1 00:00:14,951 --> 00:00:19,378 My brother Chuks and my best friend Ike are part of the organizing team, 2 00:00:19,378 --> 00:00:23,088 so when they ask me to come, I couldn't say no. 3 00:00:23,626 --> 00:00:24,859 But I'm so happy to be here. 4 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:27,418 What a fantastic team of people who care about Africa 5 00:00:27,418 --> 00:00:29,948 I feel so humble and so happy to be here. 6 00:00:29,948 --> 00:00:33,647 And I'm also told that the most beautiful, 7 00:00:33,647 --> 00:00:36,771 most amazing little girl in the world is in the audience 8 00:00:36,771 --> 00:00:38,399 her name is Kamzia Adichie 9 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:41,533 and I want her to stand up... she's my niece! 10 00:00:41,533 --> 00:00:46,691 (Applause) 11 00:00:51,123 --> 00:00:57,485 So, I would like to start by telling you one of my greatest friend, Okuloma. 12 00:00:57,485 --> 00:00:59,217 Okuloma lived on my street 13 00:00:59,217 --> 00:01:01,596 and looked after me like a big brother. 14 00:01:01,596 --> 00:01:06,061 If I liked a boy, I would ask Okuloma's opinion. 15 00:01:06,061 --> 00:01:09,318 Okuloma died in the notorious Sosoliso Plane Crash 16 00:01:09,318 --> 00:01:12,575 in Nigeria in December of 2005. 17 00:01:12,575 --> 00:01:15,832 Almost exactly seven years ago. 18 00:01:16,063 --> 00:01:21,591 Okuloma was a person I could argue with, laugh with, and truly talk to. 19 00:01:21,591 --> 00:01:25,078 He was also the first person to call me a feminist. 20 00:01:25,802 --> 00:01:29,161 I was about fourteen, we were at his house, arguing. 21 00:01:29,161 --> 00:01:33,165 Both of us bristling with half bit knowledge from books we had read. 22 00:01:33,165 --> 00:01:36,690 I don't remember what this particular argument was about, 23 00:01:36,690 --> 00:01:39,589 but I remember that as I argued and argued, 24 00:01:39,589 --> 00:01:43,988 Okuloma looked at me and said, "You know, you're a feminist." 25 00:01:43,988 --> 00:01:46,394 It was not a compliment. 26 00:01:46,856 --> 00:01:50,420 I could tell from his tone, the same tone that you would use to say something like 27 00:01:50,420 --> 00:01:53,165 "You're a supporter of terrorism." 28 00:01:53,165 --> 00:01:55,415 (Laughter) 29 00:01:55,415 --> 00:01:59,245 I did not know exactly what this word "feminist" meant, 30 00:01:59,245 --> 00:02:02,178 and I did not want Okuloma to know that I did not know, 31 00:02:02,178 --> 00:02:04,920 so I brushed it aside and I continued to argue. 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,623 And the first thing I planned to do when I got home 33 00:02:07,623 --> 00:02:10,650 was to look up the word "feminist" in the dictionary. 34 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:14,956 Now fast forward to some years later, I wrote a novel 35 00:02:15,002 --> 00:02:17,561 about a man who among other things beats his wife 36 00:02:17,561 --> 00:02:20,120 and whose story doesn't end very well. 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,681 While I was promoting the novel in Nigeria, 38 00:02:22,681 --> 00:02:28,590 a journalist, a nice well-meaning man, told me he wanted to advise me. 39 00:02:29,405 --> 00:02:32,883 And for the Nigerians here, I'm sure we're all familiar with 40 00:02:32,883 --> 00:02:38,360 how quick our people are to give unsolicited advice. 41 00:02:39,436 --> 00:02:43,237 He told me that people were saying that my novel was feminist 42 00:02:43,237 --> 00:02:45,116 and his advice to me -- 43 00:02:45,116 --> 00:02:47,519 and he was shaking his head sadly as he spoke -- 44 00:02:47,519 --> 00:02:50,584 was that I should never call myself a feminist because 45 00:02:50,584 --> 00:02:54,916 feminists are women who are unhappy because they cannot find husbands. 46 00:02:54,934 --> 00:02:58,568 (Laughter) 47 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:02,561 So I decided to call myself "a happy feminist." 48 00:03:03,299 --> 00:03:05,993 Then an academic, a Nigerian woman told me 49 00:03:05,993 --> 00:03:08,843 that feminism was not our culture and that feminism wasn't African, 50 00:03:08,843 --> 00:03:11,139 and that I was calling myself a feminist 51 00:03:11,139 --> 00:03:14,125 because I had been corrupted by "Western books." 52 00:03:14,125 --> 00:03:17,257 Which amused me, because a lot of my early readings 53 00:03:17,257 --> 00:03:19,173 were decidedly unfeminist. 54 00:03:19,173 --> 00:03:21,767 I think I must have read every single Mills & Boon romance 55 00:03:21,767 --> 00:03:24,169 published before I was sixteen. 56 00:03:24,169 --> 00:03:26,384 And each time I tried to read those books 57 00:03:26,384 --> 00:03:28,599 called "the feminist classics" I'd get bored 58 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,816 and I really struggled to finish them. 59 00:03:30,816 --> 00:03:33,057 But anyway, since feminism was un-African, 60 00:03:33,057 --> 00:03:37,390 I decided that I would now call myself "a happy African feminist." 61 00:03:37,974 --> 00:03:42,241 At some point I was a happy African feminist who does not hate men 62 00:03:42,241 --> 00:03:43,895 and who likes lip gloss 63 00:03:43,895 --> 00:03:47,387 and who wears high-heels for herself but not for men. 64 00:03:48,065 --> 00:03:50,398 Of course a lot of these was tongue-in-cheek, 65 00:03:50,398 --> 00:03:54,741 but that were feminists so heavy with baggage, negative baggage. 66 00:03:55,004 --> 00:03:56,652 You hate men, you hate bras, 67 00:03:56,652 --> 00:03:59,847 you hate African culture, that sort of thing. 68 00:04:00,463 --> 00:04:02,834 Now here's a story from my childhood. 69 00:04:03,081 --> 00:04:04,581 When I was in primary school, 70 00:04:04,581 --> 00:04:09,016 my teacher said at the beginning of term that she would give the class a test 71 00:04:09,339 --> 00:04:12,519 and whoever got the highest score would be the class monitor. 