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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.08,0:00:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Rosemary Church: ... And we want to talk\Nmore about the sign-language interpreter
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.85,0:00:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Nelson Mandela's memorial on Tuesday.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.38,0:00:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're joined by Laura Peterson and Julie Rems-Smario\Nin Freemont, California,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.82,0:00:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They work at the California School for the\NDeaf, as we mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.41,0:00:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Julie herself is deaf and will be communicating\Nthrough an interpreter
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.43,0:00:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is off-camera here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.33,0:00:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for joining us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.97,0:00:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Laura, I do want to start with you and get\Nyour reaction
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.04,0:00:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this sign-language interpreter: what did\Nyou think?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.88,0:00:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Laura Peterson: Um, well, when I first\Nheard about it, actually from Julie,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.26,0:00:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought "OK, then maybe they weren't qualified,"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.87,0:00:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I thought, in order to explain this here,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.20,0:00:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really wanted to provide access to everybody\Nin your audience
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.44,0:00:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so, because I understand that there is\Nno captioning,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.48,0:00:50.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so Julie is interpreting,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.87,0:00:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that everybody in the audience can have\Naccess.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.65,0:00:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just wanted to clarify that,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.68,0:00:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because people are maybe not understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.39,0:00:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why Julie is signing right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.64,0:01:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when I first read about it, I thought:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.87,0:01:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"OK, maybe it was somebody who just wasn't\Nvery good."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.54,0:01:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I actually saw the video, it was\Nreally clear that they were --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.37,0:01:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not have the semantics, the hand shapes,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.82,0:01:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the normal attributes of *any* sign language.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.50,0:01:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know South African Sign Language,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.83,0:01:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are things that are uniform in all\Nsign languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.47,0:01:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Church: And it is worth mentioning that\Nthere isn't an International Sign Language,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.72,0:01:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is there,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.08,0:01:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean there are different Sign Languages\Nin each country.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.27,0:01:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Julie, I do want to go to you:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.84,0:01:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you outraged? What do you want to see\Nhappen here?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.89,0:01:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Julie Rems-Smario: Well, really, I am upset,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.55,0:01:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because really, that shows a lack of respect
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.71,0:01:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for human rights of language equality.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.96,0:01:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was destroyed at this event
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.85,0:01:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Nelson Mandela represented human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.97,0:01:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's an icon and an African.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.44,0:02:01.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this person exploited that on a very important\Nday
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.19,0:02:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to honor Nelson Mandela
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.04,0:02:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he also violated our human rights as deaf\Npeople
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.35,0:02:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by showing exactly what, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.03,0:02:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,language apartheid looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.42,0:02:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Church: And Laura, as we saw in the story\Nthat Errol Barnett brought us
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.88,0:02:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just before the break,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.09,0:02:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this man, this interpreter, he has been in\Ntrouble before,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.17,0:02:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there have been no consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.23,0:02:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does somebody -- as far as I was concerned\N--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.92,0:02:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had credentials to do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.23,0:02:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does somebody end up on the stage
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.69,0:02:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next to all of those dignitaries
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.55,0:02:38.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such an important, historic day,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.15,0:02:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not just South Africa, but indeed the\Nworld?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.05,0:02:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does someone get through to that point
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.87,0:02:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they've been in trouble before?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.12,0:02:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Peterson: Right, so your question is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.59,0:02:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how does he end up on the stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.83,0:02:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, it's not, unfortunately, it's not that\Nunusual.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.29,0:02:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It happens not just in South Africa,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.35,0:02:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it happens around the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.58,0:03:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it happens in classrooms here in California.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.79,0:03:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This -- oftentimes the situation is,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.95,0:03:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the person who is doing the hiring doesn't\Nknow the language.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.12,0:03:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, if the person says they are fluent\Nin that language,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.65,0:03:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they take them, you know, just by their word.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.48,0:03:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.10,0:03:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have the Registry of Interpreters for the\NDeaf,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.00,0:03:18.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a whole certification process
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.65,0:03:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a code of ethics and professional conduct,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.65,0:03:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we try to avoid that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.35,0:03:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, that doesn't mean that people don't\Nhire
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.44,0:03:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who don't have those qualifications,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.36,0:03:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't include deaf people in that hiring\Nprocess
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.85,0:03:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that somebody who knows the language can\Nactually ascertain
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.59,0:03:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they do have that fluency.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.10,0:03:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Church: And presumably, money is the motivator\Nhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.83,0:03:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of course, across the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.53,0:03:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many deaf children struggle to get a proper\Neducation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.44,0:03:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the big point here.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.21,0:03:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Human Rights Watch has a campaign dedicated
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.75,0:03:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help raise awareness about SIgn Language\Neducation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.38,0:04:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in places throughout Africa, and indeed the\Nrest of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.35,0:04:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to just watch a portion of the video\Nif we can bring that up:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.03,0:04:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Teacher: My name?\NGood!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.23,0:04:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yours?\NHey! Anne, Anne, good!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.98,0:04:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.08,0:04:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Girl signs her name]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.28,0:04:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Teacher: Good good good!\NYours?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.98,0:04:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your name? Ah ah, you are not Anne.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.64,0:04:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name? Who? Yours, yours, yours.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.92,0:04:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Boy: Yours, yours, yours.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.10,0:04:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Teacher: Mmm, What is her name?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.37,0:04:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Girl signs]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.47,0:04:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Teacher:Yeah, beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.56,0:04:35.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's very good in taking in the sign language.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.80,0:04:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very important to have because
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.29,0:04:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she can now be communicating to other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.74,0:04:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While she was at home
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.67,0:04:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no sign language being taught there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.68,0:04:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Church: And Julie and Laura, of course\Nadvocates say,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.46,0:04:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the biggest problems
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.28,0:04:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the lack of Sign Language schools and instructors.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.63,0:04:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course that portion of that video,\NI mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.43,0:04:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really does bring it home, doesn't it,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.24,0:05:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the importance of educating these children\Nwho,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.09,0:05:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for some -- sometimes, it's not until they're\N6 years of age
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.80,0:05:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have access to this sort of education.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.83,0:05:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how concerned are you that this fake interpreter's\Nactions
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.27,0:05:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have a negative impact on this initiative?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.56,0:05:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Rems-Smario: Well, I'm very concerned
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.76,0:05:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the lack of acceptance of deaf people,\Ndeaf leaders,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.04,0:05:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the input from the community,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.33,0:05:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're the experts,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.89,0:05:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many schools don't hire the deaf people\Nwho know the community,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.10,0:05:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who know the language,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.72,0:05:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who know our human right to Sign Language.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.50,0:05:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a national and international epidemic
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.59,0:05:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of deaf children who have language deprivation.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.92,0:05:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They grow up without full access, full competency\Nin any language,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.66,0:05:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means they struggle academically, socially,\Nemotionally
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.02,0:05:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's really a travesty.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.81,0:05:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Church: If there's one good point,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.10,0:05:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps this incident has brought attention\Nto that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.36,0:06:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will see of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.49,0:06:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Laura Peterson and Julie Rems-Smario,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.88,0:06:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you so much for joining us
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.06,0:06:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bringing attention to this incident.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.55,0:06:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We appreciate it.