0:00:17.158,0:00:20.240 Ik spreek heel veel mensen die hier komen… 0:00:20.240,0:00:22.050 … op zoek naar de Silicon Valley-ervaring. 0:00:22.090,0:00:24.410 Ze komen aan met één koffer in de hand… 0:00:24.410,0:00:28.026 … onderweg in zuidelijke richting op de 101. 0:00:28.057,0:00:29.238 Ze hopen de plek te zien waarover ze hebben gehoord… 0:00:29.331,0:00:34.732 … en zijn snelwegen, zijn bedrijvenparken… 0:00:34.732,0:00:37.468 … en zijn winkelcentra, en… 0:00:37.468,0:00:39.222 … het ziet er net zo uit als alle plaatsen waar ze ooit zijn geweest. 0:00:39.237,0:00:41.890 Uiteindelijk vragen ze zich af waar ze zijn beland… 0:00:41.890,0:00:42.497 … waarom ze hier zijn gekomen… 0:00:42.512,0:00:44.530 … wat hen hier heeft gebracht. 0:00:46.926,0:00:51.530 Code zelf is het onderliggende gedeelte dat computers laat werken. 0:00:51.530,0:00:54.110 Waarom het voor de wereld belangrijk is, is… 0:00:54.110,0:00:58.200 … omdat dit het bloed is van het organisme dat nu onze cultuur is. 0:00:58.200,0:01:00.200 Het zorgt ervoor dat alles werkt. 0:01:01.580,0:01:04.680 Technologie is nu een god van onze maatschappij geworden. 0:01:04.680,0:01:06.680 Ik bedoel, ik denk dat mensen er bang voor zijn… 0:01:06.680,0:01:09.370 … en bang zijn voor mensen die het maken. 0:01:18.860,0:01:22.620 Er is een gevoel dat software een soort nieuwe grens is. 0:01:22.620,0:01:24.680 Het is de oude metafoor van het goudzoeken… 0:01:24.680,0:01:26.680 … een herbeleving van de ‘California gold rush’. 0:01:26.730,0:01:30.030 Het is het soort Hollywood van de jaren twintig. 0:01:30.030,0:01:34.670 Deze hele kleine groep mensen definieert eigenlijk… 0:01:34.670,0:01:36.830 … hoe onze wereld eruit gaat zien. 0:01:36.940,0:01:40.350 Ik bedoel, je weet dat de computer alomvertegenwoordigd raakt… 0:01:40.350,0:01:42.480 … en de manier waarop we een wisselwerking met de wereld hebben. 0:01:42.480,0:01:45.290 Meer en meer bemiddeld door de computer… 0:01:45.660,0:01:47.980 … definieert deze hele kleine groep mensen… 0:01:47.980,0:01:50.990 … hoe de wereld eruit gaat zien. 0:01:52.300,0:01:53.480 Netscape! 0:01:53.480,0:01:54.760 Overal! 0:01:54.760,0:01:55.740 Team! 0:01:55.740,0:01:56.540 Vechten! 0:01:57.800,0:01:59.480 Minder dan drie jaar geleden… 0:01:59.480,0:02:02.430 … maakte een klein team van engineers bij Netscape Communications… 0:02:02.430,0:02:05.420 … software die surfen op het internet makkelijk maakte… 0:02:05.420,0:02:08.570 … en in dit proces het gezicht van computergebruik veranderde. 0:02:09.690,0:02:12.990 Op deze dag zit het bedrijf echter in grote problemen… 0:02:12.990,0:02:17.370 … in de ellende gestort door zijn rivaal en softwaregigant Microsoft. 0:02:17.370,0:02:20.400 Alleen een radicale strategie kan het helpen redden. 0:02:20.840,0:02:22.890 “Laat een harde Mozilla horen!” 0:02:22.890,0:02:28.080 Mozilla! Mozilla! Mozilla! 0:02:28.730,0:02:30.780 Netscape geeft zijn broncode weg… 0:02:30.780,0:02:33.100 … aan programmeurs buiten het bedrijf. 0:02:33.770,0:02:37.240 De broncode is de geheime formule voor het webbrowsen. 0:02:38.040,0:02:41.240 De code wordt Mozilla genoemd, en als het breed wordt aangewend… 0:02:41.240,0:02:44.030 … zal het de code van Netscape de internetstandaard maken… 0:02:44.030,0:02:46.330 … gebruikers tot zijn andere producten aantrekken… 0:02:46.330,0:02:49.320 … en de inzakkende toekomst van het bedrijf herstellen. 0:02:49.840,0:02:52.410 Ons verhaal richt zich op het team van engineers… 0:02:52.410,0:02:54.400 … die in dit gebouw samenkomen. 0:02:54.540,0:02:56.400 In de loop van het volgende jaar… 0:02:56.400,0:02:59.580 … zullen zij hun levens ondersteboven zetten om Mozilla te maken… 0:02:59.600,0:03:02.600 … en strijd te voeren met een reusachtige concurrent om hun bedrijf te redden… 0:03:02.600,0:03:04.700 … en de toekomst van computergebruik vorm te geven. 0:03:11.630,0:03:16.010 Op dit moment hebben we een probleem met het werk. Het lijkt erop dat het onmogelijk is… 0:03:16.010,0:03:19.240 … om het voor de aangekondigde datum af te krijgen… 0:03:19.240,0:03:21.130 … dus we proberen gewoon… 0:03:22.410,0:03:26.080 … wat dieper in te gaan op hoe ver we ten dode zijn opgeschreven. 0:03:26.080,0:03:30.510 En soms is de enige manier hiervoor… 0:03:30.510,0:03:32.830 … om iedereen in de kamer te krijgen en elkaar recht in de ogen te kijken. 0:03:32.830,0:03:35.740 We zeiden dat we ze Netscape Communicator op 31 maart zouden geven… 0:03:35.740,0:03:38.640 … dus als we ze Netscape Communicator niet op 31 maart geven… 0:03:38.640,0:03:40.040 … moeten we daar op een of andere manier iets aan te doen. 0:03:41.470,0:03:44.890 Het doel is om Mozilla op 31 maart bij ontwikkelaars te krijgen… 0:03:44.890,0:03:46.890 … enkele weken vanaf nu. 0:03:46.890,0:03:50.080 Het is een van de meest ambitieuze planningen in de bedrijfsgeschiedenis. 0:03:50.080,0:03:50.990 - Het is een grap 0:03:50.990,0:03:51.950 - Ik denk dat we heel exclusief zijn geweest 0:03:59.210,0:04:02.400 Michael Toy, een van Netscape’s eerste werknemers… 0:04:02.400,0:04:05.450 …leidt het team dat Mozilla voorbereidt voor publieke vrijgave. 0:04:08.410,0:04:10.670 We gaan er waarschijnlijk aan, dit gaat waarschijnlijk niet lukken. 0:04:10.670,0:04:13.050 Microsoft verplettert ons waarschijnlijk toch wel als een kever… 0:04:13.050,0:04:15.160 … maar dat we eraan gaan betekent niet… 0:04:15.160,0:04:18.170 … dat we ’s ochtends niet kunnen opstaan en werken. 0:04:18.800,0:04:21.079 Opstaan alstublieft… 0:04:21.790,0:04:24.800 … de geachte Michael Toy zit ons voor. 0:04:26.640,0:04:29.150 Ik ben nogal kortaf tegen mijn kinderen over wat ik doe. 0:04:29.150,0:04:32.320 “Wat doe je op het werk, pap?” “Oh ik weet niet, ik zit in vergaderingen…” 0:04:32.320,0:04:34.730 “… en ik voel me depressief en ik lees e-mail”. 0:04:34.730,0:04:36.480 Oh oh, je hebt me geraakt! 0:04:36.480,0:04:38.960 Maar ze denken toch dat mijn kantoor de beste plek ter wereld is. 0:04:38.960,0:04:40.700 Het gaat zo van “Oh, ging je naar kantoor?” 0:04:40.700,0:04:43.340 “Oh ja, jippie, ik ga graag naar je kantoor!” 0:04:43.340,0:04:46.330 Ze spelen met de geweren en er is gratis frisdrank… 0:04:46.330,0:04:48.330 … en er zijn grote ballen. 0:04:48.330,0:04:51.550 In feite werk ik wat hen betreft bij Disneyland. 0:04:51.550,0:04:54.030 Ik heb het over marathon versus sprint. 0:04:54.030,0:04:57.210 Het moeilijke gedeelte is om de hele weg met voldoende energie te lopen… 0:04:57.210,0:04:59.580 … wetende dat als je ooit gaat wandelen… 0:04:59.580,0:05:02.400 … je het niet gaat halen en alleen het einde in zicht houdt… 0:05:02.400,0:05:04.400 … en weet dat er haast bij is. 0:05:04.880,0:05:07.840 Jim Roskind, een expert in softwarebeveiliging… 0:05:07.840,0:05:11.420 … wordt ingebracht om rigoureuze standaarden in engineeringprecisie af te dwingen. 0:05:11.420,0:05:13.260 Stel je voor dat je een project had… 0:05:13.260,0:05:15.210 … waarbij je voelt dat verdoemenis aanstaande is. 0:05:15.210,0:05:16.890 Alle verschillende spelers vragen zich af… 0:05:16.890,0:05:18.460 Wordt er meer verwacht dan wat ze kunnen? 0:05:18.460,0:05:20.460 Kunnen ze iets bedenken om sneller te gaan? 0:05:20.460,0:05:21.480 Kan iemand ze helpen? 