1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,910 I'm moving around, so I'm masking. I am our mobile microphone, but we have a 2 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:09,360 standard microphone also. We have people all over the place in the world 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,950 at home and we also have a resident question asker right here. 4 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:16,641 So he's going to represent the online questions right? 5 00:00:16,641 --> 00:00:17,970 - Yes, correct. Also, so you all know 6 00:00:17,970 --> 00:00:22,290 I do not know what any of the questions are in advance. I will be 7 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:24,930 hearing them all for the first time, which also means I might not know the 8 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:28,650 answer or I might pass it to someone in the audience, or sometimes I 9 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:31,040 just don't know. So that's what happens with these. 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,407 That's my job. The passing. 11 00:00:33,407 --> 00:00:37,260 All right, so we can kind of start wherever you want. We can start 12 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:41,970 with in-person. We can start with some pre-submitted. We can start with some 13 00:00:41,970 --> 00:00:43,680 currently submitted. We have an in-person - 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,540 Looks like we have a hand right here. You mind coming over to the 15 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:52,290 microphone? Just so folks on the livestream can hear. And if you have also a 16 00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:56,850 question, feel free to go up and line up. We're going to prioritize, of course, 17 00:00:56,850 --> 00:01:02,520 those of you who came on a train for two and a half days to be here and then I 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,180 think Paul will be reading some of the ones that are coming in via the social 19 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:11,190 channels. YouTube, Twitter, etc. So we'll have a mix of both. 20 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:13,370 Then we'll have food and drinks. 21 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:17,730 Thanks so much for the presentation. Very exciting stuff. Looking forward to 22 00:01:17,730 --> 00:01:23,220 the future. My question is about Openverse. And I wonder if you could speak a 23 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:28,440 little bit about the safety measures that have been thought about or will 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,820 need to be thought about in terms of the content that is uploaded there? Will 25 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:38,280 EXIF data be removed from photos that are uploaded? That's my question. 26 00:01:38,819 --> 00:01:44,369 That's a great question, actually. So first, I do not know if we've thought of 27 00:01:44,369 --> 00:01:48,989 EXIF before. So you actually just raised something really great that we should 28 00:01:49,499 --> 00:01:56,609 write down and look at later. I will say that - so there's two things there. 29 00:01:56,609 --> 00:02:00,839 There's Openverse, which is - think of it like a search engine. So it's crawling 30 00:02:00,839 --> 00:02:03,959 literally the whole web, and looking for things that are Creative Commons 31 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:08,279 licensed and providing a directory of them. So what people publish to their own 32 00:02:08,279 --> 00:02:11,759 websites is kind of the state of responsibility there. But it's kind of 33 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:16,829 like a Google but for Creative Commons licensed content. That is separate from 34 00:02:16,829 --> 00:02:21,779 the WordPress.org/Photos directory that we've created, which is kind of like a 35 00:02:21,779 --> 00:02:26,129 Getty or an Unsplash or everything but all CC0 licensed forever and 36 00:02:26,129 --> 00:02:29,399 ever. By the way, we're not going to change that on you like some other photo 37 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:38,519 directories have. That goes to moderation. If you want to submit to 38 00:02:38,519 --> 00:02:43,439 something there, you'll see that right now, it says, "Hey" - one of the checkboxes 39 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:46,979 it certifies, of course, one, that you have rights to the photo. Please 40 00:02:46,979 --> 00:02:50,849 don't upload other people's photos to it, only your own. But, two, that it doesn't 41 00:02:50,849 --> 00:02:57,839 have any human faces or other copy written material in the photo itself. So 42 00:02:57,839 --> 00:03:02,129 this first phase of the photo directory really focused on things that can truly be 43 00:03:02,129 --> 00:03:07,019 CC0 all the way. Something we've all been learning - and it's a little 44 00:03:07,019 --> 00:03:14,189 complicated - is with humans and, like, a picture of - let's say you had a picture 45 00:03:14,189 --> 00:03:19,229 of a piece of art that might have a copyright embedded. So even if the image 46 00:03:19,229 --> 00:03:23,729 is CC0, something in it might be copywritten. And so we're 47 00:03:23,729 --> 00:03:30,149 working on - what is an open source, GPL, CC0 model release? 48 00:03:30,149 --> 00:03:38,279 What does that look like? And that is a very open set of lawyers working on 49 00:03:38,279 --> 00:03:43,139 things. But once we have it, I think that's actually really exciting. Maybe 50 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:48,749 someone could license their likeness as well to be in the Openverse. Maybe 51 00:03:48,749 --> 00:03:53,549 we generate something with GPT-3 that replaces faces and then that's the 52 00:03:53,549 --> 00:03:58,229 thing that's open. Or maybe someone even says, "Maybe while I'm alive, I don't want 53 00:03:58,229 --> 00:04:02,519 my likeness used. But maybe on my death, I bequeath my likeness to this open 54 00:04:02,519 --> 00:04:05,699 commons that belongs to humanity." There's lots of different ways this 55 00:04:05,699 --> 00:04:10,049 could work, kind of is fun to think about and imagine. But that's how that's 56 00:04:10,049 --> 00:04:15,959 working right now. We'll probably, you know, what makes sense is something that maybe 57 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:19,679 shows the EXIF data you upload before it goes into the thing, at least for a 58 00:04:19,679 --> 00:04:22,499 photo directory. So you're just aware of everything that's being put in there. 59 00:04:22,769 --> 00:04:27,149 Location is actually fantastic to have. Like if I have a picture of Stonehenge 60 00:04:27,779 --> 00:04:31,829 the location where I took that picture is kind of awesome. But other metadata, 61 00:04:31,829 --> 00:04:35,609 which could be contained in EXIF, probably people should just be aware of. 62 00:04:35,609 --> 00:04:40,499 Right? So we'll work on getting that added to the photo uploader. And by the 63 00:04:40,499 --> 00:04:43,120 way, awesome question. Thank you. - Thank you very much for the answer. 64 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,050 Strong open. 65 00:04:45,210 --> 00:04:48,840 No problem. Did we cover everything you think is important there? Anything else? 66 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:53,784 Okay, awesome. Bob, before you ask your question 67 00:04:53,784 --> 00:04:56,340 can you share how you got here? 68 00:04:59,130 --> 00:05:02,820 By train, from Seattle - From Seattle? 69 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:06,185 Yeah, Seattle. - That's on the other side of the country, right? 70 00:05:06,185 --> 00:05:11,549 On the other side of the country, and spending about six days on the train, two 71 00:05:11,549 --> 00:05:18,299 days here. And yeah, it's been an adventure. So I've come all this way. 72 00:05:18,909 --> 00:05:21,149 Give me some Woo for 2022. 73 00:05:21,849 --> 00:05:23,550 - Some moo? Woo. 74 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:27,710 I want to hear what WooCommerce is going to do in 2022 in your eyes. 75 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:35,220 Sure. So Woo, spelled W-O-O for those who don't know, is a plugin for WordPress, which 76 00:05:35,550 --> 00:05:41,820 creates commerce functionality in WordPress. It's one of the 55,000 77 00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:45,420 plugins that exist. But it is a very popular one, an important one, 78 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:49,680 especially as we look at things like - you saw Shopify coming up on that usage 79 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:55,020 graph. WooCommerce is an open source Shopify, and we hope that it can do to 80 00:05:55,380 --> 00:06:00,540 democratizing commerce what WordPress has done to democratizing publishing. 81 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:07,350 In terms of what's coming for WooCommerce in 2022, the thing I'm most excited 82 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:12,030 about that's most relevant for this audience is, I would say, embracing 83 00:06:12,030 --> 00:06:17,220 Gutenberg and the block interfaces for everything with Woo. So right now, Woo still 84 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:22,620 has some ways of doing things which are more tied to the Classic Editor, or 85 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:26,880 shortcodes, or other ways of creating, like, check out blocks, products, 86 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,980 everything like that. There are some plugins and experiments around 87 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:37,260 Gutenberg and blocks. And I think that I would love if Woo was one of the best 88 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:42,150 plugins in the world for embracing how to use Gutenberg. And I think the team's 89 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:47,430 been working really hard on that. It is an amazing team. That both includes a 90 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:50,520 lot of community and a lot of the folks sponsored by Automattic to work on that. 91 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,860 And I'd say that's what 2022 - the thing that's most relevant for this audience 92 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:59,388 I'm excited about is more Gutenberg in Woo. 93 00:06:59,388 --> 00:07:01,740 And we also have the CEO of WooCommerce here. Does that sound - 94 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:08,320 Giving me a thumbs up? That sounds good? All right. Sounds good. 95 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,950 So more Gutenberg? That's kind of the answer to everything is more 96 00:07:10,950 --> 00:07:17,330 Gutenberg. It's like cowbell. You can always have more cowbell. 97 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:18,840 You can always have more Gutenberg. 98 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,190 Thank you. Well, that was worth 6000 miles. 99 00:07:30,329 --> 00:07:35,879 Cool. Alright, should we move to an online question or - wait, we got one in 100 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:39,029 person. And then next, let's do an online one, just to make sure we have 101 00:07:39,029 --> 00:07:40,109 everything from those folks. 