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Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.77,0:00:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to tell you about my search\Nfor purpose as a journalist
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.71,0:00:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how Dolly Parton\Nhelped me figure it out.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.16,0:00:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I've been telling audio stories\Nfor about 20 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.79,0:00:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first on the radio and then in podcasts.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.74,0:00:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I started the radio show\NRadiolab in 2002,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.98,0:00:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here was the quintessential\Nstory move we would do.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.74,0:00:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd bring on somebody --
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.32,0:00:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Audio) Steve Strogatz:\NIt's one of the most hypnotic
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.86,0:00:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and spellbinding spectacles in nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.33,0:00:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, you have to keep in mind,\Nit is absolutely silent.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.13,0:00:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like this guy, mathematician,\NSteve Strogatz,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.27,0:00:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he would paint a picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.69,0:00:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Audio) SS: Picture it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.90,0:00:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a riverbank in Thailand\Nin the remote part of the jungle,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.04,0:00:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're in a canoe,\Nslipping down the river.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.66,0:00:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no sound of anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.11,0:00:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe the occasional, you know,\Nexotic jungle bird or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.43,0:00:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA: So you're in this imaginary\Ncanoe with Steve,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.78,0:00:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the air all around you\Nare millions of fireflies.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.33,0:00:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what you see is sort of\Na randomized starry-night effect.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.74,0:01:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because all the fireflies\Nare blinking at different rates.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.72,0:01:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is what you would expect.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.62,0:01:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But according to Steve, in this one place,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.33,0:01:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for reasons no scientist\Ncan fully explain --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.04,0:01:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SS: Whoop.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.16,0:01:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoop.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.09,0:01:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoop.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.28,0:01:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With thousands of lights on\Nand then off, all in sync.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.48,0:01:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA: Now it's around this time
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.94,0:01:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would generally bring in\Nthe beautiful music, as I just did,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.15,0:01:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'd start to get that warm feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.18,0:01:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A feeling, that we know from science,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.99,0:01:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of localizes in your head and chest
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.93,0:01:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and spreads through your body.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.41,0:01:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's that feeling of wonder.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.05,0:01:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From 2002 to 2010,\NI did hundreds of these stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.84,0:01:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sciency, neurosciency,\Nvery heady, brainy stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.31,0:01:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would always resolve\Ninto that feeling of wonder.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.93,0:01:51.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I began to see that as my job,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.59,0:01:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lead people to moments of wonder.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.42,0:01:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What that sounded like was:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.93,0:01:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Various voices) "Huh!" "Wow!"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.58,0:01:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow!"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.24,0:02:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"That's amazing."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.43,0:02:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Whoa!" "Wow!"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.49,0:02:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA: But I began to get\Nkind of tired of these stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.87,0:02:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, partially, it was the repetition,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.85,0:02:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember there was a day\NI was sitting at the computer,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.56,0:02:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making the sound of a neuron.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.98,0:02:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Crackling sound)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.16,0:02:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, take some white noise,\Nchop it up, very easy sound to make.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.50,0:02:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.11,0:02:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I have made this sound 25 times."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.39,0:02:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was more than that,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.43,0:02:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a familiar path\Nto these stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.62,0:02:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You walk the path of truth,\Nwhich is made of science,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.13,0:02:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you get to wonder.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.31,0:02:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I love science, don't get me wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.36,0:02:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My parents emigrated\Nfrom a war-torn country,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.51,0:02:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came to America,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.75,0:02:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and science for them was, like,\Nmore their identity than anything else,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.60,0:02:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I inherited that from them.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.42,0:02:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there was something\Nabout that simple movement
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.91,0:02:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from science to wonder
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.22,0:02:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that just started to feel wrong to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.08,0:02:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, is that the only path\Na story can take?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.22,0:02:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Around 2012,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.90,0:02:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ran into a bunch of different stories
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.88,0:02:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that made me think, "No."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.55,0:02:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One story in particular,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.74,0:03:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we interviewed a guy who described
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.92,0:03:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chemical weapons being used\Nagainst him and his fellow villagers
