0:00:00.782,0:00:04.057 I'm in the business[br]of safeguarding secrets, 0:00:04.081,0:00:06.253 and this includes your secrets. 0:00:07.206,0:00:09.340 Cryptographers are[br]the first line of defense 0:00:09.364,0:00:12.946 in an ongoing war that's been[br]raging for centuries, 0:00:12.970,0:00:15.233 a war between code makers 0:00:15.257,0:00:16.509 and code breakers. 0:00:17.030,0:00:19.124 And this is a war on information. 0:00:20.227,0:00:23.711 The modern battlefield[br]for information is digital. 0:00:23.735,0:00:25.897 And it wages across your phones, 0:00:25.921,0:00:27.097 your computers 0:00:27.121,0:00:28.290 and the internet. 0:00:29.299,0:00:34.278 Our job is to create systems that scramble[br]your emails and credit card numbers, 0:00:34.302,0:00:36.561 your phone calls and text messages -- 0:00:36.585,0:00:38.777 and that includes those saucy selfies -- 0:00:38.801,0:00:40.023 (Laughter) 0:00:40.047,0:00:42.800 so that all of this information[br]can only be descrambled 0:00:42.824,0:00:44.945 by the recipient that it's intended for. 0:00:46.017,0:00:48.330 Now, until very recently, 0:00:48.354,0:00:50.909 we thought we'd won this war for good. 0:00:51.694,0:00:54.639 Right now, each of your smartphones[br]is using encryption 0:00:54.663,0:00:58.363 that we thought was unbreakable[br]and that was going to remain that way. 0:00:59.654,0:01:01.594 We were wrong, 0:01:01.618,0:01:04.004 because quantum computers are coming, 0:01:04.028,0:01:06.818 and they're going to change[br]the game completely. 0:01:08.445,0:01:10.901 Throughout history,[br]cryptography and code-breaking 0:01:10.925,0:01:12.995 has always been this game[br]of cat and mouse. 0:01:13.598,0:01:15.275 Back in the 1500s, 0:01:15.299,0:01:18.478 Queen Mary of the Scots thought[br]she was sending encrypted letters 0:01:18.502,0:01:20.479 that only her soldiers could decipher. 0:01:21.074,0:01:23.120 But Queen Elizabeth of England, 0:01:23.144,0:01:25.544 she had code breakers[br]that were all over it. 0:01:26.116,0:01:28.121 They decrypted Mary's letters, 0:01:28.145,0:01:31.318 saw that she was attempting[br]to assassinate Elizabeth, 0:01:31.342,0:01:33.773 and subsequently,[br]they chopped Mary's head off. 0:01:35.729,0:01:38.081 A few centuries later, in World War II, 0:01:38.987,0:01:41.871 the Nazis communicated[br]using the Engima code, 0:01:41.895,0:01:45.536 a much more complicated encryption scheme[br]that they thought was unbreakable. 0:01:46.274,0:01:48.204 But then good old Alan Turing, 0:01:48.228,0:01:51.263 the same guy who invented[br]what we now call the modern computer, 0:01:51.287,0:01:53.902 he built a machine and used it[br]to break Enigma. 0:01:54.545,0:01:56.150 He deciphered the German messages 0:01:56.174,0:01:58.889 and helped to bring Hitler[br]and his Third Reich to a halt. 0:01:59.772,0:02:02.331 And so the story has gone[br]throughout the centuries. 0:02:02.821,0:02:05.323 Cryptographers improve their encryption, 0:02:05.347,0:02:08.485 and then code breakers fight back[br]and they find a way to break it. 0:02:08.969,0:02:12.356 This war's gone back and forth,[br]and it's been pretty neck and neck. 0:02:13.533,0:02:16.248 That was until the 1970s, 0:02:16.272,0:02:18.932 when some cryptographers[br]made a huge breakthrough. 0:02:19.781,0:02:23.342 They discovered an extremely[br]powerful way to do encryption, 0:02:23.366,0:02:25.118 called "public-key cryptography." 0:02:25.839,0:02:30.114 Unlike all of the prior methods used[br]throughout history, it doesn't require 0:02:30.138,0:02:33.745 that the two parties that want to send[br]each other confidential information 0:02:33.769,0:02:35.828 have exchanged the secret key beforehand. 