102 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:46,320 Sweet. So my question is about styles. I think, you know, the theme styles and - or 103 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,500 variants, I think they were called initially, is a very innovative idea that 104 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:53,220 lets people paint their sites. It's great for developers, designers, and 105 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:57,840 everyday users. So I understand that. I think, what could be interesting, and I 106 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,110 wonder if you've thought about this, is perhaps there's a Style Directory like 107 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:05,550 we have a Pattern Directory. Is that something we're in the thought of? 108 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:08,850 I know that there's a couple other concerns, you know, we'd have to have a 109 00:08:08,850 --> 00:08:11,880 standardized way that themes are being made, which we're moving towards 110 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,870 already. So I don't know, I think that's an interesting way to empower people to 111 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:20,250 also give back to the Directory or into WordPress, just like patterns. Like if 112 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:24,450 you can save a pattern, can you save a style? And then anybody can save a style? 113 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:26,310 Is that something on the docket? 114 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:32,070 I'm going to fast-forward a little bit here into basically science fiction. But if 115 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:37,170 you could imagine us getting a really great repository of truly CC0 116 00:08:37,170 --> 00:08:43,980 Creative Commons, zero license stuff, around images, fonts, etc. That opens up 117 00:08:43,980 --> 00:08:48,210 a lot of possibilities for creating essentially GPL compatible styles, like 118 00:08:48,210 --> 00:08:53,190 you talked about. If you've ever watched or helped a friend set up WordPress, or 119 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:57,570 watched a user test or something, one of the most hard - most heartbreaking things 120 00:08:57,810 --> 00:09:04,320 is when someone chooses a theme based on the image in the demo. And I learned 121 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,460 this myself. So in one of the previous themes, like Twenty Ten or Twenty Eleven 122 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:12,060 there wasn't a lot of open source licensed imagery in the world and so I just took 123 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:16,470 all my photos and GPL-licensed them. So one of these old themes - I think it's Twenty Ten 124 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:22,830 there's a picture from Ireland of some sheep on a road. And we would literally 125 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:29,520 do user tests where people were like, "I like the sheep, so I chose this theme." And it's 126 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,530 like, "Yes, I like the sheep too, but you can put any image in the world there. It 127 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:40,380 doesn't just have to be a sheep theme." It's really, it's a - yeah, you know what 128 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:45,540 I'm talking about. Styles right now are tied to themes and it's tied to theme.json 129 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:52,800 And so I think theme.json is - theme dot J-S-O-N, which I call JSON. I don't 130 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,130 know how you pronounce it, but that's how I call it - it's the number one thing. If 131 00:09:56,130 --> 00:10:00,510 you're a theme developer or interested in developing themes, look up that. Learn as much 132 00:10:00,510 --> 00:10:03,570 about theme.json as possible. So right now, it's specific to the 133 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:09,090 theme. But over time, particularly for things like typography, which is a 134 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:13,470 passion of mine. Actually, my very first open source code I ever created, 135 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:18,450 which was a contribution to b2, the predecessor to WordPress, was texturize. 136 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:24,780 Which was - I'd learned a ton about typography and I wanted all posts to 137 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:29,370 have proper typography. So instead of a prime mark in between a word like 138 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:34,080 that's - between the that and the s - I wanted to be a proper curly quote. And 139 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,620 so this first code I ever contributed to open source was texturized. I'm very 140 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:41,910 passionate about this. I would love for people to be able to see the incredible 141 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:45,840 transformations that can happen to a site through updating the typography 142 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:50,430 and particularly pairings of type where you have might have like, a really 143 00:10:50,430 --> 00:10:54,120 awesome serif paired with a really awesome sans serif for the body text or 144 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,400 something like that. And I think how themes evolve a little bit - actually 145 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:06,150 I'm not sure entirely how themes evolve but - to be honest - but it's pretty 146 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:11,190 exciting that the theme can almost be a little bit like - honestly it reminds me of 147 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:17,070 jazz. I grew up playing jazz. It's why we name every WordPress release after a 148 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:22,530 jazz musician. Jazz are often based on something called standards. So like a 149 00:11:22,530 --> 00:11:27,660 good chunk of all popular jazz songs are built on rhythm changes, which is a set of 150 00:11:27,660 --> 00:11:32,251 chord changes, actually from I think, a musical song called "I Got Rhythm." 151 00:11:32,251 --> 00:11:35,726 [sings] I got rhythm, I got music. 152 00:11:35,726 --> 00:11:38,310 Really cool chord changes there. Really awesome bridge. 153 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:42,510 And people have written lots of other songs on top of that. What's cool 154 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:47,280 is the chord changes - I think I'm a little outside of my realm of expertise 155 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,640 here - but the chord changes themselves are essentially open source, meaning 156 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,020 anyone can use those chord changes. Now the melody right on top of it 157 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:59,130 might be proprietary, might belong to a specific thing. But that kind of 158 00:11:59,130 --> 00:12:03,000 underlying structure is open. And so I think themes become that kind of 159 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,360 underlying structure. And then what people take on top of it - it's the chord 160 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,320 changes. And then what people create on top of it could be as varied and unique 161 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,730 as all the things written, people have written on top of the rhythm changes 162 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:16,760 as they're called in jazz 163 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:24,930 which is incredible. Thousands of songs, countless millions of, like, performances 164 00:12:24,930 --> 00:12:31,260 and solos. So that's my hope for what happens with themes. And hopefully, we 165 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:36,120 can get more - like, we don't have a ton of CC0 licensed fonts yet. So hopefully, 166 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,680 we can develop more and more of that content in the Openverse/metaverse 167 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,580 that is available to all WordPress users. And the cool thing 168 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:48,750 about Openverse, as well, is the API is totally open. So that's available to Drupal 169 00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:53,130 users, Joomla users, everyone else - Wix users, Squarespace users. Anyone 170 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:58,260 who wants to access this content, it is something the WordPress community is 171 00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:03,720 creating for benefit to the world. So if you contribute to that you're 172 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,870 essentially contributing to humanity's repository of cool open stuff that's 173 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:14,250 available for anyone to use in any way. So I'm very excited about what the 174 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:18,720 future of Openverse will be. We have the very first - we basically just got the 175 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,380 code ported over and the search engine ported over, and not even the audio yet, 176 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:27,450 that's coming in January. And I cannot believe more in the mission of that. 177 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,310 Thank you. - Thank you. 178 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:36,597 Cool, and you can line up behind her if you also have a question. 179 00:13:37,397 --> 00:13:39,560 But come on in. What's your name, by the way? 180 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:41,070 Ali. - Hi Ali. 181 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:47,190 Hi Matt. So I create a lot of content around WordPress for the people who are 182 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:51,360 looking at WordPress in front of them for the first time looking to, you know, 183 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,410 build something with it having never used it before. And I think a lot about 184 00:13:55,410 --> 00:14:00,600 the young people who are looking at WordPress as a path to something, as a 185 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,980 path to improving their life or brightening their future whatever that 186 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:08,130 might be. And I know that we have in the live stream right now a lot of young 187 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:15,120 people watching, listening, and being inspired by this. What advice would you have to 188 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:22,020 those young people who are looking to inherit this world that we're leaving 189 00:14:22,020 --> 00:14:29,010 them? And what advice can you give them as far as using WordPress as a tool 190 00:14:29,010 --> 00:14:33,930 to improve what we're leaving them? No pressure. 