0:00:06.665,0:00:11.817 This mountain of rubble is a monument[br]to the 1100 lives lost here last April, 0:00:13.487,0:00:16.576 when this garment factory [br]collapsed in Bangladesh, 0:00:18.297,0:00:22.255 unleashing the stories that [br]has long been locked inside. 0:00:22.255,0:00:27.002 A thousand people died and[br]no one said a thing. 0:00:27.002,0:00:29.143 Do you recognize these shorts? 0:00:29.143,0:00:32.236 We meet the people who make your clothes, 0:00:33.396,0:00:36.110 and find out where those cloths were made. 0:00:36.110,0:00:39.061 This your address.[br]This is where this came from. 0:00:40.111,0:00:43.319 The truth that retailers don't [br]want you to know. 0:00:43.319,0:00:46.608 You've been hit. You've been hit. 0:00:46.608,0:00:52.533 Do any of you worry that one day[br]you may die in your factory? 0:00:52.533,0:00:55.306 Of course. Of course. 0:00:55.306,0:00:57.382 Dangerous factories. 0:00:57.382,0:00:59.617 And dark secrets. 0:01:02.507,0:01:05.662 Hi, I'm Mark Kelly and welcome[br]to "The Fifth Estate." 0:01:05.662,0:01:09.295 I'm standing by the rubble[br]of what was once Rana Plaza. 0:01:09.295,0:01:11.881 When the 8-story factory [br]collapsed in April, 0:01:11.881,0:01:14.430 a frantic search for survivors began. 0:01:14.430,0:01:16.824 So too did the search for answers. 0:01:16.824,0:01:20.358 How, the world wondered, could a[br]disaster like this happen? 0:01:20.358,0:01:23.869 We'll join that search when[br]we learned many of the victims 0:01:23.869,0:01:27.242 died here making cloths for[br]Canadian consumers. 0:01:27.242,0:01:31.220 Along the way, we uncovered this ledger[br]pulled from the rubble 0:01:31.220,0:01:33.460 and using the information inside here 0:01:33.460,0:01:36.218 we spent months piecing together clues 0:01:36.218,0:01:40.146 that would reveal how and where [br]your cloths are being made. 0:01:40.146,0:01:42.550 And what we would also discover is that 0:01:42.550,0:01:45.667 the disaster that happened here [br]was no accident. 0:01:48.177,0:01:52.985 Fashion is built on an image [br]of beauty, glamour and style. 0:01:54.695,0:01:58.413 Creations that not only make you[br]look good, but feel good. 0:01:59.813,0:02:02.078 Cloths without a conscience. 0:02:02.688,0:02:06.735 The reality of the fashion[br]industry is far less glamorous. 0:02:06.735,0:02:10.577 A reality Canadian retailers[br]don't want you to know about. 0:02:11.457,0:02:16.549 It's known as the race to the bottom,[br]where the cheapest prices win. 0:02:16.549,0:02:20.478 A race that created fast fashion. 0:02:20.478,0:02:23.172 And that's why today, many of your cloths 0:02:23.172,0:02:26.767 bear the label made in Bangladesh. 0:02:29.937,0:02:32.407 It was that glamour [br]of the fashion industry 0:02:32.407,0:02:34.456 that spoke to Sujeet Sennik. 0:02:34.456,0:02:38.288 Even as a teenager Growing up in[br]the suburb in Toronto. 0:02:39.048,0:02:40.725 I'm from a South Asian family. 0:02:40.725,0:02:42.339 My father is a doctor. 0:02:42.339,0:02:46.420 And they wanted me to sort of[br]follow that path. 0:02:46.420,0:02:50.523 I was super creative, [br]so it was a way for me to say, 0:02:50.523,0:02:52.483 hey listen, there's a job for me. 0:02:52.483,0:02:55.167 It's an actual commercial career. 0:02:55.167,0:02:59.627 He went to a couture school and[br]turned a dream into a dream job: 0:02:59.627,0:03:04.368 designing for Christian Dior and[br]Balenciaga in Paris. 0:03:05.758,0:03:09.410 It was like a fish finding a pond. 0:03:09.410,0:03:14.344 It gave me a way out, [br]a way to, you know, lead my own life. 0:03:14.344,0:03:18.376 It gave me my freedom, [br]and it gave me everything. 0:03:18.376,0:03:22.126 But the growing popularity and [br]increasing demand for fast fashion 0:03:22.126,0:03:26.961 led him back to Toronto to design [br]$20 blouses for Walmart. 0:03:26.961,0:03:31.561 Instead of Paris, his fashion[br]focus was Bangladesh. 0:03:31.561,0:03:34.218 There was a natural flow [br]towards Bangladesh 0:03:34.218,0:03:38.019 because of fast fashion [br]in the last ten years. 0:03:38.019,0:03:41.384 And trying to get clothes[br]cheaper and cheaper. 0:03:41.384,0:03:45.168 But I think when the recession[br]hit people ran for the price, 0:03:45.168,0:03:47.617 you know, it was Mecca. 0:03:47.617,0:03:49.485 It was Mecca. 0:03:50.315,0:03:54.322 But the road to Mecca decimated [br]Canada's garment industry. 0:03:54.322,0:04:00.459 From 2001 to 2010, 75,000 jobs[br]were lost here. 0:04:00.459,0:04:03.790 Many deep-rooted manufacturers[br]had a stark choice... 0:04:03.790,0:04:06.383 Move or close. 0:04:06.383,0:04:09.621 My great-grandfather was a rag dealer. 0:04:09.621,0:04:14.910 He used to go from Sherbrooke to[br]Montreal in a horse and buggy, 0:04:14.910,0:04:18.585 buying rags from the farmers. 0:04:19.227,0:04:22.165 Barry Laxer's family has been [br]in the garments business 0:04:22.165,0:04:24.706 in Montreal and Toronto [br]for 3 generations 0:04:24.706,0:04:27.921 but he was forced to [br]pack it all up for price. 0:04:28.931,0:04:31.548 My single largest customer[br]that at the time in Canada 0:04:31.548,0:04:34.667 accounted for over 50% of our volume 0:04:34.667,0:04:37.473 told us that to continue doing business 0:04:37.473,0:04:41.857 we need to find a lower cost [br]manufacturing base somewhere else. 0:04:41.857,0:04:43.364 And that was Bangladesh. 0:04:43.368,0:04:45.475 It turned out to be Bangladesh. 0:04:47.455,0:04:51.490 Companies around the world were [br]now beating a path to Bangladesh. 0:04:51.490,0:04:55.426 From H&M to Walmart, Nike and the GAP. 0:04:56.626,0:04:59.707 Barry Laxer joined that garment Gold Rush. 0:04:59.707,0:05:02.417 Today, his company Radical Designs 0:05:02.417,0:05:06.279 runs two factories outside Dhaka,[br]the capital of Bangladesh. 0:05:07.999,0:05:12.021 At least half the machines in[br]this factory all came from Canada. 