WEBVTT 00:00:09.468 --> 00:00:12.286 <v ->So it is the making of a hairpin.</v> 00:00:19.360 --> 00:00:21.960 You see, the hairpin is indispensable, 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.280 and I never have any. 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:32.950 Very good. 00:00:34.360 --> 00:00:37.000 So, we are almost ready, hmm? 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:38.134 Okay. 00:00:53.692 --> 00:01:08.734 (gentle piano music) 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.320 So in the sculpture for Chicago, then, 00:01:13.320 --> 00:01:15.440 this is a silent world. 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:16.560 This is a silent world. 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.440 All these things are going to go 00:01:18.440 --> 00:01:21.634 around the high building in a garden. 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:35.400 And instead of trying to rival 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.476 with the height of the building, 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:40.800 I have made a sculpture 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:45.000 which is so discreet and so sensitive 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.440 that my sculpture doesn't  have a bone of contention 00:01:48.440 --> 00:01:49.784 with the building. 00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:58.120 The beauty of it is that the block of black stone 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:59.840 is one with this. 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.080 So that is quite something. 00:02:03.080 --> 00:02:05.560 Now, this is lost on a lot of people. 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:07.200 They don't know how beautiful it is. 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:08.110 They don't have to know. 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:13.134 What I'm concerned with this  here is vandalism, right? 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.680 You see how fragile it is. 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:20.800 I'm not going to give you ideas now, 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.240 but just a knock on this, and the thing is... 00:02:24.160 --> 00:02:29.440 So, it is a leap of faith to  put this in an open space, 00:02:29.440 --> 00:02:30.880 but I take a chance. 00:02:30.880 --> 00:02:33.040 <v Interviewer>how come some  hands are child hands 00:02:33.040 --> 00:02:34.120 and some are adults? 00:02:34.627 --> 00:02:36.910 <v ->The subject of autobiography.</v> 00:02:37.461 --> 00:02:39.341 Autobiographique. 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:42.720 It is the helplessness of a child 00:02:42.720 --> 00:02:45.280 and then here is the help 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.480 that the grownup can give a small child. 00:02:48.480 --> 00:02:50.239 One takes care of the other. 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.800 The whole thing means we are together 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.840 and we are not arrogant, 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.965 we are not ashamed of our helplessness. 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.105 In fact, the helplessness may be a charm. 00:03:02.714 --> 00:03:04.440 Though I doubt that, but I can think that. 00:03:04.440 --> 00:03:05.507 I can say that. 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.000 I doubt it, but maybe I  don't doubt it, I don't know. 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.600 Helplessness can be a charm. 00:03:10.600 --> 00:03:13.537 It makes you feel good to help somebody helpless, 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.319 even though it's arrogant to say that. 00:03:23.040 --> 00:03:25.452 They're all based on the same subject. 00:03:26.047 --> 00:03:29.022 And there is a multiplicity of reasons. 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:31.280 Things are not black and white, 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.200 they are very subtle, there are lots of grays. 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.680 So, the main different thing, 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.880 first of all the fact that they are black 00:03:38.880 --> 00:03:42.760 is not a hazard, it is wanted. 00:03:42.760 --> 00:03:45.000 They are wanted black. 00:03:45.595 --> 00:03:51.075 Which is black is beautiful. 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.154 It is an invitation. 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.311 It is an invitation to be friendly. 00:04:07.002 --> 00:04:46.614 (gentle piano music) 00:04:54.440 --> 00:04:56.158 I'm supposed to come here, huh? 00:05:12.057 --> 00:05:14.857 The wrists, you see the beauty of this? 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.760 So instead of having a blouse, 00:05:20.760 --> 00:05:22.431 you see, you have those things. 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.231 Ah, thank you. 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:28.880 Okay. 00:05:29.760 --> 00:05:31.990 So, it is just nice. 00:05:34.503 --> 00:05:35.237 Right. 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:43.280 And this is also crochet. 00:05:43.280 --> 00:05:44.400 It's a matter of... 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.600 It is a matter of craftsmanship. 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:58.400 So this dovetail exactly into the Chicago project. 00:05:58.400 --> 00:06:00.920 I don't want to talk about Jane Addams, 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.960 because she's a historical figure, and it is, 00:06:03.960 --> 00:06:08.480 you just open a book and know what she represents. 