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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.92,0:00:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm moving around, so I'm masking. I am\Nour mobile microphone, but we have a
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.91,0:00:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standard microphone also. We have\Npeople all over the place in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.36,0:00:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at home and we also have a resident\Nquestion asker right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.19,0:00:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he's going to represent the\Nonline questions right?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.64,0:00:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes, correct.\NAlso, so you all know
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.97,0:00:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not know what any of the\Nquestions are in advance. I will be
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.29,0:00:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hearing them all for the first time,\Nwhich also means I might not know the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.93,0:00:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer or I might pass it to someone\Nin the audience, or sometimes I
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.65,0:00:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just don't know. So that's what \Nhappens with these.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.04,0:00:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my job. The passing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.41,0:00:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, so we can kind of start \Nwherever you want. We can start
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.26,0:00:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with in-person. We can start with some\Npre-submitted. We can start with some
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.97,0:00:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently submitted. We have an \Nin-person -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.68,0:00:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looks like we have a hand right here.\NYou mind coming over to the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.54,0:00:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,microphone? Just so folks on the livestream\Ncan hear. And if you have also a
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.29,0:00:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question, feel free to go up and line\Nup. We're going to prioritize, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.85,0:01:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those of you who came on a train for two\Nand a half days to be here and then I
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.52,0:01:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think Paul will be reading some of the\Nones that are coming in via the social
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.18,0:01:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,channels. YouTube, Twitter, etc. So\Nwe'll have a mix of both.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.19,0:01:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we'll have food and drinks.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.55,0:01:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks so much for the presentation.\NVery exciting stuff. Looking forward to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.73,0:01:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future. My question is about Openverse.\NAnd I wonder if you could speak a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.22,0:01:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit about the safety measures\Nthat have been thought about or will
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.44,0:01:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to be thought about in terms of the\Ncontent that is uploaded there? Will
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.82,0:01:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EXIF data be removed from photos that\Nare uploaded? That's my question.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.82,0:01:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a great question, actually. So\Nfirst, I do not know if we've thought of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.37,0:01:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EXIF before. So you actually just raised\Nsomething really great that we should
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.50,0:01:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,write down and look at later. I will say\Nthat - so there's two things there.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.61,0:02:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's Openverse, which is - think of it\Nlike a search engine. So it's crawling
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.84,0:02:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literally the whole web, and looking for\Nthings that are Creative Commons
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.96,0:02:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,licensed and providing a directory of\Nthem. So what people publish to their own
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.28,0:02:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,websites is kind of the state of\Nresponsibility there. But it's kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.76,0:02:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a Google but for Creative Commons\Nlicensed content. That is separate from
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.83,0:02:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the WordPress.org/Photos directory that\Nwe've created, which is kind of like a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.78,0:02:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Getty or an Unsplash or everything\Nbut all CC0 licensed forever and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.13,0:02:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever. By the way, we're not going to\Nchange that on you like some other photo
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.40,0:02:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directories have. That goes to\Nmoderation. If you want to submit to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.52,0:02:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something there, you'll see that right\Nnow, it says, "Hey" - one of the checkboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.44,0:02:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it certifies, of course, one, that\Nyou have rights to the photo. Please
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.98,0:02:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't upload other people's photos to it,\Nonly your own. But, two, that it doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.85,0:02:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any human faces or other copy\Nwritten material in the photo itself. So
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.84,0:03:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this first phase of the photo directory\Nreally focused on things that can truly be
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.13,0:03:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CC0 all the way. Something we've all\Nbeen learning - and it's a little
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.02,0:03:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complicated - is with humans and, like, a\Npicture of - let's say you had a picture
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.19,0:03:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a piece of art that might have a\Ncopyright embedded. So even if the image
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.23,0:03:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is CC0, something in it might be \Ncopywritten. And so we're
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.73,0:03:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on - what is an open\Nsource, GPL, CC0 model release?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.15,0:03:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does that look like? And that is a\Nvery open set of lawyers working on
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.28,0:03:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things. But once we have it, I think\Nthat's actually really exciting. Maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.14,0:03:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone could license their likeness as\Nwell to be in the Openverse. Maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.75,0:03:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we generate something with GPT-3\Nthat replaces faces and then that's the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.55,0:03:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing that's open. Or maybe someone even\Nsays, "Maybe while I'm alive, I don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.23,0:04:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my likeness used. But maybe on my death, I\Nbequeath my likeness to this open
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.52,0:04:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commons that belongs to humanity."\NThere's lots of different ways this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.70,0:04:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could work, kind of is fun to think\Nabout and imagine. But that's how that's
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.05,0:04:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working right now. We'll probably, you know,\Nwhat makes sense is something that maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.96,0:04:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows the EXIF data you upload before it\Ngoes into the thing, at least for a
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.68,0:04:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photo directory. So you're just aware of\Neverything that's being put in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.77,0:04:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Location is actually fantastic to have.\NLike if I have a picture of Stonehenge
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.78,0:04:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the location where I took that picture\Nis kind of awesome. But other metadata,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.83,0:04:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which could be contained in EXIF,\Nprobably people should just be aware of.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.61,0:04:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right? So we'll work on getting that\Nadded to the photo uploader. And by the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.50,0:04:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way, awesome question. Thank you.\N- Thank you very much for the answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.12,0:04:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Strong open.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.21,0:04:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No problem. Did we cover everything you think\Nis important there? Anything else?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.84,0:04:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, awesome. Bob, before you \Nask your question
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.78,0:04:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you share how you got here?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.13,0:05:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By train, from Seattle\N- From Seattle?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.82,0:05:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, Seattle.\N- That's on the other side of the country, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.18,0:05:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other side of the country, and\Nspending about six days on the train, two
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.55,0:05:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,days here. And yeah, it's been an\Nadventure. So I've come all this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.91,0:05:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give me some Woo for 2022.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.85,0:05:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Some moo?\NWoo.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.55,0:05:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to hear what WooCommerce is going \Nto do in 2022 in your eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.71,0:05:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure. So Woo, spelled W-O-O for those who don't\Nknow, is a plugin for WordPress, which
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.55,0:05:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates commerce functionality in\NWordPress. It's one of the 55,000
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.82,0:05:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plugins that exist. But it is a very\Npopular one, an important one,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.42,0:05:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially as we look at things like - you\Nsaw Shopify coming up on that usage
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.68,0:05:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,graph. WooCommerce is an open source\NShopify, and we hope that it can do to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.38,0:06:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democratizing commerce what WordPress\Nhas done to democratizing publishing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.54,0:06:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of what's coming for WooCommerce\Nin 2022, the thing I'm most excited
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.35,0:06:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that's most relevant for this\Naudience is, I would say, embracing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.03,0:06:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg and the block interfaces for\Neverything with Woo. So right now, Woo still
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.22,0:06:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has some ways of doing things which are\Nmore tied to the Classic Editor, or
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.62,0:06:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortcodes, or other ways of creating,\Nlike, check out blocks, products,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.88,0:06:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything like that. There are some\Nplugins and experiments around
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.98,0:06:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg and blocks. And I think that I\Nwould love if Woo was one of the best
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.26,0:06:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plugins in the world for embracing how\Nto use Gutenberg. And I think the team's
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.15,0:06:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been working really hard on that. It is\Nan amazing team. That both includes a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.43,0:06:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of community and a lot of the folks\Nsponsored by Automattic to work on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.88,0:06:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd say that's what 2022 - the thing\Nthat's most relevant for this audience
