WEBVTT 00:00:08.556 --> 00:00:09.911 And up next, 00:00:10.251 --> 00:00:12.000 we have another good friend of mine. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.561 He's a former combat veteran of the United States Marine Corps. 00:00:16.187 --> 00:00:18.681 He's passionate about helping veterans in distress. 00:00:18.681 --> 00:00:21.575 Ladies and gentlemen, my good friend, Mr. Ron Self. 00:00:22.053 --> 00:00:25.102 (Applause) 00:00:26.662 --> 00:00:28.739 Hello. Thank you. 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:32.634 I've got to say, 00:00:32.634 --> 00:00:35.773 I just got to pet a dog for the first time in 19 years, 00:00:35.779 --> 00:00:38.542 and I'm feeling some kind of way about that. 00:00:40.302 --> 00:00:41.784 Okay, here we go. 00:00:44.094 --> 00:00:46.862 November 9, 2011. 00:00:47.542 --> 00:00:49.992 A regular day just like any other day. 00:00:50.332 --> 00:00:51.698 I walked into my cell. 00:00:52.633 --> 00:00:54.088 Stepped up on the toilet seat. 00:00:54.655 --> 00:00:56.366 Put a rope around my neck. 00:00:56.564 --> 00:00:59.143 Attached it to the locker, and stepped off. 00:01:02.345 --> 00:01:04.043 About an hour and a half later, 00:01:05.073 --> 00:01:06.460 I woke up on the floor. 00:01:06.650 --> 00:01:09.102 The rope had broke, which surprised me, 00:01:10.747 --> 00:01:13.492 because I made the rope out of a sheet. 00:01:13.492 --> 00:01:14.434 A four-grade rope 00:01:14.434 --> 00:01:16.774 Soaked in water, real good tensile strength. 00:01:16.774 --> 00:01:19.016 Probably made 100 of those in the Marine Corps, 00:01:19.016 --> 00:01:21.034 towed Humvees with them. 00:01:21.034 --> 00:01:23.121 But this one broke. Okay. 00:01:24.801 --> 00:01:27.055 Initially what I felt was two-fold: 00:01:27.195 --> 00:01:29.822 Shame for having attempted to kill myself, 00:01:30.612 --> 00:01:32.352 and shame for having not succeeded. 00:01:32.872 --> 00:01:34.686 And while I'm not a religious man, 00:01:34.866 --> 00:01:37.175 at some level I felt the rope broke for a reason. 00:01:37.175 --> 00:01:39.309 Or maybe I just wanted to believe it broke. 00:01:39.569 --> 00:01:41.985 Okay, so I figured I'd sit with that for a while. 00:01:42.145 --> 00:01:43.570 About two weeks later, 00:01:43.880 --> 00:01:47.691 I was in a prison university project English 204 research class, 00:01:47.901 --> 00:01:49.981 the end result being to produce 00:01:49.981 --> 00:01:53.611 a 15 to 25 page paper on the topic of your choice. 00:01:53.611 --> 00:01:57.389 It was the beginning of the semester and someone handed me a document. 00:01:57.389 --> 00:02:01.049 Keep in mind, I didn't tell anyone tried to kill myself, nobody knew that. 00:02:01.795 --> 00:02:03.818 And so someone handed me this document. 00:02:03.818 --> 00:02:05.666 And what it was was a legal opinion, NOTE Paragraph 00:02:05.666 --> 00:02:08.828 filed by Judge Reinhart of the Ninth Circuit Court 00:02:08.828 --> 00:02:13.055 September 2009, in response to a lawsuit 00:02:13.495 --> 00:02:16.591 filed by the family of a veteran who committed suicide. 00:02:16.941 --> 00:02:21.209 In his response, he cited a Katz suicide study, 00:02:21.209 --> 00:02:25.156 which indicated that 18 veterans a day were committing suicide at that time. 00:02:27.168 --> 00:02:30.559 Throughout the course of the semester, and in months to follow, 00:02:30.636 --> 00:02:34.044 I went on to discover something that I found incomprehensible. 00:02:34.393 --> 00:02:36.548 And that is, in the 14 years, 00:02:36.548 --> 00:02:40.972 from the start of the Iraqi War to include the Afghanistan War, 00:02:40.972 --> 00:02:45.900 6,855 American personnel were killed in action. 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:52.126 In that same period of time, 73,000 veterans committed suicide. 