1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:14:03,000 This is Democracy Now democracy now.org the war and peace report I 2 00:14:03,000 --> 00:03:15,000 mean Goodman with their main chair. 3 00:13:35,000 --> 00:04:59,000 We turn now to the Vatican where Pope Francis has called for swift 4 00:05:29,000 --> 00:03:22,000 action to save the planet from environmental ruin 5 00:14:02,000 --> 00:01:15,000 urging world leaders to hear a quote 6 00:06:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 the cry of the Earth and the cry of the poor. 7 00:12:08,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Earlier today, 8 00:05:59,000 --> 00:08:42,000 the Vatican published the pope's long awaited encyclical on the 9 00:08:42,000 --> 00:10:34,000 environment and climate change, 10 00:10:34,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Pope. 11 00:15:14,000 --> 00:00:58,000 France has called for a change of lifestyle and rich countries 12 00:02:38,000 --> 00:03:09,000 steeped in a quote 13 00:07:59,000 --> 00:04:31,000 throw away consumer culture 14 00:13:01,000 --> 00:02:26,000 and an end to obstructionist attitudes that sometimes put profit 15 00:08:16,000 --> 00:15:47,000 before the common good. 16 00:16:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 NASDAQ. 17 00:07:52,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Our house is going to ruin 18 00:05:14,000 --> 00:07:56,000 and that harms everyone had expressed through the poorest 19 00:17:16,000 --> 00:10:59,000 my is therefore an appeal for responsibility, 20 00:10:59,000 --> 00:08:30,000 based on the past, 21 00:08:30,000 --> 00:01:12,000 the guy has given to many crescendo 22 00:13:32,000 --> 00:07:53,000 to and keep the 23 00:08:44,000 --> 00:10:55,000 in which he was placed 24 00:05:36,000 --> 00:06:18,000 I invite everyone to accept with open hearts 25 00:09:48,000 --> 00:06:11,000 stock you know I've which follows the church's social document. 26 00:15:32,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Hope Francis said. 27 00:16:03,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Protecting the planet is a moral and ethical imperative 28 00:10:37,000 --> 00:14:19,000 for believers and nonbelievers alike 29 00:03:40,000 --> 00:11:03,000 that should supersede political and economic interests. 30 00:11:03,000 --> 00:07:45,000 He also dismissed those who argue 31 00:14:05,000 --> 00:17:18,000 that technology will solve all environmental problems in the 32 00:17:18,000 --> 00:16:02,000 global hunger and poverty will be resolved simply by market growth 33 00:16:02,000 --> 00:02:27,000 . A major 3 theme of the encyclical as the disparity between rich 34 00:03:07,000 --> 00:06:38,000 and poor, 35 00:06:38,000 --> 00:14:48,000 he said. 36 00:14:48,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Quote 37 00:09:59,000 --> 00:17:32,000 we fail to see that some are mired in desperate and degrading 38 00:02:43,000 --> 00:06:25,000 poverty with no way out. 39 00:06:25,000 --> 00:10:48,000 While others have not the faintest idea of what to do with their 40 00:10:48,000 --> 00:02:39,000 possessions 41 00:13:49,000 --> 00:10:32,000 vainly showing off their supposed superiority 42 00:15:42,000 --> 00:11:15,000 and leaving behind them so much waste which 43 00:16:25,000 --> 00:15:16,000 if it were the case, 44 00:15:16,000 --> 00:07:57,000 everywhere 45 00:14:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 would destroy the planet. 46 00:02:10,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Environmental groups have welcomed the pope's action on climate 47 00:18:22,000 --> 00:10:43,000 change 48 00:17:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 just settle on a free oil is the executive director of Greenpeace 49 00:08:07,000 --> 00:04:18,000 in Italy 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:16:59,000 on the globe isn't. 51 00:17:49,000 --> 00:14:10,000 As Greenpeace. 52 00:14:10,000 --> 00:17:53,000 We have already expressed our gratitude to his holiness because we 53 00:17:53,000 --> 00:04:27,000 need to see climate change as a mostly moral and ethical issue 54 00:11:37,000 --> 00:08:59,000 climate change is already happening 55 00:13:59,000 --> 00:09:42,000 and its effects have already been disastrous on the poorest 56 00:09:42,000 --> 00:18:12,000 countries 57 00:06:53,000 --> 00:17:25,000 and the poorest people who don't have the means to defend 58 00:17:25,000 --> 00:12:47,000 themselves from it. 59 00:12:47,000 --> 00:15:59,000 There are also part of the human population who, 60 00:15:59,000 --> 00:06:12,000 at the least responsibility for what is happening. 61 00:06:12,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Being that they consume less fossil fuels. 