72 00:04:12,519 --> 00:04:15,174 Now, class monitor was a big deal. 73 00:04:15,174 --> 00:04:17,588 If you were a class monitor, 74 00:04:17,588 --> 00:04:20,881 you got to write down the names of noise makers, 75 00:04:21,497 --> 00:04:24,456 which was having enough power of its own. 76 00:04:24,456 --> 00:04:29,234 But my teacher would also give you a cane to hold in your hand 77 00:04:29,234 --> 00:04:33,251 while you walk around and patrol the class for noise makers. 78 00:04:33,251 --> 00:04:36,639 Now of course you're not actually allowed to use the cane. 79 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:40,557 But it was an exciting prospect for the nine-year-old me. 80 00:04:40,557 --> 00:04:43,458 I very much wanted to be the class monitor. 81 00:04:43,458 --> 00:04:45,675 And I got the highest score on the test. 82 00:04:45,891 --> 00:04:49,613 Then, to my surprise, my teacher said that the monitor had to be a boy. 83 00:04:50,243 --> 00:04:54,116 She've forgotten to make that clear earlier because she assumed it was... obvious. 84 00:04:54,146 --> 00:04:56,669 (Laughter) 85 00:04:56,669 --> 00:04:59,884 A boy had the second highest score on the test 86 00:04:59,884 --> 00:05:02,415 and he would be monitor. 87 00:05:02,661 --> 00:05:05,256 Now what was even more interesting about this 88 00:05:05,256 --> 00:05:08,437 is that the boy was a sweet, gentle soul 89 00:05:08,437 --> 00:05:12,017 who had no interest in patrolling the class with the cane, 90 00:05:12,109 --> 00:05:15,565 while I was full of ambition to do so. 91 00:05:16,581 --> 00:05:18,900 But I was female, and he was male 92 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:21,349 and so he became the class monitor. 93 00:05:21,441 --> 00:05:24,187 And I've never forgotten that incident. 94 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:26,986 I often make the mistake of thinking that 95 00:05:26,986 --> 00:05:29,662 something that is obvious to me is just as obvious to everyone else. 96 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:32,340 Now, take my dear friend Louis for example. 97 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:34,407 Louis is a brilliant, progressive man, 98 00:05:34,407 --> 00:05:36,851 and we would have conversations and he would tell me, 99 00:05:36,851 --> 00:05:41,198 "I don't know what you mean by things being different or harder for women. 100 00:05:41,198 --> 00:05:43,618 Maybe in the past, but not now." 101 00:05:43,645 --> 00:05:48,224 And I didn't understand how Louis could not see what seems so self-evident. 102 00:05:48,362 --> 00:05:52,301 Then one evening, in Lagos, Louis and I went out with friends. 103 00:05:52,301 --> 00:05:54,828 And for people here who are not familiar with Lagos, 104 00:05:54,828 --> 00:05:57,155 there's that wonderful Lagos' fixture, 105 00:05:57,155 --> 00:06:01,638 the sprinkling of energetic man who hung around outside establishments 106 00:06:01,638 --> 00:06:05,243 and very dramatically "help" you park your car. 107 00:06:06,043 --> 00:06:09,337 I was impressed with the particular theatrics 108 00:06:09,337 --> 00:06:12,631 of the man who found us a parking spot that evening, 109 00:06:12,631 --> 00:06:15,927 and so as we were leaving, I decided to leave him a tip. 110 00:06:16,495 --> 00:06:18,173 I opened my bag, 111 00:06:18,173 --> 00:06:19,859 put my hand inside my bag, 112 00:06:19,859 --> 00:06:22,677 brought out my money that I had earned from doing my work, 113 00:06:22,677 --> 00:06:25,439 and I gave it to the man. 114 00:06:25,977 --> 00:06:27,117 And he, 115 00:06:27,117 --> 00:06:30,323 this man who was very grateful, and very happy, 116 00:06:30,323 --> 00:06:32,345 took the money from me, 117 00:06:32,345 --> 00:06:34,123 looked across at Louis, 118 00:06:34,123 --> 00:06:36,094 and said "Thank you, sir!" 119 00:06:36,094 --> 00:06:41,441 (Laughter) 120 00:06:41,441 --> 00:06:45,100 Louis looked at me, surprised, and asked 121 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:48,969 "Why is he thanking me? I didn't give him the money." 122 00:06:48,969 --> 00:06:52,838 Then I saw realization dawned on Louis' face. 123 00:06:52,838 --> 00:06:55,945 The man believed that whatever money I had 124 00:06:55,945 --> 00:06:59,682 had ultimately come from Louis. 125 00:06:59,928 --> 00:07:02,159 Because Louis is a man. 126 00:07:02,805 --> 00:07:04,750 The men and women are different. 127 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:07,244 We have different hormones, we have different sexual organs, 128 00:07:07,244 --> 00:07:10,199 we have different biological abilities, 129 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:13,015 women can have babies, men can't. 130 00:07:13,015 --> 00:07:14,772 At least not yet. 131 00:07:15,727 --> 00:07:20,382 Men have testosterone and are in general physically stronger than women. 132 00:07:20,644 --> 00:07:24,020 There's slightly more women than men in the world, 133 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:26,888 about 52% of the world's population is female. 134 00:07:26,888 --> 00:07:30,772 But most of the positions of power and prestige are occupied by men. 135 00:07:30,772 --> 00:07:34,336 The late Kenyan Nobel Peace Laureate, 136 00:07:34,351 --> 00:07:37,458 Wangari Maathai, put it simply and well when she said: 137 00:07:37,458 --> 00:07:41,161 "The higher you go, the fewer women there are." 138 00:07:41,823 --> 00:07:46,269 In the recent US elections we kept hearing of the Lilly Ledbetter law, 139 00:07:46,269 --> 00:07:49,917 and if we go beyond the nicely alliterative name of that law, 140 00:07:49,917 --> 00:07:52,736 it was really about a man and a woman 141 00:07:52,736 --> 00:07:55,555 doing the same job being equally qualified 142 00:07:55,555 --> 00:07:58,374 and the man being paid more because he's a man. 143 00:07:58,374 --> 00:08:01,458 So in the literal way, men rule the world, 144 00:08:01,458 --> 00:08:04,705 and this made sense a thousand years ago 145 00:08:04,705 --> 00:08:08,168 because human beings lived then in a world 146 00:08:08,168 --> 00:08:12,348 in which physical strength was the most important attribute for survival. 