0:05:12.021,0:05:14.920 We had like 80 containers of[br]machinery that came here. 0:05:14.920,0:05:17.042 You just rushed it over[br]here to do business. 0:05:17.042,0:05:20.294 We just, it wasn't doing[br]anything in Toronto. 0:05:20.294,0:05:23.165 Now he employed more than 1000 people 0:05:23.165,0:05:27.170 and he pays them 3 times the minimum wage. 0:05:27.170,0:05:28.768 When you own a factory, 0:05:28.768,0:05:32.682 nothing is better than walking[br]through and seeing it full. 0:05:32.682,0:05:33.772 And busy. 0:05:33.772,0:05:35.360 And busy, yeah. 0:05:35.360,0:05:38.307 You've built quite an empire here, Barry. 0:05:38.307,0:05:41.425 What's the allure for companies[br]to come to Bangladesh? 0:05:41.425,0:05:44.127 Here, the real allure is labour. 0:05:44.127,0:05:49.915 The workers will work for wages[br]that most countries won't, 0:05:49.915,0:05:51.797 because there's no alternative. 0:05:51.797,0:05:56.851 Working for next to nothing is[br]better than working for nothing. 0:05:57.931,0:06:02.138 In real terms, next to nothing [br]is $38 a month... 0:06:02.138,0:06:04.200 or 24 cents an hour. 0:06:04.200,0:06:08.389 The lowest garment worker [br]wage on the planet. 0:06:10.899,0:06:13.769 The floodgates for [br]Canadian business opened 0:06:13.769,0:06:18.446 when Ottawa dropped import duties [br]from Bangladesh in 2003. 0:06:18.446,0:06:22.810 Canadian companies like Lululemon, [br]HBC and Walmart Canada 0:06:22.810,0:06:26.171 climbed aboard the Bangladeshi band wagon. 0:06:26.171,0:06:30.515 The result, imports grew by 618%. 0:06:32.325,0:06:34.807 Some say the front-runner [br]in the race to the bottom 0:06:34.807,0:06:37.495 was Loblaw brand Joe Fresh. 0:06:37.495,0:06:42.351 These TV ads shows the appeal of[br]its cheap and cheerful clothing line. 0:06:42.351,0:06:45.700 The line has bounced its way to[br]one of the top spots 0:06:45.700,0:06:49.285 in the children's wear market in Canada. 0:06:50.415,0:06:53.652 Speaking to the CBC in 2010[br]the company president said 0:06:53.652,0:06:56.822 he's just giving consumers [br]what they want. 0:06:56.822,0:06:58.379 They wanted fashion, 0:06:58.379,0:07:00.772 and they wanted fashion [br]that would play across the country 0:07:00.772,0:07:03.766 and they needed it [br]at amazing price points. 0:07:05.086,0:07:08.607 Joseph Mimran was now [br]a fast fashion icon. 0:07:08.607,0:07:11.912 But just how low could prices go? 0:07:12.762,0:07:15.478 Well look at this TV Ad for Walmart. 0:07:15.478,0:07:17.876 Clearly, the lower the better. 0:07:17.876,0:07:20.612 Now more styles, and more stylish 0:07:20.612,0:07:22.609 all at unbelievable prices 0:07:22.609,0:07:25.186 Exclusively at Walmart. 0:07:25.186,0:07:27.657 For designers like Sujeet Sennik, 0:07:27.657,0:07:30.859 beauty took a backseat to price. 0:07:30.859,0:07:34.735 What was the pressure put on you[br]to make cheaper and cheaper clothes? 0:07:34.735,0:07:37.188 Price is the starting point.[br]It's everything. 0:07:37.188,0:07:38.787 It was down to... 0:07:38.787,0:07:41.795 You got 6 buttons on your shirt,[br]take it down to 5. 0:07:41.795,0:07:44.060 Can we take it down to 4? 0:07:44.060,0:07:47.935 Sennik says he felt the pressure [br]from retailers to cut costs, 0:07:47.935,0:07:50.211 and so did the factory owners. 0:07:50.211,0:07:54.403 They can't say no to, to a[br]hundred thousand units. 0:07:54.403,0:07:56.141 That means a very long time that 0:07:56.141,0:08:00.106 the factory is going to be sitting idle[br]if they don't get that order. 0:08:00.106,0:08:01.420 So they needed you. 0:08:01.420,0:08:03.501 They need you. They need you. 0:08:03.501,0:08:07.712 And, you know, at the end of the day,[br]that's not my decision, 0:08:07.712,0:08:10.802 but, like... 0:08:10.802,0:08:13.755 I started wondering, Mark,[br]I really started wondering, 0:08:13.755,0:08:19.399 how is it possible for clothing to be[br]made at these low prices? 0:08:19.399,0:08:20.949 It's a good question. 0:08:20.949,0:08:26.893 Because while price was the priority,[br]there was signs worker safety was not. 0:08:26.893,0:08:30.737 In the decade before Rana Plaza,[br]hundreds of people died 0:08:30.737,0:08:35.258 in factory fires and building [br]collapses in Bangladesh. 0:08:36.748,0:08:39.529 Tragedy after tragedy, year after year, 0:08:39.529,0:08:42.508 and no one in Canada[br]seemed to notice. 0:08:42.508,0:08:45.533 That changed in the morning of April 24, 0:08:49.953,0:08:54.318 when the eight-storey [br]Rana Plaza collapsed. 0:08:58.202,0:09:01.666 More than 1100 people were killed. 0:09:03.512,0:09:06.309 Hundreds are still missing,[br] 0:09:07.596,0:09:10.233 believed to be buried in the rubble. 0:09:11.761,0:09:15.284 Tell me what happened when[br]you learned about Rana Plaza. 0:09:15.284,0:09:20.316 It was like, if you start [br]having nightmares 0:09:20.316,0:09:23.535 and then they become real, 0:09:23.535,0:09:27.150 that was what Rana Plaza was for me. 0:09:27.930,0:09:31.769 The search for survivors [br]seemed to drag on and on. 0:09:33.439,0:09:36.236 Save us brother, I beg you brother. 0:09:36.236,0:09:38.518 I want to live. 0:09:38.518,0:09:40.652 Sujeet remembers being called into [br] 0:09:40.652,0:09:42.903 one particular meeting [br]after the collapse, 0:09:42.903,0:09:46.223 where profits were put ahead of people. 0:09:46.633,0:09:51.167 We were in a room full of people[br]when we were told we were connected. 0:09:51.167,0:09:55.493 And no one said anything [br]about 1000 people. 0:09:55.493,0:09:59.835 1000 people died, no one said a thing. 0:09:59.835,0:10:02.441 They didn't, they didn't say[br]anything about them, 0:10:02.441,0:10:06.300 they just talked about their -- [br]the loss in terms of units, 0:10:06.300,0:10:08.553 how are they going to [br]make up their margins. 0:10:08.553,0:10:10.272 People were talking about that. 0:10:10.272,0:10:13.838 And I sat there, I said nothing. 