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.813 Her attitude was very moral and very wonderful. 00:06:13.840 --> 00:06:19.080 She provided women who came over with work. 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:22.640 And since their fathers were  not around in many cases, 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:24.627 she made women useful. 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:28.182 She made them into wage-earners. 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.157 v<Interviewer>Wasn't your  grandmother a lace maker? 00:06:38.157 --> 00:06:41.000 <v Louise>There was a lot of  tapestry making in my family, 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.030 and there was also lace making. 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:48.840 I talk a lot about needles, 00:06:48.840 --> 00:06:51.160 but I never sat at a loom, never. 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.680 In her feminist attitude, my  mother was virulent about that. 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:00.960 She said, "You, my daughter,  will never handle a needle. 00:07:01.840 --> 00:07:06.360 Women are not supposed to be only craftswomen. 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:08.300 they are supposed to have a career." 00:07:08.300 --> 00:07:09.760 <v Interviewer>What was your father's idea?</v> 00:07:09.760 --> 00:07:11.820 Did he think you would sit down- 00:07:11.820 --> 00:07:14.440 <v ->My father's idea was that I get married</v> 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.355 and be a good wife, and be off of his hands. 00:07:22.201 --> 00:08:10.880 (bouncy piano music) 00:08:10.880 --> 00:08:13.892 You see the little hands  inside, they are my hands, 00:08:14.840 --> 00:08:16.480 as you can see by the size. 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.386 And his hands, then... 00:08:22.574 --> 00:08:24.720 <v Assistant>My hands are over Louise's hands.</v> 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.752 Louise's hands are like this. 00:08:26.752 --> 00:08:27.960 <v ->So this is where it came from.</v> 00:08:29.320 --> 00:08:31.400 And the technique of it is interesting, 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:34.478 because first a cast was made. 00:08:35.800 --> 00:08:37.734 We have a bed of plaster. 00:08:46.520 --> 00:08:50.600 Then Jerry pushed my hands in the wet plaster, 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.920 and then we wait until the plaster is dry, 00:08:54.920 --> 00:08:57.280 the negative part, is dry. 00:08:57.280 --> 00:08:59.440 And then we put some shellac on it. 00:09:02.040 --> 00:09:04.440 May I turn it, because he's there. 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.935 This is my (indistinct). 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.840 So we have half of it covered with the shellac. 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:15.000 It is dry. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:20.255 At this point we put another,  we pour the plaster on top. 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.240 Now when I say that the original plaster 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:27.000 is my favorite things, come, you see here? 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.360 You see the hand here? 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.480 And you see all the folds. You see the folds? 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.646 All the wrinkles, everything is there. 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:38.400 So this is the real document. That's it. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.225 So it is really our hands. 00:09:47.280 --> 00:09:52.840 Because it shows how much I  care about the whole thing. 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.896 It shows how much the emotion  that this expresses is true. 00:09:59.880 --> 00:10:03.040 It's an emotion that has  been lived and that is real; 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:04.376 it's not something made up. 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.600 So in this case, sometimes it's swing, you see. 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:13.040 I swing from being vulnerable, the baby one, 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:18.520 and in some other cases, I am the guiding one. 00:10:18.520 --> 00:10:22.560 So you swing from being a child, 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:25.920 into being a grandmother, to Alexander. 00:10:26.920 --> 00:10:28.520 So there is a long swing, 00:10:28.520 --> 00:10:32.821 there is a whole lifetime of experience, 00:10:33.747 --> 00:10:35.560 of attempted experiences. 00:10:35.560 --> 00:10:39.155 Some people never grow up,  but the attempt is there. 00:10:39.662 --> 00:10:40.720 <v Interviewer>do you notice that artists</v> 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.033 always remain children? 00:10:43.157 --> 00:10:45.680 <v ->Oh, well, I don't have  to implicate myself, 00:10:45.680 --> 00:10:47.880 I mean, it's not necessary. 00:10:47.880 --> 00:10:51.520 But it might be true that the artist, 00:10:51.520 --> 00:10:55.280 there is something in them that either refuses, 00:10:55.280 --> 00:10:58.248 or is unable to grow up, this is possible. 00:11:07.936 --> 00:11:41.213 (gentle piano music) 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.760 A work of art doesn't have to be explained. 00:11:47.760 --> 00:11:50.160 If you say, what does this mean, you see? 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:54.920 Well, if you do not have any feeling about this, 00:11:54.920 --> 00:11:56.976 I cannot explain it to you. 00:11:57.880 --> 00:12:02.173 If this doesn't touch you, I have failed.