147 00:08:12,348 --> 00:08:17,026 The physically stronger person was more likely to lead, 148 00:08:17,396 --> 00:08:20,533 and men, in general, are physically stronger. 149 00:08:20,533 --> 00:08:23,366 Of course there are many exceptions. 150 00:08:23,366 --> 00:08:27,332 But today we live in a vastly different world. 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,150 The person more likely to lead is not the physically stronger person, 152 00:08:32,150 --> 00:08:35,786 it is the more creative person, the more intelligent person, 153 00:08:35,786 --> 00:08:37,822 the more innovative person, 154 00:08:37,822 --> 00:08:40,659 and there are no hormones for those attributes. 155 00:08:40,659 --> 00:08:43,739 A man is as likely as a woman to be intelligent, 156 00:08:43,739 --> 00:08:46,789 to be creative, to be innovative. 157 00:08:46,789 --> 00:08:51,149 We have evolved; but it seems to me that our ideas of gender had not evolved. 158 00:08:51,149 --> 00:08:56,068 Some weeks ago I walked into a lobby of one of the best Nigerian hotels. 159 00:08:56,068 --> 00:08:58,924 I thought about naming the hotel, but I thought I probably shouldn't, 160 00:08:58,924 --> 00:09:02,981 and a guard at the entrance stopped me and ask me annoying questions, 161 00:09:04,106 --> 00:09:07,228 because their automatic assumption is that a Nigerian female 162 00:09:07,228 --> 00:09:10,813 walking into a hotel alone is a sex worker. 163 00:09:10,813 --> 00:09:12,180 And by the way, 164 00:09:12,180 --> 00:09:14,666 why do these hotels focus on 165 00:09:14,666 --> 00:09:19,283 the ostensible supply rather than the demand for sex workers? 166 00:09:19,822 --> 00:09:25,046 In Lagos I cannot go alone into many "reputable" bars and clubs. 167 00:09:25,046 --> 00:09:27,251 They just don't let you in if you're a woman alone, 168 00:09:27,251 --> 00:09:29,504 you have to be accompanied by a man. 169 00:09:29,890 --> 00:09:32,604 Each time I walk into a Nigerian restaurant with a man, 170 00:09:32,604 --> 00:09:35,638 the waiter greets the man and ignores me. 171 00:09:36,438 --> 00:09:39,093 The waiters are products... 172 00:09:39,293 --> 00:09:41,944 at this some women felt like "Yes! I thought that!" 173 00:09:41,944 --> 00:09:44,563 The waiters are products of a society that 174 00:09:44,563 --> 00:09:48,272 has taught them that men are more important than women. 175 00:09:48,272 --> 00:09:51,282 And I know that waiters don't intend any harm. 176 00:09:51,282 --> 00:09:55,410 But it's one thing to know intellectually and quite another to feel it emotionally. 177 00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:57,886 Each time they ignore me, I feel invisible. 178 00:09:57,886 --> 00:09:59,821 I feel upset. 179 00:10:00,037 --> 00:10:03,120 I want to tell them I'm just as human as the man, 180 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,358 that I'm just as worthy of acknowledgement. 181 00:10:06,541 --> 00:10:08,415 These are little things, 182 00:10:08,415 --> 00:10:11,369 but sometimes it's the little things that sting the most. 183 00:10:11,369 --> 00:10:14,145 And not long ago I wrote an article 184 00:10:14,145 --> 00:10:17,094 about what it means to be young and female in Lagos, 185 00:10:17,094 --> 00:10:20,794 and the printers told me "It was so angry." 186 00:10:21,086 --> 00:10:23,119 Of course it was angry! 187 00:10:23,119 --> 00:10:26,194 (Laughter) 188 00:10:27,069 --> 00:10:28,748 I am angry. 189 00:10:28,748 --> 00:10:31,870 Gender as it functions today is a grave injustice. 190 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:33,459 We should all be angry. 191 00:10:33,459 --> 00:10:37,190 Anger has a long history of bringing about positive change; 192 00:10:37,190 --> 00:10:40,416 but, in addition to being angry, I'm also hopeful. 193 00:10:41,051 --> 00:10:43,846 Because I believe deeply in the ability of human beings 194 00:10:43,846 --> 00:10:46,661 to make and remake themselves for the better. 195 00:10:46,661 --> 00:10:48,910 Gender matters everywhere in the world, 196 00:10:48,910 --> 00:10:53,052 but I want to focus on Nigeria and on Africa in general, 197 00:10:53,052 --> 00:10:55,010 because it is where I know, 198 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:56,849 and because it is where my heart is. 199 00:10:56,849 --> 00:10:58,712 And I would like today to ask 200 00:10:58,712 --> 00:11:02,459 that we begin to dream about and plan for 201 00:11:02,459 --> 00:11:06,261 a different world, a fairer world; 202 00:11:06,261 --> 00:11:08,948 a world of happier men and happier women 203 00:11:08,948 --> 00:11:11,113 who are truer to themselves. 204 00:11:11,113 --> 00:11:12,848 And this is how to start: 205 00:11:12,848 --> 00:11:14,949 we must raise our daughters differently. 206 00:11:14,949 --> 00:11:17,833 We must also raise our sons differently. 207 00:11:18,294 --> 00:11:21,419 We do a great disservice to boys on how we raise them; 208 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:24,390 we stifle the humanity of boys. 209 00:11:24,775 --> 00:11:27,490 We define masculinity in a very narrow way, 210 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:30,477 masculinity becomes this hard, small cage 211 00:11:30,477 --> 00:11:33,230 and we put boys inside the cage. 212 00:11:33,230 --> 00:11:36,097 We teach boys to be afraid of fear. 213 00:11:36,097 --> 00:11:40,388 We teach boys to be afraid of weakness, of vulnerability. 