0:10:15.848,0:10:18.437 Shame on me. 0:10:20.117,0:10:22.774 Walmart was just one of [br]dozens of companies 0:10:22.774,0:10:24.685 that had used Rana Plaza. 0:10:24.685,0:10:27.915 At the time of the collapse the[br]biggest company in the building 0:10:27.915,0:10:30.687 was making clothes for Joe Fresh. 0:10:30.687,0:10:33.909 Their pink and red pants were[br]found in the rubble 0:10:33.909,0:10:37.352 along with the bodies [br]of the workers who made them. 0:10:42.662,0:10:44.339 One week after the collapse, 0:10:44.339,0:10:47.563 Joseph Mimran and [br]Loblaw chairman Gale Weston 0:10:47.563,0:10:49.404 faced the glare of the media. 0:10:49.404,0:10:53.162 This has been a -- quite a tragic event... 0:10:53.162,0:10:57.358 ummm, and it's something that [br]has touched all of our hearts -- 0:10:57.358,0:11:00.321 It's been a very difficult [br]week for everybody. 0:11:00.321,0:11:03.592 I'm troubled that despite [br]a clear commitment 0:11:03.592,0:11:06.586 to the highest standards [br]of ethical sourcing 0:11:06.586,0:11:11.796 our company can still be a part[br]of such an unspeakable tragedy. 0:11:11.796,0:11:15.426 But just how deep was that [br]commitment to ethical sourcing? 0:11:15.426,0:11:17.746 What did Canadian companies know about 0:11:17.746,0:11:20.869 how their clothes were [br]being made in Bangladesh. 0:11:20.869,0:11:23.953 And what did they do to find out? 0:11:27.348,0:11:29.498 Sujeet wanted to find the truth. 0:11:29.498,0:11:33.635 So he made a life-changing decision[br]and quit his job. 0:11:33.635,0:11:37.353 I thought, I don't want to be[br]a part of this anymore. 0:11:37.353,0:11:39.470 I can't be a part of this. 0:11:39.470,0:11:41.893 So, I stopped. 0:11:43.763,0:11:45.073 When we come back, 0:11:45.073,0:11:46.583 Sueet's journey. 0:11:46.583,0:11:53.142 Are we sending people to factories[br]knowing that there's a huge danger? 0:11:53.142,0:11:57.172 And a teenaged garment worker [br]who survived the collapse. 0:12:12.733,0:12:17.699 Welcome to the wild west [br]of the global garment industry. 0:12:18.409,0:12:21.891 Bangladesh has one of the[br]world's densest populations, 0:12:21.891,0:12:26.029 political instability and [br]world class corruption. 0:12:26.029,0:12:29.493 And since the 90's, the economy has[br]grown by double digits, 0:12:29.493,0:12:32.718 fueled by fast fashion. 0:12:32.718,0:12:34.359 Factories sit unfinished, 0:12:34.359,0:12:38.956 Just waiting for new floors to be added[br]to accommodate new business. 0:12:38.956,0:12:44.827 And every morning, scenes like this[br]play out through the capital Dhaka, 0:12:44.827,0:12:49.177 as 4 million garment workers[br]quietly file into work. 0:12:53.607,0:12:58.051 They carry with them [br]memories of Rana Plaza, 0:12:59.621,0:13:03.683 wondering if a tragedy like this [br]could happen to them. 0:13:13.863,0:13:17.163 The Rana collapse [br]put Sujeet Sennik on a mission. 0:13:17.163,0:13:20.001 The former fashion designer [br]from Walmart Canada 0:13:20.001,0:13:22.286 now wanted to learn the truth 0:13:22.286,0:13:25.900 about how the clothes [br]he designed were made. 0:13:25.900,0:13:28.208 I had to find out for myself. 0:13:28.208,0:13:31.441 Is this what my industry has been doing? 0:13:31.441,0:13:33.704 Are we doing this on purpose? 0:13:33.704,0:13:37.839 Are we sending people to factories 0:13:37.839,0:13:41.505 knowing that there's a huge danger? 0:13:41.505,0:13:44.615 Sujeet traveled with us to Bangladesh. 0:13:44.615,0:13:47.976 First stop, a residential [br]neighborhood in Dhaka, 0:13:47.976,0:13:52.419 an unlikely backdrop for the deadliest[br]accident in the garment industry 0:13:52.419,0:13:55.461 before Rana Plaza. 0:13:55.461,0:13:57.765 This is Tazreen. 0:14:01.455,0:14:03.392 It's massive. 0:14:04.722,0:14:07.104 November 2012. 0:14:07.104,0:14:11.093 Fire broke out in the [br]Tazreen fashion factory, 0:14:11.093,0:14:17.000 a 9-storey building, though the[br]owner only had a permit for 3 storeys. 0:14:17.000,0:14:18.909 There were no fire escapes. 0:14:18.909,0:14:21.657 Many doors were blocked by boxes. 0:14:21.657,0:14:24.366 Windows were barred shut. 0:14:24.366,0:14:25.787 Months before the blaze, 0:14:25.787,0:14:30.367 the factory's fire safety[br]certificate had been revoked. 0:14:30.367,0:14:35.346 Most of the 112 victims here[br]were burned alive. 0:14:37.066,0:14:41.797 When the Tazreen factory fire[br]happened, I was horrified. 0:14:41.797,0:14:44.460 All these fingers were [br]pointing all everywhere, 0:14:44.460,0:14:46.986 and no one was saying, hey listen, maybe, 0:14:46.986,0:14:51.398 maybe, we might have just a little bit[br]to do with this. 0:14:52.408,0:14:56.206 Walmart did indeed have something [br]to do with this factory. 0:14:56.206,0:15:00.700 Their Faded Glory shorts were[br]pulled from the ashes. 0:15:00.700,0:15:03.615 The company tried to distance[br]itself from the tragedy, 0:15:03.615,0:15:08.593 insisting Tazreen was not an[br]authorized Walmart factory. 0:15:09.243,0:15:12.592 There's bars on every single window. 0:15:12.592,0:15:15.959 How were these people [br]supposed to get out of here? 0:15:15.959,0:15:18.352 There's no escaping. 0:15:27.205,0:15:29.044 I wonder for you, Sujeet, 0:15:29.044,0:15:34.105 what is this building...,[br]what is this a symbol of to you? 0:15:34.105,0:15:36.093 I think it's shame. 0:15:36.093,0:15:42.355 We should be ashamed of ourselves[br]to let something like this happen. 0:15:42.355,0:15:45.038 How was it possible that [br]people didn't know that 0:15:45.038,0:15:49.129 this factory was built this way? 0:15:50.439,0:15:52.780 This woman emerged from [br]the crowd of the curious 0:15:52.780,0:15:54.249 to tell us her story 0:15:54.249,0:15:56.691 how workers knocked out [br]a ventilation fan, 0:15:56.691,0:16:01.007 and how she survived by jumping [br]3 stories to the ground. 0:16:01.007,0:16:02.592 Will you ever work again? 