WEBVTT 00:00:16.503 --> 00:00:19.650 KARA WALKER: The Psychlorama, you know, 00:00:19.650 --> 00:00:23.204 was a major phenomenon in the 19th century, 00:00:25.040 --> 00:00:27.404 but it's just before cinema, you know. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:29.960 It's round. 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.865 So you enter into this rotunda that's lit. 00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:44.720 It's like the peak of the painter's  creative enterprise, you know, 00:00:44.720 --> 00:00:47.800 to make the painting surround the viewer 00:00:47.800 --> 00:00:52.280 and to create the illusion of depth and of space 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:58.484 and to lure the viewer into the  feeling of being a part of the scene. 00:01:21.156 --> 00:01:25.468 [Brazilian teacher]: Is there  only one story being told here? 00:01:26.835 --> 00:01:29.616 It seems each figure comprises a story. 00:01:30.279 --> 00:01:33.816 At the same time, we’re in a round room? 00:01:35.401 --> 00:01:39.830 Does the story have a beginning or end? 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.640 Most of my work is, the illusion  is that it’s about past events. 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:53.000 The illusion is that it’s simply about a  particular point in history and nothing else. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.640 And it’s really part of the  ruse that I tend to like to 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:03.840 approach the complexities of my  own life by distancing myself 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.160 and finding a parallel in something prettier 00:02:07.160 --> 00:02:09.200 and more uh, genteel, 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:12.507 like that picture of the Old  South that’s a stereotype. 00:02:19.200 --> 00:02:21.160 I had started to read the book Gone With the Wind 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:25.200 and was thrilled, with how, you know, 00:02:25.200 --> 00:02:27.280 engrossing that story was, 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.840 and how grotesque it was at the same time… 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.320 the romance of it, the storytelling, 00:02:35.320 --> 00:02:39.800 it was so rich and epic and  that was what I hadn't expected. 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.400 I hadn't expected to be titillated  in the way that, you know, 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.628 stories like that are meant to titillate. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:52.535 It was so much fodder for  the work that I wanted to do. 00:02:57.880 --> 00:03:00.480 The distressing part was always being caught up 00:03:00.480 --> 00:03:03.075 in the voice of the heroine, Scarlet O'Hara. 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.840 Scarlet, in her desperation is, you know, 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.760 digging up dried-up roots and  tubers down by the slaves’ quarters 00:03:11.760 --> 00:03:15.000 and she's overcome by a "niggery" scent? 00:03:16.104 --> 00:03:17.674 and vomits? 00:03:19.640 --> 00:03:22.880 And it's scenes like that, that you know, 00:03:22.880 --> 00:03:29.640 might go washed over by the sort of  vast, epic structure of the story, 00:03:29.640 --> 00:03:31.469 but that is an epic moment. 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:43.000 A lot of my work has been about the unexpected… 00:03:44.701 --> 00:03:46.640 that kind of wanting to be the heroine 00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:50.373 and yet wanting to kill the  heroine at the same time. 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.600 And, that kind of dilemma, that push and pull, 00:04:00.600 --> 00:04:07.801 is the underlying turbulence that I  bring to each of the pieces that I make. 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:18.560 The silhouette lends itself to, you know, 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.534 avoidance of the subject, you know,  not being able to look at it directly. 00:04:30.200 --> 00:04:34.720 My earliest memory of uh, wanting to be an artist– 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.440 uh, I was three, I was sitting on my dad’s lap 00:04:38.440 --> 00:04:40.920 and he was drawing in his studio 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:45.200 which was the garage of our  house in Stockton, California. 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:47.720 And I remember thinking to myself that I, 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:49.408 I wanted to do what he did. 00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:54.200 And he used to give me chalk  to draw on the sidewalk, 00:04:54.200 --> 00:04:58.734 and you know he would you  know document my creations. 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:06.240 When we moved from California to Georgia, 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.119 I know that I was having nightmares  about moving to the South. 00:05:10.760 --> 00:05:14.480 You know, the South already  was a place loaded with, 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:19.361 like I said, mythology, but also a  reality of, you know, viciousness. 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.720 It was just such a frightening prospect, 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.400 to be sort of borderline  between child and teenager 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:33.935 and going into an environment where  black kids are being targeted. 00:05:41.200 --> 00:05:45.845 Stone Mountain, Georgia is where  I did most of my growing up. 00:05:46.640 --> 00:05:50.973 It’s like a Mount Rushmore type of  thing, of the confederate heroes. 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:55.800 That is pretty significant. 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.640 Stone Mountain was a haven for the Ku Klux Klan. 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.781 So that place had a little bit more resonance. 