214 00:11:40,526 --> 00:11:42,758 We teach them to mask their true selves, 215 00:11:42,758 --> 00:11:47,659 because they have to be, in Nigerian speak, "hard man!" 216 00:11:48,626 --> 00:11:52,631 In secondary school, a boy and a girl, both of them teenagers, 217 00:11:52,631 --> 00:11:55,222 both of them with the same amount of pocket money, 218 00:11:55,222 --> 00:11:58,521 would go out and then the boy would be expected always 219 00:11:58,521 --> 00:12:01,752 to pay, to prove his masculinity. 220 00:12:02,436 --> 00:12:05,158 And yet we wonder why boys are more likely to steal money 221 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:07,399 from their parents. 222 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,602 What if both boys and girls were raised 223 00:12:10,602 --> 00:12:14,175 not to link masculinity with money? 224 00:12:14,175 --> 00:12:17,748 What if the attitude was not "the boy has to pay" 225 00:12:17,748 --> 00:12:21,041 but rather "whoever has more should pay"? 226 00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:23,804 Now of course because of that historical advantage, 227 00:12:23,804 --> 00:12:25,997 it is mostly men who will have more today, 228 00:12:25,997 --> 00:12:28,192 but if we start raising children differently, 229 00:12:28,192 --> 00:12:30,561 then in fifty years, in a hundred years, 230 00:12:30,561 --> 00:12:35,455 boys will no longer have the pressure of having to prove this masculinity. 231 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:39,025 But by far the worst thing we do to males, 232 00:12:39,025 --> 00:12:41,335 by making them feel that they have to be hard, 233 00:12:41,335 --> 00:12:45,167 is that we leave them with very fragile egos. 234 00:12:45,275 --> 00:12:49,467 The more "hard-man" the man feels compelled to be, 235 00:12:49,637 --> 00:12:51,742 the weaker his ego is. 236 00:12:53,128 --> 00:12:56,096 And then we do a much greater disservice to girls 237 00:12:56,096 --> 00:12:59,953 because we raise them to cater to the fragile egos of men. 238 00:13:00,567 --> 00:13:04,068 We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller, 239 00:13:04,068 --> 00:13:05,867 we say to girls, 240 00:13:05,867 --> 00:13:09,284 "You can have ambition, but not too much." 241 00:13:09,284 --> 00:13:12,469 "You should aim to be successful, but not too successful, 242 00:13:12,469 --> 00:13:15,197 otherwise you would threaten the man." 243 00:13:15,197 --> 00:13:17,872 If you are the breadwinner in your relationship with a man, 244 00:13:17,872 --> 00:13:19,900 you have to pretend that you're not, 245 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:24,390 especially in public, otherwise you will emasculate him. 246 00:13:24,974 --> 00:13:27,541 But what if we question the premise itself, 247 00:13:27,541 --> 00:13:31,560 why should a woman's success be a threat to a man? 248 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,133 What if we decide to simply dispose of that word, 249 00:13:35,133 --> 00:13:40,488 and I don't think there's an English word I dislike more than "emasculation." 250 00:13:40,934 --> 00:13:44,464 A Nigerian acquaintance once asked me if I was worried that 251 00:13:44,464 --> 00:13:46,847 men would be intimidated by me. 252 00:13:46,847 --> 00:13:48,688 I was not worried at all. 253 00:13:48,688 --> 00:13:50,756 In fact it had not occurred to me to be worried because 254 00:13:50,756 --> 00:13:53,563 a man who would be intimidated by me 255 00:13:53,563 --> 00:13:57,549 is exactly the kind of man I would have no interest in. 256 00:13:57,549 --> 00:14:04,535 (Laughter) (Applause) 257 00:14:04,535 --> 00:14:07,741 But still I was really struck by this. 258 00:14:07,941 --> 00:14:12,542 Because I'm female, I'm expected to aspire to marriage; 259 00:14:12,542 --> 00:14:15,182 I'm expected to make my life choices always keeping in mind 260 00:14:15,182 --> 00:14:17,822 that marriage is the most important. 261 00:14:17,822 --> 00:14:20,464 A marriage can be a good thing; 262 00:14:20,464 --> 00:14:24,927 it can be a source of joy and love and mutual support. 263 00:14:24,927 --> 00:14:27,664 But why do we teach girls to aspire to marriage 264 00:14:27,664 --> 00:14:30,573 and we don't teach boys the same? 265 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,989 I know a woman who decided to sell her house 266 00:14:33,989 --> 00:14:37,483 because she didn't want to intimidate a man who might marry her. 267 00:14:38,222 --> 00:14:42,243 I know an unmarried woman in Nigeria who, when she goes to conferences, 268 00:14:42,243 --> 00:14:44,232 wears a wedding ring 269 00:14:44,232 --> 00:14:47,836 because according to her, she wants the other participants in the conference 270 00:14:47,836 --> 00:14:50,565 to "give her respect." 271 00:14:50,565 --> 00:14:53,350 I know young women who are under so much pressure 272 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:56,505 from family, from friends, even from work to get married 273 00:14:56,505 --> 00:14:59,477 and they're pushed to make terrible choices. 274 00:14:59,477 --> 00:15:02,134 A woman at a certain age who is unmarried, 275 00:15:02,134 --> 00:15:06,946 our society teaches her to see it as a deep, personal failure. 276 00:15:06,946 --> 00:15:10,366 And a man at a certain age who is unmarried 277 00:15:10,366 --> 00:15:12,872 we just think he hasn't come around to making his pick. 278 00:15:12,872 --> 00:15:14,598 (Laughter) 279 00:15:14,598 --> 00:15:16,716 It's easy for us to say, 280 00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:18,956 "Oh but women can just say no to all of this", 281 00:15:18,956 --> 00:15:21,445 But the reality is more difficult and more complex. 282 00:15:21,445 --> 00:15:23,156 We're all social beings. 283 00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:25,624 We internalize ideas from our socialization. 284 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:28,479 Even the language we use 285 00:15:28,479 --> 00:15:31,334 in talking about marriage and relationships illustrates this. 286 00:15:31,334 --> 00:15:34,189 The language of marriage is often the language of ownership 287 00:15:34,189 --> 00:15:36,690 rather than the language of partnership. 