1 00:00:01,066 --> 00:00:03,527 So this is a talk about gene drives, 2 00:00:03,527 --> 00:00:06,801 but I'm going to start by telling you a brief story. 3 00:00:06,801 --> 00:00:10,098 20 years ago, a biologist named Anthony James 4 00:00:10,098 --> 00:00:12,211 got obsessed by the idea of making mosquitos 5 00:00:12,211 --> 00:00:15,857 that didn't transmit malaria. 6 00:00:15,857 --> 00:00:20,803 It was a great idea, but pretty much a complete failure. 7 00:00:20,803 --> 00:00:23,427 For one thing, it turned out to be really hard 8 00:00:23,427 --> 00:00:26,469 to make a malaria resistant mosquito. 9 00:00:26,469 --> 00:00:29,766 James managed it, finally, just a few years ago 10 00:00:29,766 --> 00:00:31,902 by adding some genes that make it impossible 11 00:00:31,902 --> 00:00:35,757 for the malaria gene to survive inside the mosquito. 12 00:00:35,757 --> 00:00:38,218 But that just created another problem. 13 00:00:38,218 --> 00:00:41,051 Now that you've got malaria-resistant mosquito, 14 00:00:41,051 --> 00:00:46,322 how do you get it to replace all the malaria-carrying mosquitos? 15 00:00:46,322 --> 00:00:48,133 There are a couple options, 16 00:00:48,133 --> 00:00:53,009 but plan A was basically to breed up a bunch of the new genetically-engineered mosquotos, 17 00:00:53,009 --> 00:00:54,263 release them into the wild, 18 00:00:54,263 --> 00:00:56,863 and hope that they pass on their genes. 19 00:00:56,863 --> 00:00:58,721 The problem was that you'd have to release 20 00:00:58,721 --> 00:01:01,925 literally 10x the number of native mosquitos to work. 21 00:01:01,925 --> 00:01:05,246 So in a village with 10,000 mosquitos, 22 00:01:05,246 --> 00:01:08,497 you release an extra 100,000. 23 00:01:08,497 --> 00:01:11,004 As you might guess, this was not a very popular strategy 24 00:01:11,004 --> 00:01:12,514 with the villagers. 25 00:01:12,514 --> 00:01:15,137 (Laughter) 26 00:01:15,137 --> 00:01:18,829 Then, last January, Anthony James got an email 27 00:01:18,829 --> 00:01:21,639 from a biologist named Ethan Bier. 28 00:01:21,639 --> 00:01:24,472 Bier said that he and his grad student, Valentino Gantz, 29 00:01:24,472 --> 00:01:26,887 had stumbled on a tool that could not only guarentee 30 00:01:26,887 --> 00:01:30,161 that a particular gene trait would not be inherited, 31 00:01:30,161 --> 00:01:32,994 but that it would spread incredibly quickly. 32 00:01:32,994 --> 00:01:35,223 If they were right, it would basically solve the problem 33 00:01:35,223 --> 00:01:38,752 that he and James had been working on for 20 years. 34 00:01:38,752 --> 00:01:41,562 As a test, they engineered two mosquitos 35 00:01:41,562 --> 00:01:43,257 to carry the anti-malaria gene 36 00:01:43,257 --> 00:01:45,556 and also this new tool, a gene drive, 37 00:01:45,556 --> 00:01:47,506 which I'll explain in a minute. 38 00:01:47,506 --> 00:01:49,712 Finally, they set it up so that any mosquitos 39 00:01:49,712 --> 00:01:51,825 that had inherited the anti-malaria gene 40 00:01:51,825 --> 00:01:53,845 wouldn't have the usual white eyes, but would instead have red eyes. 41 00:01:53,845 --> 00:01:58,280 That was pretty much just for convenience 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,413 so they could tell just at a glance which was which. 43 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:05,153 So they took their two anti-malarial, red eye mosquitos 44 00:02:05,153 --> 00:02:07,847 and put them in a box with 30 ordinary white-eyed ones 45 00:02:07,847 --> 00:02:09,797 and let them breed. 46 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:14,534 In two generations, those had produced 38,000 grandchildren. 47 00:02:14,534 --> 00:02:16,972 That is not the surprising part. 48 00:02:16,972 --> 00:02:18,923 This is the surprising part: 49 00:02:18,923 --> 00:02:21,593 given that you started with just two red-eyed mosquitos 50 00:02:21,593 --> 00:02:23,172 and 30 white-eyed ones, 51 00:02:23,172 --> 00:02:26,725 you expect mostly white-eyed descendents. 52 00:02:26,725 --> 00:02:29,790 Instead, when James opened the box, 53 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:33,598 all 38,000 mosquitos had red eyes. 54 00:02:33,598 --> 00:02:35,432 When I asked Ethan Bier about this moment, 55 00:02:35,432 --> 00:02:40,053 he became so excited, tht he was literally shouting into the phone. 