00:06:07.930 --> 00:06:09.440 It was just so in your face. 00:06:09.440 --> 00:06:11.658 There was no real hiding the fact. 00:06:14.640 --> 00:06:19.640 You know, what black stands for in white America, 00:06:19.640 --> 00:06:23.280 what white stands for in white  America are all loaded with 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:29.560 our deepest psychological  perversions and fears and longings. 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.240 Most of the pieces, I guess, have  to do with exchanges of power, 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.729 attempts to steal power away from others. 00:06:51.400 --> 00:06:53.680 I was tracing outlines of… 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.196 of profiles you know thinking about uh, uh, 00:06:56.196 --> 00:07:01.800 uh, physiognomy and racist sciences and minstrelsy 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.400 and the shadow and, and the dark side of the soul. 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:10.000 And and I thought well you  know I’ve got black paper here 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.240 and I was making silhouette paintings  but they weren’t the same thing. 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.920 And, and it seemed like the most obvious answer, 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:19.800 it took me forever to come to, just, 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:24.800 just to make a cut in the  surface of this black thing. 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.720 You know I had this black paper  and if I just made a cut in it, 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:33.680 I was creating a hole, you know and it was  like the whole world was in there for me. 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:50.280 I've always been interested in the melodramatic, 00:07:50.280 --> 00:07:55.760 in outrageous gestures. I love history paintings… 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.160 this artistic, painterly conceit, 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.520 which is to make a painting a stage, 00:08:02.520 --> 00:08:07.600 and to think of your characters,  your portraits or whomever, 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.527 as characters on that stage… 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:21.840 and to freeze-frame a moment  that is full of pain and blood 00:08:21.840 --> 00:08:24.112 and guts and drama and glory. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.781 This work is two parts research  and one part paranoid hysteria. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.440 It’s called “INSURRECTION. 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.524 Our tools were rudimentary, yet we pressed on”… 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.240 an image of a slave revolt  in the antebellum south uh, 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.840 where the house slaves got after their master 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.000 with their utensils of every day life 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.120 and really it started with a sketch of, 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:02.805 of a series of slaves disemboweling  a master with a soup ladle. 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:10.645 My reference in my mind was the surgical  theater paintings of Thomas Eakins. 00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:15.840 Overhead projectors created a space where 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:21.200 the viewer’s shadow would also  be projected into the scene 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.406 so that maybe they would  you know, become implicated. 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.800 Overhead projectors are a didactic tool, 00:09:36.800 --> 00:09:39.640 they’re a schoolroom tool, so they’re about, 00:09:39.640 --> 00:09:42.936 I mean in my thinking they’re  about conveying facts. 00:09:44.040 --> 00:09:49.446 The work that I do is about  projecting fictions into those facts. 00:10:10.680 --> 00:10:17.480 I began to love the kind of self-promotion  surrounding the work of the silhouette artist. 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:18.640 You know they would have to uh, 00:10:18.640 --> 00:10:22.480 show up in different towns  and advertise their skills 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.360 and sometimes very overblown language  describing their incredible skills, 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:29.433 you know able to cut you know in, in uh, 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.160 less than a minute you know, ten  seconds for your, your sitting, 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:38.600 for your likeness, accurate likenesses. 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.472 And I also begun to question this  whole idea of accurate likenesses. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.309 The work takes on this narrative structure, 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:56.308 creates all the elements of the  story and I just need the viewer, 00:10:57.943 --> 00:11:04.000 like an author needs a reader, you know, to  fill-in the rest of the tension of the story. 00:11:19.137 --> 00:11:24.214 This is a book I made in 1997,  called “Freedom: A Fable. 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:29.240 A Curious Interpretation of the Wit  of a Negress in Troubled Times.” 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:38.400 The negress, as a term that I apply to myself, 00:11:38.400 --> 00:11:41.360 is a real and artificial construct. 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:47.948 Everything I'm doing is trying to skirt  the line between fiction and reality. 00:11:53.920 --> 00:11:58.080 It’s not just an examination of  race relations in America today. 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:59.480 I mean, that's a part of it. 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.640 It's a part of being an  African American woman artist, 00:12:01.640 --> 00:12:07.480 but it's about how do you make  representations of your world, 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.701 given what you've been given?