288 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:39,737 We use the word "respect" 289 00:15:39,737 --> 00:15:42,784 to mean something a woman shows a man 290 00:15:42,784 --> 00:15:45,832 but often not something a man shows a woman. 291 00:15:46,170 --> 00:15:48,965 Both men and women in Nigeria will say - 292 00:15:48,965 --> 00:15:51,760 this is an expression I'm very amused by - 293 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,557 "I did it for peace in my marriage." 294 00:15:54,557 --> 00:15:56,772 Now when men say it, 295 00:15:56,772 --> 00:15:59,891 it is usually about something that they should not be doing anyway. 296 00:15:59,891 --> 00:16:01,730 (Laughter) 297 00:16:01,730 --> 00:16:04,209 Sometimes they say it to their friends, 298 00:16:04,209 --> 00:16:07,914 it's something to say to their friends in a kind of fondly exasperated way, 299 00:16:07,914 --> 00:16:10,813 you know, something that ultimately proves how masculine they are, 300 00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:12,760 how needed, how loved -- 301 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,709 "Oh my wife said I can't go to club every night, 302 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:18,450 so for peace in my marriage, I do it only on weekends." 303 00:16:18,450 --> 00:16:20,493 (Laughter) 304 00:16:20,493 --> 00:16:23,932 Now when a woman says, "I did it for peace in my marriage," 305 00:16:23,932 --> 00:16:27,327 she's usually talking about having giving up a job, 306 00:16:27,327 --> 00:16:28,918 a dream, 307 00:16:28,918 --> 00:16:30,852 a career. 308 00:16:30,852 --> 00:16:33,882 We teach females that in relationships, 309 00:16:33,882 --> 00:16:36,912 compromise is what women do. 310 00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:39,942 We raise girls to see each other as competitors 311 00:16:39,942 --> 00:16:43,230 not for job or for accomplishments, which I think could be a good thing, 312 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:45,440 but for attention of men. 313 00:16:46,085 --> 00:16:48,907 We teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings 314 00:16:48,907 --> 00:16:51,236 in the way that boys are. 315 00:16:51,236 --> 00:16:54,551 If we have sons, we don't mind knowing about our sons' girlfriends. 316 00:16:54,551 --> 00:16:56,855 But our daughters' boyfriends? God forbid. 317 00:16:56,875 --> 00:16:58,379 (Laughter) 318 00:16:58,379 --> 00:17:00,293 But of course when the time is right, 319 00:17:00,293 --> 00:17:04,064 we expect those girls to bring back the perfect man to be their husbands. 320 00:17:04,403 --> 00:17:05,873 We police girls, 321 00:17:05,873 --> 00:17:07,821 we praise girls for virginity, 322 00:17:07,821 --> 00:17:09,769 but we don't praise boys for virginity, 323 00:17:09,769 --> 00:17:12,994 and it's always made me wonder how exactly this is supposed to work out 324 00:17:12,994 --> 00:17:15,504 because... (Laughter) 325 00:17:15,766 --> 00:17:23,213 (Applause) 326 00:17:24,152 --> 00:17:28,867 I mean, the loss of virginity is usually a process that involves... 327 00:17:28,867 --> 00:17:30,754 Recently a young woman 328 00:17:30,754 --> 00:17:32,891 was gang raped in a University in Nigeria, 329 00:17:32,896 --> 00:17:34,730 I think some of us know about that. 330 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:36,666 And the response of many young Nigerians, 331 00:17:36,666 --> 00:17:38,098 both male and female, 332 00:17:38,098 --> 00:17:40,476 was something along the lines of this: 333 00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:42,974 "Yes, rape is wrong. 334 00:17:42,974 --> 00:17:47,019 But what is a girl doing in a room with four boys?" 335 00:17:47,019 --> 00:17:52,391 Now if we can forget the horrible inhumanity of that response, 336 00:17:52,391 --> 00:17:57,413 these Nigerians have been raised to think of women as inherently guilty, 337 00:17:57,736 --> 00:18:01,233 and have been raised to expect so little of men 338 00:18:01,233 --> 00:18:04,679 that the idea of men as savage beings without any control 339 00:18:04,679 --> 00:18:06,495 is somehow acceptable. 340 00:18:06,495 --> 00:18:09,127 We teach girls shame. 341 00:18:09,127 --> 00:18:11,603 "Close your legs", "Cover yourself". 342 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,981 We make them feel as though by being born female 343 00:18:13,981 --> 00:18:16,262 they're already guilty of something. 344 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,544 And so, girls grow up to be women 345 00:18:18,544 --> 00:18:20,746 who cannot see they have desire. 346 00:18:20,746 --> 00:18:24,442 They grow up to be women who silence themselves. 347 00:18:25,257 --> 00:18:28,516 They grow up to be women who cannot see what they truly think, 348 00:18:28,516 --> 00:18:30,016 and they grow up - 349 00:18:30,016 --> 00:18:32,250 and this is the worst thing we did to girls - 350 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:36,807 they grow up to be women who have turned pretense into an art form. 351 00:18:36,807 --> 00:18:42,762 (Applause) 352 00:18:42,762 --> 00:18:46,126 I know a woman who hates domestic work, 353 00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:47,479 she just hates it, 354 00:18:47,479 --> 00:18:49,789 but she pretends that she likes it, 355 00:18:50,435 --> 00:18:54,333 because she's been taught that to be "good wife material" 356 00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:58,857 she has to be -- to use that Nigerian word -- very "homely." 357 00:18:59,625 --> 00:19:00,883 And then she got married, 358 00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:02,865 and after a while her husband's family 359 00:19:02,865 --> 00:19:06,635 began to complain that she had changed. 