0:00:10.000,0:14:03.000 This is Democracy Now democracy now.org [br]the war and peace report I 0:14:03.000,0:03:15.000 mean Goodman with their main chair. 0:13:35.000,0:04:59.000 We turn now to the Vatican where Pope [br]Francis has called for swift 0:05:29.000,0:03:22.000 action to save the planet [br]from environmental ruin 0:14:02.000,0:01:15.000 urging world leaders to hear a quote 0:06:05.000,0:12:08.000 the cry of the Earth and [br]the cry of the poor. 0:12:08.000,0:05:59.000 Earlier today, 0:05:59.000,0:08:42.000 the Vatican published the pope's [br]long awaited encyclical on the 0:08:42.000,0:10:34.000 environment and climate change, 0:10:34.000,0:15:14.000 Pope. 0:15:14.000,0:00:58.000 France has called for a change of [br]lifestyle and rich countries 0:02:38.000,0:03:09.000 steeped in a quote 0:07:59.000,0:04:31.000 throw away consumer culture 0:13:01.000,0:02:26.000 and an end to obstructionist attitudes [br]that sometimes put profit 0:08:16.000,0:15:47.000 before the common good. 0:16:09.000,0:06:10.000 NASDAQ. 0:07:52.000,0:11:03.000 Our house is going to ruin 0:05:14.000,0:07:56.000 and that harms everyone had expressed [br]through the poorest 0:17:16.000,0:10:59.000 my is therefore an appeal [br]for responsibility, 0:10:59.000,0:08:30.000 based on the past, 0:08:30.000,0:01:12.000 the guy has given to many crescendo 0:13:32.000,0:07:53.000 to and keep the 0:08:44.000,0:10:55.000 in which he was placed 0:05:36.000,0:06:18.000 I invite everyone to accept [br]with open hearts 0:09:48.000,0:06:11.000 stock you know I've which follows [br]the church's social document. 0:15:32.000,0:16:03.000 Hope Francis said. 0:16:03.000,0:05:27.000 Protecting the planet is a moral [br]and ethical imperative 0:10:37.000,0:14:19.000 for believers and nonbelievers alike 0:03:40.000,0:11:03.000 that should supersede political [br]and economic interests. 0:11:03.000,0:07:45.000 He also dismissed those who argue 0:14:05.000,0:17:18.000 that technology will solve all [br]environmental problems in the 0:17:18.000,0:16:02.000 global hunger and poverty will be [br]resolved simply by market growth 0:16:02.000,0:02:27.000 . A major 3 theme of the encyclical [br]as the disparity between rich 0:03:07.000,0:06:38.000 and poor, 0:06:38.000,0:14:48.000 he said. 0:14:48.000,0:04:29.000 Quote 0:09:59.000,0:17:32.000 we fail to see that some are mired [br]in desperate and degrading 0:02:43.000,0:06:25.000 poverty with no way out. 0:06:25.000,0:10:48.000 While others have not the faintest [br]idea of what to do with their 0:10:48.000,0:02:39.000 possessions 0:13:49.000,0:10:32.000 vainly showing off their [br]supposed superiority 0:15:42.000,0:11:15.000 and leaving behind them [br]so much waste which 0:16:25.000,0:15:16.000 if it were the case, 0:15:16.000,0:07:57.000 everywhere 0:14:07.000,0:02:10.000 would destroy the planet. 0:02:10.000,0:18:22.000 Environmental groups have welcomed [br]the pope's action on climate 0:18:22.000,0:10:43.000 change 0:17:33.000,0:07:37.000 just settle on a free oil is the [br]executive director of Greenpeace 0:08:07.000,0:04:18.000 in Italy 0:02:49.000,0:16:59.000 on the globe isn't. 0:17:49.000,0:14:10.000 As Greenpeace. 0:14:10.000,0:17:53.000 We have already expressed our gratitude [br]to his holiness because we 0:17:53.000,0:04:27.000 need to see climate change as a [br]mostly moral and ethical issue 0:11:37.000,0:08:59.000 climate change is already happening 0:13:59.000,0:09:42.000 and its effects have already been [br]disastrous on the poorest 0:09:42.000,0:18:12.000 countries 0:06:53.000,0:17:25.000 and the poorest people who don't [br]have the means to defend 0:17:25.000,0:12:47.000 themselves from it. 0:12:47.000,0:15:59.000 There are also part of the [br]human population who, 0:15:59.000,0:06:12.000 at the least responsibility [br]for what is happening. 