00:02:53.066 --> 00:02:56.159 Now when I share these statistics, these numbers, with people, 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:57.963 they think I must be mistaken. 00:02:57.963 --> 00:03:00.725 I'm in prison, we don't have access to good information. 00:03:00.725 --> 00:03:02.892 But we actually, in the college program, 00:03:02.892 --> 00:03:06.293 we have real good access to a lot of literature to do the research, 00:03:06.293 --> 00:03:08.766 and that's an accurate number. 00:03:10.576 --> 00:03:13.457 And I went on to discover a few other things. 00:03:14.257 --> 00:03:16.911 And that is that I don't know why that number's so high. 00:03:16.911 --> 00:03:19.054 I can only speak for a small percentage of it. 00:03:19.054 --> 00:03:21.418 So that's what I'm going to talk about right now. 00:03:21.418 --> 00:03:24.691 And when I explain that to people, what I ask them to understand, 00:03:24.737 --> 00:03:28.679 is that the relationship forged between men in combat 00:03:28.679 --> 00:03:32.139 is similar to that between a parent and a child. 00:03:33.750 --> 00:03:37.833 And for a veteran, there's no greater loss than than that of a brother in combat. 00:03:38.383 --> 00:03:40.180 To actually see him fall. 00:03:40.470 --> 00:03:44.143 And the biggest lie of your life, you tell to yourself the rest of your life; 00:03:44.143 --> 00:03:47.825 that being, you could have done something different to alter that outcome 00:03:48.005 --> 00:03:49.889 And you simply couldn't. 00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:53.051 And while you saw them fall, you know they're gone; 00:03:55.074 --> 00:03:57.051 they're not really gone. 00:03:57.051 --> 00:03:59.617 Because every night when you close your eyes, 00:04:01.807 --> 00:04:04.284 you see their faces in the shadows of your dreams, 00:04:04.284 --> 00:04:06.729 constant reminders of the brotherhood, 00:04:06.729 --> 00:04:10.545 of the camaraderie, of the family you search for the rest of your life 00:04:10.545 --> 00:04:13.555 but intuitively know you will never find. 00:04:14.625 --> 00:04:16.435 Now friends and family, 00:04:16.435 --> 00:04:19.420 they try to span that emotional divide. 00:04:19.420 --> 00:04:21.838 They try to bridge the gap. 00:04:23.638 --> 00:04:24.928 But it's pointless. 00:04:25.168 --> 00:04:28.434 I mean, they may as well look to the stars and try and talk to people 00:04:28.434 --> 00:04:30.413 in a distant galaxy as talk to you. 00:04:30.413 --> 00:04:33.789 And that's because serving with men 00:04:33.789 --> 00:04:35.498 that died by your side, 00:04:35.498 --> 00:04:37.523 sometimes in your arms, 00:04:38.503 --> 00:04:40.963 proving their worth to you 00:04:41.103 --> 00:04:43.593 has rendered pre-war family and friends 00:04:44.013 --> 00:04:46.571 untrustworthy, undependable. 00:04:47.571 --> 00:04:51.336 Translation: there's a stranger among us. That stranger's the veteran. Its me. 00:04:52.715 --> 00:04:54.675 So, clearly the seeds of suicide, 00:04:54.675 --> 00:04:57.222 in my opinion, are planted on the battlefield. 00:04:57.501 --> 00:05:01.228 And they remain dormant for the most part while you're on the battlefield. 00:05:02.135 --> 00:05:05.311 Only now your tour of duty's up and it's time to rotate back home, 00:05:05.311 --> 00:05:06.220 or you get injured. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:09.616 Either way you're coming back home, and that's where they start to grow. 00:05:09.996 --> 00:05:12.077 From the second you step foot on that plane 00:05:12.077 --> 00:05:14.584 and arrive at the very same airports 00:05:14.584 --> 00:05:17.350 that our brothers and sisters from Vietnam arrived at 00:05:17.350 --> 00:05:19.138 and were greeted by people 00:05:19.138 --> 00:05:22.327 calling them names, like, "Baby killer," "Murderer," "War criminal," 00:05:22.327 --> 00:05:25.012 "Go away," "We don't want you in our country." 