1 00:00:16,503 --> 00:00:19,650 KARA WALKER: The Psychlorama, you know, 2 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:23,204 was a major phenomenon in the 19th century, 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,404 but it's just before cinema, you know. 4 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:29,960 It's round. 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,865 So you enter into this rotunda that's lit. 6 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:44,720 It's like the peak of the painter's  creative enterprise, you know, 7 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,800 to make the painting surround the viewer 8 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,280 and to create the illusion of depth and of space 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,484 and to lure the viewer into the  feeling of being a part of the scene. 10 00:01:21,156 --> 00:01:25,468 [Brazilian teacher]: Is there  only one story being told here? 11 00:01:26,835 --> 00:01:29,616 It seems each figure comprises a story. 12 00:01:30,279 --> 00:01:33,816 At the same time, we’re in a round room? 13 00:01:35,401 --> 00:01:39,830 Does the story have a beginning or end? 14 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Most of my work is, the illusion  is that it’s about past events. 15 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,000 The illusion is that it’s simply about a  particular point in history and nothing else. 16 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,640 And it’s really part of the  ruse that I tend to like to 17 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:03,840 approach the complexities of my  own life by distancing myself 18 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,160 and finding a parallel in something prettier 19 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,200 and more uh, genteel, 20 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,507 like that picture of the Old  South that’s a stereotype. 21 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,160 I had started to read the book Gone With the Wind 22 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,200 and was thrilled, with how, you know, 23 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,280 engrossing that story was, 24 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,840 and how grotesque it was at the same time… 25 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,320 the romance of it, the storytelling, 26 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,800 it was so rich and epic and  that was what I hadn't expected. 27 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,400 I hadn't expected to be titillated  in the way that, you know, 28 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,628 stories like that are meant to titillate. 29 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,535 It was so much fodder for  the work that I wanted to do. 30 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,480 The distressing part was always being caught up 31 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,075 in the voice of the heroine, Scarlet O'Hara. 32 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Scarlet, in her desperation is, you know, 33 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,760 digging up dried-up roots and  tubers down by the slaves’ quarters 34 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,000 and she's overcome by a "niggery" scent? 35 00:03:16,104 --> 00:03:17,674 and vomits? 36 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,880 And it's scenes like that, that you know, 37 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,640 might go washed over by the sort of  vast, epic structure of the story, 38 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:31,469 but that is an epic moment. 39 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,000 A lot of my work has been about the unexpected… 40 00:03:44,701 --> 00:03:46,640 that kind of wanting to be the heroine 41 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,373 and yet wanting to kill the  heroine at the same time. 42 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,600 And, that kind of dilemma, that push and pull, 43 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,801 is the underlying turbulence that I  bring to each of the pieces that I make. 44 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,560 The silhouette lends itself to, you know, 45 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,534 avoidance of the subject, you know,  not being able to look at it directly. 46 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,720 My earliest memory of uh, wanting to be an artist– 47 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,440 uh, I was three, I was sitting on my dad’s lap 48 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,920 and he was drawing in his studio 49 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,200 which was the garage of our  house in Stockton, California. 50 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,720 And I remember thinking to myself that I, 51 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,408 I wanted to do what he did. 52 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,200 And he used to give me chalk  to draw on the sidewalk, 53 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,734 and you know he would you  know document my creations. 54 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,240 When we moved from California to Georgia, 55 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,119 I know that I was having nightmares  about moving to the South. 56 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,480 You know, the South already  was a place loaded with, 57 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,361 like I said, mythology, but also a  reality of, you know, viciousness. 58 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,720 It was just such a frightening prospect, 59 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,400 to be sort of borderline  between child and teenager 60 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,935 and going into an environment where  black kids are being targeted. 61 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,845 Stone Mountain, Georgia is where  I did most of my growing up. 62 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,973 It’s like a Mount Rushmore type of  thing, of the confederate heroes. 63 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,800 That is pretty significant. 64 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Stone Mountain was a haven for the Ku Klux Klan. 65 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,781 So that place had a little bit more resonance. 