191 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:38,260 That's a cool one. 192 00:14:44,655 --> 00:14:48,210 In my life, one of the most influential things I ever realized 193 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:53,190 was that everything I was using, every piece of technology, every piece 194 00:14:53,190 --> 00:14:58,800 of furniture, every chair, everything was created by someone who wasn't that 195 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,950 much different from me or people I knew. And so there's crafts that can be 196 00:15:04,950 --> 00:15:10,740 developed when you focus on an area. And in fact, with the internet, there's more 197 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:16,620 and more of this through YouTube, Wikipedia, online blogs, etc. There's so 198 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:22,050 much you can learn about pretty much any area that you're passionate about. And I 199 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:26,010 think, for me, and it might be Steve Jobs or someone else who talks about this, but 200 00:15:26,010 --> 00:15:30,780 just this idea that the things that I use and love are created by people 201 00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:36,090 not that much different from me was really powerful. And that's part of 202 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:40,620 what got me contributing to open source in the beginning. When I was - again, I got 203 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:48,660 started on the forums of b2. So b2 is the predecessor to WordPress. It had some 204 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:53,460 forums, probably run by like phpBB or something. And I just, at first, I was 205 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:57,450 asking questions and then, later, I saw questions I had already asked being 206 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:01,140 asked by other people. And I started answering them. I didn't know anything. 207 00:16:02,130 --> 00:16:09,780 I couldn't - I cannot overemphasize how ignorant I was, as a 17, 18, 19 year old 208 00:16:09,780 --> 00:16:15,450 kid in Houston, Texas, who had no formal training, no university courses, etc. So 209 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,530 I think what's exciting about the digital economy is that, in this 210 00:16:22,530 --> 00:16:28,320 Openverse that we're trying to create together, it doesn't matter who you are, 211 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,000 where you're from, or anything like that. It matters what you contribute. 212 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:37,590 And learning to contribute has never been more accessible and more open source 213 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:48,360 more open. The other advice I'd give is that, when you're younger, you have a 214 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,090 lot more time than you realize. And to try to invest that time - if there's 215 00:16:54,090 --> 00:17:00,600 anyone young listening to this - in what your passion is, you know. If you 216 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,910 feel drawn to a particular area - I was actually shocked both in my own 217 00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:12,450 experience, and in seeing many other successful folks since then, in how 218 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:22,380 being a world expert in XYZ - whatever XYZ is - is maybe 100 hours of work in 219 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:27,720 some areas. Maybe 200 hours of work. But when you're young, you have a lot more 220 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,480 hours than folks who maybe are providing for the family or full-time jobs or 221 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:40,080 other things. So really embrace that opportunity of both school, education, 222 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,580 literature available to you, etc. to try to consume and absorb as much of it 223 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:57,630 as possible. I feel so much - one of my only regrets as a almost 38 year old is that 224 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,180 I didn't pay as much attention when I was in school. And I went to all public 225 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:08,040 schools in Houston. But I had some amazing teachers, like the text I was 226 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:16,290 given, the literature, etc. was free or inexpensive, and was really 227 00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:18,810 passion from these teachers of some of the best things that humanity has 228 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:22,740 created so far. So check that out. And the code equivalent of that is 229 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:29,370 WordPress in a lot of ways. Meaning that, again, you can think of the other 230 00:18:29,370 --> 00:18:34,350 largest Internet services in the world - Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. You 231 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:41,880 can't go and look at how they work. You can't suggest a change to how the Google 232 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,030 homepage works or the Facebook algorithm or anything like that. Those 233 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:48,420 are all proprietary. With things like Wikipedia and WordPress, it's all open 234 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:54,900 source. Which means that you could suggest a change of the WP admin 235 00:18:54,900 --> 00:19:00,630 homepage, which hundreds of thousands of millions of people see and impacts a 236 00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:06,090 lot of folks. So open source for me was a huge enabler - again, not growing up in 237 00:19:06,090 --> 00:19:10,410 the Bay area or the traditional, like, Seattle or other traditional 238 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:15,780 centers of technology. It was really exciting for me. So I'll start with 239 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:19,890 that. Hopefully, I guess folks and maybe younger folks like something to start 240 00:19:19,890 --> 00:19:22,800 with. And I saw Josepha raise her hand, so maybe you have something to add there. 241 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,190 - I do. I also have an additional thing. Can I introduce you really quick? 242 00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:33,150 - Of course. So Josepha is the lead of WordPress.org. So she - 243 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,399 she is - all of the cool things we talked about around like the Directories, etc. 244 00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:48,329 Josepha is in charge of that. So she really leads the community development of 245 00:19:48,329 --> 00:19:53,009 WordPress.org. Everything around that. So thank you, Josepha. And now - 246 00:19:53,549 --> 00:19:58,439 And now this. So I think also one of the most important things - where am I 247 00:19:58,439 --> 00:20:03,869 looking? I'm going to look at you, Matt. Also, one really important thing to 248 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:07,469 remember for people who are getting started with WordPress for the first 249 00:20:07,469 --> 00:20:11,159 time is that the open source nature of it does mean that we also have really 250 00:20:11,159 --> 00:20:16,889 active and passive ways to learn some of the most vital 21st century skills that 251 00:20:16,889 --> 00:20:20,969 the workforce of the future will need. We need it now. But not all of us 252 00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:24,509 actually are any good at it in the world. WordPressers are generally really 253 00:20:24,509 --> 00:20:26,999 really good at it. And there's a reason for it. It's because we do it 254 00:20:26,999 --> 00:20:32,819 every day. And so like that, in the immediate - in my immediate advice that I 255 00:20:32,819 --> 00:20:36,449 can give to people, that is the number one thing. Like, observe the way that 256 00:20:36,449 --> 00:20:41,009 this works, because it's going to be relevant from here until they're done 257 00:20:41,009 --> 00:20:42,209 wanting to work. 258 00:20:43,589 --> 00:20:48,839 Anything else in the audience? Because we have an unusual audience here. 259 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,089 Here we go. Do you mind introducing yourself really quick? 260 00:20:51,089 --> 00:20:56,129 I'm Michelle Frechette and I'm with Stellar WP, but I also do a whole bunch 261 00:20:56,129 --> 00:21:02,789 of other stuff in the community, which is fun. So my question is actually off of those 262 00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:07,439 two responses as well. We have a ton of education out there, right? So 263 00:21:07,439 --> 00:21:12,029 whether it's through Learn WordPress, whether it's people on YouTube, all these 264 00:21:12,029 --> 00:21:15,959 opportunities to learn about it. What are we doing to bring the next 265 00:21:15,959 --> 00:21:21,299 generation in to help continue to grow? I'm watching the age of people I see at 266 00:21:21,299 --> 00:21:25,419 WordPress continue to grow, but not a ton of people coming in with us? 267 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:28,550 I don't know, I'm looking around. This is a very youthful group. 268 00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:33,720 Well, I'm one of the older here. I admit that. But what are we doing to bring - 269 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,240 I mean, I tweeted last week. Olivia Bisset - she's in middle school - had a 270 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,890 hackathon. I think I tagged you in my tweet. And she herself, with her sister 271 00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:48,510 put on a huge hackathon of all middle schoolers, but that's unusual. So what 272 00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:52,920 are we doing to make sure that the next generation of kids is going to want to 273 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,110 contribute the way that the people in this room do? 274 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:59,860 You stole my answer because I was going to talk about David and Olivia Bisset. 275 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:09,630 David Bisset, one of the most prolific tweeters about WordPress, Hi, David. 