00:05:26.582 --> 00:05:29.202 I've got to say, America gave itself a good ass-kicking 00:05:29.221 --> 00:05:31.519 in how it treated Vietnam veterans. 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.434 Only now it's 45 years later, and this generation of veterans 00:05:35.774 --> 00:05:37.956 from the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan, 00:05:37.956 --> 00:05:40.118 and a dozen other places you've never heard of 00:05:40.118 --> 00:05:43.333 are returning home and they're arriving at those very same airports. 00:05:43.333 --> 00:05:45.025 And it's become an opportunity 00:05:45.025 --> 00:05:47.238 for those people that gave the Vietnam veterans 00:05:47.238 --> 00:05:49.673 such a hard time to redeem themselves. 00:05:49.673 --> 00:05:52.402 It's become an opportunity for America to redeem itself 00:05:52.402 --> 00:05:55.056 in relation to how it treats its veterans. 00:05:55.566 --> 00:05:57.746 And so, we step off the plane. 00:05:57.746 --> 00:05:59.341 People are waving flags. 00:05:59.341 --> 00:06:02.540 "Welcome home, you're a hero, we love you, we're so proud of you." 00:06:02.950 --> 00:06:04.948 And while many of the Vietnam veterans 00:06:04.948 --> 00:06:07.327 would have appreciated that type of reception, 00:06:07.327 --> 00:06:09.706 they, and this is the hard part, 00:06:10.336 --> 00:06:14.763 as this generation of veterans knows, there's some truth to those insults. 00:06:15.013 --> 00:06:17.696 You see many of the things that happen in combat 00:06:17.696 --> 00:06:20.347 simply do not translate into being a hero. 00:06:20.463 --> 00:06:24.328 Yet you come back, and everybody's saying, "You're a hero. We're so proud of you." 00:06:24.328 --> 00:06:27.941 So, we come back, and that's all we we ever wanted was to make it back. 00:06:28.960 --> 00:06:31.981 And now that you are back, you've never felt so alone. 00:06:32.376 --> 00:06:35.056 You never felt so much guilt and shame in your life. 00:06:35.066 --> 00:06:36.826 Now you just want to go back. 00:06:36.826 --> 00:06:39.135 And you won't have to worry about thanking people 00:06:39.135 --> 00:06:40.900 for thanking you for your service. 00:06:40.900 --> 00:06:44.534 You won't have to worry about feeling like you're alienating people, 00:06:44.763 --> 00:06:47.992 and that's just what you do, you alienate everybody around you. 00:06:48.535 --> 00:06:49.952 And there's a reason for that 00:06:49.952 --> 00:06:53.459 because if you let anybody in, if you let anybody get close, 00:06:53.898 --> 00:06:55.241 you might lose them. 00:06:55.241 --> 00:06:57.841 And the thought of losing anyone else 00:06:57.841 --> 00:07:01.011 just brings you back to losing your brothers in combat. 00:07:01.501 --> 00:07:03.918 And for many veterans, 00:07:03.918 --> 00:07:06.799 it's just that you can't go back to war. 00:07:06.799 --> 00:07:10.082 And you can't go forward, or you feel like you can't go forward. 00:07:10.278 --> 00:07:13.462 The easiest solution for many is just to chamber around. 00:07:13.462 --> 00:07:14.945 And drop the hammer. 00:07:14.945 --> 00:07:17.038 That's what many do. 00:07:17.038 --> 00:07:20.815 Another option, clearly my option, is I came to prison. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:20.815 --> 00:07:25.253 Coming to prison is a different path to the same destination: death. 00:07:25.663 --> 00:07:28.614 It's just a slower path. 00:07:29.054 --> 00:07:31.310 Only for me, as you know, the rope broke. 00:07:31.310 --> 00:07:34.503 And when the rope broke, a solution appeared to me. 00:07:34.727 --> 00:07:38.710 And in 2012, I founded "Veterans Healing Veterans From the Inside Out." 