0:05:21.560,0:05:23.370 Er is dus een hoop spanning… 0:05:23.370,0:05:26.060 … en angst voor het halen van de planning. 0:05:26.620,0:05:29.550 Jamie Zawinski, evangelist voor vrije broncode… 0:05:29.550,0:05:32.700 … zal externe ontwikkelaars binnenhalen voor de zaak van Netscape. 0:05:33.080,0:05:36.190 Het vrijebrongebeuren probeert de regels te veranderen, toch? 0:05:36.570,0:05:39.560 Er zijn mensen die de vrijesoftware-religie aanhangen… 0:05:39.560,0:05:41.950 … het enige dat ze gemeen hebben is dat het allemaal hackers zijn. 0:05:42.360,0:05:45.370 Ze houden allemaal van code schrijven… 0:05:45.740,0:05:48.800 … dus je hoopt al die intelligente mensen te bereiken… 0:05:48.800,0:05:51.680 … en iets van ze te verkrijgen, weet je, zodat iedereen kan profiteren. 0:05:56.410,0:05:59.020 Ik praat over twee miljoen, twee en een half miljoen regels code… 0:05:59.020,0:06:01.020 … en stuk voor stuk moeten ze worden nagelopen… 0:06:01.020,0:06:03.280 … voorzichtig en in enkele gevallen twee keer. 0:06:07.690,0:06:10.220 Met honderden engineers die samenkomen bij Mozilla… 0:06:10.220,0:06:12.220 … met nieuwe code om de release te halen… 0:06:12.220,0:06:13.850 … zorgt Tara Hernandez ervoor… 0:06:13.850,0:06:15.950 … dan hun wijzigingen Mozilla niet laten crashen… 0:06:15.960,0:06:17.870 … en het werk van iedereen laten stagneren. 0:06:18.250,0:06:19.260 Dit is een manier om bij te houden… 0:06:19.260,0:06:20.800 … welke wijzigingen worden doorgevoerd. 0:06:20.800,0:06:22.190 Groen is goed. 0:06:24.170,0:06:25.520 Hier vinden een hoop wijzigingen plaats… 0:06:25.520,0:06:27.340 … en bam, de build wordt afgebroken. 0:06:27.340,0:06:29.630 Ok, prima, dag. 0:06:33.740,0:06:35.360 We gaan eraan. 0:06:35.660,0:06:38.960 Sommige van de ergste crashes zijn voor Scott Collins gereserveerd. 0:06:38.960,0:06:40.940 Een veteraan in code schrijven die stand-by staat… 0:06:40.940,0:06:42.970 … voor nachtelijke probleemoplossing. 0:06:46.220,0:06:48.170 Ik ben hier nu zo’n… 0:06:48.170,0:06:50.170 … ik weet het niet, 60 uur of zo. 0:06:50.170,0:06:52.480 Software schrijven is anders dan… 0:06:52.480,0:06:54.480 … vastgoed verkopen. 0:06:54.890,0:06:56.600 Bij vastgoed verkopen verkoop je aan mensen… 0:06:56.600,0:06:58.000 … en de mensen slapen ’s nachts. 0:06:58.490,0:07:00.810 Als ze gaan slapen, moet je stoppen met vastgoed verkopen. 0:07:00.810,0:07:02.280 Computers slapen nooit. 0:07:06.010,0:07:08.170 Je ziet dat mijn werkplek wat uitgedoster is dan… 0:07:08.170,0:07:10.170 … die van anderen. 0:07:11.160,0:07:13.340 Ik heb een leuke bank… 0:07:13.340,0:07:15.600 … daaronder een kleine matras waarop ik kan slapen… 0:07:15.600,0:07:17.160 … kunstwerken van mijn kinderen… 0:07:17.160,0:07:18.750 … ik kan de lichten bedienen. 0:07:18.750,0:07:21.740 Dit wil ik graag krijgen; als mijn vrouw echt van me houdt… 0:07:21.740,0:07:23.440 … mag ik er een hebben. 0:07:24.480,0:07:25.640 Het leven is goed. 0:07:30.730,0:07:31.480 OK 0:07:32.490,0:07:33.440 Bugs tellen. 0:07:33.440,0:07:37.000 Goed, hier zijn iets van 1000 bugs… 0:07:37.000,0:07:39.120 waar mensen niets aan doen. 0:07:39.360,0:07:40.570 Om haar code vrij te geven… 0:07:40.570,0:07:43.740 … moeten Netscape-engineers duizenden bugs verhelpen. 0:07:43.740,0:07:45.980 Vaak kleine wijzigingen waardoor de code… 0:07:45.980,0:07:48.300 door ontwikkelaars van buitenaf kan worden gebruikt. 0:07:48.670,0:07:50.880 Jeff Weinstein heeft er een, twee,… 0:07:50.880,0:07:52.270 … drie, vier, vijf, zes,… 0:07:52.270,0:07:53.760 zeven, acht, negen, tien,… 0:07:53.760,0:07:55.710 … elf, twaalf, dertien. 0:07:55.710,0:07:57.850 Eén bug in de massa aan code… 0:07:57.850,0:07:59.440 … kan het werk van alle anderen tegenhouden… 0:07:59.440,0:08:01.020 … en de vrijgavedatum bedreigen. 0:08:01.020,0:08:03.280 Ik wil dat iemand Jeff Weinstein oppiept… 0:08:03.320,0:08:05.240 … en hem 2024 laat bellen. 0:08:05.320,0:08:08.010 Zelfs bij een team van twintig mensen die een auto bouwen… 0:08:08.010,0:08:10.140 is het makkelijk om een paar stappen opzij te doen en te zeggen… 0:08:10.140,0:08:12.140 “Wacht eens, die gozer zet er geen stuur in”. 0:08:12.330,0:08:14.540 Er zijn veertig programmeurs aan het werk… 0:08:14.540,0:08:17.160 … die allemaal met code bij je aankomen, een gigantisch moeras… 0:08:17.160,0:08:19.680 … van kleine details, opgestapeld op een schijf. 0:08:19.680,0:08:22.030 Meestal kun je niet eens zien of alle delen het goed doen. 0:08:22.030,0:08:23.550 Je moet het als geheel in elkaar zetten… 0:08:23.550,0:08:25.040 … en daarna kijken of het geheel werkt… 0:08:25.040,0:08:27.320 … en dan nog weet je niet zeker van wie de slechte bits afkomstig zijn. 0:08:31.870,0:08:33.850 Dat zou jammer zijn. Kom, we gaan naar beneden! 0:08:33.850,0:08:35.500 Je hebt het over een recept. 0:08:35.500,0:08:37.020 Wie heeft het slechte meel gegeven. 0:08:37.020,0:08:38.400 Iemand is meel gaan malen… 0:08:38.400,0:08:39.720 … en alle deeltjes ervan moesten exact… 0:08:39.720,0:08:41.659 … de juiste grootte hebben. 0:08:41.659,0:08:42.960 Iemand anders heeft chocoladeschilfers gemaakt… 0:08:42.960,0:08:44.960 … die allemaal even groot moesten zijn. 0:08:44.960,0:08:46.840 Je ziet het niet voordat het in elkaar is gezet. 0:08:46.840,0:08:47.880 Je deelt het uit en mensen zeggen… 0:08:47.880,0:08:49.340 “Ik vind dit niet lekker” 0:08:51.310,0:08:52.400 En dan moet je je afvragen… 0:08:52.400,0:08:54.160 … in alle details die samenkomen… 0:08:54.160,0:08:55.840 … welk deel was het probleem… 0:08:55.840,0:08:57.840 … wie was de oorzaak van het probleem, en hoe herstel je het? 0:08:57.840,0:09:00.400 Je moet op een bepaald moment vrijgeven. 0:09:00.400,0:09:02.400 En nu zijn er al die mensen… 0:09:02.400,0:09:04.990 … de tijd tikt en het wordt aardig intens. 0:09:05.995,0:09:06.700 Sinds Netscape begon… 0:09:06.700,0:09:08.520 … is de hoeveelheid code die Mozilla maakt… 0:09:08.520,0:09:10.520 … met een factor 30 toegenomen. 0:09:11.260,0:09:13.360 Het programmeer- en debugwerk… 0:09:13.360,0:09:16.410 … berust op een wankel evenwicht van wetenschap en kunst. 0:09:18.640,0:09:21.790 Ze praten over wat ze doen alsof… 0:09:21.790,0:09:24.890 … het een soort alchemie is, een soort tovenarij. 0:09:25.370,0:09:27.980 Het doet me zo denken aan atletiek. 0:09:27.980,0:09:30.040 Weet je waarom iemand een goede slagman is? 0:09:30.560,0:09:33.210 Vaak kunnen de slagmensen het zelf niet echt uitleggen. 0:09:33.740,0:09:36.000 En vaak kunnen de beste softwaremakers zelf… 0:09:36.000,0:09:39.600 … niet begrijpen waarom ze er zo goed in zijn. 0:09:40.480,0:09:44.040 Ik denk dat een goede programmeur als techneut is opgevoed. 0:09:44.040,0:09:47.050 Ik denk dat bij mijn team bij Netscape iedereen als techneut is opgegroeid. 0:09:47.050,0:09:51.120 We zijn allemaal opgegroeid met computers ergens om ons heen… 0:09:51.120,0:09:54.140 … zodat we eraan werden blootgesteld voordat we… 0:09:54.910,0:09:57.710 volwassen werden, als iemand van ons dat al echt is. 0:09:57.710,0:09:59.710 Jim is de meest volwassene van ons. 0:10:02.000,0:10:05.280 Een groot deel van mijn jeugd tussen ongeveer 6 en 17 jaar… 0:10:05.280,0:10:06.460 … vond hier plaats. 