276 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:16,650 Will post a lot of gifs from this talk. Olivia is his daughter and already 277 00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:21,360 started to be really active in the WordPress community. I would put that 278 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:26,640 back to everyone in this room and everyone listening here as well. You 279 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,260 know the old adage, like you teach a person to fish or you teach a person - 280 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:34,560 you give a person a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a person to fish, you 281 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,890 feed them for their lifetimes. I think you just give a person a blog or, even 282 00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:45,750 worse, a social media account, you feed him for a day. You teach them how to 283 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:53,220 create the web, which is, in many ways, in my opinion, the most amazing 284 00:22:54,870 --> 00:23:01,230 actualization of shared humanity and knowledge. Like how do we create 285 00:23:01,230 --> 00:23:06,090 something that lasts beyond our own individual lifetimes? It's the web. How 286 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:10,410 do we create something that lasts beyond us? A legacy, a true legacy? It's adding 287 00:23:10,410 --> 00:23:14,220 to the information that's part of what hopefully goes forward for future 288 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:18,150 generations. And then becomes - allows us to sort of fast - skip all the 289 00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:23,460 mistakes, skip all the learnings to what's latest. It's upgrading the clock 290 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:31,350 speed and version of humanity. So for anyone who's listening, mentoring and 291 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:36,600 guiding someone younger than yourself into participating in the WordPress 292 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:48,360 community is - you get like. What is it? A mitzvah? You get like an extra 293 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:54,510 special bonus and, sort of like the history of open source in the world, if 294 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:58,650 you bring someone new into it. So I'd highly encourage you - and there's so 295 00:23:58,650 --> 00:24:01,620 many, if you look at some of the biggest contributors to WordPress over the 296 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:08,610 years, a Ryan Boren or a Nacin, etc. part of their legacy, beyond just all the code 297 00:24:08,610 --> 00:24:16,050 they wrote, is all the people they brought in. And the folks who felt like 298 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:18,930 you know, they knew a lot but they weren't able to contribute or something. 299 00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:25,050 And they said, "No, you got it. You can be a Core committer. You can be someone 300 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:29,550 who patches a Core bug. You can be someone who translates WordPress 301 00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:33,300 into an entirely new language, or preserves a language for posterity." 302 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:39,630 Like there's so much you can do using WordPress as the launchpad for 303 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:44,460 contributing something positive to humanity. And so that is, I think, a real 304 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:54,030 key. So I don't know what is perfect for the young people because I'm not one of 305 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:59,790 them anymore. I was when WordPress started. But to the extent you have anyone 306 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:04,620 in your lives, both here in the audience or broader to the folks watching this 307 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:12,060 that has that desire to have an impact, teach them how to be involved with open 308 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:15,510 source and whether that's WordPress or some other open source project, I think 309 00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:21,900 is the best way to contribute to the future of humanity. Thank you. 310 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,580 What's that? - More KidsCamps? 311 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:26,870 More KidsCamps? Yeah, we do have some KidCamps. So very specifically 312 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:30,180 we have KidsCamps at places like WordCamp - was it 313 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:38,490 Orlando? Miami, Miami. Yeah. Which David Bisset helped organize. Let's all be 314 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:45,090 more like David. If you have kids, why aren't they contributing? I wouldn't 315 00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:47,880 put that on anyone because kids do the opposite of what you ask them. So 316 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:53,100 like, tell them don't contribute to WordPress. And then maybe they will. 317 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,400 - Take your kids to WordPress day. Take your kids to WordPress day actually is 318 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,590 an awesome idea. - We'll talk later. 319 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:05,390 Cool. Should we do one from online? 320 00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:13,080 This is a question from - I lost the name. But it was essentially - there were a couple 321 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,320 of references to the metaverse in, I think, sort of a joking way, but 322 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:19,350 one's on WordPress in virtual reality. 323 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,460 WordPress in virtual reality. 324 00:26:27,805 --> 00:26:29,940 Let's pass the mic really quick. Do you want to say something? 325 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:34,350 Hey, no, we got one. We got one. Here you go. Again, the 326 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:37,710 intelligence in this audience is far greater than what I have so I want to 327 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:39,600 push this back as much as possible. - I just wanted to say 328 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,980 WordCamp Boston did do that, if not earlier this year - it was last year. 329 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:46,320 They had a virtual reality WordCamp - Oh, cool. 330 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,270 And it was last year. Thank you. Just yeah. 331 00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:57,600 That's a tricky one. I don't know how to answer that, to be totally honest. 332 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Because like, the internet is virtual reality. It's just kind of text-based. 333 00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:07,710 And then when you think of other ways of interfacing with virtual reality, like 334 00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:15,210 VR headsets, or AR, etc. One good thing WordPress - WordPress is great at dealing 335 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:21,000 with content. So don't build on top of WordPress if you're building like 336 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,290 a messaging system or real time game or something like that. But if you're 337 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:29,700 making something that essentially is people inputting content and 338 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,690 outputting that to the world, you should probably be building it on WordPress. 339 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,020 Whether it's real estate, records, almost anything. If it's content going in and out 340 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:50,010 that should be on WordPress. When companies - nameless - should talk about 341 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:56,100 this idea of a metaverse, they often talk about the interoperability. This 342 00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:02,010 idea that contents or items that you create in one metaverse is available in 343 00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:09,486 all of them. If I imagine my most sci-fi thoughts of the future - science fiction 344 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:17,940 it's hard for me to imagine that if humanity interacts more and more in a 345 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:22,530 virtual space, that will be controlled by one company. I really think it'll 346 00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:29,010 look more like the web. Like a place where people can register domains. We 347 00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:36,270 actually had a joke in here, I forgot to tell. So you get it now. What if there 348 00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:42,930 were something like a DAO, a distributed autonomous organization, that 349 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:48,270 manage a namespace, which you could pay to own a part of, and in fact, there's 350 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:53,700 no gas fees for owning part of it. The fees are borne by the merchant. 351 00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:57,660 That would essentially be buying a domain with a credit card on any 352 00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:07,290 registrar. So we have things already that any person listening to this can 353 00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:13,350 have true ownership of, like a domain. That's their, like, home on the internet. 354 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:16,980 Internet is the best metaverse we've created so far. And part of that's 355 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:20,850 because of the interoperability, and the open standards that these things are 356 00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:28,110 built on. Patent-free standards as well, which I'll emphasize. So to the extent 357 00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:32,370 that things will be - I don't know exactly what it'll look like. Nothing I've seen 358 00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:36,540 so far is that compelling. But to the extent that there are fun, content-driven things 359 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:40,140 that are going to be part of the next generations of the web? Web3, Web4 360 00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:45,330 Web5, Web10 - I expect WordPress will be at the center of it. 361 00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:50,880 We've got an in-person question. Okay. Please introduce yourself. 362 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,660 Hi, my name is Bud Kraus. We've never had the pleasure to meet but I've heard you 363 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:56,808 speak at several of these. - Thank you. 364 00:29:56,808 --> 00:30:00,000 And welcome to New York. So all I want to know 365 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,530 is this is a brand new space. Sorry for the people who aren't here, but 366 00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:08,010 this is a brand new space. What are you going to be doing here? And can we use 367 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:10,280 it too, the people who live in this area? 368 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:20,550 Yeah. So for those who are watching online, we're in this cool space in the 369 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:25,950 Noho - which means north of Houston, which is a New York incorrect way to 370 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:36,840 pronounce Houston, which is the city where I'm from - neighborhood. And it's 371 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,630 a cool neighborhood, it's near a lot of public transit. And it's a cool space. A 372 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:47,370 company I'm involved in, CEO of Automattic, when we purchased the 373 00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:55,890 company called Tumblr, got this space. And so we have this until 2025. Not 374 00:30:55,890 --> 00:30:59,880 coincidentally, a lot more of the people working on Tumblr and everything we do 375 00:31:00,030 --> 00:31:03,180 have gone more distributed. So there's not as many people in this particular 376 00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:07,860 space as there used to be. But we tried to create this in a way that, much like 377 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,840 tonight, could be a place that people use for events and other community things. 