0:16:02.592,0:16:04.726 Will you ever have another job[br]after your injuries here? 0:16:05.806,0:16:07.578 How am I supposed to work? 0:16:07.578,0:16:10.793 I'm afraid to work and [br]no one wants to take me. 0:16:10.793,0:16:13.470 I cannot sit or lie down for a long time. 0:16:13.470,0:16:16.461 I get better when I take medicine, 0:16:16.461,0:16:19.432 but when I don't it's painful. 0:16:19.432,0:16:20.916 With few prospects, 0:16:20.916,0:16:26.089 she appears as disposable as the[br]fast fashion she once made here. 0:16:27.959,0:16:30.319 This could have been one of my prints. 0:16:30.319,0:16:32.876 You know, snakeskin's in. 0:16:32.876,0:16:35.909 There it is. 0:16:35.909,0:16:40.794 It could have been a shirt, a dress. 0:16:40.794,0:16:44.250 Is it that important [br]that you have to bar people 0:16:44.250,0:16:47.122 into a building to meet our deadlines? 0:16:47.122,0:16:49.837 It's not, not for me. 0:16:49.837,0:16:52.518 It's disgusting. 0:16:54.168,0:16:58.190 So how did Walmart's clothes [br]end up at such a dangerous factory? 0:16:58.190,0:17:01.679 An investigation by Walmart[br]concluded one of its suppliers 0:17:01.679,0:17:07.160 subcontracted part of the order[br]to Tazreen without their permission. 0:17:11.070,0:17:14.184 But how hard would it be for[br]Canadian retailers to find out 0:17:14.184,0:17:16.962 where their clothes are being made? 0:17:16.962,0:17:18.401 We wanted to find out, 0:17:18.401,0:17:22.596 so we bought a Walmart shirt in Canada [br]that Sujeet had designed. 0:17:22.596,0:17:27.254 Shipping records led us to a factory [br]on the outskirts of Dhaka. 0:17:28.395,0:17:32.386 The record named the factory:[br]Hasan Tanvir. 0:17:32.386,0:17:36.286 Walmart publishes a list of[br]banned factories in Bangladesh, 0:17:36.286,0:17:39.425 factories that have failed [br]the company's audits. 0:17:39.425,0:17:43.373 And this factory has been [br]on that list since June. 0:17:44.023,0:17:47.068 We made repeated requests [br]to visit the factory, 0:17:47.068,0:17:50.012 but it wasn't until we showed up [br]with our camera 0:17:50.012,0:17:52.236 that the manager would even talk to us. 0:17:52.236,0:17:54.726 Hi, my name is Mark.[br]I'm from Canada. 0:17:54.726,0:17:56.787 Canadian television, how are you? 0:17:56.787,0:17:58.014 Fine. 0:17:58.014,0:18:00.178 We want to see where[br]our clothes are being made 0:18:00.178,0:18:03.261 and how they are being made.[br]And that's why we came over here. 0:18:03.261,0:18:05.344 I want to go inside and visit. 0:18:05.344,0:18:07.134 But even he wouldn't let us in. 0:18:07.134,0:18:10.057 Instead, he passed us off [br]to another manager. 0:18:10.057,0:18:12.873 Have you made this here? 0:18:20.093,0:18:25.081 We have a shipping record here[br]that shows that it was made here. 0:18:25.081,0:18:27.816 Hasan Tanvir Fashion Wears. 0:18:27.816,0:18:30.818 This is your address.[br]This is where this came from. 0:18:30.818,0:18:33.348 That's not mine. 0:18:33.348,0:18:34.747 Hello? 0:18:39.522,0:18:40.912 Excuse me. 0:18:45.897,0:18:49.367 He says he's never seen this before,[br]doesn't recognize it, 0:18:49.367,0:18:53.470 despite the fact that [br]we showed it was in fact made 0:18:53.470,0:18:57.842 right there at[br]Hasan Tanvir Fashion Wears. 0:18:58.572,0:19:00.171 Walmart puts it this way: 0:19:00.171,0:19:03.228 they do make shirts here, [br]but not our shirt. 0:19:03.228,0:19:06.499 In fact 3 months after [br]blacklisting this factory, 0:19:06.499,0:19:09.994 Walmart admits they are still [br]making clothes here... 0:19:09.994,0:19:12.980 one last order they say. 0:19:19.443,0:19:21.918 Since we couldn't get in [br]to meet the workers, 0:19:21.918,0:19:26.378 then we would take Sujeet to meet them[br]at home after work. 0:19:28.788,0:19:31.312 In this entire area here, 0:19:31.312,0:19:35.440 everyone who lives here [br]works in a garment factory. 0:19:35.440,0:19:37.926 It's like a compound of [br]garment factory workers, 0:19:37.926,0:19:41.410 so we're going to go in and [br]meet some of them tonight. 0:19:41.410,0:19:42.378 Okay. 0:19:43.978,0:19:45.451 We'll be there tonight. 0:19:45.451,0:19:47.955 Wow. 0:19:47.955,0:19:53.351 These are, 9 people [br]who work at the factory. 0:19:53.906,0:19:55.940 They asked us to hide their faces, 0:19:55.940,0:20:00.033 fearing they'd lose their jobs [br]simply for talking to us... 0:20:00.033,0:20:03.180 I want to know who are you [br]making garments for now 0:20:03.180,0:20:05.201 inside the factory. 0:20:05.201,0:20:08.169 Canada, Canada, Canada. 0:20:08.169,0:20:11.567 We hear that there are problems[br]working inside Hasan Tanvir 0:20:11.567,0:20:15.710 and we had reports that there was a fire[br]at the factory recently. 0:20:15.710,0:20:17.789 Can they tell us what happened? 0:20:18.899,0:20:22.072 When the fire really started to spread, 0:20:22.072,0:20:24.379 all the workers started to protest, 0:20:24.379,0:20:26.377 they broke the gates and escaped. 0:20:26.377,0:20:28.048 They didn't wanna let us out. 0:20:28.048,0:20:29.560 They never wanna let us out. 0:20:29.560,0:20:32.624 They just want to turn off the[br]lights and keep us in there 0:20:32.624,0:20:35.404 and say "sit down, shut up and work." 0:20:35.404,0:20:41.939 Do any of you worry that one day[br]you may die in your factory? 0:20:43.839,0:20:45.801 Of course. Of course. 0:20:45.801,0:20:48.534 And it happened all the time.[br]It happened regularly. 0:20:48.534,0:20:53.400 Yeah, it happened all the time.[br]Every few days there's a fire. 0:20:53.400,0:20:56.287 I want to know if...[br]if you recognize this shirt? 0:20:56.287,0:21:03.209 If any of you recognize having made[br]this shirt over the past few months? 0:21:03.209,0:21:05.901 Is this something that you [br]made in the factory? 0:21:05.901,0:21:09.686 We showed them Sujeet's shirt[br]that we bought in Canada. 0:21:11.836,0:21:14.664 Yeah, it's from the 5th floor. 0:21:14.664,0:21:20.893 I made it when I used to [br]work on the 5th floor. 0:21:20.893,0:21:24.275 So she worked on this garment? 