0:10:06.780,0:10:09.710 Het leven was gewoon een nachtmerrie, dit een is heel gevaarlijke plek. 0:10:09.710,0:10:11.610 De middelbare school was niet zo slecht. 0:10:11.610,0:10:13.870 Ah, but it meant it 0:10:13.870,0:10:16.700 you'd get to work on puzzles and problems. 0:10:17.920,0:10:20.320 All of the puzzling is math, 0:10:20.320,0:10:22.880 and that puzzling is the exact same feeling 0:10:22.880,0:10:24.540 the exact same problem that you go through 0:10:24.540,0:10:25.640 when you're programming. 0:10:26.510,0:10:29.800 When I was young it'd be building with erector sets and Lego 0:10:30.040,0:10:33.100 now the structures that you build are in software. 0:10:34.080,0:10:36.330 My mom is a first class geek too. 0:10:36.830,0:10:39.710 And so I have a unique experience of being able to talk 0:10:40.110,0:10:42.960 shop with my mom, cuz' she's a director of 0:10:42.960,0:10:45.400 really important stuff at Sun. 0:10:47.930,0:10:50.880 At Netscape one of the code words for is the average person 0:10:50.880,0:10:52.110 who is going to be able to use this software is, 0:10:52.110,0:10:54.110 "Well can my mom use it?" 0:10:54.830,0:10:56.510 Yeah, my mom can use it. 0:10:56.510,0:10:58.510 My mom can write optimizing compilers. 0:11:02.030,0:11:04.680 By the time I was 12 years old I was making 50 bucks an hour 0:11:04.680,0:11:05.950 programming computers. 0:11:06.760,0:11:10.620 People say what should I be should I grow up to be a... 0:11:10.620,0:11:12.090 I say computer programmer. 0:11:16.330,0:11:19.740 The thing about that makes it a youth culture 0:11:19.740,0:11:23.230 is one's capacity to throw one's entire life on the line 0:11:23.230,0:11:24.490 with these firms 0:11:25.520,0:11:27.820 Entire life commitment meaning 0:11:27.820,0:11:30.860 24-7-365 work commitment. 0:11:33.040,0:11:34.680 It's throwing yourself into a thing 0:11:34.680,0:11:36.840 where you don't know if that job 0:11:36.840,0:11:38.120 is going to be around soon. 0:11:38.120,0:11:40.010 There's no stability in here. 0:11:40.010,0:11:43.450 So the very kind of weird irony 0:11:43.450,0:11:45.610 is that very people who are inventing the future 0:11:45.610,0:11:46.670 can't see their own future. 0:11:47.930,0:11:49.740 This is a monk-life existence 0:11:49.740,0:11:51.930 there are very few women in these societies. 0:11:51.930,0:11:54.060 These are male societies, 0:11:54.060,0:11:55.760 they are secret societies, 0:11:55.760,0:11:58.590 they function very much like the Masons 0:11:58.590,0:12:00.800 or some street gang. 0:12:00.800,0:12:01.850 Evil! 0:12:03.840,0:12:05.560 Evil! Evil! 0:12:05.560,0:12:06.320 Evil man! 0:12:06.320,0:12:07.150 Why am I an evil man? 0:12:07.800,0:12:08.860 Did you or did you not hear a man saying 0:12:08.860,0:12:10.860 if you have a source leaving one bug, you will be 0:12:10.860,0:12:11.640 in here at 1:30. 0:12:11.640,0:12:13.040 I thought it was 2:30 0:12:14.320,0:12:15.800 Now you're evil and stupid. 0:12:15.800,0:12:16.440 (laughs) 0:12:16.440,0:12:18.000 You now that, I'm actually just in a different time zone. 0:12:18.000,0:12:20.160 I thought stupidity was an excuse though. 0:12:20.460,0:12:22.920 A lot of people at Netscape don't get out much 0:12:22.920,0:12:25.120 because they're at work all the time but 0:12:25.120,0:12:27.450 most of people's social interaction I would expect is 0:12:27.450,0:12:29.450 revolves around work just because 0:12:29.450,0:12:31.920 so many people spend so much of their time at work. 0:12:31.920,0:12:33.400 Hi Chris, it's Tara 0:12:33.840,0:12:35.080 um, how much do you love me? 0:12:36.320,0:12:37.040 Good. 0:12:37.040,0:12:38.680 What do you know about way the threading stuff 0:12:38.680,0:12:41.040 that falls into Javascript stuff and Java makes it feed? 0:12:42.010,0:12:43.920 All we have left to hold on to, really 0:12:43.920,0:12:46.080 is the work place, I mean it is the modern village. 0:12:47.310,0:12:49.310 People get to know your history 0:12:49.310,0:12:52.350 they shrug at your bad jokes. 0:12:53.690,0:12:55.710 There's a kind of familiarity that 0:12:55.710,0:12:58.380 and continuity that we don't have elsewhere. 0:12:58.380,0:12:59.480 Paul 0:12:59.480,0:13:02.010 we're going go out in a while and get something to eat 0:13:02.010,0:13:04.410 and do stupid things. You're interested? 0:13:04.410,0:13:05.850 Sure. Sure. Right. 0:13:06.490,0:13:09.080 Ok, the purpose of this meeting is not to beat up people 0:13:09.080,0:13:11.230 the purpose of this meeting is to make sure that 0:13:11.230,0:13:13.660 as a company we are incredibly focused on 0:13:13.660,0:13:15.400 getting the bug count to 0 0:13:15.720,0:13:18.760 we've been moderately focused up until now 0:13:18.760,0:13:20.920 we need to be deadly focused 0:13:20.920,0:13:21.640 from here on in. 0:13:21.640,0:13:24.540 Ok Jeff Weinstein 0:13:24.540,0:13:26.540 is he in this room? 0:13:27.720,0:13:28.830 He's not in this room. 0:13:28.830,0:13:31.230 Did not check-in this weekend, true or false? 0:13:31.230,0:13:32.800 He did not check-in this weekend 0:13:32.800,0:13:33.920 He did not answer his mail 0:13:33.920,0:13:35.480 and he hasn't answered his phone yet either. 0:13:35.480,0:13:37.840 His locator shows he's with the rest of the colonists 0:13:37.840,0:13:39.840 (laughs) 0:13:39.960,0:13:42.520 The old saying is that trying to manage programmers 0:13:42.520,0:13:44.520 is like trying to herd cats. 0:13:44.520,0:13:46.520 You know you want them to be cats 0:13:46.520,0:13:49.290 if you like cats, I mean 'cause you want what's unique about 0:13:49.290,0:13:50.680 that creature 0:13:50.680,0:13:54.220 But they really don't all like to go in the same direction. 0:13:55.240,0:13:56.920 In less than four years 0:13:56.920,0:13:59.420 Netscape has grown from a handful of people 0:13:59.420,0:14:00.720 to over 200 0:14:00.720,0:14:02.880 and sometimes, locating a programmer 0:14:02.880,0:14:04.360 become yet another obstacle 0:14:04.360,0:14:06.220 for the browser team to overcome. 0:14:06.220,0:14:07.360 I'd say he's not in there. 0:14:07.360,0:14:09.710 That would be my guess, straight out. 0:14:09.710,0:14:11.210 He's not there. 0:14:11.930,0:14:14.040 When's the last time he was in here? 0:14:14.040,0:14:15.160 This afternoon. 0:14:15.160,0:14:16.760 Ok 0:14:16.760,0:14:19.900 Tara and I are ready to take a hit out on him. 0:14:19.900,0:14:22.700 and well if ya see him when he comes back tell him to 0:14:22.700,0:14:25.720 panic and run around and we're like 0:14:25.720,0:14:26.670 doomed on Mac right now with this thing. 0:14:27.760,0:14:27.770 Doomed! 0:14:27.800,0:14:31.320 The person working on Mac is like waiting for data right? 0:14:31.320,0:14:34.490 You should go around to every person in the company saying, "Doomed!" 0:14:36.670,0:14:39.470 Netscape predicament has much to do with this man 0:14:39.470,0:14:42.160 Bill Gates, whose company, Microsoft 0:14:42.160,0:14:44.160 has made him the richest, and arguably 0:14:44.160,0:14:46.160 the most powerful man in the world. 0:14:47.420,0:14:49.710 Allright if we can have order we'd like to begin. 