378 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,580 So if you're interested in doing that, for something particularly open source 379 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:21,930 driven within the community, we're happy to open up this space for anything in 380 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:27,270 the future. And a cool kind of aside is all the art in the space, including 381 00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:34,110 what's behind me, is from people on Tumblr. And so these are all publishers 382 00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:37,740 on Tumblr. So all the art that will be in the space and eventually - right now 383 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:42,030 we have this wall covered. We're going to cover every single wall here. So we 384 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:46,590 have many thousands of square feet to cover still. It's all going to be people who 385 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:50,460 publish on WordPress and Tumblr. And in the future, Tumblr will be powered by 386 00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:54,540 WordPress, so that'll happen. So it'll all be the same thing. So it's kind of 387 00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:59,430 cool that it'll all be artists that use open source publishing to put their 388 00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:06,150 content into the Openverse. Alright. 389 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:12,090 Hi, Matt. My name is Anil, and I have a curiosity question. You mentioned about 390 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:18,480 Gutenberg Phase Three, which will be collaboration. So I'm curious, what can 391 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,310 we expect at that phase of Gutenberg and collaboration? 392 00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:28,140 That's a good question. Because I talked twice as long as last year, but maybe 393 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:34,800 missed that particular point. So that Collaboration Phase - collaboration? 394 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,020 Sorry. Phase Three of Gutenberg is - imagine Google Docs. It's probably the 395 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:43,140 best analogy. You know how when you're in a Google Doc, when someone 396 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:45,870 else is editing at the same time, you see exactly what they're doing, what 397 00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:50,310 they're changing. So imagine every single thing on WordPress updating in real 398 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:55,770 time, as other people edit it. So there's no more version conflicts or 399 00:32:55,770 --> 00:33:00,810 anything like that. Literally, WordPress represents the kind of real-time source 400 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:06,540 of truth for whatever the content - whether it's, again, posts, pages, or 401 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:12,690 other in real-time. And then there's both a real-time awareness and workflows 402 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:17,910 around editing that. And so the real-time awareness is kind of the easy part 403 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:20,910 actually. It's that part where when someone else is editing at the same 404 00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:25,380 time, and you're editing it, you see what's happening. So there's no 405 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,310 conflicts. The workflow is a little trickier and that's what I'm 406 00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:34,620 actually more excited about working on. Where workflow is a word we use for 407 00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:40,050 someone edits it, someone approves it, someone like - there's different stages of 408 00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:44,490 different forms of content. Which is also very relevant for translation. 409 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:50,100 Someone writes the content, let's say in English, and then maybe it gets 410 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:55,080 translated into another language. I realized this personally, to share 411 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,210 another weird story like the economics thing. On WordPress.com, we use 412 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:04,200 GlotPress and allowed anyone to translate any string on WordPress.com. 413 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:10,230 And for a while, on every - I forget which language it was, but let's just call it 414 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:15,240 Italian. Instead of saying "Leave a Comment" on every Italian blog hosted on 415 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:22,440 WordPress.com, it said "Happy Birthday." So someone obviously was like trolling us 416 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,320 and said, like, instead of "Leave a Comment," it'll say "Happy Birthday." 417 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,830 That was actually pretty funny. Whoever did that, I'll buy you a beer. But 418 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,640 ideally, there would have been a workflow or someone else who speaks 419 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,550 Italian would have said, "This says 'Happy Birthday.'" How do you even say that 420 00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:47,520 in Italian? Does anyone know? I know you say "Feliz navidad." How do you say like 421 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,410 happy birthday and merry Christmas. What is happy birthday? 422 00:34:51,410 --> 00:34:54,420 - Buon natale? I'm guessing 423 00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:59,850 Buon natale? Okay, okay. We'll go there. Someone would have seen that and said, 424 00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:03,840 "That doesn't mean 'Leave a Comment.' And we shouldn't put this on the 425 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,720 homepage of every single Italian WordPress in the world." So that 426 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:15,360 workflow, I think, is key to Phase Four of Gutenberg, which is why it's part of 427 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:21,660 Phase Three. So collaboration is the fun part, which will be easy and hard to do 428 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:25,410 at the same time, which is that kind of real time co-editing. And there's some 429 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:28,890 cool new standards in browsers that allow us to do this in a decentralized 430 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:32,940 way, which I'm really excited about, using essentially features built into 431 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:36,840 Chrome and others that allow us to, like connect multiple people editing a 432 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,860 page or post at the same time, using just a browser and open source 433 00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:47,160 technology. But the more like, approval, etc, is a little bit more of the later 434 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Phase Three. So 2023, we'll work on that. For now, contribute to Openverse, 435 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:59,790 block patterns, blocks, and block themes. That is the key for 2022. Again, if I 436 00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:04,350 get on stage next year, and say there's 30 - we've gone to 40 block themes? 437 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:12,120 Utter failure. Please throw fruit at me or something else. I hope that we have 438 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:18,240 300, or ideally 3000, of these block- enabled themes and that's - both that's 439 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,990 updating existing themes and creating new ones to allow people to express their 440 00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:27,060 creativity online through the Gutenberg editor. Again, right now, if you look at 441 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:35,820 what social networks do, they try to really narrow you into a very limited 442 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:39,690 expression of creativity. Why? Because they want to serve ads against your 443 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:43,650 profile and what you're creating. They want to target you. That's not what 444 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:48,000 we're trying to do with WordPress. So we want you to create the most unique, cool 445 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,700 stuff online as possible. And blocks enable people to do that. And I'm 446 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:56,120 looking forward to more and more of it. Does that answer the question? 447 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,950 - Yes, thank you. Cool, thank you. 448 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:07,915 I saw someone stand up over here. Was that? Okay. 449 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:14,820 You have preempted so many of the questions that were submitted. 450 00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:18,060 Oh! - We're getting you one, though. 451 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:24,330 Somewhat related to what you were just speaking to, the question is: 452 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:27,840 soon we'll have blocks that allow you to drag everything everywhere. We'll soon 453 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,220 have a ton of free images, patterns, etc. How are we going to make all that 454 00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:34,620 easy to understand and use for users? 