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.86,0:06:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm excited about is more Gutenberg in Woo.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.39,0:07:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we also have the CEO of WooCommerce\Nhere. Does that sound -
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.74,0:07:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Giving me a thumbs up? That sounds good? \NAll right. Sounds good.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.32,0:07:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So more Gutenberg? That's kind of \Nthe answer to everything is more
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.95,0:07:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg. It's like cowbell. You can\Nalways have more cowbell.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.33,0:07:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can always have more Gutenberg.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.84,0:07:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. Well, that was worth 6000\Nmiles.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.33,0:07:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cool. Alright, should we move to an online\Nquestion or - wait, we got one in
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.88,0:07:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person. And then next, let's do an\Nonline one, just to make sure we have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.03,0:07:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything from those folks.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.26,0:07:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sweet. So my question is about styles. I\Nthink, you know, the theme styles and - or
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.32,0:07:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,variants, I think they were called\Ninitially, is a very innovative idea that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.50,0:07:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lets people paint their sites. It's\Ngreat for developers, designers, and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.22,0:07:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyday users. So I understand that. I\Nthink, what could be interesting, and I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.84,0:08:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wonder if you've thought about this, is\Nperhaps there's a Style Directory like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.11,0:08:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have a Pattern Directory. Is that\Nsomething we're in the thought of?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.55,0:08:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that there's a couple other\Nconcerns, you know, we'd have to have a
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.85,0:08:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standardized way that themes are being\Nmade, which we're moving towards
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.88,0:08:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already. So I don't know, I think that's\Nan interesting way to empower people to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.87,0:08:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also give back to the Directory or into\NWordPress, just like patterns. Like if
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.25,0:08:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can save a pattern, can you save a style? \NAnd then anybody can save a style?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.45,0:08:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that something on the docket?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.82,0:08:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to fast-forward a little bit here\Ninto basically science fiction. But if
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.07,0:08:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could imagine us getting a really\Ngreat repository of truly CC0
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.17,0:08:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creative Commons, zero license stuff,\Naround images, fonts, etc. That opens up
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.98,0:08:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of possibilities for creating\Nessentially GPL compatible styles, like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.21,0:08:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you talked about. If you've ever watched\Nor helped a friend set up WordPress, or
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.19,0:08:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watched a user test or something, one of\Nthe most hard - most heartbreaking things
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.81,0:09:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is when someone chooses a theme based\Non the image in the demo. And I learned
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.32,0:09:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this myself. So in one of the previous\Nthemes, like Twenty Ten or Twenty Eleven
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.46,0:09:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there wasn't a lot of open source licensed\Nimagery in the world and so I just took
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.06,0:09:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all my photos and GPL-licensed them. So one\Nof these old themes - I think it's Twenty Ten
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.47,0:09:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a picture from Ireland of some\Nsheep on a road. And we would literally
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.83,0:09:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do user tests where people were like, "I like the\Nsheep, so I chose this theme." And it's
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.52,0:09:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, "Yes, I like the sheep too, but you can\Nput any image in the world there. It
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.53,0:09:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't just have to be a sheep theme."\NIt's really, it's a - yeah, you know what
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.38,0:09:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm talking about. Styles right now are\Ntied to themes and it's tied to theme.json
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.54,0:09:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think theme.json is - theme\Ndot J-S-O-N, which I call JSON. I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.80,0:09:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know how you pronounce it, but that's\Nhow I call it - it's the number one thing. If
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.13,0:10:00.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're a theme developer or interested in \Ndeveloping themes, look up that. Learn as much
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.51,0:10:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about theme.json as possible. So\Nright now, it's specific to the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.57,0:10:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theme. But over time, particularly for\Nthings like typography, which is a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.09,0:10:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passion of mine. Actually, my very first\Nopen source code I ever created,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.83,0:10:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was a contribution to b2, the\Npredecessor to WordPress, was texturize.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.81,0:10:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which was - I'd learned a ton about\Ntypography and I wanted all posts to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.78,0:10:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have proper typography. So instead of a\Nprime mark in between a word like
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.37,0:10:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's - between the that and the s - I\Nwanted to be a proper curly quote. And
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.08,0:10:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this first code I ever contributed to\Nopen source was texturized. I'm very
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.62,0:10:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passionate about this. I would love for\Npeople to be able to see the incredible
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.91,0:10:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transformations that can happen to a\Nsite through updating the typography
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.11,0:10:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and particularly pairings of type where\Nyou have might have like, a really
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.43,0:10:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,awesome serif paired with a really\Nawesome sans serif for the body text or
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.12,0:10:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like that. And I think how\Nthemes evolve a little bit - actually
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.40,0:11:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure entirely how themes evolve but -\Nto be honest - but it's pretty
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.15,0:11:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exciting that the theme can almost be a\Nlittle bit like - honestly it reminds me of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.19,0:11:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jazz. I grew up playing jazz. It's why\Nwe name every WordPress release after a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.07,0:11:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jazz musician. Jazz are often based on\Nsomething called standards. So like a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.53,0:11:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good chunk of all popular jazz songs are\Nbuilt on rhythm changes, which is a set of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.66,0:11:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chord changes, actually from I think, a\Nmusical song called "I Got Rhythm."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.25,0:11:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[sings] I got rhythm, I got music.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.73,0:11:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really cool chord changes there. \NReally awesome bridge.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.31,0:11:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people have written lots of other songs \Non top of that. What's cool
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.51,0:11:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the chord changes - I think I'm a\Nlittle outside of my realm of expertise
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.28,0:11:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here - but the chord changes themselves\Nare essentially open source, meaning
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.64,0:11:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone can use those chord changes. Now\Nthe melody right on top of it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.02,0:11:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be proprietary, might belong to a\Nspecific thing. But that kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.13,0:12:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underlying structure is open. And so I\Nthink themes become that kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.00,0:12:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underlying structure. And then what\Npeople take on top of it - it's the chord
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.36,0:12:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changes. And then what people create on\Ntop of it could be as varied and unique
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.32,0:12:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as all the things written, people have\Nwritten on top of the rhythm changes
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.73,0:12:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they're called in jazz
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.25,0:12:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is incredible. Thousands of songs,\Ncountless millions of, like, performances
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.93,0:12:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and solos. So that's my hope for what\Nhappens with themes. And hopefully, we
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.26,0:12:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can get more - like, we don't have a ton of\NCC0 licensed fonts yet. So hopefully,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.12,0:12:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can develop more and more of that\Ncontent in the Openverse/metaverse
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.68,0:12:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is available to all WordPress \Nusers. And the cool thing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.58,0:12:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Openverse, as well, is the API is\Ntotally open. So that's available to Drupal
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.75,0:12:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,users, Joomla users, everyone else -\NWix users, Squarespace users. Anyone
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.13,0:12:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who wants to access this content, it is\Nsomething the WordPress community is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.26,0:13:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating for benefit to the world. So if\Nyou contribute to that you're
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.72,0:13:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially contributing to humanity's\Nrepository of cool open stuff that's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.87,0:13:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available for anyone to use in any way. So\NI'm very excited about what the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.25,0:13:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,future of Openverse will be. We have\Nthe very first - we basically just got the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.72,0:13:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code ported over and the search engine\Nported over, and not even the audio yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.38,0:13:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's coming in January. And I cannot\Nbelieve more in the mission of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.08,0:13:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. \N- Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.03,0:13:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cool, and you can line up behind her \Nif you also have a question.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.40,0:13:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But come on in. What's your name,\Nby the way?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.56,0:13:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ali.\N- Hi Ali.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.07,0:13:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi Matt. So I create a lot of content\Naround WordPress for the people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.19,0:13:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking at WordPress in front of them\Nfor the first time looking to, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.36,0:13:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,build something with it having never\Nused it before. And I think a lot about