56 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:42,073 That's because getting only red-eyed mosquitos 57 00:02:42,073 --> 00:02:45,045 violates a rule that is the absolute cornerstone of biology, 58 00:02:45,045 --> 00:02:47,042 Mendelian genetics. 59 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:50,873 I'll keep this quick, but Mendelian genetics says when a male and female mate, 60 00:02:50,873 --> 00:02:53,753 their baby inherits half of its DNA from each parent. 61 00:02:53,753 --> 00:02:57,352 So if our original mosquito was aa and our new mosquito is aB, 62 00:02:57,352 --> 00:02:59,140 where B is the anti-malarial gene, 63 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:01,415 the babies should come out in four permutations: 64 00:03:01,415 --> 00:03:05,130 aa, aB, aa and Ba. 65 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:07,197 Instead, with the new gene drive, 66 00:03:07,197 --> 00:03:10,123 they all came out aB. 67 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:12,723 Biologically, that shouldn't even be possible. 68 00:03:12,723 --> 00:03:14,906 So what happened? 69 00:03:14,906 --> 00:03:16,717 The first thing that happened was the arrival 70 00:03:16,717 --> 00:03:18,645 of a gene-editing tool known as CRISPR in 2012. 71 00:03:18,645 --> 00:03:22,638 Many of you have probably heard about CRISPR, 72 00:03:22,638 --> 00:03:25,401 so I'll just say briefly that CRISPR is a tool that allows researchers 73 00:03:25,401 --> 00:03:28,188 to edit genes very precisely, easily and quickly. 74 00:03:28,188 --> 00:03:33,482 It does this by harnessing a mechanism that already existed in bacteria. 75 00:03:33,482 --> 00:03:35,409 Basically, there's a protein that acts like a scissors 76 00:03:35,409 --> 00:03:37,267 and cuts the DNA, 77 00:03:37,267 --> 00:03:39,217 and there's an RNA molecule that directs the scissors 78 00:03:39,217 --> 00:03:41,237 to any point on the genome you want. 79 00:03:41,237 --> 00:03:44,651 The result is basically a word processor of genes. 80 00:03:44,651 --> 00:03:47,135 You can take an entire gene out, put one in, 81 00:03:47,135 --> 00:03:49,945 or even edit just a single letter within a gene. 82 00:03:49,945 --> 00:03:53,544 And you can do it in nearly any species. 83 00:03:53,544 --> 00:03:58,351 Okay, remember how I said that gene drives 84 00:03:58,351 --> 00:03:59,094 originally had two problems? 85 00:03:59,094 --> 00:04:01,137 The first is that it was hard to engineer a mosquito 86 00:04:01,137 --> 00:04:02,623 to be malaria resistant. 87 00:04:02,623 --> 00:04:05,363 That's basically gone now, thanks to CRISPR. 88 00:04:05,363 --> 00:04:07,546 But the other problem was logistical. 89 00:04:07,546 --> 00:04:10,402 How do you get your trait to spread? 90 00:04:10,402 --> 00:04:13,165 This is where it gets clever. 91 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:16,810 A couple years ago, a biologist at Harvard named Kevin Esvelt 92 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:19,086 wondered what would happen if you made it so that 93 00:04:19,086 --> 00:04:21,803 CRISPR inserted not only your new gene, 94 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:25,448 but also the machinery that does the cutting and pasting. 95 00:04:25,448 --> 00:04:30,185 In other words, what if CRISPR also copy and pasted itself. 96 00:04:30,185 --> 00:04:34,713 You'd end up with a perpetual motion machine for gene editing. 97 00:04:34,713 --> 00:04:37,267 And that's exactly what happened. 98 00:04:37,267 --> 00:04:40,077 This CRISPR gene drive that Esvelt created 99 00:04:40,077 --> 00:04:43,606 not only guarantees that a trait will get passed on, 100 00:04:43,606 --> 00:04:46,068 but if its used in the germline cell, 101 00:04:46,068 --> 00:04:48,668 it will automatically copy and paste your new gene 102 00:04:48,668 --> 00:04:51,989 into both chromosomes of every single individual. 103 00:04:51,989 --> 00:04:54,450 It's like a global search and replace, 104 00:04:54,450 --> 00:04:56,006 or in science terms, 105 00:04:56,006 --> 00:04:59,326 it makes a heterozygous trait homozygous. 