0:06:12.000,0:14:34.000 Being that they consume less fossil fuels. 0:14:34.000,0:07:07.000 So we are absolutely grateful [br]for this in cyclical 0:13:37.000,0:13:09.000 that for us is a source of inspiration. 0:12:00.000,0:06:04.000 We're joined now by 2 guests Naomi [br]Klein is the author of this 0:06:44.000,0:08:25.000 changes everything, 0:08:25.000,0:17:26.000 capitalism versus the climate. 0:17:26.000,0:05:59.000 She's been invited to [br]speak at the Vatican, 0:05:59.000,0:17:32.000 where she will speak at the people [br]and planet first the imperative 0:03:03.000,0:17:04.000 to change course conference 0:05:55.000,0:16:57.000 she's joining us by Democracy [br]Now video stream 0:03:48.000,0:16:18.000 from Canada 0:06:19.000,0:05:50.000 and here in New York. 0:05:50.000,0:17:23.000 Nathan Schneider joins us columnist [br]in America magazine a national 0:17:23.000,0:10:06.000 Catholic weekly magazine published [br]by the Cheshire. 0:10:06.000,0:05:17.000 Thank you both 0:13:07.000,0:09:49.000 Naomi let's begin with you 0:16:20.000,0:09:53.000 respond to the Pope's encyclical 0:14:03.000,0:05:56.000 on climate change and the environment. 0:11:58.000,0:19:38.000 Yes, 0:19:38.000,0:06:59.000 you know. 0:06:59.000,0:04:50.000 Good morning. 0:04:50.000,0:13:00.000 Iranian and 0:10:01.000,0:14:31.000 and 0:18:41.000,0:03:44.000 before I you know I would really like to 0:05:15.000,0:10:28.000 express my deep deep sadness and outrage 0:16:38.000,0:12:49.000 at The Hague crime 0:19:19.000,0:17:10.000 in Charleston. 0:17:10.000,0:09:11.000 This is 0:12:12.000,0:09:36.000 a grief-stricken warning there [br]were having this conversation. 0:09:36.000,0:07:19.000 And it was an attack on a [br]religious institution, 0:07:19.000,0:03:41.000 which is also worth bearing 0:10:21.000,0:11:32.000 as well as an attack 0:17:52.000,0:05:26.000 on an African Americans. 0:05:26.000,0:11:26.000 I 0:16:36.000,0:08:29.000 you know I think that this you [br]know in the quicker we cannot 0:10:29.000,0:14:21.000 overstate the importance of it, 0:14:21.000,0:16:43.000 the impact that it will have. 0:16:43.000,0:09:48.000 It's hard to respond to a document [br]that runs a close to 200 pages 0:09:48.000,0:05:30.000 . When it was just released, 0:05:30.000,0:08:01.000 you know I'm right forum 0:19:21.000,0:14:42.000 few hours ago 0:19:52.000,0:14:33.000 where are still 0:18:53.000,0:05:14.000 dangerous 0:08:54.000,0:14:04.000 to hear 0:05:05.000,0:09:15.000 anybody 0:16:05.000,0:04:26.000 is 0:10:16.000,0:17:07.000 very clear. 0:17:07.000,0:04:58.000 A 0:10:08.000,0:09:20.000 door has just been opened and 0:13:30.000,0:18:20.000 and 0:10:41.000,0:11:52.000 I've got strong wind 0:19:42.000,0:05:44.000 is blowing through 0:11:34.000,0:18:04.000 where it 0:04:45.000,0:18:16.000 is now possible to 0:07:17.000,0:11:47.000 to 0:05:48.000,0:18:51.000 say some very powerful truth about [br]that the real implications 0:05:32.000,0:17:43.000 of climate change, 0:17:43.000,0:13:05.000 it really the root causes. 0:13:05.000,0:16:36.000 And I think a lot of 0:05:07.000,0:05:58.000 discussion about and 0:10:08.000,0:17:38.000 cyclical 0:06:19.000,0:17:10.000 in the US media cycle 0:04:31.000,0:08:51.000 has 0:12:21.000,0:18:43.000 focused and will continue to focus 0:06:34.000,0:08:06.000 on the impact on Republican, 0:08:06.000,0:10:26.000 and 0:13:56.000,0:15:48.000 while it's not heroes, 0:15:48.000,0:05:20.000 many of whom are Catholic, 0:05:20.000,0:07:21.000 and it is certainly 0:17:01.000,0:15:22.000 a challenge 0:09:03.000,0:15:24.000 to that demographic. 