0:02:36.602,0:02:40.714 The magic of public-key cryptography[br]is that it allows us to connect securely 0:02:40.738,0:02:42.282 with anyone in the world, 0:02:43.481,0:02:46.350 whether we've exchanged[br]data before or not, 0:02:46.374,0:02:50.036 and to do it so fast that you and I[br]don't even realize it's happening. 0:02:51.001,0:02:54.239 Whether you're texting your mate[br]to catch up for a beer, 0:02:54.263,0:02:58.510 or you're a bank that's transferring[br]billions of dollars to another bank, 0:02:58.534,0:03:01.585 modern encryption enables us[br]to send data that can be secured 0:03:01.609,0:03:03.630 in a matter of milliseconds. 0:03:05.502,0:03:08.384 The brilliant idea that makes[br]this magic possible, 0:03:08.408,0:03:10.935 it relies on hard mathematical problems. 0:03:11.623,0:03:15.457 Cryptographers are deeply interested[br]in things that calculators can't do. 0:03:17.250,0:03:20.651 For example, calculators can multiply[br]any two numbers you like, 0:03:20.675,0:03:22.361 no matter how big the size. 0:03:23.175,0:03:25.116 But going back the other way -- 0:03:25.140,0:03:27.358 starting with the product and then asking, 0:03:27.382,0:03:29.747 "Which two numbers multiply[br]to give this one?" -- 0:03:29.771,0:03:32.152 that's actually a really hard problem. 0:03:33.358,0:03:37.949 If I asked you to find which two-digit[br]numbers multiply to give 851, 0:03:39.051,0:03:40.243 even with a calculator, 0:03:40.267,0:03:43.374 most people in this room would have[br]a hard time finding the answer 0:03:43.398,0:03:45.314 by the time I'm finished with this talk. 0:03:45.338,0:03:47.999 And if I make the numbers a little larger, 0:03:48.023,0:03:51.680 then there's no calculator on Earth[br]that can do this. 0:03:51.704,0:03:54.587 In fact, even the world's[br]fastest supercomputer 0:03:54.611,0:03:57.101 would take longer[br]than the life age of the universe 0:03:57.125,0:03:59.997 to find the two numbers[br]that multiply to give this one. 0:04:01.029,0:04:04.370 And this problem,[br]called "integer factorization," 0:04:04.394,0:04:08.020 is exactly what each of your smartphones[br]and laptops is using right now 0:04:08.044,0:04:09.578 to keep your data secure. 0:04:10.254,0:04:12.671 This is the basis of modern encryption. 0:04:14.266,0:04:18.476 And the fact that all the computing power[br]on the planet combined can't solve it, 0:04:18.500,0:04:21.373 that's the reason we cryptographers[br]thought we'd found a way 0:04:21.397,0:04:23.655 to stay ahead of the code[br]breakers for good. 0:04:25.131,0:04:26.783 Perhaps we got a little cocky, 0:04:27.902,0:04:30.248 because just when we thought[br]the war was won, 0:04:30.272,0:04:33.210 a bunch of 20th-century physicists[br]came to the party, 0:04:33.234,0:04:35.913 and they revealed[br]that the laws of the universe, 0:04:35.937,0:04:38.532 the same laws that modern[br]cryptography was built upon, 0:04:39.422,0:04:41.237 they aren't as we thought they were. 0:04:42.205,0:04:45.716 We thought that one object couldn't be[br]in two places at the same time. 0:04:46.262,0:04:47.803 It's not the case. 0:04:47.827,0:04:51.539 We thought nothing can possibly spin[br]clockwise and anticlockwise 0:04:51.563,0:04:52.848 simultaneously. 0:04:53.265,0:04:54.652 But that's incorrect. 0:04:55.173,0:04:58.883 And we thought that two objects[br]on opposite sides of the universe, 0:04:58.907,0:05:01.208 light years away from each other, 0:05:01.232,0:05:04.798 they can't possible influence[br]one another instantaneously. 0:05:05.932,0:05:07.179 We were wrong again. 0:05:08.403,0:05:10.612 And isn't that always the way[br]life seems to go? 0:05:10.636,0:05:14.032 Just when you think you've got[br]everything covered, your ducks in a row, 0:05:14.056,0:05:15.611 a bunch of physicists come along 0:05:15.635,0:05:19.327 and reveal that the fundamental laws[br]of the universe are completely different 0:05:19.351,0:05:20.512 to what you thought? 