0:21:24.275,0:21:26.285 Yes. 0:21:26.285,0:21:33.173 I designed this garment.[br]I drew this garment. 0:21:33.173,0:21:37.578 Look, I did this... 0:21:37.578,0:21:43.786 So you put these two pieces together.[br]So you put the sleeve in. 0:21:43.786,0:21:46.637 Thank you. 0:21:48.567,0:21:52.727 How do you feel meeting[br]the woman who made your design? 0:21:52.727,0:21:56.030 I'm grateful to meet you. 0:21:56.030,0:21:58.884 I wanted to meet you. 0:22:02.144,0:22:08.459 It's nice to finally be able to see you 0:22:08.459,0:22:14.660 and tell you that I think that [br]you should have a better life. 0:22:19.491,0:22:22.047 Coming up... 0:22:22.047,0:22:28.102 Why were Joe Fresh clothes being made in [br]the death trap that was Rana Plaza? 0:22:28.102,0:22:33.372 We go inside a prison in Bangladesh[br]looking for answers. 0:22:53.197,0:23:00.368 Every piece of clothing we wear [br]has a silent story stitched into it. 0:23:00.368,0:23:05.786 The story of who made it and where. 0:23:05.786,0:23:11.441 When Rana Plaza collapsed in April,[br]those stories came spilling out. 0:23:11.441,0:23:17.343 So, did the clothes from the ill fated [br]factory ever make it to Canada? 0:23:17.343,0:23:22.049 Well, we visited 6 stores in the[br]Toronto area, with a hidden camera, 0:23:22.049,0:23:26.128 3 months after the Rana Plaza collapse. 0:23:26.128,0:23:30.976 We found clothes made in Rana Plaza, [br]in sore after store. 0:23:30.976,0:23:32.544 So I have a question... 0:23:32.544,0:23:35.450 But you wouldn't know it [br]by asking the sales associates. 0:23:35.450,0:23:38.313 There was really like, there was [br]really only one product 0:23:38.313,0:23:40.927 that we were making in that[br]particular factory. 0:23:40.927,0:23:43.259 It was like this line of[br]pants that we did 0:23:43.259,0:23:45.239 We never ended up getting them.[br]Like obviously, 0:23:45.239,0:23:48.494 like we just like, got rid of it[br]and everything. 0:23:48.494,0:23:51.390 It's doubtful that it was[br]from that factory. 0:23:51.390,0:23:55.124 That stuff that was made in that place[br]never even made it here. 0:23:55.554,0:23:59.041 Loblaw's shipping records [br]revealed all these styles, 0:23:59.041,0:24:04.237 hundreds of thousands of garments were [br]made in Rana Plaza before the collapse, 0:24:04.237,0:24:08.080 and sold in Joe Fresh sores this summer. 0:24:13.080,0:24:16.088 So how did clothes for Joe Fresh [br]end up beingmade 0:24:16.088,0:24:18.439 in the death-trap that was Rana Plaza? 0:24:18.439,0:24:20.672 Well, that's a question we had[br]for the factory owner. 0:24:20.672,0:24:23.003 The problem is he's behind bars, 0:24:23.003,0:24:25.705 charged with negligence[br]in the deaths of the workers. 0:24:25.705,0:24:28.601 So "The Fifth Estate" petitioned [br]the Bangladeshi government 0:24:28.601,0:24:30.142 for permission to speak with him. 0:24:30.142,0:24:33.582 The government eventually agreed[br]but with one condition. 0:24:33.582,0:24:37.259 Our camera would not be allowed[br]inside the prison. 0:24:39.006,0:24:44.302 As public outrage grew after the collapse,[br]Bazlus Adnan surrendered to police. 0:24:44.302,0:24:48.895 His three factories occupied[br]almost half of Rana Plaza. 0:24:48.895,0:24:53.438 We arrived at Dhaka Central Jail,[br]where he's waiting trial. 0:24:53.438,0:24:55.068 He began our interview saying 0:24:55.068,0:24:59.266 how he parlayed an $8000 loan [br]from his dad in 1992, 0:24:59.266,0:25:02.768 and turned it into a [br]$15 million a year business, 0:25:02.768,0:25:07.360 thanks in large part [br]to his best customer, Joe Fresh. 0:25:07.360,0:25:12.328 Joe Fresh was my biggest client, [br]about $6 million year. 0:25:12.328,0:25:14.634 That is why I was going bigger. 0:25:14.634,0:25:17.519 He says he was eager to [br]please his biggest client, 0:25:17.519,0:25:23.066 so work had begun on Rana Plaza to add [br]a ninth floor for his booming business. 0:25:23.066,0:25:26.882 I asked whether he was under pressure [br]to make clothes cheaper... and faster... 0:25:26.882,0:25:28.878 Everybody is doing this. 0:25:28.878,0:25:30.703 They all squeezed me. 0:25:30.703,0:25:33.134 But Joe Fresh was a very good customer. 0:25:33.134,0:25:36.927 Their policy was just ship it on time. 0:25:37.597,0:25:39.554 Before my time was up for the interview, 0:25:39.554,0:25:42.114 I asked him to name one Loblaw employee 0:25:42.114,0:25:47.280 who had ever visited his factory at[br]Rana Plaza before the collapse. 0:25:48.460,0:25:50.532 He couldn't. 0:25:51.862,0:25:55.004 This ledger helps explain [br]how that could happen. 0:25:55.004,0:25:58.059 From the entries here, we[br]learned Loblaw placed orders 0:25:58.059,0:26:00.888 with a buying house in India[br]called House of Pearl, 0:26:00.888,0:26:06.194 who, in turn, placed Joe Fresh orders[br]with the factory at Rana Plaza. 0:26:06.194,0:26:07.834 House of Pearl, we learned, 0:26:07.834,0:26:12.173 hired inspectors to check the quality[br]of the clothes made in Rana Plaza, 0:26:12.173,0:26:15.815 but not to inspect building safety. 0:26:17.705,0:26:20.798 Outsourcing ethical[br]responsibilities to third parties, 0:26:20.798,0:26:24.292 enables companies like[br]Loblaw to distance themselves 0:26:24.292,0:26:26.705 from the work being done on the ground, 0:26:26.705,0:26:30.283 according to our [br]Canadian factory owner Barry Laxer. 0:26:30.963,0:26:34.167 You know, after Rana Plaza happened[br]all these realities were saying, 0:26:34.167,0:26:35.683 "well we didn't know." 0:26:35.683,0:26:39.143 Is that true? Did they not know [br]what was going on in this country? 0:26:39.143,0:26:42.514 A lot of companies just want[br]cheap manufacturing. 0:26:42.514,0:26:45.461 So, they don't really look. 0:26:47.301,0:26:48.815 Or ask the tough questions. 