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very strong into journey

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delays half measures

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so-called market solutions it very

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Probably the most significant parliament

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that the picture

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is the foreign grounding

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of frenetic

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in the wealthy world among the wealthy,

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and this is a really significant 
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trial they have it all ways and say no,

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we just will just have a green growth.

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well it will consume green products

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you know this goes a lot deeper 
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underlying there are used

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feeling this cultural frenetic 
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Now like you mentioned the fact that 
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the encyclical for radical change,

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I want to ask you about a specific

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citation from the leaked document

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that period earlier this week,

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he said.

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And in a corrupt

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we can't believe that laws will 
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that affect the environment,

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could you talk specifically about 
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when he referring to corruption

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and I believe he referring 
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polling companies and multinational 
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the encyclical

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and I think this is one of the most 
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of a religious talking 
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you erased

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difference right say

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and certainly a possibility.

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capitalism,

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which is to say that there 
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actively working against

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and that is probably well he's 
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how there may be lots that 
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which is also addressed

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know I'm not aware of all 
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I wish to pay the darkness.

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I haven't been able to look at,

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and another thing I have 
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have accepted and this invitation to

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seek a confidence

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there is an understanding that 
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5 months ahead of the UN climate

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conference in Paris

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is tremendously significant,

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it's going to push political leaders

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should go further.

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It's gonna be a tool for social movements,

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a lot of the language of the kind 
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well world owes to the poor.

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that comes,

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against drilling in the Amazon

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and you know that he's he's.

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but I mean I have to say 
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as as thrilled as I am

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that the,

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that that that the Vatican 
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you know this pope is leading this way

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and bringing together the fight 
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the fight

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there's a

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complete merger between the crime 
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Vatican,

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I mean obviously there are huge 
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a reproductive rights and freedom

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to name just a few.

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Nathan Schneider your columnist

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with the Catholic weekly America

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you've been covering Catholic engagement 
with climate change.

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Talk about the scope of this,

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I mean just for people to understand 
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number of languages.

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It's been released and how large it is

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and what it means for the 
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this is really the first 
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you know this is coming from a pope

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who was shaped

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in really significant ways by economic 
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being in the middle of 
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between the first and second world powers

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it was drafted by

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a cardinal from Ghana,

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so this is coming from

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the side of the world that we 
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it's

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very much in line with things 
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for decades.

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going back to Paul.

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The 6th and John Polis second

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the 16th,

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so a lot of

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the content is actually not 
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but the emphasis and that

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that that

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that the language of climate debt

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the language is the recognition 
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a divide here between the rich 
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and this is a cry

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the developing world from

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what has been

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for change.

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We're gonna break and when we come back,

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we'll hear

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the words of Cardinal

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Peter Turks and himself of Ghana.