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:40.369 And in it what I believe 00:07:40.369 --> 00:07:43.902 is the solution to the problem of the high rate of suicides. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:43.902 --> 00:07:46.227 Now, it's really simple. 00:07:46.227 --> 00:07:48.551 As some things in life are. 00:07:48.551 --> 00:07:49.990 When you join the military, 00:07:49.990 --> 00:07:52.894 it's understood that you have to graduate boot camp 00:07:52.894 --> 00:07:55.515 to go on to be a member of that branch of service. 00:07:55.515 --> 00:08:00.573 If you think of society as a branch of service, which it is, 00:08:00.573 --> 00:08:03.379 before you can return to it from the military, 00:08:03.379 --> 00:08:06.088 you have to complete Boot Camp Out. 00:08:06.268 --> 00:08:08.316 To not implement Boot Camp Out, 00:08:08.316 --> 00:08:11.106 and have veterans complete it, in my opinion, 00:08:11.256 --> 00:08:15.435 is the equivalent of bringing a 60-ton Abrams tank back from war, 00:08:15.531 --> 00:08:16.561 painting it yellow, 00:08:16.561 --> 00:08:19.614 slapping some stickers on it, and calling it a school bus. 00:08:19.884 --> 00:08:21.724 That's not going to work out too well. 00:08:21.724 --> 00:08:25.234 Can you imagine a big yellow Abrams tank, cruising down the street, 00:08:25.270 --> 00:08:29.047 leaving a wake of torn-up asphalt, crushed cars behind it? 00:08:29.047 --> 00:08:32.091 It's not trying to do that, it's not trying to be destructive. 00:08:32.472 --> 00:08:36.015 But it's a tank. It's a weapon of war. 00:08:36.185 --> 00:08:39.807 When the veteran comes back from war,it's the same thing. 00:08:40.129 --> 00:08:43.750 For that tank to be a school bus, clearly some changes have to be made. 00:08:43.750 --> 00:08:47.416 And that's what Boot Camp Out's about; it's about making those changes. 00:08:47.743 --> 00:08:49.193 Now, Boot Camp In, 00:08:49.193 --> 00:08:52.207 first thing you do in the morning is strap on your combat boots, 00:08:52.207 --> 00:08:55.982 put your rucksack on, check your weapon, make sure it's sighted and good to go. 00:08:56.341 --> 00:08:58.898 Boot Camp Out's the opposite of that. 00:08:58.898 --> 00:09:02.376 First thing you do in the morning is you put on your flip-flops, 00:09:02.376 --> 00:09:04.504 your board shorts, baseball cap. 00:09:04.814 --> 00:09:08.756 Daily exercise begins with yoga, meditation, maybe a few laps in the pool, 00:09:08.989 --> 00:09:10.787 mountain bike riding. 00:09:10.827 --> 00:09:13.826 Definitely not a backpack carrying an M16. 00:09:14.986 --> 00:09:18.557 The heart of the program would revolve around narration therapy. 00:09:18.917 --> 00:09:21.482 Now, most veterans, myself included, will tell you, 00:09:21.482 --> 00:09:24.878 "I don't need to write my experiences of war down. 00:09:24.878 --> 00:09:25.605 I lived them. 00:09:25.605 --> 00:09:29.154 They're forever burned into my memories, etched into my soul." 00:09:29.862 --> 00:09:32.746 But there's something about writing them down. 00:09:32.746 --> 00:09:33.933 They're tangible now. 00:09:33.933 --> 00:09:35.463 You can hold them, look at them, 00:09:35.463 --> 00:09:38.477 relate to them in a different way than just thinking about them. 00:09:38.517 --> 00:09:41.107 And when you share those experiences 00:09:41.107 --> 00:09:43.628 with other veterans that have similar experiences, 00:09:44.258 --> 00:09:45.858 something starts to happen. 00:09:45.858 --> 00:09:49.404 Something unexpected, something you didn't think could ever happen again. 00:09:49.404 --> 00:09:53.218 You start to feel a connection. You start to feel alive. 