360 00:19:06,635 --> 00:19:08,237 Actually she had not changed, 361 00:19:08,237 --> 00:19:10,396 she just got tired of pretending. 362 00:19:10,873 --> 00:19:13,342 The problem with gender, 363 00:19:13,342 --> 00:19:16,377 is that it prescribes how we should be 364 00:19:16,377 --> 00:19:19,195 rather than recognizing how we are. 365 00:19:19,802 --> 00:19:22,232 Now imagine how much happier we would be, 366 00:19:22,289 --> 00:19:25,557 how much freer to be our true individual selves, 367 00:19:25,557 --> 00:19:29,200 if we didn't have the weight of gender expectations. 368 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,133 Boys and girls are undeniably different biologically, 369 00:19:34,133 --> 00:19:37,191 but socialization exaggerates the differences 370 00:19:37,191 --> 00:19:39,685 and then it becomes a self-fulfilling process. 371 00:19:39,823 --> 00:19:42,171 Now take cooking for example. 372 00:19:42,171 --> 00:19:45,951 Today women in general are more likely to do the house work than men, 373 00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:47,302 the cooking and cleaning. 374 00:19:47,302 --> 00:19:48,874 But why is that? 375 00:19:48,874 --> 00:19:51,566 Is it because women are born with a cooking gene? 376 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:53,358 (Laughter) 377 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:56,951 Or because over years they have been socialized to see cooking as their rule? 378 00:19:57,443 --> 00:20:00,402 Actually I was going to say that maybe women are born with a cooking gene, 379 00:20:00,402 --> 00:20:04,390 until I remember that the majority of the famous cooks in the world, 380 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:06,647 whom we give the fancy title of "chefs," 381 00:20:06,647 --> 00:20:08,428 are men. 382 00:20:09,275 --> 00:20:10,857 I used to look up to my grandmother 383 00:20:10,857 --> 00:20:12,570 who was a brilliant, brilliant woman, 384 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:14,736 and wonder how she would have been 385 00:20:14,736 --> 00:20:18,365 if she had the same opportunity as men when she was growing up. 386 00:20:19,195 --> 00:20:21,724 Now today, there are many more opportunities for women 387 00:20:21,724 --> 00:20:23,775 than there were during my grandmother's time 388 00:20:23,775 --> 00:20:26,661 because of changes in policy, changes in law, 389 00:20:26,661 --> 00:20:28,466 all of which are very important. 390 00:20:28,466 --> 00:20:32,435 But what matters even more is our attitude, our mindset, 391 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:35,356 what we believe and what we value about gender. 392 00:20:36,063 --> 00:20:38,408 What if in raising children 393 00:20:38,408 --> 00:20:41,853 we focus on ability instead of gender? 394 00:20:41,853 --> 00:20:43,377 What if in raising children 395 00:20:43,377 --> 00:20:47,152 we focus on interest instead of gender? 396 00:20:47,152 --> 00:20:49,521 I know a family who have a son and a daughter, 397 00:20:49,521 --> 00:20:51,196 both of whom are brilliant at school, 398 00:20:51,196 --> 00:20:53,287 who are wonderful, lovely children. 399 00:20:53,287 --> 00:20:55,808 When the boy is hungry, the parents say to the girl 400 00:20:55,808 --> 00:20:58,962 "Go and cook Indomie noodles for your brother." 401 00:20:58,962 --> 00:21:02,821 Now the daughter doesn't particularly like to cook Indomie noodles, 402 00:21:02,821 --> 00:21:05,609 but she's a girl, and so she has to. 403 00:21:05,725 --> 00:21:07,196 Now, what if the parents, 404 00:21:07,196 --> 00:21:08,465 from the beginning, 405 00:21:08,465 --> 00:21:14,089 taught both the boy and the girl to cook Indomie? 406 00:21:14,089 --> 00:21:17,185 Cooking, by the way, is a very useful skill for boys to have. 407 00:21:17,185 --> 00:21:21,794 I've never thought it made sense to leave such a crucial thing, 408 00:21:21,794 --> 00:21:25,028 the ability to nourish oneself, 409 00:21:25,028 --> 00:21:27,316 in the hands of others. 410 00:21:27,316 --> 00:21:32,055 (Applause) 411 00:21:32,055 --> 00:21:35,845 I know a woman who has the same degree and the same job as her husband, 412 00:21:35,845 --> 00:21:38,576 when they get back from work she does most of the house work, 413 00:21:38,587 --> 00:21:40,972 which I think is true for many marriages, 414 00:21:40,972 --> 00:21:42,972 But what struck me about them was that 415 00:21:42,972 --> 00:21:45,539 whenever her husband changed the baby's diaper, 416 00:21:45,539 --> 00:21:48,446 she said "thank you" to him. 417 00:21:49,046 --> 00:21:53,750 Now what if she saw this as perfectly normal and natural 418 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:57,485 that he should, in fact, care for his child? 419 00:21:59,592 --> 00:22:03,406 I'm trying to unlearn many of the lessons of gender 420 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:05,669 that I internalized when I was growing up. 421 00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:08,419 But I sometimes still feel very vulnerable 422 00:22:08,419 --> 00:22:11,169 in the face of gender expectations. 423 00:22:11,169 --> 00:22:14,258 The first time I taught a writing class in graduate school 424 00:22:14,258 --> 00:22:15,726 I was worried. 425 00:22:15,726 --> 00:22:19,254 I wasn't worried about the material I would teach because I was well-prepared 426 00:22:19,254 --> 00:22:21,483 and I was going to teach what I enjoy teaching. 427 00:22:21,483 --> 00:22:24,011 Instead, I was worried about what to wear. 428 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:26,805 I wanted to be taken seriously. 429 00:22:27,295 --> 00:22:29,014 I knew that because I was female 430 00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:32,999 I will automatically have to prove my worth. 431 00:22:33,461 --> 00:22:35,379 And I was worried if I looked too feminine 432 00:22:35,379 --> 00:22:37,509 I would not be taken seriously. 