62 00:14:34,000 --> 00:07:07,000 So we are absolutely grateful for this in cyclical 63 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:09,000 that for us is a source of inspiration. 64 00:12:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 We're joined now by 2 guests Naomi Klein is the author of this 65 00:06:44,000 --> 00:08:25,000 changes everything, 66 00:08:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 capitalism versus the climate. 67 00:17:26,000 --> 00:05:59,000 She's been invited to speak at the Vatican, 68 00:05:59,000 --> 00:17:32,000 where she will speak at the people and planet first the imperative 69 00:03:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 to change course conference 70 00:05:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 she's joining us by Democracy Now video stream 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:16:18,000 from Canada 72 00:06:19,000 --> 00:05:50,000 and here in New York. 73 00:05:50,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Nathan Schneider joins us columnist in America magazine a national 74 00:17:23,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Catholic weekly magazine published by the Cheshire. 75 00:10:06,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Thank you both 76 00:13:07,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Naomi let's begin with you 77 00:16:20,000 --> 00:09:53,000 respond to the Pope's encyclical 78 00:14:03,000 --> 00:05:56,000 on climate change and the environment. 79 00:11:58,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Yes, 80 00:19:38,000 --> 00:06:59,000 you know. 81 00:06:59,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Good morning. 82 00:04:50,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Iranian and 83 00:10:01,000 --> 00:14:31,000 and 84 00:18:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000 before I you know I would really like to 85 00:05:15,000 --> 00:10:28,000 express my deep deep sadness and outrage 86 00:16:38,000 --> 00:12:49,000 at The Hague crime 87 00:19:19,000 --> 00:17:10,000 in Charleston. 88 00:17:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 This is 89 00:12:12,000 --> 00:09:36,000 a grief-stricken warning there were having this conversation. 90 00:09:36,000 --> 00:07:19,000 And it was an attack on a religious institution, 91 00:07:19,000 --> 00:03:41,000 which is also worth bearing 92 00:10:21,000 --> 00:11:32,000 as well as an attack 93 00:17:52,000 --> 00:05:26,000 on an African Americans. 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I 95 00:16:36,000 --> 00:08:29,000 you know I think that this you know in the quicker we cannot 96 00:10:29,000 --> 00:14:21,000 overstate the importance of it, 97 00:14:21,000 --> 00:16:43,000 the impact that it will have. 98 00:16:43,000 --> 00:09:48,000 It's hard to respond to a document that runs a close to 200 pages 99 00:09:48,000 --> 00:05:30,000 . When it was just released, 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:08:01,000 you know I'm right forum 101 00:19:21,000 --> 00:14:42,000 few hours ago 102 00:19:52,000 --> 00:14:33,000 where are still 103 00:18:53,000 --> 00:05:14,000 dangerous 104 00:08:54,000 --> 00:14:04,000 to hear 105 00:05:05,000 --> 00:09:15,000 anybody 106 00:16:05,000 --> 00:04:26,000 is 107 00:10:16,000 --> 00:17:07,000 very clear. 108 00:17:07,000 --> 00:04:58,000 A 109 00:10:08,000 --> 00:09:20,000 door has just been opened and 110 00:13:30,000 --> 00:18:20,000 and 111 00:10:41,000 --> 00:11:52,000 I've got strong wind 112 00:19:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 is blowing through 113 00:11:34,000 --> 00:18:04,000 where it 114 00:04:45,000 --> 00:18:16,000 is now possible to 115 00:07:17,000 --> 00:11:47,000 to 116 00:05:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000 say some very powerful truth about that the real implications 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:17:43,000 of climate change, 118 00:17:43,000 --> 00:13:05,000 it really the root causes. 119 00:13:05,000 --> 00:16:36,000 And I think a lot of 120 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:58,000 discussion about and 121 00:10:08,000 --> 00:17:38,000 cyclical 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:17:10,000 in the US media cycle 123 00:04:31,000 --> 00:08:51,000 has 124 00:12:21,000 --> 00:18:43,000 focused and will continue to focus 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:08:06,000 on the impact on Republican, 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:10:26,000 and 127 00:13:56,000 --> 00:15:48,000 while it's not heroes, 128 00:15:48,000 --> 00:05:20,000 many of whom are Catholic, 129 00:05:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 and it is certainly 130 00:17:01,000 --> 00:15:22,000 a challenge 131 00:09:03,000 --> 00:15:24,000 to that demographic. 