106 00:04:59,326 --> 00:05:01,927 So, what does this mean? 107 00:05:01,927 --> 00:05:04,574 For one thing, it means we have a very powerful, 108 00:05:04,574 --> 00:05:08,846 but also somewhat alarming new tool. 109 00:05:08,846 --> 00:05:11,586 Up until now, the fact that gene drives didn't work very well 110 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:13,699 was actually kind of a relief. 111 00:05:13,699 --> 00:05:15,928 Normally when we mess around with an organisms's genes, 112 00:05:15,928 --> 00:05:18,784 we make that thing less evolutionarily fit. 113 00:05:18,784 --> 00:05:20,944 So biologists can make all the mutant fruit flies they want 114 00:05:20,944 --> 00:05:22,500 without worrying about it. 115 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:27,004 If some escape, natural selection just takes care of it. 116 00:05:27,004 --> 00:05:30,302 What's remarkable and powerful and frightening about gene drives 117 00:05:30,302 --> 00:05:32,856 is that that will no longer be true. 118 00:05:32,856 --> 00:05:36,943 Assuming that your trait does not have a big evolutionary handicap, 119 00:05:36,943 --> 00:05:39,009 like a mosquito that can't fly, 120 00:05:39,009 --> 00:05:42,492 the CRISPR-based gene drive will spread the change relentlessly 121 00:05:42,492 --> 00:05:47,322 until it is in every single individual in the population. 122 00:05:47,322 --> 00:05:50,178 Now, it isn't easy to make a gene drive that works that well, 123 00:05:50,178 --> 00:05:53,568 but James and Esvelt think that we can. 124 00:05:53,568 --> 00:05:57,469 The good news is that this opens the door to some remarkable things. 125 00:05:57,469 --> 00:06:00,116 If you put an anti-malarial gene drive in just 1 percent 126 00:06:00,116 --> 00:06:02,183 of anopheles mosquitos, the species that transmits malaria. 127 00:06:02,183 --> 00:06:06,502 Researchers estimate that it would spread to the entire population 128 00:06:06,502 --> 00:06:08,406 in a year. 129 00:06:08,406 --> 00:06:11,401 So in a year, you could virtually eliminate malaria. 130 00:06:11,401 --> 00:06:14,350 In practice, we're still a few years out from being able to do that, 131 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:18,344 but sitll, a 1,000 children a day die of malaria. 132 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:21,293 In a year, that number could be almost zero. 133 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:25,426 The same goes for dengue fever, chicken genuang (?), yellow fever. 134 00:06:25,426 --> 00:06:27,469 And it gets better. 135 00:06:27,469 --> 00:06:29,512 Say you want to get rid of an invasive species, 136 00:06:29,512 --> 00:06:32,670 like get Asian Carp out of The Great Lakes. 137 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:34,412 All you have to do is release a gene drive 138 00:06:34,412 --> 00:06:37,570 that makes the fish produce only male offspring. 139 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:41,889 In a few generations, there'll be no females left, no more carp. 140 00:06:41,889 --> 00:06:44,164 In theory, this means that we could restore hundreds 141 00:06:44,164 --> 00:06:47,601 of native species that have been pushed to the brink. 142 00:06:47,601 --> 00:06:50,968 Okay, that's the good news, 143 00:06:50,968 --> 00:06:53,313 this is the bad news. 144 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:55,380 Gene drives are so effective, 145 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:59,234 that even an accidental release could change an entire species, 146 00:06:59,234 --> 00:07:01,440 and often very quickly. 147 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,530 Anthony James took the precautions. 148 00:07:03,530 --> 00:07:05,736 He breed his mosquitos in a bio-containment lab 149 00:07:05,736 --> 00:07:08,197 and he also used a species that's not native to the US 150 00:07:08,197 --> 00:07:09,706 so that even if some did escape, 151 00:07:09,706 --> 00:07:11,564 they'd just die off, 152 00:07:11,564 --> 00:07:12,725 there'd be nothing for them to mate with. 153 00:07:12,725 --> 00:07:15,651 But it's also true that if a dozen Asian Carp 154 00:07:15,651 --> 00:07:19,482 with the all-male gene drive accidentally got carried from The Great Lakes 155 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:20,968 back to Asia, 156 00:07:20,968 --> 00:07:25,519 they could potentially wipe out the native Asian Carp population. 