0:05:20.536,0:05:21.594 (Laughter) 0:05:21.618,0:05:22.974 And it screws everything up. 0:05:22.998,0:05:27.524 See, in the teeny tiny subatomic realm, 0:05:27.548,0:05:30.560 at the level of electrons and protons, 0:05:30.584,0:05:32.406 the classical laws of physics, 0:05:32.430,0:05:34.270 the ones that we all know and love, 0:05:34.294,0:05:35.532 they go out the window. 0:05:36.023,0:05:38.834 And it's here that the laws[br]of quantum mechanics kick in. 0:05:39.688,0:05:40.874 In quantum mechanics, 0:05:40.898,0:05:45.376 an electron can be spinning clockwise[br]and anticlockwise at the same time, 0:05:45.400,0:05:47.964 and a proton can be in two places at once. 0:05:49.940,0:05:52.063 It sounds like science fiction, 0:05:52.087,0:05:56.282 but that's only because[br]the crazy quantum nature of our universe, 0:05:56.306,0:05:57.977 it hides itself from us. 0:05:58.884,0:06:02.176 And it stayed hidden from us[br]until the 20th century. 0:06:03.494,0:06:07.263 But now that we've seen it,[br]the whole world is in an arms race 0:06:07.287,0:06:09.563 to try to build a quantum computer -- 0:06:10.455,0:06:14.794 a computer that can harness the power[br]of this weird and wacky quantum behavior. 0:06:16.375,0:06:18.831 These things are so revolutionary 0:06:18.855,0:06:20.621 and so powerful 0:06:20.645,0:06:22.998 that they'll make today's[br]fastest supercomputer 0:06:23.022,0:06:25.102 look useless in comparison. 0:06:25.868,0:06:28.886 In fact, for certain problems[br]that are of great interest to us, 0:06:29.633,0:06:32.244 today's fastest supercomputer[br]is closer to an abacus 0:06:32.268,0:06:33.943 than to a quantum computer. 0:06:33.967,0:06:37.503 That's right, I'm talking about[br]those little wooden things with the beads. 0:06:38.477,0:06:42.745 Quantum computers can simulate[br]chemical and biological processes 0:06:42.769,0:06:45.675 that are far beyond the reach[br]of our classical computers. 0:06:46.812,0:06:52.403 And as such, they promise to help us solve[br]some of our planet's biggest problems. 0:06:53.492,0:06:55.764 They're going to help us[br]combat global hunger; 0:06:57.074,0:06:59.391 to tackle climate change; 0:06:59.415,0:07:03.375 to find cures for diseases and pandemics[br]for which we've so far been unsuccessful; 0:07:04.213,0:07:07.122 to create superhuman[br]artificial intelligence; 0:07:08.034,0:07:10.938 and perhaps even more important[br]than all of those things, 0:07:10.962,0:07:14.688 they're going to help us understand[br]the very nature of our universe. 0:07:16.376,0:07:18.590 But with this incredible potential 0:07:19.788,0:07:21.419 comes an incredible risk. 0:07:22.785,0:07:25.169 Remember those big numbers[br]I talked about earlier? 0:07:26.152,0:07:28.251 I'm not talking about 851. 0:07:28.275,0:07:30.456 In fact, if anyone in here[br]has been distracted 0:07:30.480,0:07:31.919 trying to find those factors, 0:07:31.943,0:07:35.497 I'm going to put you out of your misery[br]and tell you that it's 23 times 37. 0:07:35.521,0:07:36.715 (Laughter) 0:07:36.739,0:07:39.474 I'm talking about the much[br]bigger number that followed it. 0:07:40.300,0:07:43.800 While today's fastest supercomputer[br]couldn't find those factors 0:07:43.824,0:07:46.157 in the life age of the universe, 0:07:46.181,0:07:49.061 a quantum computer[br]could easily factorize numbers 0:07:49.085,0:07:50.652 way, way bigger than that one. 0:07:51.882,0:07:55.292 Quantum computers will break[br]all of the encryption currently used 0:07:55.316,0:07:57.294 to protect you and I from hackers. 0:07:57.318,0:07:58.745 And they'll do it easily. 