0:15:24.000,0:10:27.000 In the United States because the [br]pope is coming out so clearly 0:20:07.000,0:13:50.000 on the side of climate science [br]and saying this is real, 0:13:50.000,0:19:21.000 and this is happening, 0:19:21.000,0:15:45.000 but I think it's too easy to say [br]that this is just a challenge 0:19:55.000,0:13:26.000 to 0:09:07.000,0:05:19.000 Rick Santorum. 0:05:19.000,0:10:39.000 But 0:16:29.000,0:11:10.000 frankly, 0:11:10.000,0:19:23.000 it is also a challenge to Hillary [br]Clinton and Barack Obama 0:11:24.000,0:16:15.000 large part of the green movement 0:11:16.000,0:05:07.000 because 0:19:27.000,0:20:19.000 it is a rebuke of a slow action 0:19:30.000,0:17:21.000 very specifically 0:21:21.000,0:15:32.000 says that 0:07:53.000,0:05:37.000 climate denial is not just about denying [br]the science is also about 0:07:07.000,0:15:30.000 denying the urgency of the science. 0:15:30.000,0:16:51.000 The document is 0:21:01.000,0:16:03.000 very strong into journey 0:06:14.000,0:06:16.000 delays half measures 0:11:06.000,0:10:58.000 so-called market solutions it very 0:15:08.000,0:08:20.000 specifically criticizes 0:15:30.000,0:10:12.000 carbon markets a carbon offsetting 0:12:33.000,0:19:43.000 an inadequate 0:10:34.000,0:16:27.000 measure that will encourage speculation [br]and rapid consumption 0:08:28.000,0:16:58.000 everything. 0:16:58.000,0:10:30.000 Probably the most significant parliament 0:15:20.000,0:08:51.000 that the picture 0:12:31.000,0:19:42.000 is the foreign grounding 0:12:13.000,0:16:33.000 of 0:05:44.000,0:05:55.000 the culture 0:10:25.000,0:19:25.000 of frenetic 0:06:56.000,0:19:56.000 consumption 0:06:57.000,0:20:19.000 in the wealthy world among the wealthy, 0:20:19.000,0:11:33.000 and this is a really significant [br]because I think large parts 0:16:23.000,0:14:25.000 of the climate change discussion 0:18:15.000,0:17:37.000 trial they have it all ways and say no, 0:17:37.000,0:18:39.000 we just will just have a green growth. 0:18:39.000,0:18:40.000 Well just how 0:06:51.000,0:20:12.000 well it will consume green products 0:09:43.000,0:17:23.000 and 0:11:34.000,0:16:47.000 you know this goes a lot deeper [br]than that and says no. 0:16:47.000,0:19:38.000 We need to get at the 0:07:29.000,0:07:40.000 underlying there are used 0:14:20.000,0:09:11.000 there are 0:13:01.000,0:17:54.000 feeling this cultural frenetic [br]conception that is entirely 0:21:44.000,0:17:05.000 unsustainable. 0:16:36.000,0:12:10.000 Now like you mentioned the fact that [br]the pope calls repeatedly in 0:12:10.000,0:06:43.000 the encyclical for radical change, 0:06:43.000,0:20:04.000 I want to ask you about a specific 0:08:05.000,0:10:37.000 citation from the leaked document 0:16:47.000,0:08:50.000 that period earlier this week, 0:08:50.000,0:20:50.000 he said. 0:20:50.000,0:18:31.000 And in a corrupt 0:07:22.000,0:15:42.000 culture 0:07:03.000,0:11:37.000 we can't believe that laws will [br]be enough to change behaviors 0:19:07.000,0:21:49.000 that affect the environment, 0:21:49.000,0:20:13.000 could you talk specifically about [br]that about the laws that he may 0:20:13.000,0:09:35.000 be referring to there. 0:21:46.000,0:08:47.000 Well, 0:08:47.000,0:16:47.000 I think that 0:21:07.000,0:17:09.000 when he referring to corruption 0:21:59.000,0:15:23.000 and I believe he referring [br]to the influence of 0:08:14.000,0:20:27.000 polling companies and multinational [br]corporations which we also put 0:20:27.000,0:22:17.000 out 0:10:58.000,0:22:38.000 the encyclical 0:13:39.000,0:15:32.000 and I think this is one of the most [br]significant thing about the 0:15:32.000,0:08:23.000 darkness. 