Aqui é o Democracy Now, democracynow.org,
o relatório de guerra e paz,
Eu sou Amy Goodman, apresentadora.
Vamos para as notícas do Vaticano,
onde o Papa Francisco convocou uma
ação para salvar o planeta
da ruína ambiental
pedindo aos líderes mundias
que escutem
o "choro" da Terra e o "choro"
dos pobres.
Mais cedo, o Vaticano
publicou a tão esperada encíclica papal
sobre
meio ambiente e mudanças climáticas.
O papa pediu uma
mudança no estilo de vida
e países ricos
joguem fora a cultura do
consumismo
e parem com atitudes que
muitas vezes
colocam o lucro acima do bem
comum.
Nossa casa vai ruir
e isso prejudica a todos
especialmente os mais pobres
o meu é, portanto,
um apelo para a responsabilidade,
baseado no passado,
que Deus deu para todas
as criaturas
manterem o jardim
onde vivem.
very strong into journey
delays half measures
so-called market solutions it very
specifically criticizes
carbon markets a carbon offsetting
everything.
Probably the most significant parliament
that the picture
is the foreign grounding
of
the culture
of frenetic
consumption
in the wealthy world among the wealthy,
and this is a really significant
because I think large parts
of the climate change discussion
trial they have it all ways and say no,
we just will just have a green growth.
Well just how
well it will consume green products
and
you know this goes a lot deeper
than that and says no.
We need to get at the
underlying there are used
there are
feeling this cultural frenetic
conception that is entirely
unsustainable.
Now like you mentioned the fact that
the pope calls repeatedly in
the encyclical for radical change,
I want to ask you about a specific
citation from the leaked document
that period earlier this week,
he said.
And in a corrupt
culture
we can't believe that laws will
be enough to change behaviors
that affect the environment,
could you talk specifically about
that about the laws that he may
be referring to there.
Well,
I think that
when he referring to corruption
and I believe he referring
to the influence of
polling companies and multinational
corporations which we also put
out
the encyclical
and I think this is one of the most
significant thing about the
darkness.
One might expect
of a religious talking
about climate change
you erased
difference right say
we're,
we're all in this together
and certainly a possibility.
Earth has our common home
but it also recognizes
explicitly the power dynamics
in
capitalism,
which is to say that there
are forces witnesses
and they're
actively working against
change
and
and that is probably well he's
referring to when he's talking
about
how there may be lots that
the laws are enforced.
And you know I do you know the
laws are also inadequate,
which is also addressed
in the in the dark
and it has a very specific
calls for
know I'm not aware of all
the environmental law.
I wish to pay the darkness.
I haven't been able to look at,
look at
you know closely enough
and another thing I have
to say if you know I am.
You know I
have accepted and this invitation to
seek a confidence
which
is a
do you more deeply into the darkness.
Because
there is an understanding that
it does take time to digest a
document
at this
this multi-layered
and it
requires
that kind of deeper
and I think that this intervention
5 months ahead of the UN climate
conference in Paris
is tremendously significant,
it's going to push political leaders
should go further.
It's gonna be a tool for social movements,
a lot of the language of the kind
of justice movement has just
been adopted by the pope and you
you know phrases like ecological
debt.
The pub is talking about the death
well world owes to the poor.
This is a frightening
that comes,
originally
from Ecuador
from the
against drilling in the Amazon
and you know that he's he's.
This is a phrase that was
you never heard in mainstream circles.
Until
now,
just now actually,
I mean,
I've never seen such a mainstream
use of that term.
So it is very important
in that way,
but I mean I have to say
on a personal level,
that
as as thrilled as I am
that the,
that that that the Vatican
is leading in this way,
you know this pope is leading this way
and bringing together the fight
against poverty with
the fight
on climate change.
That doesn't mean
there's a
complete merger between the crime
and justice movement in the
Vatican,
you know,
I mean obviously there are huge
differences that remain over
issues
like
is quality
a reproductive rights and freedom
to name just a few.
Nathan Schneider your columnist
with the Catholic weekly America
you've been covering Catholic engagement
with climate change.
Talk about the scope of this,
I mean just for people to understand
what this encyclical is the
number of languages.
It's been released and how large it is
and what it means for the
Catholic community.
Well,
this is really the first
3rd world and cyclical
you know this is coming from a pope
who was shaped
in really significant ways by economic
crisis during the Cold War
in Argentina
and
being in the middle of
a battleground between
between the first and second world powers
it was drafted by
a cardinal from Ghana,
so this is coming from
the side of the world that we
don't normally hear from
and
it's
very much in line with things
that popes have been saying
for decades.
You know,
going back to Paul.
The 6th and John Polis second
Benedict,
the 16th,
so a lot of
the content is actually not
so new for Catholics
but the emphasis and that
that
that that
that the language of climate debt
the language is the recognition
that there is a
a divide here between the rich
countries in the poor
and this is a cry
from
the developing world from
what has been
labeled the 3rd world
for change.
We're gonna break and when we come back,
we'll hear
the words of Cardinal
Peter Turks and himself of Ghana.