157 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:29,048 And that's not so unlikely, given how connected our world is. 158 00:07:29,048 --> 00:07:32,230 In fact, it's why we have an invasive species problem. 159 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:33,646 And that's fish. 160 00:07:33,646 --> 00:07:37,826 Things like mosquitos and fruit flies, there's literally no way to contain them. 161 00:07:37,826 --> 00:07:41,982 They cross borders and oceans all the time. 162 00:07:41,982 --> 00:07:44,467 Okay, the other piece of bad news is that 163 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:48,809 a gene drive might not stay confined to what we call the target species. 164 00:07:48,809 --> 00:07:50,039 That's because of gene flow, 165 00:07:50,039 --> 00:07:52,454 which is a fancy way of saying that neighboring species 166 00:07:52,454 --> 00:07:54,103 sometimes inter-breed. 167 00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:56,727 If that happens, it's possible a gene drive could cross over, 168 00:07:56,727 --> 00:07:59,861 like Asian Carp could infect some other kind of Carp. 169 00:07:59,861 --> 00:08:03,437 That's not so bad if your drive just promotes a trait, like eye color. 170 00:08:03,437 --> 00:08:05,782 In fact, there's a decent chance that we'll see a wave 171 00:08:05,782 --> 00:08:09,614 of very weird fruit flies in the near future. 172 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:11,703 But it could be a disaster if your drive is deigned 173 00:08:11,703 --> 00:08:14,629 to eliminate the species entirely. 174 00:08:14,629 --> 00:08:17,903 The last worrisome thing is that the technology to do this, 175 00:08:17,903 --> 00:08:21,618 to genetically engineer an organism and include a gene drive 176 00:08:21,618 --> 00:08:25,543 is something basically any lab in the world can do. 177 00:08:25,543 --> 00:08:27,423 An undergraduate can do it. 178 00:08:27,423 --> 00:08:32,160 A talented high schooler with some equipment can do it. 179 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,527 Now I'm guessing that this sounds terrifying. 180 00:08:35,527 --> 00:08:41,355 Interestingly though, nearly every scientist I talk to 181 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:43,747 seems to think that gene drives were not actually 182 00:08:43,747 --> 00:08:44,583 that frightening or dangerous. 183 00:08:44,583 --> 00:08:46,162 Partly because they believe that scientists will be 184 00:08:46,162 --> 00:08:48,554 very cautious and responsible about using them. 185 00:08:48,554 --> 00:08:50,318 (Laughter) 186 00:08:50,318 --> 00:08:52,524 So far, that's been true. 187 00:08:52,524 --> 00:08:55,380 The gene drives also have some actual limitations. 188 00:08:55,380 --> 00:08:58,399 For one thing, they work in only sexually reproducing species. 189 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,882 So thank goodness, they can't be used to engineer viruses or bacteria. 190 00:09:01,882 --> 00:09:05,643 Also, the trait spreads only with each succesive genertion. 191 00:09:05,643 --> 00:09:08,732 So changing or eliminating a population is practical only if that species 192 00:09:08,732 --> 00:09:11,100 has a fast reproductive cycle, 193 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,722 like insects or maybe small vertebrates like mice or fish. 194 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:16,534 In elephants or people, it would take centuries 195 00:09:16,534 --> 00:09:20,342 for a trait to spread widely enough to matter. 196 00:09:20,342 --> 00:09:26,332 Also, even with CRISPR, it's not that easy to engineer a truly devastating trait. 197 00:09:26,332 --> 00:09:27,679 Say you wanted to make a fruit fly 198 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,303 that feeds on ordinary fruit instead of rotten fruit 199 00:09:30,303 --> 00:09:33,298 with the aim of sabotaging American agriculture. 200 00:09:33,298 --> 00:09:35,481 First you'd have to figure out which gene controls 201 00:09:35,481 --> 00:09:37,594 what the fly wants to eat, 202 00:09:37,594 --> 00:09:40,636 which is already a very long and complicated project. 