0:08:23.000,0:10:24.000 One might expect 0:15:04.000,0:18:56.000 of a religious talking [br]about climate change 0:13:27.000,0:07:58.000 you erased 0:15:28.000,0:13:49.000 difference right say 0:17:19.000,0:22:19.000 we're, 0:22:19.000,0:14:11.000 we're all in this together 0:17:41.000,0:22:32.000 and certainly a possibility. 0:22:32.000,0:12:14.000 Earth has our common home 0:18:24.000,0:17:36.000 but it also recognizes 0:11:37.000,0:12:39.000 explicitly the power dynamics 0:16:39.000,0:20:49.000 in 0:10:40.000,0:09:11.000 capitalism, 0:09:11.000,0:13:13.000 which is to say that there [br]are forces witnesses 0:17:53.000,0:22:53.000 and they're 0:12:54.000,0:12:55.000 actively working against 0:21:45.000,0:13:46.000 change 0:19:56.000,0:10:17.000 and 0:08:08.000,0:20:21.000 and that is probably well he's [br]referring to when he's talking 0:20:21.000,0:10:02.000 about 0:19:52.000,0:13:56.000 how there may be lots that [br]the laws are enforced. 0:13:56.000,0:11:59.000 And you know I do you know the [br]laws are also inadequate, 0:11:59.000,0:11:30.000 which is also addressed 0:15:30.000,0:11:51.000 in the in the dark 0:15:21.000,0:08:03.000 and it has a very specific 0:22:53.000,0:23:34.000 calls for 0:11:15.000,0:20:07.000 know I'm not aware of all [br]the environmental law. 0:20:07.000,0:10:39.000 I wish to pay the darkness. 0:10:39.000,0:20:20.000 I haven't been able to look at, 0:20:20.000,0:09:41.000 look at 0:18:42.000,0:20:13.000 you know closely enough 0:23:43.000,0:08:36.000 and another thing I have [br]to say if you know I am. 0:08:36.000,0:13:56.000 You know I 0:18:46.000,0:08:39.000 have accepted and this invitation to 0:14:49.000,0:18:10.000 seek a confidence 0:14:31.000,0:21:01.000 which 0:08:12.000,0:12:32.000 is a 0:18:12.000,0:12:34.000 do you more deeply into the darkness. 0:12:34.000,0:15:54.000 Because 0:18:25.000,0:21:48.000 there is an understanding that [br]it does take time to digest a 0:22:48.000,0:08:59.000 document 0:12:39.000,0:17:29.000 at this 0:09:00.000,0:08:51.000 this multi-layered 0:11:02.000,0:23:12.000 and it 0:13:33.000,0:23:13.000 requires 0:11:04.000,0:12:35.000 that kind of deeper 0:20:06.000,0:12:18.000 and I think that this intervention 0:16:08.000,0:11:20.000 5 months ahead of the UN climate 0:18:20.000,0:16:41.000 conference in Paris 0:24:21.000,0:20:13.000 is tremendously significant, 0:20:13.000,0:18:55.000 it's going to push political leaders 0:08:46.000,0:11:57.000 should go further. 0:11:57.000,0:10:59.000 It's gonna be a tool for social movements, 0:10:59.000,0:24:02.000 a lot of the language of the kind [br]of justice movement has just 0:09:53.000,0:13:37.000 been adopted by the pope and you [br]you know phrases like ecological 0:15:47.000,0:09:48.000 debt. 0:09:48.000,0:20:09.000 The pub is talking about the death 0:13:00.000,0:14:22.000 well world owes to the poor. 0:14:22.000,0:14:23.000 This is a frightening 0:20:33.000,0:19:54.000 that comes, 0:19:54.000,0:13:55.000 originally 0:14:06.000,0:10:47.000 from Ecuador 0:22:47.000,0:11:08.000 from the 0:24:18.000,0:18:00.000 against drilling in the Amazon 0:16:01.000,0:22:32.000 and you know that he's he's. 0:22:32.000,0:08:54.000 This is a phrase that was 0:19:34.000,0:23:06.000 you never heard in mainstream circles. 