0:14:49.920,0:14:51.420 Viewing Netscape's browser 0:14:51.420,0:14:53.790 as a potential threat to his computing empire 0:14:53.790,0:14:55.450 Gates has moved swiftly, 0:14:55.450,0:14:57.180 making his own browser free 0:14:57.660,0:14:58.960 and Netscape claims, 0:14:58.960,0:15:01.680 also engaging an unfair business practices 0:15:01.680,0:15:03.680 to take away its customers. 0:15:03.680,0:15:05.180 But we need to explore today 0:15:05.180,0:15:06.680 whether you and your company 0:15:06.680,0:15:08.200 have crossed the line 0:15:08.200,0:15:09.870 or on the other hand 0:15:09.870,0:15:12.480 whether this is just the carping of disgruntled rivals. 0:15:12.670,0:15:15.050 Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale 0:15:15.050,0:15:17.420 argues his company's case before the Senate. 0:15:17.420,0:15:19.520 And certainly nobody here on this panel is 0:15:19.520,0:15:20.890 a greater admirer of Mr. Gates 0:15:20.890,0:15:22.300 or his company than I am. 0:15:22.300,0:15:24.120 But we do ask that Microsoft 0:15:24.120,0:15:25.080 be held accountable 0:15:25.080,0:15:26.010 for some of their actions. 0:15:26.060,0:15:29.370 Actions that intimidate PC OEM manufacturers 0:15:29.370,0:15:32.400 to use their products and exclusionary practises 0:15:32.400,0:15:34.330 that prevent them from using my products. 0:15:34.330,0:15:36.330 Not all companies succeed. 0:15:36.330,0:15:38.540 Some fail to embrace change. 0:15:39.130,0:15:42.760 This is the way technology in the free market works. 0:15:43.150,0:15:45.520 The software industry's success 0:15:45.520,0:15:48.400 has not been driven by government regulation 0:15:48.670,0:15:51.680 but by freedom and the basic human desire 0:15:51.680,0:15:54.360 to learn, to innovate and to excel. 0:15:54.360,0:15:56.510 Meanwhile thousand of miles away 0:15:56.510,0:15:59.500 Netscape programmers continue working around the clock 0:15:59.500,0:16:01.640 in a race to meet Mozilla's release date. 0:16:02.160,0:16:04.600 These guys they tend to work very consistently, 0:16:04.600,0:16:06.860 so they'll just keep working until it's done and they won't stop. 0:16:07.210,0:16:09.050 They don't need food, they don't need sleep, 0:16:09.050,0:16:10.010 they don't need anything 0:16:10.010,0:16:13.130 OK, so they take pay, but... 0:16:14.700,0:16:17.050 A while ago some people from Harvard came and said 0:16:17.050,0:16:19.050 "Well how do you develop software, we're writing a book" and I 0:16:19.260,0:16:20.650 and I talked about all the things I thought 0:16:20.650,0:16:22.000 were really important and they were just 0:16:22.000,0:16:24.200 it felt to me like they were shaking their heads going, 0:16:24.200,0:16:26.240 Oh, gee, he doesn't know about Principle 7 0:16:26.240,0:16:28.040 and oh, he doesn't know about Principle 22 0:16:28.040,0:16:30.570 and in some ways they're right... I really haven't got a clue. 0:16:30.570,0:16:33.370 Right I really like to err on the side of 0:16:33.370,0:16:35.610 every day we wake up in the morning and say 0:16:35.610,0:16:37.720 based on what I know today 0:16:37.720,0:16:40.760 what's the best way to get to where we all want to go? 0:16:41.680,0:16:44.060 I personally or me and you three of us 0:16:44.330,0:16:46.830 do no have time to read all two millions of source code 0:16:46.830,0:16:49.240 to see that, there are no remaining problems. 0:16:52.200,0:16:53.560 We're going over here 0:16:53.560,0:16:55.880 zeroing in on Jeff Weinstein. 0:16:56.680,0:16:59.020 With March 31st only days away 0:16:59.020,0:17:01.790 the team can't proceed until Jeff Weinstein 0:17:01.790,0:17:04.890 an expert on some of Netscapes most arcane code 0:17:04.890,0:17:07.690 finds time to complete the bug fixes on his list. 0:17:07.839,0:17:08.599 How are you doing? 0:17:08.599,0:17:09.369 OK 0:17:09.720,0:17:10.599 Alright well 0:17:10.599,0:17:12.280 you are officially the most doomed 0:17:12.280,0:17:14.280 individual in the company sir 0:17:18.430,0:17:21.480 this one I can close, same with this one 0:17:21.480,0:17:23.480 yeah bunch of these 0:17:23.480,0:17:26.109 Um hopefully I'll get most of it done tonight 0:17:26.109,0:17:28.040 His goal he was just going to stay all night 0:17:28.040,0:17:29.440 and he was going to get it all done. 0:17:29.440,0:17:31.660 The good news is actually I think by about 0:17:31.930,0:17:34.110 I'm not sure if it was 9 or 11 o'clock at night 0:17:34.110,0:17:36.110 he actually was completely done. 0:17:38.520,0:17:40.200 Yeah! 0:17:40.200,0:17:41.680 Reaching a critical milestone 0:17:41.680,0:17:43.720 is cause for celebration. 0:17:46.990,0:17:49.100 And one bug left 0:17:49.100,0:17:51.070 and it's a really really hard one 0:17:51.070,0:17:53.280 Don't make me kill you, close 4330. 0:17:53.280,0:17:54.920 I will close 4330. 0:17:56.240,0:17:57.630 Bug count is small 0:17:57.800,0:18:00.000 there are some bugs that are not currently closed 0:18:00.000,0:18:02.480 but most of them are like piddly little annoying things that 0:18:02.480,0:18:03.580 Some of its stuck! 0:18:09.000,0:18:12.760 All praise the uh the mighty ones that created tremendous pile of 0:18:12.760,0:18:16.200 people working really hard this week to do the impossible. 0:18:18.410,0:18:20.880 There is this magic phrase that Michael Toy invented 0:18:20.880,0:18:22.880 which is "Zarro Boogs", hum 0:18:22.880,0:18:24.670 which is it's not quite perfect 0:18:24.670,0:18:26.000 but it's perfect enough 0:18:26.000,0:18:27.550 as zero bugs / "zarro boogs". 0:18:27.740,0:18:30.450 Do you have a spare monitor upstairs? 0:18:30.500,0:18:32.220 Yes I do have a spare monitor. 0:18:32.360,0:18:34.140 This is the first big test 0:18:34.280,0:18:37.680 Will an outsider actually be able to make Mozilla work? 0:18:37.720,0:18:42.090 If not Netscape stands a good chance of missing its March 31st deadline 0:18:42.300,0:18:43.820 I thought it's gonna be huge thing, 0:18:43.820,0:18:44.520 I thought it's gonna be like a hundred, 0:18:44.520,0:18:46.740 two hundred people here like all and rows 0:18:46.740,0:18:49.530 like with soviet style. 0:18:49.530,0:18:51.530 We are nowhere near that organized 0:18:53.020,0:18:55.380 Looks like it's all here, here we go! 0:18:56.390,0:19:00.410 Wow! All good, it's pretty simple how stuff is built. 0:19:00.410,0:19:03.170 It's just there's set of scripts that are set up 0:19:03.170,0:19:05.240 to say exactly what to compile and then 0:19:05.300,0:19:08.250 they all get globbed together into Mozilla hopefully. 0:19:10.150,0:19:11.710 - Here it is[br]- Yeah 0:19:11.710,0:19:14.720 If you get it to work, then it means anybody can get it to work. 0:19:14.720,0:19:15.510 That's true. 0:19:22.890,0:19:28.390 (WILD CHEERING clapping laughter) 0:19:31.060,0:19:34.350 - And look It has an about face![br]- ...Look it's so cute... 0:19:35.680,0:19:39.120 - Oh, that was pretty 0:19:39.120,0:19:41.590 - Yeah it's...[br]- No, I don't think it's working. 0:19:41.620,0:19:44.480 - Well go to the..[br]- Well[br]- Oh...[br]- Big crash... 0:19:44.480,0:19:46.480 - Hell shot the foot... 0:19:49.990,0:19:51.090 It's actually going really well. 0:19:51.090,0:19:52.510 I didn't think we'd actually get somebody 0:19:52.510,0:19:53.620 to build this quickly. 