want. 0:09:20.000,0:09:25.000 If you look at price indices, if you look at [br]the index for producer prices in China, 0:09:25.000,0:09:30.000 that's one measure of this excess capacity. 0:09:30.000,0:09:35.000 That index actually has been falling now for over three years [br]running, falling every month. That's a sign that too many 0:09:35.000,0:09:40.000 producer goods have been built [br]for what can be sustained profitably. 0:09:40.000,0:09:46.000 So maybe the biggest potential problem is capital [br]flight. There’s a risk that capital within China, 0:09:46.000,0:09:55.000 foreign capital, but specially domestic capital, seeks to [br]leave the country out of fear of China's economic problems. 0:09:55.000,0:10:00.000 But if too much of this capital leaves the country, that actually makes the problems much worse. As we saw with the Asian financial 0:10:00.000,0:10:05.000 crisis in the 1990's for other countries. [br]The big danger in China is simply that 0:10:05.000,0:10:10.000 capital flight accelerates. But in the meantime, [br]think of the problems the Chinese government 0:10:10.000,0:10:15.000 has trying to manage all of this. There are [br]a lot of firms which are no longer profitable, 0:10:15.000,0:10:20.000 but the government’s reluctant to let them [br]go bankrupt because of fear of unemployment 0:10:20.000,0:10:25.000 and also alienating special interest groups. There’s [br]too much credit and too much borrowing in the economy, 0:10:25.000,0:10:30.000 but if that bubble is burst, well then [br]economic activity will fall all the more. 0:10:30.000,0:10:35.000 There's been too much investment in real estate, [br]there’s too much continuing reliance on infrastructure, 0:10:35.000,0:10:40.000 and somehow the government is supposed [br]to juggle all of these balls at once 0:10:40.000,0:10:45.000 and stop the recession from getting worse. [br]When you put all of those issues together, 0:10:45.000,0:10:50.000 it is indeed a very complex picture, [br]very difficult to understand. But what we see 0:10:50.000,0:10:55.000 is that the world's number two economy really [br]is running a very serious risk of a recession 0:10:55.000,0:11:00.000 which will be deep, and also may last [br]really quite some number of years. 0:11:00.000,0:11:05.000 My personal view is that, at this point, these [br]problems are so deeply baked into the Chinese economy, 0:11:05.000,0:11:10.000 there is no way to set this all right. [br]But still there are some major reasons 0:11:10.000,0:11:15.000 to be optimistic looking forward. First, [br]the most important source of wealth in any economy is 0:11:15.000,0:11:20.000 human capital. The Chinese have [br]done a fantastic job investing 0:11:20.000,0:11:25.000 in their own human capital. So from [br]the economist’s point of view, which values 0:11:25.000,0:11:30.000 human capital above all else, as the most fundamental [br]source of national wealth. When we look at the future 0:11:30.000,0:11:35.000 of China in the medium-term prospects, [br]we really should be optimistic 0:11:35.000,0:11:40.000 or even cheery. Because China has [br]invested very well in human capital. 0:11:40.000,0:11:45.000 Those investments will survive the [br]current recession intact, and we have 0:11:45.000,0:11:50.000 every reason to believe that China will be extending the [br]talents, energies, drives, and ambitions of its people, 0:12:22.000,0:12:25.000 Subtitles by the Amara.org community