132 00:15:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 In the United States because the pope is coming out so clearly 133 00:20:07,000 --> 00:13:50,000 on the side of climate science and saying this is real, 134 00:13:50,000 --> 00:19:21,000 and this is happening, 135 00:19:21,000 --> 00:15:45,000 but I think it's too easy to say that this is just a challenge 136 00:19:55,000 --> 00:13:26,000 to 137 00:09:07,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Rick Santorum. 138 00:05:19,000 --> 00:10:39,000 But 139 00:16:29,000 --> 00:11:10,000 frankly, 140 00:11:10,000 --> 00:19:23,000 it is also a challenge to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama 141 00:11:24,000 --> 00:16:15,000 large part of the green movement 142 00:11:16,000 --> 00:05:07,000 because 143 00:19:27,000 --> 00:20:19,000 it is a rebuke of a slow action 144 00:19:30,000 --> 00:17:21,000 very specifically 145 00:21:21,000 --> 00:15:32,000 says that 146 00:07:53,000 --> 00:05:37,000 climate denial is not just about denying the science is also about 147 00:07:07,000 --> 00:15:30,000 denying the urgency of the science. 148 00:15:30,000 --> 00:16:51,000 The document is 149 00:21:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 very strong into journey 150 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 delays half measures 151 00:11:06,000 --> 00:10:58,000 so-called market solutions it very 152 00:15:08,000 --> 00:08:20,000 specifically criticizes 153 00:15:30,000 --> 00:10:12,000 carbon markets a carbon offsetting 154 00:12:33,000 --> 00:19:43,000 an inadequate 155 00:10:34,000 --> 00:16:27,000 measure that will encourage speculation and rapid consumption 156 00:08:28,000 --> 00:16:58,000 everything. 157 00:16:58,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Probably the most significant parliament 158 00:15:20,000 --> 00:08:51,000 that the picture 159 00:12:31,000 --> 00:19:42,000 is the foreign grounding 160 00:12:13,000 --> 00:16:33,000 of 161 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:55,000 the culture 162 00:10:25,000 --> 00:19:25,000 of frenetic 163 00:06:56,000 --> 00:19:56,000 consumption 164 00:06:57,000 --> 00:20:19,000 in the wealthy world among the wealthy, 165 00:20:19,000 --> 00:11:33,000 and this is a really significant because I think large parts 166 00:16:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 of the climate change discussion 167 00:18:15,000 --> 00:17:37,000 trial they have it all ways and say no, 168 00:17:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 we just will just have a green growth. 169 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Well just how 170 00:06:51,000 --> 00:20:12,000 well it will consume green products 171 00:09:43,000 --> 00:17:23,000 and 172 00:11:34,000 --> 00:16:47,000 you know this goes a lot deeper than that and says no. 173 00:16:47,000 --> 00:19:38,000 We need to get at the 174 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:40,000 underlying there are used 175 00:14:20,000 --> 00:09:11,000 there are 176 00:13:01,000 --> 00:17:54,000 feeling this cultural frenetic conception that is entirely 177 00:21:44,000 --> 00:17:05,000 unsustainable. 178 00:16:36,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Now like you mentioned the fact that the pope calls repeatedly in 179 00:12:10,000 --> 00:06:43,000 the encyclical for radical change, 180 00:06:43,000 --> 00:20:04,000 I want to ask you about a specific 181 00:08:05,000 --> 00:10:37,000 citation from the leaked document 182 00:16:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 that period earlier this week, 183 00:08:50,000 --> 00:20:50,000 he said. 184 00:20:50,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And in a corrupt 185 00:07:22,000 --> 00:15:42,000 culture 186 00:07:03,000 --> 00:11:37,000 we can't believe that laws will be enough to change behaviors 187 00:19:07,000 --> 00:21:49,000 that affect the environment, 188 00:21:49,000 --> 00:20:13,000 could you talk specifically about that about the laws that he may 189 00:20:13,000 --> 00:09:35,000 be referring to there. 190 00:21:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Well, 191 00:08:47,000 --> 00:16:47,000 I think that 192 00:21:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000 when he referring to corruption 193 00:21:59,000 --> 00:15:23,000 and I believe he referring to the influence of 194 00:08:14,000 --> 00:20:27,000 polling companies and multinational corporations which we also put 195 00:20:27,000 --> 00:22:17,000 out 196 00:10:58,000 --> 00:22:38,000 the encyclical 197 00:13:39,000 --> 00:15:32,000 and I think this is one of the most significant thing about the 198 00:15:32,000 --> 00:08:23,000 darkness. 