0:19:53.620,0:19:56.600 We had to do one small adjustment and it worked! 0:19:57.700,0:19:59.720 With the source almost ready to ship, 0:19:59.720,0:20:01.760 Netscape must explain the significance 0:20:01.760,0:20:03.350 of Mozilla to the press. 0:20:03.350,0:20:06.470 Basically what we wanna do is we wanna give them a little bit of the history 0:20:07.320,0:20:11.860 and then we wanna go into the what's actually going to happen tomorrow. 0:20:11.980,0:20:14.360 The other important take away then too from this 0:20:14.360,0:20:20.090 is that this is a really exciting cool thing. 0:20:20.090,0:20:24.800 - Good afternoon, Forrester[br]- Hi Stan Dolberg and uh Eric Brown please. 0:20:24.800,0:20:26.050 - One second. 0:20:27.840,0:20:31.750 - You've reached voicemail for Stan Dolberg -- I'll transfer you now 0:20:32.210,0:20:33.910 - Good afternoon, Forrester. 0:20:33.910,0:20:35.240 - Hi this is Maggie Young. 0:20:35.240,0:20:37.060 I'm calling from Netscape and I have scheduled 0:20:37.060,0:20:39.670 conference call with Stan Dolberg and Eric Brown 0:20:39.670,0:20:41.710 and I just got Stan's voicemail. 0:20:41.710,0:20:44.950 Netscape hopes the press will greet Mozilla with the same enthusiasm 0:20:44.950,0:20:48.350 it had for the company in its early days. 0:20:48.350,0:20:53.380 At eleven AM this morning, Netscape's stock went public and Wall Street went bonkers. 0:20:53.430,0:20:56.130 Initially offer had a price of 38 $ a share, 0:20:56.130,0:20:58.400 Netscape shut up to 72 within minutes... 0:20:58.400,0:21:01.860 The stock is bid up at extraordinary levels 0:21:01.860,0:21:05.040 in the first couple of really days and weeks 0:21:05.040,0:21:06.520 of its introduction. 0:21:06.520,0:21:09.290 It is the biggest initial public offering 0:21:09.290,0:21:11.900 in basically the Wall Street history. 0:21:16.150,0:21:17.720 - Good afternoon, Forrester 0:21:19.000,0:21:20.320 - Hi this is Josh Walker. 0:21:20.320,0:21:24.080 Today less than three years after its record breaking IPO however, 0:21:24.080,0:21:27.030 Netscape's story generates a different response. 0:21:27.030,0:21:28.130 - Hi there[br]- Yup 0:21:28.130,0:21:30.770 - As you now tomorrow is March 31st 0:21:30.770,0:21:33.810 - So that means hum, source code will be made 0:21:33.810,0:21:35.810 available to the developer community. 0:21:35.810,0:21:36.820 And we thought we would just 0:21:36.820,0:21:38.750 catch you up to speed and walk you through 0:21:38.750,0:21:41.060 that and see if you had some questions. 0:21:41.060,0:21:45.590 - Either I'm braindead or it takes lot of effort to communicate 0:21:45.840,0:21:49.500 and so I'm concerned that while you all know 0:21:49.500,0:21:53.390 what it means, I'm not confident 0:21:53.390,0:21:56.840 that it's coming across to the press. 0:21:56.840,0:21:58.640 - Right, I think those are good points. 0:21:58.640,0:22:02.340 By opening up the source code, we basically extend our developer community 0:22:02.340,0:22:04.280 from those folks that are inside of Netscape 0:22:04.280,0:22:05.820 to hundreds and thousands of developers 0:22:05.820,0:22:06.870 outside of Netscape 0:22:06.870,0:22:09.730 so it's no longer Netscape versus Microsoft. 0:22:09.730,0:22:12.120 It's Netscape and all of the Netscape, 0:22:12.120,0:22:13.880 you know, virtual community. 0:22:13.880,0:22:17.310 - I think there is a belief that Netscape 0:22:17.310,0:22:20.030 doesn't have a position to continue 0:22:20.030,0:22:21.860 to compete with Microsoft 0:22:21.860,0:22:24.520 in the browser front and that 0:22:24.520,0:22:27.840 in essence you've given up on the browser position. 0:22:32.060,0:22:35.500 This was a lot more smooth than I had originally anticipated. 0:22:35.500,0:22:36.230 Really. 0:22:38.270,0:22:40.720 I'm still waiting for the major bump in the road 0:22:40.720,0:22:42.340 that's gonna happen some time between now 0:22:42.340,0:22:43.560 and tomorrow afternoon. 0:22:43.560,0:22:45.140 In software development there is 0:22:45.140,0:22:46.580 always a bump in the road. 0:22:46.580,0:22:48.580 We just want to hear the Apple story 0:22:48.580,0:22:53.940 They just can't quite get themselves comfortable 0:22:53.940,0:22:55.980 with the patent grant or with 0:22:55.980,0:22:58.340 whatever we tried to do to fix it for them. 0:22:58.340,0:23:01.430 So the last thing back out of their lawyer was 0:23:01.430,0:23:04.260 "gee, oh I don't know that we get enough protection." 0:23:04.260,0:23:09.090 Mozilla has a small piece of code from Apple that has not been cleared for public license. 0:23:09.170,0:23:11.020 - Ok.[br]- We have to escalate. 0:23:11.770,0:23:13.460 - Hi this is Mark Andreeson, 0:23:13.460,0:23:16.440 I called a few minutes ago, and left message 0:23:16.440,0:23:18.660 we're trying to get - the problem is I can't get phone 0:23:18.660,0:23:19.920 there's no one at the Apple switchboard 0:23:19.920,0:23:21.920 so I'm having a hard time getting phone numbers for people. 0:23:21.920,0:23:22.860 Awesome. 0:23:24.740,0:23:26.260 Hold on, 6 2 0. 0:23:35.030,0:23:37.300 In order to ship Mozilla the next morning, 0:23:37.300,0:23:39.110 Scott Collins is called in 0:23:39.110,0:23:41.370 to replace Apple's code with his own invention. 0:23:41.370,0:23:43.880 And theoretically we believe this is possible. 0:23:43.880,0:23:47.340 It's my last bug. When I complete this bug, 0:23:47.340,0:23:50.900 I will be allowed to rest. 0:23:50.900,0:23:53.760 So I stayed up until about 5:40, 0:23:53.760,0:23:56.730 this morning writing this replacement class. 0:23:56.730,0:23:59.370 It made my life a living hell. 0:23:59.370,0:24:01.390 I got it basically running, it's all running, 0:24:01.390,0:24:03.290 it's all really good, and thank heavens 0:24:03.290,0:24:04.940 we got permission from Apple 0:24:04.940,0:24:06.300 to ship the regular source. 0:24:06.300,0:24:08.230 It's my understanding that Jamie 0:24:08.230,0:24:10.720 is gonna be the person that's gonna be pushing 0:24:10.720,0:24:13.390 the bits up to the website at around 10:00, 0:24:13.390,0:24:14.660 is that correct? 0:24:14.660,0:24:15.750 OK. 0:24:15.750,0:24:18.130 And we're gonna be staging some different 0:24:18.130,0:24:20.580 photo opportunities for the press at that time, 0:24:20.580,0:24:23.150 there will be television cameras you know news crews 0:24:23.150,0:24:25.870 - Couldn't we just like hire actors to do this for us? 0:24:25.870,0:24:30.990 - ...just tell them they get to be on TV come on..[br]- We're not gonna mandate it.. 0:24:30.990,0:24:33.760 - You're on TV right now.[br]- We've been on TV for two months. 0:24:33.760,0:24:37.240 - I don't think anyone is gonna come. 0:24:42.360,0:24:44.320 One way to learn to run a marathon 0:24:44.320,0:24:47.610 is put a person out 26 miles into the desert, 0:24:47.610,0:24:49.970 and say, you know, there's this bomb on your back 0:24:49.970,0:24:51.750 that's gonna go off in a certain length of time 0:24:51.750,0:24:53.190 if you don't get into the town. 0:24:53.190,0:24:55.220 Well, that'll motivate you to get in 0:24:55.220,0:24:57.310 but there is a certain chance that you'll be blown up. 0:24:57.310,0:25:00.830 - You know what time it is?