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.41,0:14:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the young people who are looking at\NWordPress as a path to something, as a
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.60,0:14:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,path to improving their life or\Nbrightening their future whatever that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.98,0:14:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be. And I know that we have in the\Nlive stream right now a lot of young
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.13,0:14:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people watching, listening, and being inspired\Nby this. What advice would you have to
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.12,0:14:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those young people who are looking to\Ninherit this world that we're leaving
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.02,0:14:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them? And what advice can you give\Nthem as far as using WordPress as a tool
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.01,0:14:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to improve what we're leaving them? \NNo pressure.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.39,0:14:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a cool one.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.66,0:14:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my life, one of the most influential \Nthings I ever realized
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.21,0:14:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that everything I was using, every \Npiece of technology, every piece
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.19,0:14:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of furniture, every chair, everything\Nwas created by someone who wasn't that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.80,0:15:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much different from me or people I\Nknew. And so there's crafts that can be
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.95,0:15:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developed when you focus on an area. And\Nin fact, with the internet, there's more
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.74,0:15:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more of this through YouTube,\NWikipedia, online blogs, etc. There's so
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.62,0:15:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much you can learn about pretty much any \Narea that you're passionate about. And I
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.05,0:15:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think, for me, and it might be Steve Jobs or \Nsomeone else who talks about this, but
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.01,0:15:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just this idea that the things that I use and \Nlove are created by people
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.78,0:15:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that much different from me was \Nreally powerful. And that's part of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.09,0:15:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what got me contributing to open source\Nin the beginning. When I was - again, I got
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.62,0:15:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started on the forums of b2. So b2 is\Nthe predecessor to WordPress. It had some
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.66,0:15:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forums, probably run by like phpBB or\Nsomething. And I just, at first, I was
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.46,0:15:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking questions and then, later, I saw\Nquestions I had already asked being
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.45,0:16:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asked by other people. And I started \Nanswering them. I didn't know anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.13,0:16:09.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't - I cannot overemphasize how\Nignorant I was, as a 17, 18, 19 year old
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.78,0:16:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kid in Houston, Texas, who had no formal\Ntraining, no university courses, etc. So
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.08,0:16:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what's exciting about the\Ndigital economy is that, in this
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.53,0:16:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Openverse that we're trying to create\Ntogether, it doesn't matter who you are,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.32,0:16:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're from, or anything like\Nthat. It matters what you contribute.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.26,0:16:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And learning to contribute has never been\Nmore accessible and more open source
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.59,0:16:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more open. The other advice I'd give is\Nthat, when you're younger, you have a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.36,0:16:54.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot more time than you realize. And to\Ntry to invest that time - if there's
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.09,0:17:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone young listening to this - in what\Nyour passion is, you know. If you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.60,0:17:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel drawn to a particular area - I was\Nactually shocked both in my own
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.91,0:17:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience, and in seeing many other\Nsuccessful folks since then, in how
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.72,0:17:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being a world expert in XYZ - whatever\NXYZ is - is maybe 100 hours of work in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.38,0:17:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some areas. Maybe 200 hours of work. But\Nwhen you're young, you have a lot more
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.72,0:17:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hours than folks who maybe are providing\Nfor the family or full-time jobs or
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.48,0:17:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other things. So really embrace that\Nopportunity of both school, education,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.08,0:17:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literature available to you, etc. to try to\Nconsume and absorb as much of it
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.58,0:17:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as possible. I feel so much - one of my only\Nregrets as a almost 38 year old is that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.96,0:18:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't pay as much attention when I\Nwas in school. And I went to all public
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.18,0:18:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,schools in Houston. But I had some\Namazing teachers, like the text I was
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.04,0:18:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given, the literature, etc. was free\Nor inexpensive, and was really
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.29,0:18:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passion from these teachers of some\Nof the best things that humanity has
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.81,0:18:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created so far. So check that out. And\Nthe code equivalent of that is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.74,0:18:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress in a lot of ways. Meaning\Nthat, again, you can think of the other
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.37,0:18:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,largest Internet services in the world - \NAmazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. You
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.35,0:18:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't go and look at how they work. You\Ncan't suggest a change to how the Google
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.88,0:18:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,homepage works or the Facebook\Nalgorithm or anything like that. Those
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.03,0:18:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are all proprietary. With things like\NWikipedia and WordPress, it's all open
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.42,0:18:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source. Which means that you could\Nsuggest a change of the WP admin
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.90,0:19:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,homepage, which hundreds of thousands\Nof millions of people see and impacts a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.63,0:19:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of folks. So open source for me was\Na huge enabler - again, not growing up in
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.09,0:19:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Bay area or the traditional, like,\NSeattle or other traditional
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.41,0:19:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,centers of technology. It was really\Nexciting for me. So I'll start with
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.78,0:19:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. Hopefully, I guess folks and maybe\Nyounger folks like something to start
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.89,0:19:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with. And I saw Josepha raise her hand, so\Nmaybe you have something to add there.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.80,0:19:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I do. I also have an additional thing.\NCan I introduce you really quick?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.19,0:19:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Of course. \NSo Josepha is the lead of WordPress.org. So she -
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.36,0:19:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is - all of the cool things we talked\Nabout around like the Directories, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.55,0:19:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Josepha is in charge of that. So she\Nreally leads the community development of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.33,0:19:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress.org. Everything around that. So\Nthank you, Josepha. And now -
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.55,0:19:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now this. So I think also one of the\Nmost important things - where am I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.44,0:20:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking? I'm going to look at you, Matt.\NAlso, one really important thing to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.87,0:20:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember for people who are getting\Nstarted with WordPress for the first
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.47,0:20:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time is that the open source nature of\Nit does mean that we also have really
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.16,0:20:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,active and passive ways to learn some of\Nthe most vital 21st century skills that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.89,0:20:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the workforce of the future will need.\NWe need it now. But not all of us
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.97,0:20:24.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually are any good at it in the world. \NWordPressers are generally really
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.51,0:20:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really good at it. And there's a\Nreason for it. It's because we do it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.100,0:20:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every day. And so like that, in the\Nimmediate - in my immediate advice that I
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.82,0:20:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can give to people, that is the number\None thing. Like, observe the way that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.45,0:20:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this works, because it's going to be\Nrelevant from here until they're done
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.01,0:20:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.59,0:20:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else in the audience? Because\Nwe have an unusual audience here.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.84,0:20:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we go. Do you mind introducing \Nyourself really quick?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.09,0:20:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Michelle Frechette and I'm with Stellar WP, \Nbut I also do a whole bunch
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.13,0:21:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of other stuff in the community, which\Nis fun. So my question is actually off of those
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.79,0:21:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two responses as well. We have a ton\Nof education out there, right? So
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.44,0:21:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's through Learn WordPress,\Nwhether it's people on YouTube, all these
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.03,0:21:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities to learn about it. What\Nare we doing to bring the next
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.96,0:21:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generation in to help continue to grow?\NI'm watching the age of people I see at
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.30,0:21:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress continue to grow, but not a\Nton of people coming in with us?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.95,0:21:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, I'm looking around. This is \Na very youthful group.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.73,0:21:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I'm one of the older here. I admit\Nthat. But what are we doing to bring -
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.72,0:21:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I tweeted last week. Olivia\NBisset - she's in middle school - had a
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.24,0:21:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackathon. I think I tagged you in my\Ntweet. And she herself, with her sister