0:26:48.815,0:26:51.156 Or ask the questions,[br]because if you don't ask the questions, 0:26:51.156,0:26:53.049 you don't get the answers [br]that you don't want to hear. 0:26:53.049,0:26:56.177 Was the Rana Plaza collapse a[br]wakeup call? 0:26:56.177,0:26:58.969 I mean, do you really believe this [br]going to change anything here? 0:26:58.969,0:27:03.008 I think in the end a lot of [br]companies are continuing 0:27:03.008,0:27:06.497 just to look for margin and cost. 0:27:06.497,0:27:10.037 And -- and... 0:27:10.037,0:27:12.033 Ultimately that's why[br]they're here, right? 0:27:12.033,0:27:13.533 That's why they're here. 0:27:13.533,0:27:15.446 If that wasn't the issue, 0:27:15.446,0:27:19.783 they could be buying products[br]made in the United States or Canada. 0:27:23.373,0:27:28.294 We wanted to know more about the [br]working conditions inside Rana Plaza. 0:27:28.754,0:27:32.404 Who better to tell us than the[br]people who worked there. 0:27:33.134,0:27:34.547 After the collapse, 0:27:34.547,0:27:38.955 cameras captured this footage [br]of survivors recovering in a hospital. 0:27:40.105,0:27:45.149 We were intrigued by this girl, who was [br]trapped in the rubble for three days 0:27:45.149,0:27:48.762 pinned under two dead bodies. 0:27:48.762,0:27:51.513 She lost her mother, as well as her leg. 0:27:53.023,0:27:58.403 Both mother and daughter were[br]making clothes for Joe Fresh. 0:28:06.413,0:28:10.448 Months after the collapse,[br]we finally found her. 0:28:10.448,0:28:12.516 Her name is Aruti. 0:28:12.516,0:28:18.019 She tells us she is 17, though[br]her grandmother says she is really 15. 0:28:18.019,0:28:21.279 A kid making kids clothes for Canadians. 0:28:23.969,0:28:26.742 Do you recognize these shorts? 0:28:26.742,0:28:28.884 Like these shorts. 0:28:30.004,0:28:32.557 Yeah.[br]These pants were there. 0:28:32.557,0:28:37.083 She sewed pocket seams,[br]150 pockets an hour. 0:28:38.063,0:28:41.411 How do you feel [br]when you look at these pants? 0:28:44.571,0:28:46.070 I feel sad. 0:28:46.070,0:28:51.870 If I didn't work in that factory, [br]this would not have happened. 0:28:51.870,0:28:55.075 I feel very bad seeing these pants. 0:28:55.465,0:28:58.892 She says she's been working [br]in the industry for three years, 0:28:58.892,0:29:02.230 meaning she started[br]when she was just 12. 0:29:02.230,0:29:06.088 Like many women in Bangladesh,[br]she felt it was her only hope. 0:29:08.038,0:29:13.280 When I was little, I thought I would grow[br]up, go to school, study, and have a job. 0:29:13.280,0:29:17.306 If you study, you have a job, [br]a doctor, a teacher. 0:29:17.306,0:29:19.506 You can have any job. 0:29:19.506,0:29:24.324 But I couldn't do it, because[br]I'm poor, I have to work to eat. 0:29:24.324,0:29:27.700 That's why I went into garment work. 0:29:28.560,0:29:33.418 Aruti's shift was punishing, [br]12 hours a day, 7 days a week. 0:29:33.418,0:29:37.398 And when a rush order was placed, [br]overtime was demanded. 0:29:37.398,0:29:41.233 How did your bosses treat you[br]and the other workers? 0:29:43.233,0:29:48.040 If the others didn't know how to do[br]the work, they used to yell and swear. 0:29:48.040,0:29:53.060 If I can't work fast enough and meet [br]the target, they'll swear at me as well. 0:29:53.060,0:29:56.158 I would feel really bad. 0:29:59.348,0:30:03.944 She also remembers how cracks had been [br]spotted inside Rana Plaza 0:30:03.944,0:30:05.947 the day before the tragedy. 0:30:05.947,0:30:07.778 The building was evacuated. 0:30:07.778,0:30:09.879 She didn't believe the building owner, 0:30:09.879,0:30:14.330 who insisted everything was safe,[br]just hours before the collapse. 0:30:15.680,0:30:19.608 This is not a crack, it's just that [br]the plaster came off 0:30:19.608,0:30:23.578 a little bit. They made it [br]seem a big thing. 0:30:25.778,0:30:29.768 The next day, April 24th, [br]her boss phoned her home 0:30:29.768,0:30:33.880 and ordered her to get back to work, [br]or she'd be fired. 0:30:34.560,0:30:37.767 On that day that they told you[br]to go back to work, 0:30:37.767,0:30:40.930 were you afraid? Were you worried that [br]that building was dangerous? 0:30:44.000,0:30:46.616 There were many of us [br]who didn't want to go. 0:30:46.616,0:30:49.273 But they forced us. They said, 0:30:49.273,0:30:55.033 "Don't worry, nothing will happen.[br]And if you die we'll die, too." 0:30:55.033,0:30:57.291 But they didn't go inside. 0:30:57.291,0:31:00.213 They made us to start work and then left. 0:31:00.213,0:31:01.852 I was scared. 0:31:01.852,0:31:04.018 But there was nothing I could do. 0:31:04.018,0:31:09.109 If I stopped working, the line would stop,[br]and I would be in trouble. 0:31:12.179,0:31:14.525 She and her fellow workers returned. 0:31:14.525,0:31:18.947 An hour later, the building collapsed. 0:31:18.947,0:31:22.806 Aruti was on the 6th floor. 0:31:23.326,0:31:27.260 What do you remember about the moment [br]the building collapsed? 0:31:28.500,0:31:31.917 When it collapsed, I thought, [br]I wouldn't survive. 0:31:31.917,0:31:36.415 Two dead bodied fell on my leg[br]and my leg was stuck there. 0:31:36.415,0:31:39.791 The roof fell on top of the bodies. 0:31:39.791,0:31:44.598 I didn't know then that I would[br]actually come out alive. 0:31:46.578,0:31:49.518 Her family received some compensation [br]from the government 0:31:49.518,0:31:52.610 for the death of her mother [br]and the loss of her leg. 0:31:52.610,0:31:55.430 When asked what she received from Loblaw, 0:31:55.430,0:31:58.180 she told us she is still hoping. 0:32:00.341,0:32:01.701 When we come back, 0:32:01.701,0:32:06.956 we expose an even uglier side of the [br]fashion industry in Bangladesh. 0:32:08.436,0:32:11.188 You've been hit. You've been hit. 0:32:22.606,0:32:24.650 After the collapse of Rana Plaza, 0:32:24.650,0:32:29.591 the Bangladeshi government scrambled [br]to assure nervous retailers and consumers 0:32:29.591,0:32:33.239 that the country was a safe [br]place to do business. 