[br]- Yeah it's five to ten. 0:25:00.830,0:25:04.110 - Aah! Going to be late. Hurry up! 0:25:04.110,0:25:05.940 Welcome everybody to the conference call. 0:25:05.940,0:25:07.630 Thanks for joining us this morning. 0:25:07.630,0:25:09.630 Today Netscape announced that 0:25:09.630,0:25:12.470 the first developer release of its Communicator 5.0 0:25:12.470,0:25:14.910 source code is available for download 0:25:14.910,0:25:17.120 from the Mozilla dot org website. 0:25:19.220,0:25:21.090 - You know where Tara is? 0:25:21.090,0:25:22.850 - Second floor? 0:25:22.850,0:25:25.480 - It's first floor, way on the other side. 0:25:25.480,0:25:27.170 And then today on the end of March, 0:25:27.170,0:25:29.440 as we announced, we are pushing the code 0:25:29.440,0:25:30.600 out to the Web as they say, 0:25:30.600,0:25:32.050 and we are delighted to be part of it 0:25:32.050,0:25:33.790 and we're very excited to see what happens. 0:25:33.790,0:25:36.250 The good news is the marathoner is now 0:25:36.250,0:25:38.120 coming into town with that bomb on his back 0:25:38.120,0:25:39.370 and it looks like he's gonna make it. 0:25:43.950,0:25:45.670 - This is the moment of truth! 0:25:46.400,0:25:48.560 They don't have theoretical framework 0:25:48.560,0:25:50.630 to write software, they're just writing it. 0:25:55.320,0:25:56.960 It's just like hitting the baseball. 0:25:56.960,0:25:59.910 If their code gets a home run, 0:25:59.910,0:26:01.490 nobody's asking questions. 0:26:01.490,0:26:02.920 Well, this doesn't make sense, 0:26:02.920,0:26:04.450 or why do you that, why does it work. 0:26:04.450,0:26:05.810 Nobody cares why it works. 0:26:17.490,0:26:20.850 - Wait this is bad.[br]- What's that? 0:26:21.010,0:26:25.730 - Well it's not connecting to...[br]- The machine that controls 0:26:25.730,0:26:28.280 the FTP push is, like, not answering. 0:26:28.280,0:26:30.540 - Is it loaded?[br]- It's "blast" not "blash". 0:26:30.710,0:26:33.480 - Oh[br]- Yeah maybe they're... 0:26:37.720,0:26:40.620 - Mac's there. UNIX is there. Windows is there.[br]- We're done! 0:26:40.660,0:26:44.520 - It's on![br]- Yeah! 0:26:54.510,0:26:58.250 - Since Jamie is here, I am told that means 0:26:58.250,0:27:00.580 that we have now pushed the source out on the Net. 0:27:00.580,0:27:01.400 Is that correct? 0:27:01.400,0:27:03.020 - Actually, we decided not to. 0:27:05.680,0:27:07.900 We thought it was a stupid idea. 0:27:11.020,0:27:12.950 - That's our story and were sticking to it. 0:27:25.160,0:27:27.530 For a moment, everyone at Netscape 0:27:27.530,0:27:28.810 takes a breather. 0:27:28.810,0:27:30.830 - I think it's gonna work out. 0:27:31.540,0:27:33.660 In the first hour of its release, 0:27:33.660,0:27:36.530 the source code is downloaded thousands of times 0:27:36.530,0:27:38.710 but the number of downloads is no guarantee 0:27:38.710,0:27:41.660 that Netscape will receive enough valuable contributions 0:27:41.660,0:27:44.130 to help the company to reverse its slide. 0:27:48.040,0:27:50.400 He's known as Pavlov to me. He's Pavlov at 0:27:50.400,0:27:53.490 Pavlov.net, on IRC he's Pavlov or Pav or 0:27:53.490,0:27:57.380 um, Pav Sleeping, or Pav Tired Up Too Late. 0:27:57.380,0:28:00.550 And um without him I think we'd be months behind. 0:28:00.550,0:28:03.430 Netscape's notoriety draws code writers 0:28:03.430,0:28:06.800 from around the world willing to work on Mozilla without pay. 0:28:06.800,0:28:10.500 One such contributor comes from rural Georgia. 0:28:12.720,0:28:15.200 I've been amazed over the last two or three years, 0:28:15.200,0:28:17.420 when especially his mother would come tell me 0:28:17.420,0:28:19.680 "Well, so and so called" from maybe New York 0:28:19.680,0:28:21.100 and they were coming to Atlanta 0:28:21.100,0:28:22.990 and they wanted to talk to Stuart or see him, 0:28:22.990,0:28:24.740 and they were gonna go down and have lunch. 0:28:24.740,0:28:26.920 "Well", I'd say "Who is this person from New York?" 0:28:26.920,0:28:29.670 And the all of a sudden "Well, he's been working 0:28:29.670,0:28:32.050 with Stuart on some programming issues 0:28:32.050,0:28:34.270 for a year or so and he wanted to come down 0:28:34.270,0:28:37.740 and meet. "Well, did you tell him you're only sixteen?" 0:28:37.740,0:28:41.080 I had no idea. Um, and that's great, 0:28:41.080,0:28:43.040 that's a wonderful thing because 0:28:43.040,0:28:47.610 he's contributing. It doesn't matter that he's young. 0:28:47.610,0:28:51.010 The place we call the cave. We just shut the door 0:28:51.010,0:28:55.150 and this is where he does whatever he does. 0:28:55.150,0:28:58.820 It is flabbergasting to think that your child 0:28:58.820,0:29:03.780 has done something for this worldwide company 0:29:03.780,0:29:05.110 instead of his homework. 0:29:05.110,0:29:08.320 I went and looked back at the older code 0:29:08.320,0:29:11.210 and I was really frightened by how 0:29:11.210,0:29:14.100 incredibly messy and just awful the code looked. 0:29:14.100,0:29:15.980 It would have taken you know 0:29:15.980,0:29:18.270 years to try and figure out what it was doing. 0:29:18.270,0:29:21.260 So we basically did it from scratch. 0:29:21.980,0:29:24.380 Pretty much I'm providing the code that makes 0:29:24.380,0:29:26.590 the browser show everything faster 0:29:26.590,0:29:29.200 and more efficiently than it used to. 0:29:29.200,0:29:33.010 His keyboarding is almost just like talking. 0:29:33.010,0:29:36.120 It's just um, an expression. 0:29:36.120,0:29:38.630 He can express himself that way 0:29:38.630,0:29:42.830 and it's just totally unconscious, almost. 0:29:42.830,0:29:45.880 Just a part of how he communicates. 0:29:46.680,0:29:49.630 In the past, free code contributions 0:29:49.630,0:29:51.220 helped build the Internet. 0:29:51.220,0:29:53.150 How commercial enterprise would benefit 0:29:53.150,0:29:55.740 from free code remains a big question. 0:29:55.740,0:29:57.660 Well, it's certainly my hope that 0:29:57.660,0:30:00.760 the enormous amount of new people 0:30:00.760,0:30:02.120 that no one company could afford 0:30:02.120,0:30:03.940 to have working on any product, 0:30:03.940,0:30:06.660 now contributing to the Netscape Navigator 0:30:06.660,0:30:09.570 Communicator will make a significant difference 0:30:09.570,0:30:11.280 in the improvement of the product. 0:30:11.280,0:30:14.720 How that works against any competitor, 0:30:14.720,0:30:16.250 remains to be seen. 0:30:25.980,0:30:27.770 -Good morning[br]-Good morning, Thank you. 0:30:27.770,0:30:31.060 David Readerman an analyst for San Francisco Investment Bank, 0:30:31.060,0:30:33.560 closely monitors Netscape's radical plan 0:30:33.560,0:30:35.320 for investors eager to participate 0:30:35.320,0:30:37.050 in the Internet stock boom. 0:30:38.130,0:30:40.430 The market is really kind of a voting machine, 0:30:40.430,0:30:43.210 it's voting yes I believe that vision statement. 0:30:43.210,0:30:46.500 Yes I believe that's gonna result in products sales. 