199 00:08:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 One might expect 200 00:15:04,000 --> 00:18:56,000 of a religious talking about climate change 201 00:13:27,000 --> 00:07:58,000 you erased 202 00:15:28,000 --> 00:13:49,000 difference right say 203 00:17:19,000 --> 00:22:19,000 we're, 204 00:22:19,000 --> 00:14:11,000 we're all in this together 205 00:17:41,000 --> 00:22:32,000 and certainly a possibility. 206 00:22:32,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Earth has our common home 207 00:18:24,000 --> 00:17:36,000 but it also recognizes 208 00:11:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 explicitly the power dynamics 209 00:16:39,000 --> 00:20:49,000 in 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:09:11,000 capitalism, 211 00:09:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 which is to say that there are forces witnesses 212 00:17:53,000 --> 00:22:53,000 and they're 213 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 actively working against 214 00:21:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 change 215 00:19:56,000 --> 00:10:17,000 and 216 00:08:08,000 --> 00:20:21,000 and that is probably well he's referring to when he's talking 217 00:20:21,000 --> 00:10:02,000 about 218 00:19:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 how there may be lots that the laws are enforced. 219 00:13:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 And you know I do you know the laws are also inadequate, 220 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:30,000 which is also addressed 221 00:15:30,000 --> 00:11:51,000 in the in the dark 222 00:15:21,000 --> 00:08:03,000 and it has a very specific 223 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:34,000 calls for 224 00:11:15,000 --> 00:20:07,000 know I'm not aware of all the environmental law. 225 00:20:07,000 --> 00:10:39,000 I wish to pay the darkness. 226 00:10:39,000 --> 00:20:20,000 I haven't been able to look at, 227 00:20:20,000 --> 00:09:41,000 look at 228 00:18:42,000 --> 00:20:13,000 you know closely enough 229 00:23:43,000 --> 00:08:36,000 and another thing I have to say if you know I am. 230 00:08:36,000 --> 00:13:56,000 You know I 231 00:18:46,000 --> 00:08:39,000 have accepted and this invitation to 232 00:14:49,000 --> 00:18:10,000 seek a confidence 233 00:14:31,000 --> 00:21:01,000 which 234 00:08:12,000 --> 00:12:32,000 is a 235 00:18:12,000 --> 00:12:34,000 do you more deeply into the darkness. 236 00:12:34,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Because 237 00:18:25,000 --> 00:21:48,000 there is an understanding that it does take time to digest a 238 00:22:48,000 --> 00:08:59,000 document 239 00:12:39,000 --> 00:17:29,000 at this 240 00:09:00,000 --> 00:08:51,000 this multi-layered 241 00:11:02,000 --> 00:23:12,000 and it 242 00:13:33,000 --> 00:23:13,000 requires 243 00:11:04,000 --> 00:12:35,000 that kind of deeper 244 00:20:06,000 --> 00:12:18,000 and I think that this intervention 245 00:16:08,000 --> 00:11:20,000 5 months ahead of the UN climate 246 00:18:20,000 --> 00:16:41,000 conference in Paris 247 00:24:21,000 --> 00:20:13,000 is tremendously significant, 248 00:20:13,000 --> 00:18:55,000 it's going to push political leaders 249 00:08:46,000 --> 00:11:57,000 should go further. 250 00:11:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 It's gonna be a tool for social movements, 251 00:10:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 a lot of the language of the kind of justice movement has just 252 00:09:53,000 --> 00:13:37,000 been adopted by the pope and you you know phrases like ecological 253 00:15:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 debt. 254 00:09:48,000 --> 00:20:09,000 The pub is talking about the death 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:14:22,000 well world owes to the poor. 256 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 This is a frightening 257 00:20:33,000 --> 00:19:54,000 that comes, 258 00:19:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 originally 259 00:14:06,000 --> 00:10:47,000 from Ecuador 260 00:22:47,000 --> 00:11:08,000 from the 261 00:24:18,000 --> 00:18:00,000 against drilling in the Amazon 262 00:16:01,000 --> 00:22:32,000 and you know that he's he's. 263 00:22:32,000 --> 00:08:54,000 This is a phrase that was 264 00:19:34,000 --> 00:23:06,000 you never heard in mainstream circles. 