0:08:00.539,0:08:01.872 Let me put it this way: 0:08:01.896,0:08:03.666 if quantum computing was a spear, 0:08:04.666,0:08:06.201 then modern encryption, 0:08:06.225,0:08:09.598 the same unbreakable system[br]that's protected us for decades, 0:08:09.622,0:08:12.280 it would be like a shield[br]made of tissue paper. 0:08:13.578,0:08:17.566 Anyone with access to a quantum computer[br]will have the master key 0:08:17.590,0:08:20.278 to unlock anything they like[br]in our digital world. 0:08:21.293,0:08:23.105 They could steal money from banks 0:08:23.129,0:08:24.560 and control economies. 0:08:25.303,0:08:28.200 They could power off hospitals[br]or launch nukes, 0:08:28.224,0:08:31.561 or they could just sit back[br]and watch all of us on our webcams 0:08:31.585,0:08:33.943 without any of us knowing[br]that this is happening. 0:08:37.314,0:08:41.273 Now, the fundamental unit of information[br]on all of the computers we're used to, 0:08:41.297,0:08:42.802 like this one, 0:08:42.826,0:08:44.168 it's called a "bit." 0:08:44.651,0:08:46.874 A single bit can be one of two states: 0:08:46.898,0:08:49.157 it can be a zero or it can be a one. 0:08:50.157,0:08:52.985 When I FaceTime my mum[br]from the other side of the world -- 0:08:53.746,0:08:56.232 and she's going to kill[br]me for having this slide -- 0:08:56.256,0:08:57.651 (Laughter) 0:08:57.675,0:09:01.409 we're actually just sending each other[br]long sequences of zeroes and ones 0:09:01.433,0:09:04.635 that bounce from computer to computer,[br]from satellite to satellite, 0:09:04.659,0:09:06.805 transmitting our data at a rapid pace. 0:09:06.829,0:09:08.832 Bits are certainly very useful. 0:09:08.856,0:09:11.552 In fact, anything[br]we currently do with technology 0:09:11.576,0:09:13.638 is indebted to the usefulness of bits. 0:09:14.840,0:09:16.229 But we're starting to realize 0:09:16.253,0:09:20.768 that bits are really poor at simulating[br]complex molecules and particles. 0:09:21.394,0:09:23.370 And this is because, in some sense, 0:09:23.394,0:09:26.479 subatomic processes can be doing[br]two or more opposing things 0:09:26.503,0:09:27.691 at the same time 0:09:27.715,0:09:30.701 as they follow these bizarre rules[br]of quantum mechanics. 0:09:31.232,0:09:32.776 So, late last century, 0:09:32.800,0:09:36.017 some really brainy physicists[br]had this ingenious idea: 0:09:36.041,0:09:38.042 to instead build computers[br]that are founded 0:09:38.066,0:09:40.156 on the principles of quantum mechanics. 0:09:42.557,0:09:45.776 Now, the fundamental unit of information[br]of a quantum computer, 0:09:45.800,0:09:47.048 it's called a "qubit." 0:09:47.582,0:09:49.382 It stands for "quantum bit." 0:09:50.986,0:09:54.243 Instead of having just two states,[br]like zero or one, 0:09:54.267,0:09:57.156 a qubit can be an infinite[br]number of states. 0:09:57.849,0:10:01.515 And this corresponds to it being[br]some combination of both zero and one 0:10:01.539,0:10:03.326 at the same time, 0:10:03.350,0:10:05.539 a phenomenon that we call "superposition." 0:10:06.569,0:10:09.274 And when we have two qubits[br]in superposition, 0:10:09.298,0:10:11.680 we're actually working across[br]all four combinations 0:10:11.704,0:10:14.214 of zero-zero, zero-one,[br]one-zero and one-one. 0:10:14.940,0:10:16.286 With three qubits, 0:10:16.310,0:10:19.551 we're working in superposition[br]across eight combinations, 0:10:19.575,0:10:20.727 and so on. 0:10:21.294,0:10:25.244 Each time we add a single qubit,[br]we double the number of combinations 0:10:25.268,0:10:28.870 that we can work with in superposition 0:10:28.894,0:10:30.073 at the same time. 0:10:31.005,0:10:33.634 And so when we scale up[br]to work with many qubits, 0:10:33.658,0:10:37.280 we can work with an exponential[br]number of combinations 0:10:37.304,0:10:38.623 at the same time. 0:10:39.440,0:10:43.075 And this just hints at where the power[br]of quantum computing is coming from. 0:10:44.964,0:10:46.291 Now, in modern encryption, 0:10:47.429,0:10:51.357 our secret keys, like the two factors[br]of that larger number, 0:10:51.381,0:10:53.658 they're just long sequences[br]of zeroes and ones. 0:10:54.539,0:10:55.783 To find them, 0:10:55.807,0:11:00.251 a classical computer must go through[br]every single combination, 0:11:00.275,0:11:01.426 one after the other, 0:11:01.450,0:11:04.529 until it finds the one that works[br]and breaks our encryption. 