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.89,0:21:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put on a huge hackathon of all middle\Nschoolers, but that's unusual. So what
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.51,0:21:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we doing to make sure that the next\Ngeneration of kids is going to want to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.92,0:21:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribute the way that the people in\Nthis room do?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.41,0:21:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You stole my answer because I was going\Nto talk about David and Olivia Bisset.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.22,0:22:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David Bisset, one of the most prolific\Ntweeters about WordPress, Hi, David.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.63,0:22:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will post a lot of gifs from this talk.\NOlivia is his daughter and already
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.65,0:22:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to be really active in the\NWordPress community. I would put that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.36,0:22:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to everyone in this room and\Neveryone listening here as well. You
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.64,0:22:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know the old adage, like you teach a\Nperson to fish or you teach a person -
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.26,0:22:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you give a person a fish, you feed him\Nfor a day. Teach a person to fish, you
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.56,0:22:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feed them for their lifetimes. I think\Nyou just give a person a blog or, even
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.89,0:22:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worse, a social media account, you feed\Nhim for a day. You teach them how to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.75,0:22:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create the web, which is, in many ways,\Nin my opinion, the most amazing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.87,0:23:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actualization of shared humanity and\Nknowledge. Like how do we create
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.23,0:23:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that lasts beyond our own\Nindividual lifetimes? It's the web. How
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.09,0:23:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do we create something that lasts beyond\Nus? A legacy, a true legacy? It's adding
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.41,0:23:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the information that's part of what\Nhopefully goes forward for future
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.22,0:23:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generations. And then becomes - allows us\Nto sort of fast - skip all the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.15,0:23:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mistakes, skip all the learnings to\Nwhat's latest. It's upgrading the clock
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.46,0:23:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speed and version of humanity. So for\Nanyone who's listening, mentoring and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.35,0:23:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guiding someone younger than yourself \Ninto participating in the WordPress
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.60,0:23:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community is - you get like. What is it?\NA mitzvah? You get like an extra
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.36,0:23:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,special bonus and, sort of like the\Nhistory of open source in the world, if
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.51,0:23:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you bring someone new into it. So I'd\Nhighly encourage you - and there's so
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.65,0:24:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many, if you look at some of the biggest\Ncontributors to WordPress over the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.62,0:24:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years, a Ryan Boren or a Nacin, etc. part\Nof their legacy, beyond just all the code
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.61,0:24:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wrote, is all the people they\Nbrought in. And the folks who felt like
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.05,0:24:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, they knew a lot but they\Nweren't able to contribute or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.93,0:24:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said, "No, you got it. You can\Nbe a Core committer. You can be someone
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.05,0:24:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who patches a Core bug. You can be\Nsomeone who translates WordPress
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.55,0:24:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into an entirely new language, or\Npreserves a language for posterity."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.30,0:24:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like there's so much you can do using\NWordPress as the launchpad for
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.63,0:24:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contributing something positive to\Nhumanity. And so that is, I think, a real
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.46,0:24:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,key. So I don't know what is perfect for\Nthe young people because I'm not one of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.03,0:24:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them anymore. I was when WordPress\Nstarted. But to the extent you have anyone
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.79,0:25:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your lives, both here in the audience\Nor broader to the folks watching this
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.06,0:25:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has that desire to have an impact,\Nteach them how to be involved with open
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.06,0:25:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source and whether that's WordPress or\Nsome other open source project, I think
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.51,0:25:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the best way to contribute to the\Nfuture of humanity. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.90,0:25:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that? \N- More KidsCamps?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.58,0:25:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More KidsCamps? Yeah, we do have some \NKidCamps. So very specifically
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.87,0:25:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have KidsCamps at places \Nlike WordCamp - was it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.18,0:25:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Orlando? Miami, Miami. Yeah. Which David\NBisset helped organize. Let's all be
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.49,0:25:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more like David. If you have kids, why\Naren't they contributing? I wouldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.09,0:25:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put that on anyone because kids do\Nthe opposite of what you ask them. So
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.88,0:25:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, tell them don't contribute to\NWordPress. And then maybe they will.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.10,0:25:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Take your kids to WordPress day.\NTake your kids to WordPress day actually is
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.40,0:26:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an awesome idea. \N- We'll talk later.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.46,0:26:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cool. Should we do one from online?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.19,0:26:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a question from - I lost the name.\NBut it was essentially - there were a couple
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.08,0:26:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of references to the metaverse in, I\Nthink, sort of a joking way, but
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.07,0:26:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one's on WordPress in virtual reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.03,0:26:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress in virtual reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.80,0:26:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's pass the mic really quick.\NDo you want to say something?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.94,0:26:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, no, we got one. We\Ngot one. Here you go. Again, the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.35,0:26:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intelligence in this audience is far\Ngreater than what I have so I want to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.71,0:26:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,push this back as much as possible. \N- I just wanted to say
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.60,0:26:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordCamp Boston did do that, if not\Nearlier this year - it was last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.98,0:26:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a virtual reality WordCamp \N- Oh, cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.32,0:26:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was last year. Thank you. Just yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.27,0:26:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a tricky one. I don't know how to\Nanswer that, to be totally honest.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.60,0:27:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because like, the internet is virtual\Nreality. It's just kind of text-based.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.94,0:27:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when you think of other ways of\Ninterfacing with virtual reality, like
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.25,0:27:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,VR headsets, or AR, etc. One good thing\NWordPress - WordPress is great at dealing
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.21,0:27:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with content. So don't build on top of\NWordPress if you're building like
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.00,0:27:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a messaging system or real time game or\Nsomething like that. But if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.29,0:27:29.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making something that essentially\Nis people inputting content and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.70,0:27:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outputting that to the world, you should\Nprobably be building it on WordPress.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.32,0:27:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's real estate, records, almost\Nanything. If it's content going in and out
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.02,0:27:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that should be on WordPress. When\Ncompanies - nameless - should talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.01,0:27:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this idea of a metaverse, they often\Ntalk about the interoperability. This
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.10,0:28:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea that contents or items that you\Ncreate in one metaverse is available in
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.01,0:28:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of them. If I imagine my most sci-fi\Nthoughts of the future - science fiction
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.71,0:28:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's hard for me to imagine that if humanity \Ninteracts more and more in a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.94,0:28:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,virtual space, that will be controlled\Nby one company. I really think it'll
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.53,0:28:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look more like the web. Like a place\Nwhere people can register domains. We
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.01,0:28:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually had a joke in here, I forgot to\Ntell. So you get it now. What if there
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.27,0:28:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were something like a DAO, a distributed\Nautonomous organization, that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.93,0:28:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manage a namespace, which you could pay\Nto own a part of, and in fact, there's
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.27,0:28:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no gas fees for owning part of it.\NThe fees are borne by the merchant.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.27,0:28:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would essentially be buying a\Ndomain with a credit card on any
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.66,0:29:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registrar. So we have things already\Nthat any person listening to this can
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.29,0:29:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have true ownership of, like a domain.\NThat's their, like, home on the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.77,0:29:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet is the best metaverse we've\Ncreated so far. And part of that's
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.98,0:29:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the interoperability, and the\Nopen standards that these things are
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.85,0:29:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,built on. Patent-free standards as well,\Nwhich I'll emphasize. So to the extent
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.11,0:29:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that things will be - I don't know exactly\Nwhat it'll look like. Nothing I've seen
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.37,0:29:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so far is that compelling. But to the extent\Nthat there are fun, content-driven things
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.54,0:29:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are going to be part of the next\Ngenerations of the web? Web3, Web4