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.43,0:03:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the mountains of Laos.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.69,0:03:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Western scientists went there,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.65,0:03:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measured for chemical weapons,\Ndidn't find any.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.24,0:03:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We interviewed the man about this,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.90,0:03:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said the scientists were wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.55,0:03:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We said, "But they tested."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.98,0:03:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "I don't care,\NI know what happened to me."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.47,0:03:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we went back and forth\Nand back and forth,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.64,0:03:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make a long story short,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.55,0:03:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the interview ended in tears.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.06,0:03:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt ...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.83,0:03:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt horrible.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.12,0:03:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, hammering at a scientific truth,\Nwhen someone has suffered.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.12,0:03:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That wasn't going to heal anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.10,0:03:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And maybe I was relying\Ntoo much on science to find the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.01,0:03:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it really did feel at that moment
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.88,0:03:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there were a lot\Nof truths in the room,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.98,0:03:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were only looking at one of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.94,0:03:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I thought, I've got\Nto get better at this.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.15,0:03:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so for the next eight years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.75,0:03:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I committed myself to doing stories
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.45,0:03:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you heard truths collide.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.33,0:03:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did stories about\Nthe politics of consent,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.50,0:03:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you heard the perspective\Nof survivors and perpetrators
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.40,0:03:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whose narratives clashed.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.63,0:03:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did stories about race,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.91,0:04:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how black men are systematically\Neliminated from juries,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.56,0:04:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet, the rules that try\Nand prevent that from happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.41,0:04:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only make things worse.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.63,0:04:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stories about counter terrorism,\NGuantanamo detainees,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.20,0:04:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stories where everything is disputed,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.100,0:04:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all you can do is struggle\Nto try and make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.36,0:04:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this struggle\Nkind of became the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.14,0:04:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I began to think, "Maybe that's my job."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.56,0:04:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To lead people to moments of struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.12,0:04:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's what that sounded like:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.62,0:04:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Various voices)\N"But I see ... I, like ..."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.73,0:04:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Uh, I ..." (Sigh)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.05,0:04:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, so, like, huh ..."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.07,0:04:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"That, I mean, I ..."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.51,0:04:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know ... golly ... I ... (Sigh)"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.68,0:04:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA: And that sigh right there,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.49,0:04:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to hear that sound\Nin every single story,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.25,0:04:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that sound is kind of\Nour current moment, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.31,0:04:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We live in a world where truth\Nis no longer just a set of facts
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.70,0:04:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be captured.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.88,0:04:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's become a process.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.08,0:04:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's gone from being a noun\Nto being a verb.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.45,0:04:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how do you end that story?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.55,0:04:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, what literally kept happening\Nis we'd be, you know, telling a story,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.43,0:04:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cruising along,\Ntwo viewpoints in conflict,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.64,0:05:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get to the end and it's just like --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.36,0:05:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, let me see.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.54,0:05:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I say at the end?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.86,0:05:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my God.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.03,0:05:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you, how do you end that story?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.08,0:05:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't just happily-ever-after it,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.88,0:05:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that doesn't feel real.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.41,0:05:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.58,0:05:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you just leave people\Nin that stuck place,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.100,0:05:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, "why did I just listen to that?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.86,0:05:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, it felt like there had to be\Nanother move there.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.44,0:05:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had to be a way beyond the struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.08,0:05:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is what brings me to Dolly.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.36,0:05:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, Saint Dolly, as we like\Nto call her in the South.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.91,0:05:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to tell you about one little\Nglimmer of an epiphany that I had
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.58,0:05:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing a nine-part series\Ncalled Dolly Parton's America last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.66,0:05:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a bit of a departure for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.37,0:05:40.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I just had this intuition\Nthat Dolly could help me
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.67,0:05:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure out this ending problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.45,0:05:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here was the basic intuition:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.23,0:05:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You go to a Dolly concert,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.53,0:05:48.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see men in trucker hats\Nstanding next to men in drag,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.25,0:05:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Democrats standing next to Republicans,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.16,0:05:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,women holding hands,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.34,0:05:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every different kind of person\Nsmashed together.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.62,0:05:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these people that we are told\Nshould hate each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.51,0:05:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are there singing together.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.26,0:06:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She somehow carved out\Nthis unique space in America,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.70,0:06:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to know, how did she do that?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.12,0:06:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I interviewed Dolly 12 times,\Ntwo separate continents.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.84,0:06:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She started every interview this way:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.63,0:06:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Audio) Dolly Parton: Ask me\Nwhatever you ask me,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.100,0:06:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm going to tell you\Nwhat I want to hear."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.22,0:06:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.25,0:06:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is undeniably a force of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.93,0:06:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the problem that I ran into