0:11:06.191,0:11:07.739 But on a quantum computer, 0:11:08.779,0:11:11.972 with enough qubits in superposition, 0:11:13.001,0:11:17.332 information can be extracted[br]from all combinations at the same time. 0:11:18.912,0:11:20.166 In very few steps, 0:11:20.190,0:11:24.164 a quantum computer can brush aside[br]all of the incorrect combinations, 0:11:24.188,0:11:25.601 home in on the correct one, 0:11:25.625,0:11:27.686 and then unlock our treasured secrets. 0:11:32.215,0:11:34.781 Now, at the crazy quantum level, 0:11:35.900,0:11:38.522 something truly incredible[br]is happening here. 0:11:40.625,0:11:44.299 The conventional wisdom[br]held by many leading physicists -- 0:11:44.323,0:11:46.942 and you've got to stay[br]with me on this one -- 0:11:46.966,0:11:51.389 is that each combination is actually[br]examined by its very own quantum computer 0:11:51.413,0:11:53.962 inside its very own parallel universe. 0:11:55.303,0:11:59.204 Each of these combinations,[br]they add up like waves in a pool of water. 0:12:00.085,0:12:02.071 The combinations that are wrong, 0:12:02.095,0:12:04.073 they cancel each other out, 0:12:04.097,0:12:05.857 and the combinations that are right, 0:12:05.881,0:12:07.740 they reinforce and amplify each other. 0:12:08.241,0:12:10.906 So at the end of the quantum[br]computing program, 0:12:10.930,0:12:13.747 all that's left is the correct answer, 0:12:13.771,0:12:16.324 that we can then observe[br]here in this universe. 0:12:17.575,0:12:20.711 Now, if that doesn't make[br]complete sense to you, don't stress. 0:12:20.735,0:12:21.783 (Laughter) 0:12:21.807,0:12:23.030 You're in good company. 0:12:24.205,0:12:27.371 Niels Bohr, one of[br]the pioneers of this field, 0:12:27.395,0:12:30.402 he once said that anyone[br]who could contemplate quantum mechanics 0:12:30.426,0:12:32.789 without being profoundly shocked, 0:12:32.813,0:12:34.269 they haven't understood it. 0:12:34.293,0:12:35.720 (Laughter) 0:12:35.744,0:12:37.899 But you get an idea[br]of what we're up against, 0:12:37.923,0:12:39.985 and why it's now up to us cryptographers 0:12:40.009,0:12:41.372 to really step it up. 0:12:42.674,0:12:44.763 And we have to do it fast, 0:12:44.787,0:12:46.819 because quantum computers, 0:12:46.843,0:12:49.866 they already exist in labs[br]all over the world. 0:12:51.248,0:12:53.145 Fortunately, at this minute, 0:12:53.169,0:12:55.839 they only exist[br]at a relatively small scale, 0:12:55.863,0:12:58.928 still too small to break[br]our much larger cryptographic keys. 0:13:00.127,0:13:01.811 But we might not be safe for long. 0:13:02.968,0:13:05.464 Some folks believe that secret[br]government agencies 0:13:05.488,0:13:07.401 have already built a big enough one, 0:13:07.425,0:13:09.398 and they just haven't told anyone yet. 0:13:09.961,0:13:12.390 Some punters say[br]they're more like 10 years off. 0:13:12.414,0:13:14.274 Some people say it's more like 30. 