455 00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:43,980 Yeah, that's our problem. So this is what is going to be, I think, the focus 456 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:54,510 of Core WordPress iterations over 5.9, 6.0, 6.1, and beyond. I'll say it in 457 00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:58,800 an abstract sense, which is things like user tests. And we do run these and we 458 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,390 publish them on our Make WordPress blogs, which is where we'll ask someone 459 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:08,400 who has never used WordPress before, "Please try it out." And this is something 460 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,580 proprietary software companies do all the time. But in WordPress, we actually 461 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:15,450 publish these. And so you can see them and you can learn from them. And you can 462 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:19,380 see what someone who's never used WordPress before has trouble with using 463 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:23,190 and not using. Things that might be very, very intuitive to people in this room 464 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:25,890 because we've been using WordPress for five or 10 years, might be very 465 00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:29,550 challenging to someone entirely new to the concepts or the abstractions that we 466 00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:34,860 use. The other example, which I hope everyone listening to this does - because 467 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:40,110 if you're listening to this, you're like a WordPress OG - is helping a friend use 468 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:46,230 WordPress. Right? I hear a laugh in the front row. It's like that whole thing 469 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:51,840 like, "Friends don't let friends publish on Wix." Take someone who's 470 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,910 building a website, you say, "All right, I'm going to help you set this up." And 471 00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:59,850 while you're doing that, you're probably going to learn a lot of things that are 472 00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:05,850 tough in WordPress. And hopefully, that helps you then contribute a bug or an 473 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:08,670 improvement or something into the Core software that makes it easier for 474 00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:13,680 everyone else to use. By the way, to the extent WordPress - again, that's what's amazing 475 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,530 about it to me. When you look at that 10 times larger than the second in the 476 00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:26,340 marketplace - by the way, Shopify is a company valued at like $140 billion. How 477 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:31,560 did we do that? How do we be 10 times larger than that? It's just people 478 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,350 helping other people. I can't put it more simply than that. It's how 479 00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:41,370 WordPress has had basically no marketing dollars through its whole history. Its 480 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:46,290 friends telling friends, like, "Hey, you want a website? Let me help you set it 481 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:52,290 up." And then when they have trouble, coming back to a cool WordPress Make 482 00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:57,630 site or something else and saying, "Hey, my friend had trouble with XYZ. Can - I 483 00:39:57,630 --> 00:40:01,800 think if we move this around or change this widget or make this button more prominent 484 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:09,060 or something like that - that would be more intuitive for folks." And the beauty 485 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:12,480 of a project like WordPress, and there's a few other open source projects which 486 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,760 are similar, is we can simultaneously become more intuitive for new users at 487 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,790 the same time that we become more powerful for power users. That's not 488 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:29,430 easy. I think it can only happen in the digital realm. Like an SLR camera with 489 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:34,320 like 80 buttons can't also become simultaneously easier for people 490 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,010 just taking their first photo. But in the digital world, we can do that. And 491 00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:42,210 that's actually really, really exciting. So that's part of what excites me about 492 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:46,170 WordPress, and I hope is a part of what people contribute in the future. 493 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:58,890 Another from the off site questions? Let's see. This is from Sarah Gooding. 494 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:02,400 What can WordPress do to protect small publishers from the threat of big tech 495 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,890 companies' greed and hostility to the open web? 496 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,180 Oh, my goodness. 497 00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:16,580 Big tech companies - was it hostility to the open web? 498 00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:18,012 Greed and hostility to the open web. 499 00:41:18,012 --> 00:41:21,210 Greed and hostility. Oh, my goodness, we're dealing with one of the 500 00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:31,530 seven deadly sins. First, I'll say that there's some giant tech companies whose 501 00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:37,800 greed and hostility is somewhat aligned with the open web. Meaning that a Google 502 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:44,490 who is indexing the web, is probably more aligned with the mission of WordPress 503 00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:50,160 than a Facebook, which is trying to create an alternative to the open web or 504 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:56,340 other companies. Fill in the blank there. So that's something to keep in mind. The 505 00:41:56,340 --> 00:42:05,190 number one thing I think we can do is create an alternative. So it's easy to 506 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:10,170 forget that someone starting a WordPress might not want - the thing they 507 00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:14,010 wake up in the morning and think about is not like, "I want to make more open source 508 00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:18,990 software in the world." They might be thinking, "Hey, I want more customers in 509 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:26,670 my restaurant" or "I want more visitors, to my salon" or "I want more readers of 510 00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:31,800 my novel I'm working on." Like, whatever it might be. And the beauty of WordPress 511 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,670 is there's so many things you can do on top of it. It's that WordPress is a means 512 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:41,670 to an end. And this is our strength and our weakness. On third-party measuring 513 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:47,880 services, like a Quantcast or a Nielsen or something like that, like 514 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,980 a facebook.com or a google.com shows up as one domain. And WordPress is, in many 515 00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:57,210 ways, like the dark matter of the web in that it's the thing that comprises 516 00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:00,810 the majority of the universe, but doesn't show up on one domain by 517 00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:05,310 definition. It's across millions, tens - hundreds of millions of different 518 00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:10,170 domains and represents each person on the domain owning a piece of the web. 519 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:15,810 It belongs to them. Literally domains, I'm not - I'm going to pitch domains 520 00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:20,700 here. Domains are like the most Web3 thing you could create. It really 521 00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:29,790 belongs to you far more than almost anything else. So I think what we can do 522 00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:34,170 is - well, I'll tell you the biggest thing I've learned, which goes a little 523 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:38,970 back to your question on what is a thing to talk about to the youth or 524 00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:45,210 people that create things. Early on, I was like a Slashdot reading zealot. 525 00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:50,160 Meaning like, I was like, "Ah, Microsoft and Bill Gates are evil." I had a very 526 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,930 like, black and white view of the world where I saw open source as good and 527 00:43:54,930 --> 00:44:02,880 anything proprietary as bad. And it was binary. As you mature, you learn that 528 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:11,790 things are not binary. It's grayscale. It's duotone. And there's things that 529 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:14,730 are both simultaneously good and bad, and things that exist on the 530 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:19,530 spectrum. And over time, I've chosen to devote more of my life to things that I 531 00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:24,210 feel like are on the side of the spectrum that I want future generations - 532 00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,690 if I ever have children or grandchildren - them to experience of the web. But that 533 00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:42,300 the - everything exists on the spectrum. I would say that for - pure philosophy does 534 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:47,880 not win. Meaning that for folks, maybe like here in the room, or some of the 535 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,490 folks watching the livestream, the idea of owning your content, owning the software 536 00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:57,330 that powers it and everything like that, is very compelling. That's probably 537 00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:04,530 compelling for like 1 or 2% of humanity. We're at the very end of the bell curve 538 00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:10,200 of folks who care about those things. For the rest, if we want a 539 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,060 majority of the web - hopefully, I hope a majority, or even like 85 or 90% of the 540 00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:19,530 web to be powered by open source. For them, we need to create the best user experience. 