0:30:46.500,0:30:48.710 Yes that's going to drive earnings up, and 0:30:48.710,0:30:50.710 you know stocks should traded accordingly. 0:30:51.150,0:30:53.250 The financial benefits to Netscape of 0:30:53.250,0:30:55.950 giving away its source code are hard to measure. 0:30:55.950,0:30:58.390 I understand why Netscape's trying to do it. 0:30:58.390,0:31:02.270 They still have to show me that 0:31:02.270,0:31:04.690 behind the vision and the slideware, 0:31:04.690,0:31:08.460 there's a real sustainable business model 0:31:08.460,0:31:11.130 that can deliver earnings hum, 0:31:11.130,0:31:14.560 and so I'm in show-me mode for Netscape. 0:31:20.580,0:31:22.930 Now, my job will be three times 0:31:22.930,0:31:25.880 as hard as it was yesterday and it was already ten times harder than it needed to be. 0:31:25.880,0:31:29.060 Right? Did I just work really hard to ship 0:31:29.060,0:31:31.130 the company jewels out of the building and 0:31:31.130,0:31:33.200 it's just gonna end in us dying 0:31:33.200,0:31:35.530 and rolling in poison and misery. 0:31:35.530,0:31:37.460 The day after this stuff goes out, 0:31:37.460,0:31:38.590 you really don't get to let up. 0:31:38.590,0:31:41.150 There is then the sort of day in day out, 0:31:41.150,0:31:45.090 go to work turn on the computer, code, code code. 0:31:45.090,0:31:46.940 - Thanks Tara. 0:31:49.460,0:31:50.540 - Tara? 0:31:50.680,0:31:52.950 - Yeah what's your doctor say Tara? 0:31:52.950,0:31:55.820 - Uh, my doctor says interestingly enough 0:31:55.820,0:31:59.820 that I work too much 0:31:59.820,0:32:02.260 and uh, that if I went to work today after 0:32:02.260,0:32:04.470 my appointment he would personally kill me. 0:32:04.470,0:32:07.760 I have an agreement with myself 0:32:07.760,0:32:10.030 that by the time I'm 35, I'm either going 0:32:10.030,0:32:11.850 to be high school teacher or bartender, 0:32:11.850,0:32:13.950 but something, anything other than a 0:32:13.950,0:32:16.080 in a position in the hightech industry, 0:32:16.080,0:32:18.120 otherwise I'll probably die by the time I'm 40. 0:32:25.730,0:32:27.460 Uh, now that I'm an old guy 0:32:27.460,0:32:28.590 I've kind of been round the block 0:32:28.590,0:32:32.850 couple times and you can go from realizing, 0:32:32.850,0:32:34.490 "This just never stops, does it?" 0:32:34.490,0:32:37.220 And that being really depressing 0:32:37.220,0:32:38.920 because you feel like it "I'm on, I'm on". 0:32:38.920,0:32:40.680 I said I was never going to be on the treadmill 0:32:40.680,0:32:42.610 and here I am. I'm on the treadmill. 0:32:42.610,0:32:44.850 I'm going to be running like this forever. 0:32:44.850,0:32:46.980 Because they're good at software, 0:32:46.980,0:32:48.940 they need to keep pace. 0:32:48.940,0:32:51.060 And as a result, keeping pace means 0:32:51.060,0:32:53.900 to shut a lot of other things out. 0:32:53.900,0:32:55.600 They just don't have time to read, 0:32:55.600,0:32:57.140 time to hear about the world. 0:32:57.140,0:32:59.090 They don't have much time for their families. 0:32:59.090,0:33:00.830 Um, but when you're in situation where 0:33:00.830,0:33:02.810 you really have a lot of work to do 0:33:02.810,0:33:04.090 and no time to do it, 0:33:05.020,0:33:07.040 you know, you pick what you want. 0:33:07.040,0:33:08.770 Some people pick wanting to have a family. 0:33:08.770,0:33:10.020 Some people pick wanting to 0:33:10.020,0:33:11.120 get some software done. 0:33:12.400,0:33:16.800 Christopher was born right after I started at Netscape, 0:33:16.800,0:33:19.350 and I basically missed the first 0:33:19.350,0:33:21.710 two years of his life because of the intensity. 0:33:21.710,0:33:23.530 I'd work 'til about 7 or 8 o'clock, 0:33:23.530,0:33:25.280 come home, eat dinner, 0:33:25.280,0:33:28.520 put the kids to bed, and then go back to work, 0:33:28.520,0:33:30.390 or work from home, until 2 or 3 0:33:30.390,0:33:32.580 in the morning, and was like the Dad zombie. 0:33:32.580,0:33:35.160 He would call and say, I'm on my way home 0:33:35.160,0:33:37.030 and then it would be 2 or 3 hours and 0:33:37.030,0:33:39.300 you know, the romantic dinner candles 0:33:39.300,0:33:40.100 had burned down 0:33:40.100,0:33:41.690 and I was thinking he was dead 0:33:41.690,0:33:43.020 by the side of the road so, 0:33:43.020,0:33:45.150 you know if 24 hours goes by 0:33:45.150,0:33:47.110 and I don't hear from him, 0:33:47.110,0:33:48.600 that I pretty much know where to find him. 0:33:50.450,0:33:53.090 I live in Michigan. And I commute. 0:33:53.090,0:33:55.530 So it's quite a long commute, 0:33:55.530,0:33:57.230 I don't make it every day. 0:33:57.230,0:33:59.500 I only make it about every two weeks or so. 0:33:59.500,0:34:03.480 But um, It is quite a time change. 0:34:03.480,0:34:06.290 Here it's something like 12:01 0:34:06.290,0:34:09.320 in the morning, and there it's 1954. 0:34:15.710,0:34:18.429 The motivation from moving back here is 0:34:18.429,0:34:21.130 I wanted to get into a community, 0:34:21.130,0:34:25.210 put roots down, and you know, feel settled. 0:34:25.210,0:34:28.900 And I...Life is just different out there, 0:34:28.900,0:34:31.969 it really is. I mean here people like worked 0:34:31.969,0:34:36.000 car factory or whatever... thirty years and out. 0:34:38.949,0:34:42.010 We spent, like, 45 minutes talking about all his 0:34:42.010,0:34:44.900 like, his whole story, from job, to job, to job, to job. 0:34:44.900,0:34:46.210 I thought it was pretty cool. 0:34:47.710,0:34:53.330 He had like ten or something, jobs. 0:34:53.590,0:34:56.770 He seemed to do it a lot during particularly peak 0:34:56.770,0:34:59.490 stressful times, like, you know, baby due 0:34:59.490,0:35:01.450 in two months, I'm changing jobs now, dear. 0:35:01.450,0:35:03.210 I like when everything is changing. 0:35:03.210,0:35:05.960 That makes it's exciting. That's why I do it. 0:35:05.960,0:35:08.120 It's something to be in the storm, 0:35:08.120,0:35:11.410 right in the middle of it and seeing everything 0:35:11.410,0:35:13.390 new happening and putting it all together. 0:35:13.390,0:35:14.190 It's really exciting. 0:35:14.190,0:35:18.080 It's almost addictive. I wouldn't want to leave it, 0:35:18.080,0:35:20.060 that's for sure. 0:35:20.060,0:35:22.190 At times, it's a clear sacrifice 0:35:22.190,0:35:23.520 of elements of your personal life. 0:35:26.110,0:35:28.210 I have to work very hard but I have 0:35:28.210,0:35:30.760 the chance of being rewarded for my efforts. 0:35:30.760,0:35:33.090 This disadvantage, my life's moving on. 0:35:33.090,0:35:34.930 I don't have any children yet, 0:35:34.930,0:35:36.380 you realize there's a certain amount of 0:35:36.380,0:35:39.160 my life that I'm sacrificing I'm going to look back 0:35:39.160,0:35:41.030 and a portion of this life is gone. 0:35:43.100,0:35:46.280 In the U.S., we have at least several million people 0:35:46.280,0:35:49.060 directly making a living from software. 0:35:49.060,0:35:51.020 And it's the fastest growing group of 0:35:51.020,0:35:52.440 people in the economy. 0:35:52.440,0:35:55.250 And it's certainly in aggregate, 0:35:55.250,0:35:57.830 the highest paying field of its size. 0:35:57.830,0:35:59.640 I mean yeah, you've got baseball, 0:35:59.640,0:36:00.950 you've got Hollywood. 