66 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:09,440 It was just so in your face. 67 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,658 There was no real hiding the fact. 68 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,640 You know, what black stands for in white America, 69 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,280 what white stands for in white  America are all loaded with 70 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:29,560 our deepest psychological  perversions and fears and longings. 71 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Most of the pieces, I guess, have  to do with exchanges of power, 72 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,729 attempts to steal power away from others. 73 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,680 I was tracing outlines of… 74 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,196 of profiles you know thinking about uh, uh, 75 00:06:56,196 --> 00:07:01,800 uh, physiognomy and racist sciences and minstrelsy 76 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,400 and the shadow and, and the dark side of the soul. 77 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,000 And and I thought well you  know I’ve got black paper here 78 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,240 and I was making silhouette paintings  but they weren’t the same thing. 79 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,920 And, and it seemed like the most obvious answer, 80 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,800 it took me forever to come to, just, 81 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,800 just to make a cut in the  surface of this black thing. 82 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,720 You know I had this black paper  and if I just made a cut in it, 83 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,680 I was creating a hole, you know and it was  like the whole world was in there for me. 84 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,280 I've always been interested in the melodramatic, 85 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,760 in outrageous gestures. I love history paintings… 86 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 this artistic, painterly conceit, 87 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 which is to make a painting a stage, 88 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,600 and to think of your characters,  your portraits or whomever, 89 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,527 as characters on that stage… 90 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:21,840 and to freeze-frame a moment  that is full of pain and blood 91 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,112 and guts and drama and glory. 92 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,781 This work is two parts research  and one part paranoid hysteria. 93 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,440 It’s called “INSURRECTION. 94 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,524 Our tools were rudimentary, yet we pressed on”… 95 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,240 an image of a slave revolt  in the antebellum south uh, 96 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,840 where the house slaves got after their master 97 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,000 with their utensils of every day life 98 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,120 and really it started with a sketch of, 99 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,805 of a series of slaves disemboweling  a master with a soup ladle. 100 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:10,645 My reference in my mind was the surgical  theater paintings of Thomas Eakins. 101 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Overhead projectors created a space where 102 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:21,200 the viewer’s shadow would also  be projected into the scene 103 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,406 so that maybe they would  you know, become implicated. 104 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Overhead projectors are a didactic tool, 105 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,640 they’re a schoolroom tool, so they’re about, 106 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,936 I mean in my thinking they’re  about conveying facts. 107 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,446 The work that I do is about  projecting fictions into those facts. 108 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:17,480 I began to love the kind of self-promotion  surrounding the work of the silhouette artist. 109 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,640 You know they would have to uh, 110 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,480 show up in different towns  and advertise their skills 111 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,360 and sometimes very overblown language  describing their incredible skills, 112 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,433 you know able to cut you know in, in uh, 113 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,160 less than a minute you know, ten  seconds for your, your sitting, 114 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,600 for your likeness, accurate likenesses. 115 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,472 And I also begun to question this  whole idea of accurate likenesses. 116 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,309 The work takes on this narrative structure, 117 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,308 creates all the elements of the  story and I just need the viewer, 118 00:10:57,943 --> 00:11:04,000 like an author needs a reader, you know, to  fill-in the rest of the tension of the story. 119 00:11:19,137 --> 00:11:24,214 This is a book I made in 1997,  called “Freedom: A Fable. 120 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,240 A Curious Interpretation of the Wit  of a Negress in Troubled Times.” 121 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,400 The negress, as a term that I apply to myself, 122 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,360 is a real and artificial construct. 123 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,948 Everything I'm doing is trying to skirt  the line between fiction and reality. 124 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,080 It’s not just an examination of  race relations in America today. 125 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,480 I mean, that's a part of it. 126 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 It's a part of being an  African American woman artist, 127 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:07,480 but it's about how do you make  representations of your world, 128 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,701 given what you've been given?