541 00:45:19,530 --> 00:45:24,600 Meaning it needs to be the easiest. It needs to be the most intuitive. And it needs to be 542 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,440 the thing that gets them towards their goals the fastest. For many 543 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,240 people, that means WordPress will be invisible. And that's okay. We don't 544 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:37,260 need people to even know what WordPress is. If they're using WordPress, open 545 00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:41,820 source, open API, open data, everything to get to where they're going, that is 546 00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:46,980 infinitely better than using proprietary software to get from A to B. So we need 547 00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:49,350 to create as many use cases, as many - 548 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,300 work on usability as much as possible to create that. So that is my learning. And 549 00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:01,470 something I hope we can all work together great, because even if someone 550 00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:04,860 doesn't realize that using open source and making the web more open. If by 551 00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:08,520 creating their website, creating their restaurant, creating their online service 552 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,510 selling something online, they are doing so in a way that makes the web even just 553 00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:17,160 a smidgen more open. That's cool. That's good for humanity. That's the part I 554 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,900 want future generations to grow up in. Thank you. 555 00:46:25,595 --> 00:46:27,347 Okay, we got two minutes. 556 00:46:27,347 --> 00:46:30,802 - No, no. Two questions. Two questions! Okay. 557 00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:34,470 Well, how I talk, that could take 20 minutes. 558 00:46:35,325 --> 00:46:38,635 - Okay, we're down to 20 minutes, so I'm giving you five for each. 559 00:46:38,635 --> 00:46:42,140 Okay, five minutes per for each question, apparently. So. 560 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:53,310 Hi Matt, my name is Aaron Jorbin. I probably came the shortest distance 561 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:59,220 because I live, like, three blocks away. A couple of times, tonight, you've 562 00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:03,960 talked about the GPL, the importance of the GPL, the importance of the Four 563 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,910 Freedoms of the GPL. Over the last year, there's been an effort to dual license 564 00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:16,110 the Gutenberg repository, and thus allow people to use the WordPress code in ways 565 00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:20,100 that would not confer those four freedoms on to future users of 566 00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:26,280 WordPress. I'm wondering how that lines up with your ideas of the four freedoms and 567 00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:32,700 why I, as a contributor to WordPress, should support my code being re-licensed 568 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,150 to remove the four freedoms from future users? 569 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,100 That's such a good question. So thank you, Aaron, for asking that. And also, 570 00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:44,040 thank you for being someone else who makes me not the only person in the room 571 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:51,690 with a suit. And Aaron looks great. So thank you very much for that. Hopefully, 572 00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:59,940 we get that on camera. So this is interesting. So the GPL was created in 573 00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:06,570 the 80s and 90s, and had no concept of, essentially, delivery over the web. So 574 00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:13,470 the GPL says that if you share something, distribute it, which was - historically 575 00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:17,880 means, distributed the source code over like floppy disk, or CDs, or things like 576 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,580 that, you must confer the same freedoms. But it didn't count if you were just 577 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:29,280 running your website, which is good and bad. It's good in that, like, your 578 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:35,670 password file on your WordPress site is not GPL. Right? You don't need to share 579 00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:39,990 that to the world. There are licenses like the Affero GPL and others that say 580 00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:44,160 like you need to share everything, but it also creates a loophole. So technically, 581 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,510 like WordPress.com doesn't need to share any of its code back to the world. It 582 00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:52,170 does. Those folks work really hard on putting improvements back into 583 00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:56,880 WordPress, but they're not required to because delivery and distribution through SaaS 584 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:04,050 services does not confer the distribution in which the GPL was intended. 585 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:14,070 In practice, we do it but in letter of law, it's not required. Mobile apps 586 00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:21,780 are whole new worlds. And again, there is the ideal thing and there's the 587 00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:30,360 pragmatic thing. Practical - ideally, I would love to use a mobile device which 588 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,420 had firmer hardware, and everything involved with it was fully open source. 589 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:44,250 Pragmatically, I need to use an Android or iOS device, probably from Apple or 590 00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:50,640 Samsung, that works. That has good battery life and everything like that. 591 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:58,920 So I've always thought of myself as a pragmatic, open source evangelist. 592 00:50:00,450 --> 00:50:05,640 Gutenberg. Now how do we bring this to Gutenberg? So, Gutenberg is trying to 593 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:16,860 create a pan-CMS or pan-creation standard for things like blocks. We 594 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:21,930 think, or I think, that in Gutenberg, if we can create a standard interface for 595 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:27,030 things like adding an image or the basic things that you do within a block 596 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:33,600 interface, that is good for the web and humanity. So part of that is that I 597 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,680 would really like to see even proprietary systems adopt Gutenberg 598 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,650 blocks. I think that would be a win. You know, I've made fun of some systems like 599 00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:48,750 Wix and Squarespace or Mailchimp or others. I think they - I would love 600 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:53,670 I would be thrilled if they all used Gutenberg. And Gutenberg is licensed 601 00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:57,750 under a way that, if you use it, you don't have to make the rest of your 602 00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:04,140 software also open source. So the way the GPL is, is it's what's called a 603 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:10,020 "viral license." So if you use part of it, everything else that links it also has 604 00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:14,940 to be open source. Which I like for WordPress. I like for everything I do. 605 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,750 But I also recognize that maybe, in let's say, a mobile app, I might want to 606 00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:25,590 have an open source-based editor that uses the standards and code of 607 00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:31,740 Gutenberg, but the rest of the app might not be open source. Maybe it's the 608 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:36,390 Mailchimp app. Let's use Mailchimp as an example. I don't have any relation to 609 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:42,120 Mailchimp. So I can talk about that. Mailchimp's awesome, very successful, just 610 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,230 sold to Intuit for like $10 billion or whatever. If you look at what they're 611 00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:49,800 doing with their newsletter creator, it's blocks. If you look at what they're 612 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,820 doing and like - and they don't actually have a great mobile app yet, so it'd be 613 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:57,720 cool. So when we took our mobile apps - which means developing Gutenberg three 614 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:03,210 times. We have to develop for the web, iOS, and Android, which is a lot of 615 00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:11,310 work. We are re-licensing the mobile versions of Gutenberg as MIT, which 616 00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:15,420 means that they can be embedded in mobile apps, which are not also open 617 00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:22,170 source. This gets into another weird thing, which is all mobile apps are 618 00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:28,740 mediated by app stores. I don't love that, for the record. But it's the 619 00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:32,460 reality. You're either going through Google or Apple to distribute on an app 620 00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:34,710 store to the majority of humans in the world. 621 00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:40,290 And you have to - when you distribute your app, you kind of have to - you don't kind of, 622 00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:46,380 you have to agree to their terms of services and licenses, which are sort of 623 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:49,930 compatible with open source. Actually, WordPress has been a pioneer there. 624 00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:55,590 Apple originally did not allow GPL applications to be distributed on the 625 00:52:55,590 --> 00:53:02,850 Apple Store. And WordPress fought for that. And we won it, essentially. And, in 626 00:53:02,850 --> 00:53:08,700 fact, Apple has used WordPress code in demos. So we kind of got the unofficial 627 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,230 blessing that like, our GPL app was okay to be on the Apple store. But like, 628 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:18,720 that's still a process, which we fight and we go for. Most famously - was it 629 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,580 last year that it happened? 