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.14,0:29:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Web5, Web10 - I expect WordPress\Nwill be at the center of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.67,0:29:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got an in-person question. Okay.\NPlease introduce yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.88,0:29:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, my name is Bud Kraus. We've never had the\Npleasure to meet but I've heard you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.66,0:29:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speak at several of these. \N- Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.81,0:30:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And welcome to New York. So all \NI want to know
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.00,0:30:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this is a brand new space. Sorry\Nfor the people who aren't here, but
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.53,0:30:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a brand new space. What are you\Ngoing to be doing here? And can we use
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.01,0:30:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it too, the people who live in this area?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.48,0:30:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. So for those who are watching\Nonline, we're in this cool space in the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.55,0:30:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Noho - which means north of Houston,\Nwhich is a New York incorrect way to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.95,0:30:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pronounce Houston, which is the city\Nwhere I'm from - neighborhood. And it's
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.84,0:30:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a cool neighborhood, it's near a lot of\Npublic transit. And it's a cool space. A
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.63,0:30:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company I'm involved in, CEO of\NAutomattic, when we purchased the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.37,0:30:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company called Tumblr, got this space.\NAnd so we have this until 2025. Not
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.89,0:30:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coincidentally, a lot more of the people\Nworking on Tumblr and everything we do
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.03,0:31:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have gone more distributed. So there's\Nnot as many people in this particular
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.18,0:31:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space as there used to be. But we tried to\Ncreate this in a way that, much like
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.86,0:31:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tonight, could be a place that people use\Nfor events and other community things.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.08,0:31:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you're interested in doing that,\Nfor something particularly open source
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.58,0:31:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,driven within the community, we're happy\Nto open up this space for anything in
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.93,0:31:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future. And a cool kind of aside is\Nall the art in the space, including
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.27,0:31:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's behind me, is from people on\NTumblr. And so these are all publishers
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.11,0:31:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Tumblr. So all the art that will be\Nin the space and eventually - right now
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.74,0:31:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have this wall covered. We're going\Nto cover every single wall here. So we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.03,0:31:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have many thousands of square feet to cover\Nstill. It's all going to be people who
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.59,0:31:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publish on WordPress and Tumblr. And in\Nthe future, Tumblr will be powered by
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.46,0:31:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress, so that'll happen. So it'll\Nall be the same thing. So it's kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.54,0:31:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cool that it'll all be artists that use\Nopen source publishing to put their
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.43,0:32:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content into the Openverse. Alright.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.69,0:32:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, Matt. My name is Anil, and I have a\Ncuriosity question. You mentioned about
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.39,0:32:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg Phase Three, which will be\Ncollaboration. So I'm curious, what can
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.48,0:32:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we expect at that phase of \NGutenberg and collaboration?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.49,0:32:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good question. Because I talked\Ntwice as long as last year, but maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.14,0:32:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missed that particular point. So that\NCollaboration Phase - collaboration?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.80,0:32:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry. Phase Three of Gutenberg is -\Nimagine Google Docs. It's probably the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.02,0:32:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best analogy. You know how when you're\Nin a Google Doc, when someone
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.14,0:32:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else is editing at the same time, you\Nsee exactly what they're doing, what
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.87,0:32:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're changing. So imagine every single\Nthing on WordPress updating in real
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.31,0:32:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, as other people edit it. So\Nthere's no more version conflicts or
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.77,0:33:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything like that. Literally, WordPress\Nrepresents the kind of real-time source
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.81,0:33:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of truth for whatever the content -\Nwhether it's, again, posts, pages, or
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.54,0:33:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other in real-time. And then there's\Nboth a real-time awareness and workflows
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.69,0:33:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around editing that. And so the real-time \Nawareness is kind of the easy part
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.91,0:33:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually. It's that part where when\Nsomeone else is editing at the same
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.91,0:33:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, and you're editing it, you see\Nwhat's happening. So there's no
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.38,0:33:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conflicts. The workflow is a little\Ntrickier and that's what I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.31,0:33:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually more excited about working on.\NWhere workflow is a word we use for
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.67,0:33:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone edits it, someone approves it,\Nsomeone like - there's different stages of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.05,0:33:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different forms of content. Which is\Nalso very relevant for translation.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.26,0:33:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone writes the content, let's say\Nin English, and then maybe it gets
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.10,0:33:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translated into another language. I\Nrealized this personally, to share
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.08,0:34:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another weird story like the economics\Nthing. On WordPress.com, we use
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.21,0:34:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GlotPress and allowed anyone to\Ntranslate any string on WordPress.com.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.71,0:34:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for a while, on every - I forget which\Nlanguage it was, but let's just call it
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.23,0:34:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italian. Instead of saying "Leave a\NComment" on every Italian blog hosted on
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.24,0:34:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress.com, it said "Happy Birthday." So\Nsomeone obviously was like trolling us
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.44,0:34:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, like, instead of "Leave a\NComment," it'll say "Happy Birthday."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.32,0:34:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was actually pretty funny. Whoever\Ndid that, I'll buy you a beer. But
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.28,0:34:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideally, there would have been a\Nworkflow or someone else who speaks
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.64,0:34:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Italian would have said, "This says 'Happy\NBirthday.'" How do you even say that
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.55,0:34:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Italian? Does anyone know? I know you say\N"Feliz navidad." How do you say like
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.52,0:34:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy birthday and merry Christmas. What\Nis happy birthday?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.41,0:34:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Buon natale? I'm guessing
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.42,0:34:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Buon natale? Okay, okay. We'll go there.\NSomeone would have seen that and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.85,0:35:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"That doesn't mean 'Leave a Comment.'\NAnd we shouldn't put this on the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.84,0:35:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,homepage of every single Italian\NWordPress in the world." So that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.72,0:35:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workflow, I think, is key to Phase Four\Nof Gutenberg, which is why it's part of
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.36,0:35:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phase Three. So collaboration is the fun\Npart, which will be easy and hard to do
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.66,0:35:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time, which is that kind of\Nreal time co-editing. And there's some
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.41,0:35:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cool new standards in browsers that\Nallow us to do this in a decentralized
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.89,0:35:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way, which I'm really excited about,\Nusing essentially features built into
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.94,0:35:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chrome and others that allow us to, like\Nconnect multiple people editing a
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.08,0:35:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,page or post at the same time, using\Njust a browser and open source
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.86,0:35:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology. But the more like, approval,\Netc, is a little bit more of the later
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.16,0:35:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phase Three. So 2023, we'll work on\Nthat. For now, contribute to Openverse,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.16,0:35:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,block patterns, blocks, and block themes.\NThat is the key for 2022. Again, if I
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.79,0:36:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get on stage next year, and say there's\N30 - we've gone to 40 block themes?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.10,0:36:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Utter failure. Please throw fruit at me\Nor something else. I hope that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.12,0:36:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,300, or ideally 3000, of these block-\Nenabled themes and that's - both that's
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.24,0:36:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updating existing themes and creating\Nnew ones to allow people to express their
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.99,0:36:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creativity online through the Gutenberg\Neditor. Again, right now, if you look at
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.06,0:36:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what social networks do, they try to\Nreally narrow you into a very limited
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.82,0:36:39.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expression of creativity. Why? Because\Nthey want to serve ads against your
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.69,0:36:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,profile and what you're creating. They\Nwant to target you. That's not what
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.65,0:36:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're trying to do with WordPress. So we\Nwant you to create the most unique, cool
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.00,0:36:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff online as possible. And blocks\Nenable people to do that. And I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.70,0:36:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking forward to more and more of it.\NDoes that answer the question?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.12,0:36:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes, thank you.\NCool, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.82,0:37:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw someone stand up over here. Was that? Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.49,0:37:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have preempted so many of the\Nquestions that were submitted.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.82,0:37:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh! \N- We're getting you one, though.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.50,0:37:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somewhat related to what you were just \Nspeaking to, the question is:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.33,0:37:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soon we'll have blocks that allow you to\Ndrag everything everywhere. We'll soon