0:13:15.163,0:13:18.020 You might think that[br]if quantum computers are 10 years away, 0:13:18.044,0:13:21.108 surely, that's enough time[br]for us cryptographers to figure it out 0:13:21.132,0:13:22.826 and to secure the internet in time. 0:13:22.850,0:13:24.737 But unfortunately, it's not that easy. 0:13:25.521,0:13:27.709 Even if we ignore[br]the many years that it takes 0:13:27.733,0:13:31.399 to standardize and deploy and then[br]roll out new encryption technology, 0:13:31.423,0:13:33.751 in some ways, we may already be too late. 0:13:35.407,0:13:38.579 Smart digital criminals[br]and government agencies 0:13:38.603,0:13:42.882 may already be storing[br]our most sensitive encrypted data 0:13:42.906,0:13:45.499 in anticipation for[br]the quantum future ahead. 0:13:47.069,0:13:48.807 The messages of foreign leaders, 0:13:50.100,0:13:51.455 of war generals 0:13:52.653,0:13:54.815 or of individuals who question power, 0:13:55.936,0:13:57.486 they're encrypted for now. 0:13:58.487,0:14:00.088 But as soon as the day comes 0:14:00.112,0:14:02.888 that someone gets their hands[br]on a quantum computer, 0:14:02.912,0:14:06.038 they can retroactively break[br]anything from the past. 0:14:07.078,0:14:09.108 In certain government[br]and financial sectors 0:14:09.132,0:14:10.535 or in military organizations, 0:14:10.559,0:14:13.633 sensitive data has got to remain[br]classified for 25 years. 0:14:14.273,0:14:17.453 So if a quantum computer[br]really will exist in 10 years, 0:14:17.477,0:14:19.767 then these guys are already[br]15 years too late 0:14:19.791,0:14:21.501 to quantum-proof their encryption. 0:14:22.858,0:14:24.834 So while many scientists around the world 0:14:24.858,0:14:27.761 are racing to try to build[br]a quantum computer, 0:14:27.785,0:14:31.235 us cryptographers are urgently[br]looking to reinvent encryption 0:14:31.259,0:14:33.461 to protect us long before that day comes. 0:14:34.718,0:14:37.692 We're looking for new,[br]hard mathematical problems. 0:14:38.435,0:14:41.446 We're looking for problems that,[br]just like factorization, 0:14:41.470,0:14:44.479 can be used on our smartphones[br]and on our laptops today. 0:14:45.596,0:14:49.971 But unlike factorization,[br]we need these problems to be so hard 0:14:49.995,0:14:52.841 that they're even unbreakable[br]with a quantum computer. 0:14:54.366,0:14:57.972 In recent years, we've been digging around[br]a much wider realm of mathematics 0:14:57.996,0:14:59.522 to look for such problems. 0:15:00.205,0:15:02.176 We've been looking at numbers and objects 0:15:02.200,0:15:04.368 that are far more exotic[br]and far more abstract 0:15:04.392,0:15:06.348 than the ones that you and I are used to, 0:15:06.372,0:15:07.969 like the ones on our calculators. 0:15:07.993,0:15:10.373 And we believe we've found[br]some geometric problems 0:15:10.397,0:15:11.796 that just might do the trick. 0:15:12.383,0:15:15.446 Now, unlike those two-[br]and three-dimensional geometric problems 0:15:15.470,0:15:19.169 that we used to have to try to solve[br]with pen and graph paper in high school, 0:15:19.193,0:15:23.422 most of these problems are defined[br]in well over 500 dimensions. 0:15:24.453,0:15:28.209 So not only are they a little hard[br]to depict and solve on graph paper, 0:15:28.233,0:15:31.705 but we believe they're even[br]out of the reach of a quantum computer. 0:15:33.392,0:15:35.089 So though it's early days, 0:15:35.113,0:15:39.618 it's here that we are putting our hope[br]as we try to secure our digital world 0:15:39.642,0:15:41.612 moving into its quantum future. 0:15:43.171,0:15:45.024 Just like all of the other scientists, 0:15:45.048,0:15:47.211 we cryptographers are tremendously excited 0:15:47.235,0:15:51.092 at the potential of living in a world[br]alongside quantum computers. 0:15:52.839,0:15:54.992 They could be such a force for good. 0:15:57.508,0:16:01.756 But no matter what[br]technological future we live in, 0:16:04.867,0:16:09.723 our secrets will always be[br]a part of our humanity. 0:16:10.637,0:16:12.871 And that is worth protecting. 0:16:13.559,0:16:14.713 Thanks. 0:16:14.737,0:16:17.843 (Applause)