203 00:09:40,636 --> 00:09:43,817 Then you'd have to alter those genes to change the fly's behavior 204 00:09:43,817 --> 00:09:45,442 to whatever you'd want it to be, 205 00:09:45,442 --> 00:09:48,507 which is an even longer and complicated project. 206 00:09:48,507 --> 00:09:51,224 And it might not even work because the genes that control behavior are complex. 207 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:53,941 So if you're a terrorist and have to choose between 208 00:09:53,941 --> 00:09:55,682 starting a grueling basic research program 209 00:09:55,682 --> 00:09:57,726 that will require years of meticulous lab work 210 00:09:57,726 --> 00:09:59,398 and still might not pan out, 211 00:09:59,398 --> 00:10:00,768 or just blowing stuff up? 212 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:03,717 You'll probably choose the later. 213 00:10:03,717 --> 00:10:05,621 This is especially true because at least in theory, 214 00:10:05,621 --> 00:10:09,011 it should be pretty easy to build what's called a reversal drive. 215 00:10:09,011 --> 00:10:13,028 That's one that basically overwrites the change made by the first gene drive. 216 00:10:13,028 --> 00:10:15,303 So if you don't like the effects of a change, 217 00:10:15,303 --> 00:10:18,159 you can just release a second drive that will cancel it out, 218 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:21,573 at least in theory. 219 00:10:21,573 --> 00:10:24,847 Okay, so where does this leave us? 220 00:10:24,847 --> 00:10:29,351 We now have the ability to change entire species at will. 221 00:10:29,351 --> 00:10:30,814 Should we? 222 00:10:30,814 --> 00:10:34,251 Are we gods now? 223 00:10:34,251 --> 00:10:36,317 I'm not sure I'd say that. 224 00:10:36,317 --> 00:10:38,663 But I would say this: 225 00:10:38,663 --> 00:10:41,426 First, some very smart people are even now debating 226 00:10:41,426 --> 00:10:43,841 how to regulate gene drives. 227 00:10:43,841 --> 00:10:46,418 At the same time, some other very smart people 228 00:10:46,418 --> 00:10:48,601 are working hard to create safeguards, 229 00:10:48,601 --> 00:10:52,687 like gene drives that self regulate or petter out after a few generations. 230 00:10:52,687 --> 00:10:56,101 But this technology still requires a conversation. 231 00:10:56,101 --> 00:10:59,723 And given the nature of gene drives, 232 00:10:59,723 --> 00:11:02,370 that conversation has to be global. 233 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:05,528 What if Kenya wants to use a drive that Tanzania doesn't? 234 00:11:05,528 --> 00:11:11,287 Who decides whether to release a gene drive that can fly? 235 00:11:11,287 --> 00:11:13,841 I don't have the answer to that question. 236 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:15,884 All we can do going forward, I think, 237 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:18,671 is talk honestly about the risks and benefits 238 00:11:18,671 --> 00:11:21,945 and take responsibility for our choices. 239 00:11:21,945 --> 00:11:25,962 By that I mean, not just the choice to use a gene drive, 240 00:11:25,962 --> 00:11:29,421 but also the choice not to use one. 241 00:11:29,421 --> 00:11:32,347 Humans have a tendency to assume that the safest option 242 00:11:32,347 --> 00:11:35,064 is to preserve the status quo. 243 00:11:35,064 --> 00:11:37,711 But that's not always the case. 244 00:11:37,711 --> 00:11:41,356 Gene drives have risks and those need to be discussed, 245 00:11:41,356 --> 00:11:45,211 but malaria exists now and kills 1,000 people a day. 246 00:11:45,211 --> 00:11:48,856 To combat it, we spray pesticides that do grave damage to other species, 247 00:11:48,856 --> 00:11:51,875 including amphibians and birds. 248 00:11:51,875 --> 00:11:54,336 So when you hear about gene drives in the coming months, 249 00:11:54,336 --> 00:11:57,193 and trust me, you will be hearing about them, 250 00:11:57,193 --> 00:11:58,632 remember that. 251 00:11:58,632 --> 00:12:00,675 It can be frightening to act, 252 00:12:00,675 --> 00:12:04,925 but sometimes, not acting is worse. 253 00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:12,518 (Applause)