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.84,0:37:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a ton of free images, patterns,\Netc. How are we going to make all that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.22,0:37:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easy to understand and use for users?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.15,0:37:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that's our problem. So this is\Nwhat is going to be, I think, the focus
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.98,0:37:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Core WordPress iterations over\N5.9, 6.0, 6.1, and beyond. I'll say it in
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.51,0:37:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an abstract sense, which is things like\Nuser tests. And we do run these and we
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.80,0:38:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publish them on our Make WordPress blogs,\Nwhich is where we'll ask someone
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.66,0:38:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has never used WordPress before,\N"Please try it out." And this is something
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.40,0:38:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proprietary software companies do all\Nthe time. But in WordPress, we actually
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.58,0:38:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publish these. And so you can see them\Nand you can learn from them. And you can
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.45,0:38:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see what someone who's never used\NWordPress before has trouble with using
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.38,0:38:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not using. Things that might be very,\Nvery intuitive to people in this room
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.19,0:38:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we've been using WordPress for\Nfive or 10 years, might be very
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.89,0:38:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,challenging to someone entirely new to the\Nconcepts or the abstractions that we
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.55,0:38:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use. The other example, which I hope\Neveryone listening to this does - because
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.86,0:38:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're listening to this, you're like\Na WordPress OG - is helping a friend use
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.11,0:38:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress. Right? I hear a laugh in the\Nfront row. It's like that whole thing
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.23,0:38:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, "Friends don't let friends publish on\NWix." Take someone who's
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.84,0:38:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,building a website, you say, "All right,\NI'm going to help you set this up." And
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.91,0:38:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while you're doing that, you're probably\Ngoing to learn a lot of things that are
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.85,0:39:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tough in WordPress. And hopefully, that\Nhelps you then contribute a bug or an
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.85,0:39:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improvement or something into the Core\Nsoftware that makes it easier for
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.67,0:39:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone else to use. By the way, to the extent\NWordPress - again, that's what's amazing
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.68,0:39:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it to me. When you look at that\N10 times larger than the second in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.53,0:39:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marketplace - by the way, Shopify is a\Ncompany valued at like $140 billion. How
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.34,0:39:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did we do that? How do we be 10 times\Nlarger than that? It's just people
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.56,0:39:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping other people. I can't put it \Nmore simply than that. It's how
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.35,0:39:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress has had basically no marketing\Ndollars through its whole history. Its
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.37,0:39:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,friends telling friends, like, "Hey, you\Nwant a website? Let me help you set it
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.29,0:39:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up." And then when they have trouble,\Ncoming back to a cool WordPress Make
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.29,0:39:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,site or something else and saying, "Hey,\Nmy friend had trouble with XYZ. Can - I
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.63,0:40:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think if we move this around or change\Nthis widget or make this button more prominent
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.80,0:40:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something like that - that would be\Nmore intuitive for folks." And the beauty
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.06,0:40:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a project like WordPress, and there's\Na few other open source projects which
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.48,0:40:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are similar, is we can simultaneously\Nbecome more intuitive for new users at
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.76,0:40:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same time that we become more\Npowerful for power users. That's not
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.79,0:40:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easy. I think it can only happen in the\Ndigital realm. Like an SLR camera with
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.43,0:40:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like 80 buttons can't also become\Nsimultaneously easier for people
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.32,0:40:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just taking their first photo. But in the\Ndigital world, we can do that. And
Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.01,0:40:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's actually really, really exciting.\NSo that's part of what excites me about
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.21,0:40:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress, and I hope is a part of what\Npeople contribute in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.55,0:40:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another from the off site questions?\NLet's see. This is from Sarah Gooding.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.89,0:41:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can WordPress do to protect small\Npublishers from the threat of big tech
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.40,0:41:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies' greed and hostility to the\Nopen web?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.39,0:41:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my goodness.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.14,0:41:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Big tech companies - was it \Nhostility to the open web?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.58,0:41:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Greed and hostility to the open web.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.01,0:41:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Greed and hostility. Oh, my goodness, \Nwe're dealing with one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.21,0:41:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seven deadly sins. First, I'll say that\Nthere's some giant tech companies whose
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.53,0:41:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,greed and hostility is somewhat aligned\Nwith the open web. Meaning that a Google
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.19,0:41:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is indexing the web, is probably more\Naligned with the mission of WordPress
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.79,0:41:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than a Facebook, which is trying to\Ncreate an alternative to the open web or
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.16,0:41:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other companies. Fill in the blank there.\NSo that's something to keep in mind. The
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.34,0:42:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number one thing I think we can do is\Ncreate an alternative. So it's easy to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.19,0:42:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forget that someone starting a WordPress\Nmight not want - the thing they
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.17,0:42:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wake up in the morning and think about is\Nnot like, "I want to make more open source
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.01,0:42:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software in the world." They might be\Nthinking, "Hey, I want more customers in
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.99,0:42:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my restaurant" or "I want more visitors,\Nto my salon" or "I want more readers of
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.67,0:42:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my novel I'm working on." Like, whatever\Nit might be. And the beauty of WordPress
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.80,0:42:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there's so many things you can do on\Ntop of it. It's that WordPress is a means
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.67,0:42:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an end. And this is our strength and\Nour weakness. On third-party measuring
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.67,0:42:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services, like a Quantcast or a Nielsen\Nor something like that, like
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.88,0:42:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a facebook.com or a google.com shows up as\None domain. And WordPress is, in many
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.98,0:42:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ways, like the dark matter of the web\Nin that it's the thing that comprises
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.21,0:43:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the majority of the universe, but\Ndoesn't show up on one domain by
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.81,0:43:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definition. It's across millions, tens -\Nhundreds of millions of different
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.31,0:43:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,domains and represents each person on\Nthe domain owning a piece of the web.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.17,0:43:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It belongs to them. Literally domains,\NI'm not - I'm going to pitch domains
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.81,0:43:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. Domains are like the most Web3\Nthing you could create. It really
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.70,0:43:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,belongs to you far more than almost\Nanything else. So I think what we can do
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.79,0:43:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is - well, I'll tell you the biggest\Nthing I've learned, which goes a little
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.17,0:43:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to your question on what is a\Nthing to talk about to the youth or
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.97,0:43:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that create things. Early on, I\Nwas like a Slashdot reading zealot.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.35,0:43:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meaning like, I was like, "Ah, Microsoft\Nand Bill Gates are evil." I had a very
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.16,0:43:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, black and white view of the world\Nwhere I saw open source as good and
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.93,0:44:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything proprietary as bad. And it was\Nbinary. As you mature, you learn that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.88,0:44:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things are not binary. It's grayscale.\NIt's duotone. And there's things that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.79,0:44:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are both simultaneously good and bad,\Nand things that exist on the
Dialogue: 0,0:44:14.73,0:44:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spectrum. And over time, I've chosen to\Ndevote more of my life to things that I
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.53,0:44:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel like are on the side of the\Nspectrum that I want future generations -
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.21,0:44:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I ever have children or grandchildren -\Nthem to experience of the web. But that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.99,0:44:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the - everything exists on the spectrum. I\Nwould say that for - pure philosophy does
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.30,0:44:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not win. Meaning that for folks, maybe\Nlike here in the room, or some of the
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.88,0:44:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,folks watching the livestream, the idea of\Nowning your content, owning the software
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.49,0:44:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that powers it and everything like that,\Nis very compelling. That's probably
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.33,0:45:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compelling for like 1 or 2% of humanity.\NWe're at the very end of the bell curve
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.53,0:45:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of folks who care about those\Nthings. For the rest, if we want a