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.24,0:06:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I had chosen\Na conceit for this series
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.75,0:06:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that my soul had trouble with.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.19,0:06:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dolly sings a lot about the South.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.15,0:06:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go through her discography,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.81,0:06:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will hear song after song\Nabout Tennessee.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.10,0:06:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Music) DP (Singing, various songs):\NTennessee, Tennessee...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.01,0:06:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tennessee homesick ...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.26,0:06:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I've got those Tennessee homesick blues\Nrunning' through my head."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.79,0:06:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tennessee.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.99,0:06:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Tennessee Mountain Home,"\N"Tennessee Mountain Memories."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.79,0:06:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I grew up in Tennessee,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.55,0:06:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I felt no nostalgia for that place.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.59,0:06:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was the scrawny Arab kid
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.61,0:06:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who came from the place\Nthat invented suicide bombing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.92,0:07:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent a lot of time in my room.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.20,0:07:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I left Nashville,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.82,0:07:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.98,0:07:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember being at Dollywood,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.46,0:07:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standing in front of a replica,\Nreplica of her Tennessee Mountain Home.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.28,0:07:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People all around me were crying.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.05,0:07:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a set.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.82,0:07:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are you crying?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.01,0:07:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't understand\Nwhy they were so emotional,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.32,0:07:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially given\Nmy relationship to the South.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.47,0:07:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I started to honestly have\Npanic attacks about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.12,0:07:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I not the right person\Nfor this project?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.60,0:07:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, twist of fate.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.47,0:07:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We meet this guy, Bryan Seaver,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.44,0:07:34.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dolly's nephew and bodyguard.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.70,0:07:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on a whim, he drives\Nproducer Shima Oliaee and I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.09,0:07:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of Dollywood,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.40,0:07:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,round the back side of the mountains,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.40,0:07:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up the mountains 20 minutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.83,0:07:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down a narrow dirt road,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.28,0:07:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through giant wooden gates\Nthat look right out of "Game of Thrones,"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.50,0:07:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and into the actual\NTennessee mountain home.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.16,0:07:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the real place.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.53,0:07:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Valhalla.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.71,0:07:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The real Tennessee mountain home.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.31,0:07:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm going to score\Nthis part with Wagner,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.49,0:08:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you've got to understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.14,0:08:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Tennessee lore,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.33,0:08:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is like hallowed ground,\Nthe Tennessee mountain home.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.14,0:08:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I remember standing there,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.61,0:08:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the grass,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.92,0:08:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next to the Pigeon River,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.78,0:08:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,butterflies doing loopty loops in the air,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.18,0:08:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had my own moment of wonder.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.12,0:08:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dolly's Tennessee mountain home
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.89,0:08:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looks exactly like my dad's home\Nin the mountains of Lebanon.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.13,0:08:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her house looks just\Nlike the place that he left.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.39,0:08:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that simple bit of layering\Nled me to have a conversation with him
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.71,0:08:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I never had before,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.89,0:08:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the pain he felt leaving his home.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.12,0:08:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how he hears that in Dolly's music.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.19,0:08:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I had a conversation with Dolly\Nwhere she described her songs
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.03,0:08:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as migration music.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.32,0:08:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even that classic song,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.23,0:08:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Tennessee Mountain Home,"\Nif you listen to it --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.72,0:08:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Dolly Parton "Tennessee Mountain Home")
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.70,0:08:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Sittin' on the front porch\Non a summer afternoon
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.68,0:08:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a straightback chair on two legs,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.46,0:08:59.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaned against the wall."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.47,0:09:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about trying to capture a moment\Nthat you know is already gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.87,0:09:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you can paint it, vividly,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.64,0:09:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you can freeze it in place,\Nalmost like in resin,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.28,0:09:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trapped between past and present.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.15,0:09:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the immigrant experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.91,0:09:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that simple thought led me\Nto a million conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.09,0:09:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started talking to musicologists\Nabout country music as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.06,0:09:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This genre that I've always felt so
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.50,0:09:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having nothing to do\Nwith where I came from,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.59,0:09:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually made up of instruments\Nand musical styles
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.47,0:09:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that came directly from the Middle East.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.42,0:09:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, there were trade routes\Nthat ran from what is now Lebanon