00:09:53.218 --> 00:09:54.771 And you learn that it's okay 00:09:54.771 --> 00:09:58.361 to take one step out of the shadows of denial and depression. 00:09:58.361 --> 00:10:02.367 And that it's okay to share those repressed and subdued memories. 00:10:03.045 --> 00:10:05.237 And every time you do that, 00:10:05.237 --> 00:10:08.391 every time you share that with another group of veterans, 00:10:08.391 --> 00:10:10.072 it gets easier. 00:10:10.232 --> 00:10:12.163 It has for me. 00:10:12.163 --> 00:10:16.174 Now the program I speak of will be unprecedented in military history 00:10:16.174 --> 00:10:17.683 because it doesn't exist yet. 00:10:17.683 --> 00:10:20.083 There is no Boot Camp Out. There never has been. 00:10:20.229 --> 00:10:23.449 Now the powers that be will say, "We're doing plenty. 00:10:23.491 --> 00:10:26.163 We're addressing the problem. We have programs in place." 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.995 And I would say, as evidenced by the high rate of suicide, the 73,000, 00:10:29.995 --> 00:10:32.299 that those programs are ineffective. 00:10:32.299 --> 00:10:35.160 Now in the military, it's all about the chain of command. 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:37.491 So, the orders come from the top down. 00:10:37.491 --> 00:10:39.942 Being here in prison, San Quentin, 00:10:39.942 --> 00:10:43.101 I couldn't be any farther away from that chain of command. 00:10:43.311 --> 00:10:45.812 And that's why I need your help. 00:10:45.972 --> 00:10:51.349 We need people of power and influence to help make this program happen. 00:10:51.561 --> 00:10:55.528 Without people of power and influence, this program won't exist. 00:10:56.020 --> 00:10:59.761 Now America claims to love and support its veterans. 00:10:59.771 --> 00:11:01.556 I say, prove it. 00:11:01.996 --> 00:11:04.668 We ask that you use your power, your influence, 00:11:04.668 --> 00:11:08.442 to advocate for a change in how veterans re-enter society. 00:11:08.442 --> 00:11:10.699 Advocate for this change. 00:11:11.589 --> 00:11:15.377 I would ask you to contact "Veterans Healing Veterans From the Inside Out" 00:11:15.389 --> 00:11:18.148 to find out what you can do, what more you can do, 00:11:18.390 --> 00:11:20.964 to help us save our brothers and sisters, 00:11:20.964 --> 00:11:23.389 your brothers and sisters, your sons and daughters, 00:11:23.389 --> 00:11:28.600 from a fate that's undeserving of them and their service to this country. 00:11:29.150 --> 00:11:31.377 And one other thing. 00:11:31.877 --> 00:11:37.398 It's not often that people from all walks of life 00:11:37.398 --> 00:11:39.298 can actually make history. 00:11:39.738 --> 00:11:43.664 And this is what this is; an opportunity for everybody here, everybody in blue, 00:11:43.664 --> 00:11:47.262 everybody that's come in from the street, everybody that hears this message, 00:11:47.444 --> 00:11:51.444 to get involved and make Boot Camp Out happen. 00:11:51.864 --> 00:11:54.941 We already have a version of it here at San Quentin Prison. 00:11:55.471 --> 00:11:58.414 Of course, it's a smaller, scaled-down version. 00:11:59.184 --> 00:12:02.304 I don't think I can convince the Warden to put a pool in. 00:12:02.304 --> 00:12:03.451 (Laughter) 00:12:03.481 --> 00:12:06.843 But it's a very successful program that we have here. 00:12:07.683 --> 00:12:09.622 And we have several veterans 00:12:09.622 --> 00:12:12.623 that have paroled from San Quentin and they're thriving. 00:12:12.623 --> 00:12:16.207 So, we have a good idea of what to do and how to do it. 00:12:16.207 --> 00:12:18.391 We just need your help to do it. 00:12:18.961 --> 00:12:21.372 So, before I leave, all I'm going to say is, 00:12:23.722 --> 00:12:25.992 I'm just asking for your help. 00:12:25.992 --> 00:12:27.546 Thank you. 00:12:27.546 --> 00:12:30.456 (Applause)