0:32:34.709,0:32:35.849 But even Loblaw, 0:32:35.849,0:32:39.571 who had been making Joe Fresh [br]clothes in this country for 7 years, 0:32:39.571,0:32:42.205 wondered how garment workers [br]could be exposed 0:32:42.205,0:32:45.537 to what it called unacceptable risk. 0:32:46.577,0:32:50.443 So we took a closer look...[br]and discovered within 3 hours, 0:32:50.443,0:32:55.333 how easy it was to find the ugly[br]side of fast fashion. 0:32:57.253,0:33:02.382 A factory dumping technicolored[br]waste water directly into a river. 0:33:06.062,0:33:08.947 A river that now runs black. 0:33:11.617,0:33:16.239 Then we saw a jute factory with[br]an open door that caught our eye. 0:33:17.359,0:33:20.414 Inside, the air was tick with dust; 0:33:21.674,0:33:24.304 dust from a toxic dye. 0:33:24.574,0:33:27.644 Yet no one here wore a mask. 0:33:31.344,0:33:35.669 Within minutes, we were kicked out [br]by the owner and his thugs. 0:33:38.099,0:33:42.121 Finally, we went into one last factory [br]with a hidden camera. 0:33:42.661,0:33:45.824 I'll show you a very good factory. [br]Everything in one place. 0:33:46.484,0:33:49.925 And found these children operating looms. 0:33:49.925,0:33:55.138 One manager admitted some factory owners [br]hire kids under the age of 10 for menial jobs, 0:33:55.138,0:33:57.978 and paid them about a dollar a day. 0:33:59.478,0:34:03.806 The garment industry has made some [br]people in this country fabulously rich, 0:34:04.486,0:34:07.911 but poverty is still [br]everywhere you look. 0:34:09.061,0:34:13.547 Some of the poorest are these squatters[br]who live next to the railway tracks, 0:34:13.547,0:34:16.202 in the shadow of wealth. 0:34:18.762,0:34:22.423 This gleaming tower is home to the BGMEA. 0:34:22.423,0:34:25.240 That's the business group [br]that represents the titans 0:34:25.240,0:34:27.964 of the garment industry in Bangladesh. 0:34:32.024,0:34:36.692 We arrived to find a thousand [br]angry workers protesting outside. 0:34:37.482,0:34:41.171 They say they haven't been paid[br]by their employer in a month. 0:34:42.241,0:34:45.027 They work for a factory that, [br]until last fall, 0:34:45.027,0:34:47.547 made clothes for Canadians. 0:34:49.777,0:34:51.230 So what happened? 0:34:51.230,0:34:52.891 Shoom, shoom, shoom. 0:34:52.891,0:34:55.016 You've been hit. You've been hit. 0:34:55.016,0:34:56.629 He'd been hit. 0:34:56.629,0:34:59.081 He'd been hit. He'd been hit. 0:34:59.081,0:35:00.638 Who did this to you? 0:35:00.638,0:35:01.427 Bamboo. 0:35:01.427,0:35:02.578 Yes, yes, bamboo. 0:35:02.578,0:35:03.578 Who did this? 0:35:03.578,0:35:05.324 The owners hired gangsters? 0:35:05.324,0:35:06.573 Yes, yes, gangster. 0:35:06.573,0:35:08.010 And what were you doing? 0:35:08.010,0:35:09.613 You were just protesting? 0:35:09.613,0:35:10.325 Yes. 0:35:10.325,0:35:13.793 You were protesting because you [br]wanted your back-wages. 0:35:13.793,0:35:14.434 Yes. 0:35:14.434,0:35:16.690 And you make clothes for Canada? 0:35:16.690,0:35:17.904 Yes. 0:35:19.524,0:35:23.219 We had some questions for the [br]powerful head of the garment industry, 0:35:23.219,0:35:26.500 the top man Canadian retailers deal with. 0:35:26.500,0:35:30.349 Atiqul Islam is a prominent [br]factory owner in his own right. 0:35:30.349,0:35:34.579 He's made clothes for Walmart[br]Canada, Loblaw and HBC. 0:35:35.359,0:35:38.884 I asked him about the protest [br]outside his window. 0:35:40.034,0:35:42.557 This is completely open industry. 0:35:42.557,0:35:45.602 If you don't like there you can[br]go the other work there. 0:35:45.602,0:35:49.958 We have a 25% worker shortage in[br]the industry, still today. 0:35:49.958,0:35:52.800 In other words, if workers are abused, 0:35:52.800,0:35:55.984 his advice? Quit and work somewhere else. 0:35:55.984,0:35:58.984 When I ask him about the [br]bad factories we saw, 0:35:58.984,0:36:02.957 the child labor, the pollution, [br]the dangerous working conditions, 0:36:02.957,0:36:04.772 he wasn't alarmed. 0:36:04.772,0:36:07.047 A lot of factories that are [br]state of the art. 0:36:07.047,0:36:09.948 We've seen the nice ones.[br]We've seen the state of the art. 0:36:09.948,0:36:13.297 We've seen the example of where[br]the industry is moving. 0:36:13.297,0:36:15.070 But you're at a point right now 0:36:15.070,0:36:17.546 where there are some [br]shining examples but... 0:36:17.546,0:36:18.639 So for that, 0:36:18.639,0:36:21.988 sometimes the shiny is covered [br]by the cloud of this kind of thing. 0:36:21.988,0:36:25.151 So we need to clean the cloud. 0:36:25.451,0:36:27.963 But what about illegal subcontracting, 0:36:27.963,0:36:31.329 when one factory gives order [br]to another without approval? 0:36:31.749,0:36:35.451 If the factories are overbooked, they [br]must say no, I'm overbooked. 0:36:35.451,0:36:38.647 And as well as from the outside, [br]the retailers side also. 0:36:38.647,0:36:40.413 But you're a businessman. 0:36:40.413,0:36:43.267 Are they really going to say I'm [br]overbooked and I can't take the business? 0:36:43.267,0:36:44.211 Yah, yah, yah. 0:36:44.211,0:36:45.353 Everybody wants the business. 0:36:45.353,0:36:46.873 No, no, no.[br]It's not like that. 0:36:46.873,0:36:49.412 Things are completely changed.[br]It is not like that. 0:36:49.412,0:36:53.126 We had spoken with some sources [br]who work for Walmart Canada. 0:36:53.126,0:36:56.023 They placed an order with your group, 0:36:56.023,0:36:59.185 and they said that that order [br]was then ended up being 0:36:59.185,0:37:02.326 made at factory that was not approved. 0:37:02.326,0:37:04.269 Hasan Tanvir. 0:37:04.269,0:37:05.123 Hasan? 0:37:05.123,0:37:06.363 Hasan Tanvir. 0:37:06.363,0:37:08.573 Remember that Walmart shirt -- 0:37:08.573,0:37:12.110 Well, we had questions about [br]who exactly made it. 0:37:16.840,0:37:20.348 We showed it to workers and[br]they said "yah", they made it. 0:37:20.348,0:37:27.385 It is very difficult for me to know [br]whether I'm making this, number one. 0:37:27.385,0:37:30.965 And number two, there's no way that[br]we're giving the goods to the outside. 