265 00:23:06,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Until 266 00:24:37,000 --> 00:13:18,000 now, 267 00:13:18,000 --> 00:15:29,000 just now actually, 268 00:15:29,000 --> 00:18:59,000 I mean, 269 00:18:59,000 --> 00:11:41,000 I've never seen such a mainstream 270 00:17:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 use of that term. 271 00:24:42,000 --> 00:12:14,000 So it is very important 272 00:21:04,000 --> 00:15:35,000 in that way, 273 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:07,000 but I mean I have to say on a personal level, 274 00:15:07,000 --> 00:19:07,000 that 275 00:12:18,000 --> 00:09:30,000 as as thrilled as I am 276 00:21:20,000 --> 00:09:52,000 that the, 277 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:14,000 that that that the Vatican is leading in this way, 278 00:09:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 you know this pope is leading this way 279 00:14:56,000 --> 00:18:59,000 and bringing together the fight against poverty with 280 00:18:00,000 --> 00:24:30,000 the fight 281 00:12:01,000 --> 00:23:11,000 on climate change. 282 00:23:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000 That doesn't mean 283 00:24:53,000 --> 00:16:04,000 there's a 284 00:19:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 complete merger between the crime and justice movement in the 285 00:11:47,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Vatican, 286 00:20:37,000 --> 00:23:37,000 you know, 287 00:23:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000 I mean obviously there are huge differences that remain over 288 00:20:40,000 --> 00:13:11,000 issues 289 00:17:11,000 --> 00:20:11,000 like 290 00:24:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 is quality 291 00:23:23,000 --> 00:14:15,000 a reproductive rights and freedom 292 00:09:26,000 --> 00:24:46,000 to name just a few. 293 00:21:47,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Nathan Schneider your columnist 294 00:21:09,000 --> 00:11:22,000 with the Catholic weekly America 295 00:23:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 you've been covering Catholic engagement with climate change. 296 00:25:26,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Talk about the scope of this, 297 00:11:19,000 --> 00:15:32,000 I mean just for people to understand what this encyclical is the 298 00:15:32,000 --> 00:18:43,000 number of languages. 299 00:18:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 It's been released and how large it is 300 00:25:15,000 --> 00:10:48,000 and what it means for the Catholic community. 301 00:15:38,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Well, 302 00:17:48,000 --> 00:10:31,000 this is really the first 3rd world and cyclical 303 00:18:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 you know this is coming from a pope 304 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:24,000 who was shaped 305 00:10:35,000 --> 00:25:08,000 in really significant ways by economic crisis during the Cold War 306 00:12:19,000 --> 00:14:30,000 in Argentina 307 00:24:50,000 --> 00:13:41,000 and 308 00:25:11,000 --> 00:12:34,000 being in the middle of a battleground between 309 00:21:45,000 --> 00:19:57,000 between the first and second world powers 310 00:24:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 it was drafted by 311 00:20:19,000 --> 00:19:01,000 a cardinal from Ghana, 312 00:19:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 so this is coming from 313 00:15:43,000 --> 00:11:36,000 the side of the world that we don't normally hear from 314 00:19:36,000 --> 00:25:56,000 and 315 00:14:17,000 --> 00:19:57,000 it's 316 00:24:37,000 --> 00:26:00,000 very much in line with things that popes have been saying 317 00:13:21,000 --> 00:15:52,000 for decades. 318 00:15:52,000 --> 00:20:02,000 You know, 319 00:20:02,000 --> 00:22:13,000 going back to Paul. 320 00:22:13,000 --> 00:20:35,000 The 6th and John Polis second 321 00:25:35,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Benedict, 322 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 the 16th, 323 00:14:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 so a lot of 324 00:20:08,000 --> 00:21:41,000 the content is actually not so new for Catholics 325 00:25:11,000 --> 00:21:43,000 but the emphasis and that 326 00:26:03,000 --> 00:14:34,000 that 327 00:26:24,000 --> 00:20:05,000 that that 328 00:16:56,000 --> 00:15:38,000 that the language of climate debt 329 00:19:08,000 --> 00:16:01,000 the language is the recognition that there is a 330 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:54,000 a divide here between the rich countries in the poor 331 00:23:24,000 --> 00:24:45,000 and this is a cry 332 00:12:16,000 --> 00:20:16,000 from 333 00:23:46,000 --> 00:16:28,000 the developing world from 334 00:24:58,000 --> 00:20:49,000 what has been 335 00:26:19,000 --> 00:13:31,000 labeled the 3rd world 336 00:23:51,000 --> 00:15:02,000 for change. 337 00:22:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 We're gonna break and when we come back, 338 00:18:14,000 --> 00:15:35,000 we'll hear 339 00:19:55,000 --> 00:24:16,000 the words of Cardinal 340 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Peter Turks and himself of Ghana. 341 00:15:20,000 --> 00:19:52,000 We urge you to stay with us.