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.22,0:09:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right up into the mountains\Nof East Tennessee.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.12,0:09:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can honestly say, standing there,\Nlooking at her home,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.95,0:09:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the first time I felt\Nlike I'm a Tennessean.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.07,0:09:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is honestly true.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.100,0:09:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this wasn't a one-time thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.62,0:09:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, over and over again,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.01,0:09:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she would force me\Nbeyond the simple categories
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.96,0:09:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had constructed for the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.51,0:10:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember talking with her\Nabout her seven-year partnership
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.36,0:10:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Porter Wagoner.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.56,0:10:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1967, she joins his band,\Nhe is the biggest thing in country music,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.79,0:10:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is a backup singer, a nobody.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.25,0:10:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Within a short time, she gets huge,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.74,0:10:13.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he gets jealous,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.92,0:10:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he then sues her for three million dollars
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.74,0:10:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when she tries to leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.97,0:10:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it would be really easy\Nto see Porter Wagoner
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.92,0:10:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as, like, a type: classic,\Npatriarchal jackass,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.20,0:10:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to hold her back.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.54,0:10:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anytime I would suggest that to her,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.50,0:10:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, come on.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.68,0:10:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Audio) This is a guy, I mean,\Nyou see it in the videos, too,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.63,0:10:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's got his arm around you.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.52,0:10:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a power thing happening, for sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.48,0:10:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DP: Well, it's more complicated than that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.04,0:10:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, just think about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.82,0:10:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had had this show for years,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.44,0:10:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he didn't need me to have his hit show.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.58,0:10:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wasn't expecting me\Nto be all that I was, either.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.46,0:10:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a serious entertainer,\Nhe didn't know that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.45,0:10:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't know how many dreams I had.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.72,0:10:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JA: In effect, she kept telling me,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.42,0:11:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't bring your stupid way\Nof seeing the world into my story,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.47,0:11:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's not what it was.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.99,0:11:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, there was power,\Nbut that's not all there was.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.96,0:11:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't summarize this."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.61,0:11:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, just to zoom out.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.15,0:11:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I make of this?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.45,0:11:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I think there's something in here
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.34,0:11:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a clue, a way forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.67,0:11:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As journalists, we love difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.40,0:11:19.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We love to fetishize difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.02,0:11:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But increasingly, in this confusing world,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.48,0:11:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to be the bridge\Nbetween those differences.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.35,0:11:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how do you do that?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.37,0:11:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think for me now, the answer is simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.20,0:11:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You interrogate those differences,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.58,0:11:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you hold them for as long as you can,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.12,0:11:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until, like up on that mountain,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.32,0:11:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something happens,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.55,0:11:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something reveals itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.91,0:11:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Story cannot end in difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.84,0:11:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's got to end in revelation.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.39,0:11:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And coming back\Nfrom that trip on the mountain,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.13,0:11:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a friend of mine gave a book\Nthat gave this whole idea a name.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.97,0:11:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In psychotherapy,\Nthere's this idea called the third,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.58,0:11:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which essentially goes like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.52,0:12:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Typically, we think of ourselves\Nas these autonomous units.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.80,0:12:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do something to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.14,0:12:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do something to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.49,0:12:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But according to this theory,\Nwhen two people come together,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.33,0:12:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really commit to seeing each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.90,0:12:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that mutual act of recognition,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.56,0:12:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they actually make something new.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.67,0:12:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A new entity that is their relationship.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.12,0:12:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can think of Dolly's concerts
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.75,0:12:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as sort of a cultural third space.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.23,0:12:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way she sees all the different\Nparts of her audience,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.96,0:12:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way they see her,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.17,0:12:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates the spiritual\Narchitecture of that space.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.40,0:12:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think now that is my calling.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.35,0:12:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That as a journalist,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.95,0:12:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a storyteller,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.86,0:12:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as just an American,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.82,0:12:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living in a country struggling to hold,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.23,0:12:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that every story I tell\Nhas got to find the third.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.11,0:12:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That place, where the things\Nwe hold as different
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.48,0:12:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resolve themselves into something new.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.90,0:12:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.