0:23:06.000,0:14:47.000 Until 0:24:37.000,0:13:18.000 now, 0:13:18.000,0:15:29.000 just now actually, 0:15:29.000,0:18:59.000 I mean, 0:18:59.000,0:11:41.000 I've never seen such a mainstream 0:17:41.000,0:24:42.000 use of that term. 0:24:42.000,0:12:14.000 So it is very important 0:21:04.000,0:15:35.000 in that way, 0:15:35.000,0:15:07.000 but I mean I have to say [br]on a personal level, 0:15:07.000,0:19:07.000 that 0:12:18.000,0:09:30.000 as as thrilled as I am 0:21:20.000,0:09:52.000 that the, 0:09:52.000,0:09:14.000 that that that the Vatican [br]is leading in this way, 0:09:14.000,0:18:15.000 you know this pope is leading this way 0:14:56.000,0:18:59.000 and bringing together the fight [br]against poverty with 0:18:00.000,0:24:30.000 the fight 0:12:01.000,0:23:11.000 on climate change. 0:23:11.000,0:19:12.000 That doesn't mean 0:24:53.000,0:16:04.000 there's a 0:19:44.000,0:11:47.000 complete merger between the crime [br]and justice movement in the 0:11:47.000,0:20:37.000 Vatican, 0:20:37.000,0:23:37.000 you know, 0:23:37.000,0:20:40.000 I mean obviously there are huge [br]differences that remain over 0:20:40.000,0:13:11.000 issues 0:17:11.000,0:20:11.000 like 0:24:21.000,0:19:22.000 is quality 0:23:23.000,0:14:15.000 a reproductive rights and freedom 0:09:26.000,0:24:46.000 to name just a few. 0:21:47.000,0:16:39.000 Nathan Schneider your columnist 0:21:09.000,0:11:22.000 with the Catholic weekly America 0:23:22.000,0:25:26.000 you've been covering Catholic engagement [br]with climate change. 0:25:26.000,0:11:19.000 Talk about the scope of this, 0:11:19.000,0:15:32.000 I mean just for people to understand [br]what this encyclical is the 0:15:32.000,0:18:43.000 number of languages. 0:18:43.000,0:19:45.000 It's been released and how large it is 0:25:15.000,0:10:48.000 and what it means for the [br]Catholic community. 0:15:38.000,0:17:48.000 Well, 0:17:48.000,0:10:31.000 this is really the first [br]3rd world and cyclical 0:18:01.000,0:12:03.000 you know this is coming from a pope 0:22:53.000,0:23:24.000 who was shaped 0:10:35.000,0:25:08.000 in really significant ways by economic [br]crisis during the Cold War 0:12:19.000,0:14:30.000 in Argentina 0:24:50.000,0:13:41.000 and 0:25:11.000,0:12:34.000 being in the middle of [br]a battleground between 0:21:45.000,0:19:57.000 between the first and second world powers 0:24:07.000,0:12:09.000 it was drafted by 0:20:19.000,0:19:01.000 a cardinal from Ghana, 0:19:01.000,0:11:03.000 so this is coming from 0:15:43.000,0:11:36.000 the side of the world that we [br]don't normally hear from 0:19:36.000,0:25:56.000 and 0:14:17.000,0:19:57.000 it's 0:24:37.000,0:26:00.000 very much in line with things [br]that popes have been saying 0:13:21.000,0:15:52.000 for decades. 0:15:52.000,0:20:02.000 You know, 0:20:02.000,0:22:13.000 going back to Paul. 0:22:13.000,0:20:35.000 The 6th and John Polis second 0:25:35.000,0:14:56.000 Benedict, 0:14:56.000,0:14:57.000 the 16th, 0:14:57.000,0:12:58.000 so a lot of 0:20:08.000,0:21:41.000 the content is actually not [br]so new for Catholics 0:25:11.000,0:21:43.000 but the emphasis and that 0:26:03.000,0:14:34.000 that 0:26:24.000,0:20:05.000 that that 0:16:56.000,0:15:38.000 that the language of climate debt 0:19:08.000,0:16:01.000 the language is the recognition [br]that there is a 0:19:31.000,0:19:54.000 a divide here between the rich [br]countries in the poor 0:23:24.000,0:24:45.000 and this is a cry 0:12:16.000,0:20:16.000 from 0:23:46.000,0:16:28.000 the developing world from 0:24:58.000,0:20:49.000 what has been 0:26:19.000,0:13:31.000 labeled the 3rd world 0:23:51.000,0:15:02.000 for change. 0:22:12.000,0:18:14.000 We're gonna break and when we come back, 0:18:14.000,0:15:35.000 we'll hear 0:19:55.000,0:24:16.000 the words of Cardinal 0:15:17.000,0:15:20.000 Peter Turks and himself of Ghana. 0:15:20.000,0:19:52.000 We urge you to stay with us.