0:37:30.965,0:37:36.737 It's absolutely no way.[br]Our all garments is made in our factory. 0:37:36.737,0:37:42.384 But Walmart told us Mr. Islam did indeed [br]have the contract to make Sujeet's shirt. 0:37:42.384,0:37:46.071 But at his own factory, [br]not not Hasan Tanvir. 0:37:47.181,0:37:50.646 Thank you. Thank you, I'll take that. 0:37:50.646,0:37:52.254 You don't need that. 0:37:52.254,0:37:55.804 Can I just see this one thing.[br]Just have a seat and I, uh.... 0:37:55.804,0:37:56.779 Absolutely. 0:37:56.779,0:38:02.113 And then something extraordinary[br]happened after our interview wrapped up... 0:38:02.113,0:38:03.515 Look in the background, 0:38:03.515,0:38:09.009 as Mr. Islam conceals the garment[br]behind his desk with a pen in hand. 0:38:15.639,0:38:20.019 After we left we noticed the tag[br]on the shirt had been defaced. 0:38:20.019,0:38:24.490 The barcode and the Canadian[br]import number that could connect 0:38:24.490,0:38:27.972 their shirt to Atiqul Islam's[br]company were blacked out. 0:38:27.972,0:38:32.385 We asked him the next day if he[br]did it. He denied it. 0:38:33.655,0:38:37.556 As for Loblaw and Joe Fresh --[br]the Canadian company insists 0:38:37.556,0:38:41.622 it will help lead lead the way [br]to clean up the industry in Bangladesh. 0:38:41.622,0:38:45.253 Our industry can be a force for good. 0:38:45.253,0:38:51.141 Properly inspected, well built[br]factories play (an) important role 0:38:51.141,0:38:54.663 in the development of[br]countries such as Bangladesh. 0:38:55.263,0:38:59.469 Did Loblaw properly inspect before [br]Rana Plaza before the collapse? 0:38:59.469,0:39:02.205 They say they did visit the factory. 0:39:02.205,0:39:05.235 So why were they still [br]making clothes there? 0:39:06.005,0:39:08.578 That's what we wanted to ask Joe Mimran, 0:39:08.578,0:39:12.269 but we were told he wasn't [br]available for an interview. 0:39:12.849,0:39:15.991 I am troubled by the deafening silence 0:39:15.991,0:39:19.430 from other apparel retailers [br]on this issue. 0:39:19.430,0:39:22.515 And while Loblaw CEO Galen Weston 0:39:22.515,0:39:25.821 publicly criticizes other companies [br]for their deafening silence, 0:39:25.821,0:39:29.144 he declined to be interviewed [br]for this story. 0:39:32.204,0:39:33.931 Loblaw did send us an email [br] 0:39:33.931,0:39:37.000 outlining their efforts to [br]help workers in Bangladesh. 0:39:37.000,0:39:38.575 They say since the collapse 0:39:38.575,0:39:41.646 they've contributed a million[br]dollars to two charities, 0:39:41.646,0:39:44.475 and joined a compliance accord [br]with other retailers 0:39:44.475,0:39:48.308 aimed at improving working [br]conditions in Bangladesh, 0:39:48.308,0:39:51.173 and the company will now [br]put "boots on the ground" 0:39:51.173,0:39:54.610 somewhere "in the region" [br]to inspect factories. 0:39:57.110,0:39:58.633 But there's another way. 0:39:58.633,0:40:01.945 Canadian factory owner Barry[br]Laxer wanted a safe factory, 0:40:01.945,0:40:03.625 so he built one. 0:40:03.625,0:40:06.383 It's run by a Canadian team. 0:40:06.383,0:40:09.323 And he visits it regularly. 0:40:09.803,0:40:15.206 But what are the effects then [br]of paying the cheapest possible price 0:40:15.206,0:40:17.321 in a country like Bangladesh? 0:40:17.321,0:40:19.557 Sooner or later there'll be[br]another Rana Plaza. 0:40:19.557,0:40:20.996 It's just a matter of time. 0:40:20.996,0:40:23.826 Sooner or later there'll be[br]another fire somewhere 0:40:23.826,0:40:25.865 that will claim more lives. 0:40:25.865,0:40:30.066 Because Bangladesh is just the[br]floor and the testing ground 0:40:30.066,0:40:33.951 for how cheap products can be sold. 0:40:36.241,0:40:39.816 Before former Walmart designer [br]Sujeet Sennik left Bangladesh, 0:40:39.816,0:40:42.906 we had one more stop to make. 0:40:43.666,0:40:46.568 There's one last thing I wanted[br]to show you before you go. 0:40:47.558,0:40:51.143 This is where Rana Plaza once stood. 0:40:53.123,0:40:55.038 Oh my god. 0:40:57.428,0:40:59.279 There's nothing left. 0:40:59.999,0:41:01.623 There are people walking around. 0:41:01.623,0:41:07.847 And in Canada wearing clothes that[br]were made by these people who died here. 0:41:08.757,0:41:12.662 This is kind of a monument to greed. 0:41:15.532,0:41:18.924 This is a product of [br]the race to the bottom. 0:41:21.194,0:41:23.242 So what are consumers to do? 0:41:23.242,0:41:26.244 Boycott clothes made in Bangladesh? 0:41:26.244,0:41:30.277 The jobs are pulling millions of[br]women out of poverty. 0:41:31.207,0:41:37.040 Like Aruti who, despite her loss, knows [br]has to go back to work. 0:41:37.040,0:41:39.381 Especially now that her mother is gone 0:41:39.381,0:41:43.188 and she'll have to support her [br]younger sisters and her grandmother. 0:41:44.878,0:41:49.451 Do you want to go back and work[br]inside a garment factory now? 0:41:50.071,0:41:52.856 If I wanted to work in the factory, 0:41:52.856,0:41:57.934 it's not possible to walk back and forth[br]and go up and down the stairs. 0:41:57.934,0:42:02.342 I can't do it yet.[br]That's the issue now. 0:42:02.342,0:42:04.988 I will be able to go back, 0:42:04.988,0:42:08.898 but I'm afraid. 0:42:14.109,0:42:15.745 Well, after watching tonight's episode, 0:42:15.745,0:42:17.720 you may be wondering more [br]about the clothe you buy 0:42:17.720,0:42:19.748 and how they were made. 0:42:19.748,0:42:22.087 Well for some of the brands [br]and lines of clothing 0:42:22.087,0:42:24.108 that we mentioned on tonight's program, 0:42:24.108,0:42:27.373 you can find out more information [br]by going to our website. 0:42:27.373,0:42:30.359 That's at cbc.ca/fifth. 0:42:30.359,0:42:32.704 Of course we'll continue [br]to update that website 0:42:32.704,0:42:36.309 with the developments on this story [br]in the weeks and months ahead. 0:42:36.309,0:42:39.144 Stay with us. [br]We'll be right back after this.