433 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:41,609 I really wanted to wear my shiny lip gloss and my girly skirt, 434 00:22:41,686 --> 00:22:43,379 but I decided not to. 435 00:22:43,379 --> 00:22:45,965 Instead, I wore a very serious, 436 00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:49,175 very manly, and very ugly suit. 437 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:52,666 Because the sad truth is that when it comes to appearance 438 00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:54,590 we start off with man as the standard, 439 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:56,171 as the norm. 440 00:22:56,202 --> 00:22:58,563 If a man is getting ready for a business meeting 441 00:22:58,563 --> 00:23:00,421 he doesn't worry about looking too masculine 442 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,875 and therefore not being taken for granted. 443 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:05,835 If a woman has to get ready for business meeting, 444 00:23:05,835 --> 00:23:09,564 she has to worry about looking too feminine, and what it says 445 00:23:10,439 --> 00:23:13,429 and whether or not she will be taken seriously. 446 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:16,872 I wish I had not worn that ugly suit that day. 447 00:23:17,272 --> 00:23:20,218 I've actually banished it from my closet, by the way. 448 00:23:20,724 --> 00:23:25,663 Had I then the confidence that I have now to be myself 449 00:23:25,663 --> 00:23:28,588 my students would have benefited even more from my teaching, 450 00:23:28,588 --> 00:23:30,503 because I would have been more comfortable, 451 00:23:30,503 --> 00:23:33,438 and more fully and more truly myself. 452 00:23:33,715 --> 00:23:38,133 I have chosen to no longer be apologetic for my femaleness 453 00:23:38,163 --> 00:23:40,432 and for my femininity. 454 00:23:40,432 --> 00:23:46,539 (Applause) 455 00:23:46,539 --> 00:23:49,810 And I want to be respected in all of my femaleness 456 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:52,052 because I deserve to be. 457 00:23:52,113 --> 00:23:54,745 Gender is not an easy conversation to have. 458 00:23:55,637 --> 00:23:57,915 For both men and women, 459 00:23:57,915 --> 00:24:01,493 to bring up gender, sometimes encounters almost immediate resistance. 460 00:24:01,493 --> 00:24:04,242 I can imagine some people here are actually thinking 461 00:24:04,242 --> 00:24:06,515 "Women, true to selves? " 462 00:24:08,407 --> 00:24:10,249 Some of the men here might be thinking 463 00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:12,306 "Okay, all of this is interesting, 464 00:24:12,306 --> 00:24:14,784 but I don't think like that." 465 00:24:14,861 --> 00:24:16,953 And that is part of the problem. 466 00:24:16,953 --> 00:24:20,157 That many men do not actively think about gender 467 00:24:20,157 --> 00:24:21,601 or notice gender, 468 00:24:21,601 --> 00:24:23,707 is part of the problem of gender. 469 00:24:23,707 --> 00:24:26,219 That many men, say, like my friend Louis, 470 00:24:26,219 --> 00:24:28,758 that everything is fine now. 471 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:32,063 And that many men do nothing to change it. 472 00:24:32,063 --> 00:24:34,902 If you are a man and you walk into a restaurant with a woman 473 00:24:34,902 --> 00:24:37,281 and the waiter greets only you, 474 00:24:37,281 --> 00:24:39,312 does it occur to you to ask the waiter 475 00:24:39,312 --> 00:24:41,697 "Why haven't you greeted her?" 476 00:24:43,866 --> 00:24:46,303 Because gender can be... 477 00:24:47,306 --> 00:24:54,210 (Laughter) 478 00:24:55,732 --> 00:24:59,383 Actually we may repose part of a longer version of this talk. 479 00:25:00,306 --> 00:25:03,920 So, because gender can be a very uncomfortable conversation to have, 480 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,861 there are very easy ways to close it, to close the conversation. 481 00:25:06,861 --> 00:25:10,101 So some people will bring up evolutionary biology 482 00:25:10,101 --> 00:25:11,281 and apes, 483 00:25:11,281 --> 00:25:14,881 how, you know, female apes bow down to male apes 484 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,603 and that sort of thing. 485 00:25:16,603 --> 00:25:18,931 But the point is we're not apes. 486 00:25:18,931 --> 00:25:24,736 (Laughter) (Applause) 487 00:25:25,685 --> 00:25:30,227 Apes also live on trees and have earth worms for breakfast 488 00:25:30,227 --> 00:25:31,925 but we don't. 489 00:25:32,078 --> 00:25:33,393 Some people will say, 490 00:25:33,393 --> 00:25:36,469 "Well, poor men also have a hard time." 491 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,665 And this is true. 492 00:25:38,957 --> 00:25:41,257 But that is not what this... (Laughter) 493 00:25:41,318 --> 00:25:44,077 But this is not what this conversation is about. 494 00:25:45,508 --> 00:25:49,214 Gender and class are different forms of oppression. 495 00:25:49,214 --> 00:25:52,731 I actually learned quite a bit about systems of oppression 496 00:25:52,731 --> 00:25:55,380 and how they can be blind to one another 497 00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:57,620 by talking to black men. 498 00:25:58,420 --> 00:26:01,297 I was once talking to a black man about gender 499 00:26:01,297 --> 00:26:02,439 and he said to me, 500 00:26:02,439 --> 00:26:04,358 "Why do you have to say 501 00:26:04,358 --> 00:26:06,218 'my experience as a woman'? 502 00:26:06,218 --> 00:26:07,387 why can't it be 503 00:26:07,387 --> 00:26:10,285 'your experience as a human being'?" 504 00:26:10,808 --> 00:26:13,088 Now this was the same man who would often talk about 505 00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:16,006 his experience as a black man. 506 00:26:18,462 --> 00:26:21,480 Gender matters. Men and women experience the world differently. 