630 00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:24,285 Either last year or earlier this year, it all blends together. 631 00:53:24,285 --> 00:53:28,540 It all blends together. I don't know. Post-COVID, everything's a real mix. 632 00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:38,310 But that Apple issued an incredibly rare apology, which Apple never does, where they had 633 00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:43,980 sort of told the WordPress open source app they needed to do something that 634 00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:49,410 seemed a little outside of the requirements and the license. And they - 635 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,590 someone higher up realized that and walked it back. So not often that 636 00:53:55,590 --> 00:53:59,820 happens with a $2 trillion company. But it happened with WordPress and Apple. 637 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,680 And that was exciting. So we will continue fighting wherever we can for 638 00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:09,270 getting these app stores to open up a little bit. We will also be pragmatic in 639 00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:14,460 that in reality, everyone who has an Apple or iOS device means you go to the 640 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:20,220 app stores to reach them. And I think it's actually a flaw of - if we think of why 641 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,970 Drupal or Joomla hasn't done as well, I think they need apps. And I've 642 00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:28,193 encouraged those communities to create great apps because they need them. 643 00:54:28,193 --> 00:54:36,150 Why we're expanding the license of Gutenberg, in particular, to be both GPL and MIT 644 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:40,890 is that I would like WordPress blocks - or Gutenberg blocks to become standards 645 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:47,100 that are larger than just WordPress. And there is a Drupal version of Gutenberg 646 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:51,960 etc. But I think part of that is that if blocks can become standards across every 647 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:59,220 proprietary system. I make fun of Wix - I think it's fair, they've earned it. But 648 00:54:59,220 --> 00:55:06,810 if they adopted Gutenberg, I would toast them and take them out to beers. 649 00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:12,330 I think that'd be awesome. Gutenberg is something even bigger than WordPress, 650 00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:16,620 which is basically saying how do we edit and create the web? And can we get as 651 00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:21,600 many people - both proprietary and open source - collaborating on that as possible? 652 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,370 So that is the bet we've made. Maybe it's correct, maybe it's incorrect. I hope 653 00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:30,480 that you, as a contributor, still are excited about being part of Gutenberg, 654 00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:35,430 even though it's Gutenberg and MIT, which are both open source licenses. But 655 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:41,220 MIT, of course, allows proprietary licensing. I understand that. The 656 00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:46,170 majority of open source software in the world is, well, I think majority is GPL. 657 00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:52,980 But there's a big chunk that's non-GPL. I think, what we're doing - folks in this 658 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:57,210 room, you and I - are creating more that open source stuff. And if proprietary people 659 00:55:57,210 --> 00:56:00,650 use it along the way to creating more open source, I think that's great and okay. 660 00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:03,690 Thank you. - And thank you for wearing a suit. 661 00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:06,300 And thank you for coming tonight. 662 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,840 Someone asked me earlier why I wear a suit. And it's actually - one of my 663 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:22,170 favorite folks is Frank Sinatra. And he talked about - someone asked why they 664 00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:27,150 wore a tux every night to perform. And he said to the other band members, he 665 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:32,190 said, "Well, if we were performing for the king or queen, what would we wear? 666 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,290 We'd dress up. We'd wear a tux to perform for them." And he said, "Well, every 667 00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:42,240 single night that this band performs, there might be someone in the audience 668 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,930 who saved up two months to be there, or a waitress or someone like that, who 669 00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:50,160 really worked to be there. And so, guess what? We're gonna dress up for them and 670 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,560 perform for them like they are the King or Queen of England." Royalty. Every person 671 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,380 in the audience is royalty. So that's why I wear a suit every year. If you're 672 00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:05,010 wondering. This is like the only suit I wear during the year, but I wear it because I 673 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:09,660 consider every member of the WordPress community to be royalty. And I dress up for 674 00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:12,260 y'all. So thank you. 675 00:57:17,345 --> 00:57:19,638 Alright, this is the last question. I'm so excited. 676 00:57:19,638 --> 00:57:20,582 Bring us home. 677 00:57:20,582 --> 00:57:23,159 I think it's a short question. Hopefully it wasn't already asked. 678 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,220 Can you introduce yourself? 679 00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:29,550 Hi, I'm Rachel Winchester. Most people know me as Win. I'm here for representing 680 00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:35,580 DigitalCube. And I'm just curious if the topic of internet art has made it on 681 00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:38,010 your radar. And if it's something of interest to you. 682 00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:40,980 Tell me more about internet art. How do you define it? 683 00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:46,410 Well, internet art is browser art or web-based art. But it's art that uses the Internet 684 00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:51,720 as a medium. So it works with WordPress, because WordPress is that paintbrush. 685 00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:52,740 Hmm. 686 00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:57,270 I will also call out that you have an amazing Issey Miyake purse, who's one of my 687 00:57:57,270 --> 00:58:03,780 favorite designers of all time. Thank you for bringing that to the microphone 688 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:11,310 as well. What do you think about the Openverse and internet art? Like this idea 689 00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:14,340 that people could maybe even contribute internet art to the Openverse? 690 00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:19,350 Oh, I love the idea of making publicly accessible images more accessible. 691 00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:20,430 I love that idea. 692 00:58:21,929 --> 00:58:30,239 That this is - it's an interesting tension, right? Because artists create 693 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:37,229 things, and they want to earn a living from the things they create. And people 694 00:58:37,229 --> 00:58:41,699 create things and want to contribute it to the commons of humanity. That becomes 695 00:58:41,699 --> 00:58:45,599 part of what we remix, part of what we build on, part of the foundation of what 696 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:50,309 creates the next generations, next versions of what happens. And in 697 00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:55,139 copyright law, which I would say is popularly epitomized - since in United 698 00:58:55,139 --> 00:58:59,789 States copyright law, you have an ability to do that. You know, rest in 699 00:58:59,789 --> 00:59:04,979 peace for Joe Ablow. Like, would talk about his 3% rule where he would take an 700 00:59:04,979 --> 00:59:12,449 existing thing, modify 3%, and create something new. Incredible, right? One of 701 00:59:12,449 --> 00:59:16,769 the great artists of our generations, in so many ways, that affected popular 702 00:59:16,769 --> 00:59:22,919 culture, that affected art, that affected so many things through that taking something 703 00:59:22,919 --> 00:59:27,719 that exists and modifying it. So I don't know. I think that's the epitome 704 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:33,629 of open source. I would say that WordPress' limitation is, before, that 705 00:59:33,629 --> 00:59:38,309 was basically all in the code and language realm. It was all about the 706 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:41,879 plugins, the themes - a little bit of design, and the translations that were 707 00:59:41,879 --> 00:59:47,249 open source. If you had to define what's next for us, it's expanding through the 708 00:59:47,249 --> 00:59:51,959 Openverse, through things that are more content-driven: images, video, 709 00:59:51,959 --> 00:59:59,069 audio, art. I'm a photographer. My username is Photomatt. So I consider 710 00:59:59,399 --> 01:00:06,389 photographs to be art and I hope to put more and more of the art I create and 711 01:00:06,389 --> 01:00:11,039 hopefully others into that commons, so that is the basis for what generations 712 01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:16,719 create in the future. So, thank you so much. I appreciate the question. 713 01:00:22,339 --> 01:00:25,590 And with that, I think we might be - I mean, Josepha's coming up. 714 01:00:25,590 --> 01:00:28,407 I've got two notes for everyone, because I would, naturally. 715 01:00:28,407 --> 01:00:30,170 Number one, there were a lot of questions 716 01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:34,230 that were asked beforehand and also in the livestream chat that we 717 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:38,100 did not get to. But just like last year, we will have a blog post up where we can 718 01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:43,440 get those answered for you all. Don't worry. And my final, final thing, let's 719 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,040 have a round of applause for the folks who put this event together and for our 720 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,420 excellent slide makers.