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.20,0:45:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,majority of the web - hopefully, I hope a\Nmajority, or even like 85 or 90% of the
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.06,0:45:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,web to be powered by open source. For them,\Nwe need to create the best user experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.53,0:45:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meaning it needs to be the easiest. It needs \Nto be the most intuitive. And it needs to be
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.60,0:45:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thing that gets them towards\Ntheir goals the fastest. For many
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.44,0:45:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, that means WordPress will be\Ninvisible. And that's okay. We don't
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.24,0:45:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need people to even know what WordPress\Nis. If they're using WordPress, open
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.26,0:45:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source, open API, open data, everything\Nto get to where they're going, that is
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.21,0:45:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infinitely better than using proprietary\Nsoftware to get from A to B. So we need
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.98,0:45:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create as many use cases, as many -
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.12,0:45:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work on usability as much as possible to\Ncreate that. So that is my learning. And
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.30,0:46:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I hope we can all work together \Ngreat, because even if someone
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.47,0:46:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't realize that using open source\Nand making the web more open. If by
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.86,0:46:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating their website, creating their\Nrestaurant, creating their online service
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.52,0:46:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,selling something online, they are doing\Nso in a way that makes the web even just
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.51,0:46:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a smidgen more open. That's cool. That's\Ngood for humanity. That's the part I
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.16,0:46:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want future generations to grow up in. \NThank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.60,0:46:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, we got two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.35,0:46:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, no. Two questions.\NTwo questions! Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.29,0:46:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, how I talk, that could take 20\Nminutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.32,0:46:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, we're down to 20 minutes, so I'm \Ngiving you five for each.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.64,0:46:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, five minutes per for each question, \Napparently. So.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.63,0:46:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi Matt, my name is Aaron Jorbin. I\Nprobably came the shortest distance
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.31,0:46:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I live, like, three blocks away.\NA couple of times, tonight, you've
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.22,0:47:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about the GPL, the importance of\Nthe GPL, the importance of the Four
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.96,0:47:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freedoms of the GPL. Over the last year,\Nthere's been an effort to dual license
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.91,0:47:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Gutenberg repository, and thus allow\Npeople to use the WordPress code in ways
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.11,0:47:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would not confer those four\Nfreedoms on to future users of
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.10,0:47:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress. I'm wondering how that lines up\Nwith your ideas of the four freedoms and
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.49,0:47:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why I, as a contributor to WordPress,\Nshould support my code being re-licensed
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.70,0:47:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to remove the four freedoms from future\Nusers?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.20,0:47:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's such a good question. So thank\Nyou, Aaron, for asking that. And also,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:41.10,0:47:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you for being someone else who\Nmakes me not the only person in the room
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.04,0:47:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a suit. And Aaron looks great. So\Nthank you very much for that. Hopefully,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.69,0:47:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we get that on camera. So this is\Ninteresting. So the GPL was created in
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.94,0:48:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 80s and 90s, and had no concept of,\Nessentially, delivery over the web. So
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.57,0:48:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the GPL says that if you share something,\Ndistribute it, which was - historically
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.47,0:48:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means, distributed the source code over\Nlike floppy disk, or CDs, or things like
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.88,0:48:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, you must confer the same freedoms.\NBut it didn't count if you were just
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.58,0:48:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running your website, which is good and\Nbad. It's good in that, like, your
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.28,0:48:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,password file on your WordPress site is\Nnot GPL. Right? You don't need to share
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.67,0:48:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to the world. There are licenses\Nlike the Affero GPL and others that say
Dialogue: 0,0:48:39.99,0:48:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you need to share everything, but it\Nalso creates a loophole. So technically,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.16,0:48:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like WordPress.com doesn't need to share\Nany of its code back to the world. It
Dialogue: 0,0:48:48.51,0:48:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does. Those folks work really hard on\Nputting improvements back into
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.17,0:48:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WordPress, but they're not required to because\Ndelivery and distribution through SaaS
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.88,0:49:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services does not confer the distribution \Nin which the GPL was intended.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.05,0:49:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In practice, we do it but in letter of \Nlaw, it's not required. Mobile apps
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.79,0:49:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are whole new worlds. And again, there\Nis the ideal thing and there's the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.78,0:49:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pragmatic thing. Practical - ideally, I\Nwould love to use a mobile device which
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.36,0:49:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had firmer hardware, and everything\Ninvolved with it was fully open source.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.62,0:49:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pragmatically, I need to use an Android\Nor iOS device, probably from Apple or
Dialogue: 0,0:49:44.25,0:49:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Samsung, that works. That has good\Nbattery life and everything like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.45,0:49:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I've always thought of myself as a\Npragmatic, open source evangelist.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.45,0:50:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg. Now how do we bring this to\NGutenberg? So, Gutenberg is trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.64,0:50:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create a pan-CMS or pan-creation\Nstandard for things like blocks. We
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.86,0:50:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think, or I think, that in Gutenberg,\Nif we can create a standard interface for
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.93,0:50:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like adding an image or the\Nbasic things that you do within a block
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.03,0:50:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interface, that is good for the web and\Nhumanity. So part of that is that I
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.60,0:50:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would really like to see even\Nproprietary systems adopt Gutenberg
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.68,0:50:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocks. I think that would be a win. You\Nknow, I've made fun of some systems like
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.65,0:50:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wix and Squarespace or Mailchimp or\Nothers. I think they - I would love
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.75,0:50:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would be thrilled if they all used\NGutenberg. And Gutenberg is licensed
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.67,0:50:57.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under a way that, if you use it, you\Ndon't have to make the rest of your
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.75,0:51:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software also open source. So the way\Nthe GPL is, is it's what's called a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.14,0:51:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"viral license." So if you use part of it,\Neverything else that links it also has
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.02,0:51:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be open source. Which I like for\NWordPress. I like for everything I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:15.48,0:51:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I also recognize that maybe, in\Nlet's say, a mobile app, I might want to
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.75,0:51:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have an open source-based editor that\Nuses the standards and code of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.59,0:51:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gutenberg, but the rest of the app might\Nnot be open source. Maybe it's the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:31.74,0:51:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mailchimp app. Let's use Mailchimp as an\Nexample. I don't have any relation to
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.39,0:51:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mailchimp. So I can talk about that.\NMailchimp's awesome, very successful, just
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.12,0:51:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sold to Intuit for like $10 billion or\Nwhatever. If you look at what they're
Dialogue: 0,0:51:46.23,0:51:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing with their newsletter creator,\Nit's blocks. If you look at what they're
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.80,0:51:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing and like - and they don't actually\Nhave a great mobile app yet, so it'd be
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.82,0:51:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cool. So when we took our mobile apps -\Nwhich means developing Gutenberg three
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.72,0:52:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times. We have to develop for the web,\NiOS, and Android, which is a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.21,0:52:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work. We are re-licensing the mobile\Nversions of Gutenberg as MIT, which
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.31,0:52:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means that they can be embedded in\Nmobile apps, which are not also open
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.42,0:52:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source. This gets into another weird\Nthing, which is all mobile apps are
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.17,0:52:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mediated by app stores. I don't love\Nthat, for the record. But it's the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.74,0:52:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reality. You're either going through\NGoogle or Apple to distribute on an app
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.46,0:52:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,store to the majority of humans in the\Nworld.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.27,0:52:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you have to - when you distribute your\Napp, you kind of have to - you don't kind of,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.29,0:52:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to agree to their terms of\Nservices and licenses, which are sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.38,0:52:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compatible with open source. Actually,\NWordPress has been a pioneer there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.42,0:52:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apple originally did not allow GPL\Napplications to be distributed on the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.59,0:53:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apple Store. And WordPress fought for\Nthat. And we won it, essentially. And, in
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.85,0:53:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact, Apple has used WordPress code in\Ndemos. So we kind of got the unofficial
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.70,0:53:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blessing that like, our GPL app was okay\Nto be on the Apple store. But like,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.38,0:53:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's still a process, which we fight\Nand we go for. Most famously - was it
Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.72,0:53:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last year that it happened?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.42,0:53:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either last year or earlier this year, \Nit all blends together.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:24.28,0:53:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It all blends together. I don't know. \NPost-COVID, everything's a real mix.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.54,0:53:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that Apple issued an incredibly rare apology,\Nwhich Apple never does, where they had
Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.31,0:53:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of told the WordPress open source\Napp they needed to do something that
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.98,0:53:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seemed a little outside of the\Nrequirements and the license. And they -
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.80,0:53:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone higher up realized that and\Nwalked it back. So not often that
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.59,0:53:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens with a $2 trillion company. But\Nit happened with WordPress and Apple.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:00.48,0:54:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was exciting. So we will\Ncontinue fighting wherever we can for
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.98,0:54:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting these app stores to open up a\Nlittle bit. We will also be pragmatic in
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.27,0:54:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in reality, everyone who has an\NApple or iOS device means you go to the
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.46,0:54:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,app stores to reach them. And I think\Nit's actually a flaw of - if we think of why
Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.22,0:54:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Drupal or Joomla hasn't done as well, I\Nthink they need apps. And I've
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.97,0:54:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encouraged those communities to create \Ngreat apps because they need them.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:28.19,0:54:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why we're expanding the license of Gutenberg,\Nin particular, to be both GPL and MIT
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.15,0:54:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I would like WordPress blocks - or\NGutenberg blocks to become standards
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.40,0:54:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are larger than just WordPress. And\Nthere is a Drupal version of Gutenberg
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.10,0:54:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,etc. But I think part of that is that if\Nblocks can become standards across every
Dialogue: 0,0:54:51.96,0:54:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proprietary system. I make fun of Wix - I\Nthink it's fair, they've earned it. But
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.22,0:55:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they adopted Gutenberg, I would toast \Nthem and take them out to beers.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.81,0:55:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that'd be awesome. Gutenberg is\Nsomething even bigger than WordPress,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.33,0:55:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is basically saying how do we edit\Nand create the web? And can we get as
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.62,0:55:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many people - both proprietary and open\Nsource - collaborating on that as possible?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.60,0:55:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that is the bet we've made. Maybe it's\Ncorrect, maybe it's incorrect. I hope
Dialogue: 0,0:55:26.37,0:55:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you, as a contributor, still are\Nexcited about being part of Gutenberg,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.69,0:55:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it's Gutenberg and MIT,\Nwhich are both open source licenses. But
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.43,0:55:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MIT, of course, allows proprietary\Nlicensing. I understand that. The
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.22,0:55:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,majority of open source software in the\Nworld is, well, I think majority is GPL.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.17,0:55:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a big chunk that's non-GPL.\NI think, what we're doing - folks in this
Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.98,0:55:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room, you and I - are creating more that\Nopen source stuff. And if proprietary people
Dialogue: 0,0:55:57.21,0:56:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use it along the way to creating more open\Nsource, I think that's great and okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:01.26,0:56:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.\N- And thank you for wearing a suit.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.69,0:56:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you for coming tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:10.44,0:56:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone asked me earlier why I wear a\Nsuit. And it's actually - one of my
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.84,0:56:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,favorite folks is Frank Sinatra. And he\Ntalked about - someone asked why they
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.17,0:56:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wore a tux every night to perform. And\Nhe said to the other band members, he
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.15,0:56:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said, "Well, if we were performing for\Nthe king or queen, what would we wear?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:32.52,0:56:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd dress up. We'd wear a tux to perform\Nfor them." And he said, "Well, every
Dialogue: 0,0:56:37.29,0:56:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,single night that this band performs,\Nthere might be someone in the audience
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.24,0:56:45.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who saved up two months to be there, or\Na waitress or someone like that, who
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.93,0:56:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really worked to be there. And so, guess\Nwhat? We're gonna dress up for them and
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.16,0:56:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perform for them like they are the King or\NQueen of England." Royalty. Every person
Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.56,0:56:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the audience is royalty. So that's\Nwhy I wear a suit every year. If you're
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.38,0:57:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wondering. This is like the only suit I wear\Nduring the year, but I wear it because I
Dialogue: 0,0:57:05.01,0:57:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider every member of the WordPress\Ncommunity to be royalty. And I dress up for
Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.66,0:57:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,y'all. So thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.34,0:57:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, this is the last question. \NI'm so excited.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.64,0:57:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bring us home.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.58,0:57:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's a short question. Hopefully\Nit wasn't already asked.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:23.16,0:57:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you introduce yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.22,0:57:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, I'm Rachel Winchester. Most people\Nknow me as Win. I'm here for representing
Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.55,0:57:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DigitalCube. And I'm just curious if\Nthe topic of internet art has made it on
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.58,0:57:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your radar. And if it's something of\Ninterest to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:38.73,0:57:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell me more about internet art. \NHow do you define it?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.98,0:57:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, internet art is browser art or web-based\Nart. But it's art that uses the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.41,0:57:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a medium. So it works with WordPress,\Nbecause WordPress is that paintbrush.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:52.02,0:57:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.13,0:57:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will also call out that you have an amazing \NIssey Miyake purse, who's one of my
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.27,0:58:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,favorite designers of all time. Thank\Nyou for bringing that to the microphone
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.78,0:58:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well. What do you think about the\NOpenverse and internet art? Like this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:58:11.31,0:58:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people could maybe even contribute\Ninternet art to the Openverse?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.34,0:58:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I love the idea of making publicly accessible\Nimages more accessible.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.35,0:58:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love that idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:21.93,0:58:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That this is - it's an interesting\Ntension, right? Because artists create
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.24,0:58:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things, and they want to earn a living\Nfrom the things they create. And people
Dialogue: 0,0:58:37.23,0:58:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create things and want to contribute it\Nto the commons of humanity. That becomes
Dialogue: 0,0:58:41.70,0:58:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of what we remix, part of what we\Nbuild on, part of the foundation of what
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.60,0:58:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates the next generations, next\Nversions of what happens. And in
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.31,0:58:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyright law, which I would say is\Npopularly epitomized - since in United
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.14,0:58:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,States copyright law, you have an\Nability to do that. You know, rest in
Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.79,0:59:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,peace for Joe Ablow. Like, would talk\Nabout his 3% rule where he would take an
Dialogue: 0,0:59:04.98,0:59:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,existing thing, modify 3%, and create\Nsomething new. Incredible, right? One of
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.45,0:59:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the great artists of our generations, in\Nso many ways, that affected popular
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.77,0:59:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,culture, that affected art, that affected so\Nmany things through that taking something
Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.92,0:59:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exists and modifying it. So I don't \Nknow. I think that's the epitome
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.72,0:59:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of open source. I would say that\NWordPress' limitation is, before, that
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.63,0:59:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was basically all in the code and\Nlanguage realm. It was all about the
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.31,0:59:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plugins, the themes - a little bit of\Ndesign, and the translations that were
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.88,0:59:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open source. If you had to define what's\Nnext for us, it's expanding through the
Dialogue: 0,0:59:47.25,0:59:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Openverse, through things that are\Nmore content-driven: images, video,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:51.96,0:59:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audio, art. I'm a photographer. My\Nusername is Photomatt. So I consider
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.40,1:00:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photographs to be art and I hope to put\Nmore and more of the art I create and
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.39,1:00:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hopefully others into that commons, so\Nthat is the basis for what generations
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.04,1:00:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create in the future. So, thank you so\Nmuch. I appreciate the question.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.34,1:00:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with that, I think we might be -\NI mean, Josepha's coming up.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:25.59,1:00:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got two notes for everyone, \Nbecause I would, naturally.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:28.41,1:00:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number one, there were a lot of questions
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.17,1:00:34.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were asked beforehand and \Nalso in the livestream chat that we
Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.23,1:00:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not get to. But just like last year,\Nwe will have a blog post up where we can
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.10,1:00:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get those answered for you all. Don't\Nworry. And my final, final thing, let's
Dialogue: 0,1:00:43.44,1:00:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a round of applause for the folks\Nwho put this event together and for our
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.04,1:00:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,excellent slide makers.