507 00:26:22,029 --> 00:26:24,580 Gender colors the way we experience the world. 508 00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:27,210 But we can change that. 509 00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:28,631 Some people will say, 510 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,925 "Oh but women have the real power, 511 00:26:31,925 --> 00:26:33,386 bottom power." 512 00:26:33,386 --> 00:26:36,151 And for non-Nigerians, bottom power is an expression which -- 513 00:26:36,151 --> 00:26:37,724 I suppose means something like 514 00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:41,614 a woman who uses her sexuality to get favors from men. 515 00:26:41,998 --> 00:26:45,421 But bottom power is not power at all. 516 00:26:46,775 --> 00:26:50,083 Bottom power means that a woman 517 00:26:50,083 --> 00:26:53,362 simply has a good root to tap into, from time to time, 518 00:26:53,362 --> 00:26:55,996 somebody else's power. 519 00:26:56,027 --> 00:26:57,356 And then of course we have to wonder 520 00:26:57,356 --> 00:26:58,685 what happens when that somebody else is 521 00:26:58,685 --> 00:27:00,014 in a bad mood, 522 00:27:00,014 --> 00:27:01,541 or sick, 523 00:27:01,541 --> 00:27:03,472 or impotent. 524 00:27:03,472 --> 00:27:07,080 (Laughter) 525 00:27:07,807 --> 00:27:12,748 Some people will say that a woman being subordinate to a man is our culture. 526 00:27:13,841 --> 00:27:15,622 But culture is constantly changing. 527 00:27:15,622 --> 00:27:18,578 I have beautiful twin nieces who are fifteen 528 00:27:18,578 --> 00:27:19,969 and live in Lagos, 529 00:27:19,969 --> 00:27:22,853 if they had been born a hundred years ago 530 00:27:22,863 --> 00:27:25,155 they would have been taken away and killed. 531 00:27:25,155 --> 00:27:29,427 Because it was our culture, it was our culture to kill twins. 532 00:27:29,427 --> 00:27:32,222 So what is the point of culture? 533 00:27:32,361 --> 00:27:33,683 I mean there's the decorative, 534 00:27:33,683 --> 00:27:35,056 the dancing... 535 00:27:35,056 --> 00:27:40,285 but also, culture really is about preservation and continuity of a people. 536 00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:41,402 In my family, 537 00:27:41,402 --> 00:27:44,657 I am the child who is most interested in the story of who we are, 538 00:27:44,657 --> 00:27:45,798 in our tradition, 539 00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:48,111 in the knowledge about ancestral lands. 540 00:27:48,188 --> 00:27:50,874 My brothers are not as interested as I am. 541 00:27:50,951 --> 00:27:53,074 But I cannot participate, 542 00:27:53,074 --> 00:27:54,877 I cannot go to their meetings, 543 00:27:54,877 --> 00:27:56,680 I cannot have a say. 544 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,707 Because I'm female. 545 00:27:58,707 --> 00:28:00,943 Culture does not make people, 546 00:28:00,943 --> 00:28:02,914 people make culture. 547 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,014 (Applause) 548 00:28:09,112 --> 00:28:12,497 So if it's in fact true that the full humanity of women 549 00:28:12,497 --> 00:28:15,837 is not our culture, then we must make it our culture. 550 00:28:17,283 --> 00:28:22,149 I think very often of my dear friend Okuloma, 551 00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:26,847 may he and all the others that passed away in that Sosoliso Crash 552 00:28:26,847 --> 00:28:29,299 continue to rest in peace. 553 00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:32,876 He will always be remembered by those of us who loved him. 554 00:28:33,338 --> 00:28:36,289 And he was right that day many years ago 555 00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:38,191 when he called me a feminist. 556 00:28:38,191 --> 00:28:39,989 I am a feminist. 557 00:28:40,374 --> 00:28:42,508 And when I looked up the word in the dictionary that day, 558 00:28:42,508 --> 00:28:43,709 this is what it said: 559 00:28:43,709 --> 00:28:44,964 Feminist, 560 00:28:44,964 --> 00:28:47,433 a person who believes in the social, political 561 00:28:47,433 --> 00:28:50,242 and economic equality of the sexes. 562 00:28:51,239 --> 00:28:52,881 My great grandmother, 563 00:28:52,881 --> 00:28:54,235 from the stories I've heard, 564 00:28:54,235 --> 00:28:55,942 was a feminist. 565 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:59,235 She ran away from the house of the man she did not want to marry, 566 00:28:59,235 --> 00:29:02,083 and ended up marrying the man of her choice. 567 00:29:02,083 --> 00:29:05,166 She refused, she protested, she spoke up 568 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:10,546 whenever she felt she's being deprived of access, or land, that sort of thing. 569 00:29:10,573 --> 00:29:13,756 My great grandmother did not know that word "feminist," 570 00:29:13,976 --> 00:29:16,733 but it doesn't mean that she wasn't one. 571 00:29:17,194 --> 00:29:19,859 More of us should reclaim that word. 572 00:29:20,628 --> 00:29:23,534 My own definition of feminist is: 573 00:29:24,041 --> 00:29:26,305 a feminist is a man or a woman 574 00:29:26,305 --> 00:29:28,019 who says - 575 00:29:28,019 --> 00:29:37,666 (Laughter) (Applause) 576 00:29:37,666 --> 00:29:40,673 a feminist is a man or a woman who says 577 00:29:40,673 --> 00:29:44,162 "Yes, there's a problem with gender as it is today, 578 00:29:44,162 --> 00:29:45,618 and we must fix it. 579 00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:48,037 We must do better." 580 00:29:48,867 --> 00:29:50,493 The best feminist I know 581 00:29:50,493 --> 00:29:52,991 is my brother Kenny. 582 00:29:53,555 --> 00:29:57,709 He's also a kind, good-looking, lovely man, 583 00:29:57,709 --> 00:30:00,175 and he's very masculine. 584 00:30:00,175 --> 00:30:01,651 Thank you. 585 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:06,735 (Applause)