0:36:00.950,0:36:02.940 But you know when you really 0:36:02.940,0:36:05.150 think of a group that has millions of people in it, 0:36:05.150,0:36:06.850 these are the highest wages anybody 0:36:06.850,0:36:08.330 has ever seen in the United States. 0:36:14.340,0:36:16.730 The opportunity to win big 0:36:16.730,0:36:19.790 for code writers is very real. 0:36:19.790,0:36:23.650 In fact, that if you will jackpot 0:36:23.650,0:36:26.230 opportunity is reflected here on a 0:36:26.230,0:36:27.790 Wall Street trading desk. 0:36:27.790,0:36:31.080 And I find that a lot of the engineers 0:36:31.080,0:36:33.410 and managers from Silicon Valley 0:36:33.410,0:36:35.510 are very attuned to what goes on 0:36:35.510,0:36:38.460 on these trading floors daily. 0:36:38.460,0:36:42.090 By one account, 64 millionaires are created daily 0:36:42.090,0:36:44.700 in Sillicon Valley where any technology worker 0:36:44.700,0:36:46.860 can striking rich over night. 0:36:46.860,0:36:49.020 You join a company and they give you 0:36:49.020,0:36:51.320 some stock options which basically says, 0:36:51.320,0:36:53.610 rather than just giving you stock, 0:36:53.610,0:36:55.260 they give the right to buy the stock 0:36:55.260,0:36:57.870 in the future at the current price. 0:36:57.870,0:37:03.010 You might get stock in the order of 0:37:03.010,0:37:05.360 maybe a year's salary or 0:37:05.360,0:37:07.800 two years salary typically, worth of options. 0:37:07.800,0:37:10.920 In some of these real booming companies 0:37:10.920,0:37:12.970 out there on the Internet, the potential for 0:37:12.970,0:37:14.780 becoming a millionaire or doing very well, 0:37:14.780,0:37:15.800 is very, very high. 0:37:15.800,0:37:17.340 The people who were very, 0:37:17.340,0:37:19.660 very early, they call them "Mozillionaires". 0:37:19.660,0:37:21.220 Stock options are a con. 0:37:21.220,0:37:24.090 Um, it's a carrot and dangle, it's like, 0:37:24.090,0:37:25.450 oh well, you know if you'll give up 0:37:25.450,0:37:26.500 your one and only youth, 0:37:26.500,0:37:29.080 maybe someday you'll make money, right... 0:37:29.080,0:37:31.470 it's um, I've known so many people 0:37:31.470,0:37:33.740 who have gambled on start-up lottery 0:37:33.740,0:37:34.970 and got nothing. 0:37:34.970,0:37:37.940 You know it's just like lottery ticket, it's a stupid tax. 0:37:37.940,0:37:41.960 Um, I happened to win that particular lottery. 0:37:41.960,0:37:43.890 From the day Microsoft announced 0:37:43.890,0:37:46.330 its aggressive commitment to the Internet, however, 0:37:46.330,0:37:49.030 Netscape stock has been in steady decline, 0:37:49.030,0:37:51.610 and throughout most of 1998 Netscape 0:37:51.610,0:37:54.360 options are essentially worthless. 0:37:54.360,0:37:55.530 A year and a half ago, 0:37:55.530,0:37:57.630 half of our revenue came from browser sales. 0:37:57.630,0:37:59.160 Today none of it does, so well, 0:37:59.160,0:38:01.260 Any business person out there knows 0:38:01.260,0:38:02.340 that that's a huge challenge. 0:38:02.340,0:38:04.490 I mean let me take your number one selling product 0:38:04.490,0:38:05.770 away from you and you replace that 0:38:05.770,0:38:07.020 within period of 12 months or so. 0:38:07.020,0:38:08.670 Not many people want to do that. 0:38:08.670,0:38:11.470 Even though the company sells other Internet products, 0:38:11.470,0:38:14.370 the marketplace views Netscape as a browser company 0:38:14.370,0:38:16.640 in a losing battle with Microsoft. 0:38:18.230,0:38:22.540 - Greg this is Jim Barksdale with Netscape Communications, how are you? 0:38:22.880,0:38:24.980 It's clear that Netscape doesn't have 0:38:24.980,0:38:27.730 enough pieces to threaten Microsoft. 0:38:27.730,0:38:30.660 I don't think that Netscape long term 0:38:30.660,0:38:33.320 can survive as an independent company. 0:38:36.590,0:38:39.280 While Mozilla tries to recapture the early, 0:38:39.280,0:38:41.610 glory days of the company, 0:38:41.610,0:38:44.050 integrating code from the outside means 0:38:44.050,0:38:46.490 more work for everyone on the browser team. 0:38:46.490,0:38:47.910 - Apparently I must have done it backwards 0:38:47.910,0:38:50.630 from what you told me, or I don't know what 0:38:50.630,0:38:52.630 - Ok, then this is bad. 0:38:52.630,0:38:54.890 - We want to take the old free tree 0:38:54.890,0:38:56.620 and use it as subsection, 0:38:56.620,0:38:59.430 and we want to build this interesting tree around this. 0:38:59.430,0:39:00.280 - No that's not want we want to do 0:39:00.280,0:39:01.640 NS Private at the top, right? 0:39:01.640,0:39:04.050 - A project file for this or project file for that, 0:39:04.050,0:39:05.500 it can't be a project file for both. 0:39:05.500,0:39:07.940 We don't have a plan for doing both. 0:39:07.940,0:39:10.100 So right now I have some files that have 0:39:10.100,0:39:12.200 to come from here for Java in a single directory, 0:39:12.200,0:39:13.330 and some files that have to come from here 0:39:13.330,0:39:15.430 in the same directory, the same directory. 0:39:15.490,0:39:16.300 Tell me how I do that? 0:39:19.970,0:39:21.390 That's the problem. 0:39:21.390,0:39:23.720 The browser division which costs the company 0:39:23.720,0:39:26.240 almost 30 million dollars a year to operate 0:39:26.240,0:39:28.650 and contributes few revenues to the company 0:39:28.650,0:39:31.150 is reorganized in the fall for the second time 0:39:31.150,0:39:32.170 in less than a year. 0:39:32.170,0:39:33.760 Do we have all the answers: No. 0:39:33.760,0:39:35.460 We're going to try and learn what we can from 0:39:35.460,0:39:37.200 seeing the people who've done this well... 0:39:37.200,0:39:40.200 When I joined a start-up, I knew that 19 out of 20 fail. 0:39:40.460,0:39:41.880 When an employee comes 0:39:41.880,0:39:43.350 to work at Netscape today, 0:39:43.350,0:39:44.890 he doesn't have the perception 0:39:44.890,0:39:46.470 that there's a 19 out of 20 chance 0:39:46.470,0:39:48.520 that this job is not gonna be in place 0:39:48.520,0:39:49.990 1 to 5 years from now. 0:39:52.750,0:39:56.460 If you live here, it is the ubiquitous conversation 0:39:56.460,0:39:58.310 "Do you believe that Microsoft 0:39:58.310,0:40:00.210 has used either a) illegal 0:40:00.260,0:40:02.390 or just unfair methods 0:40:02.390,0:40:04.630 to take market share from Netscape?" 0:40:04.630,0:40:07.870 And if the heart and soul of this industry is 0:40:07.870,0:40:12.070 opportunity, is egalitarianism, Microsoft having 0:40:12.070,0:40:15.130 achieved its market share 0:40:15.190,0:40:18.820 on anything other than the backs of its code 0:40:18.820,0:40:22.170 really riles every body up. 0:40:22.270,0:40:25.270 Justice department has charged Microsoft 0:40:25.370,0:40:29.650 with engaging an anti-competitive and exclusionary practises 0:40:29.650,0:40:34.470 designed to maintain its monopoly in personal computer operating systems 0:40:34.830,0:40:39.460 and attempting to extend that monopoly to Internet browser software. 0:40:39.670,0:40:41.830 Regardless of its case against Microsoft, 0:40:41.870,0:40:44.660 Netscape has become a victim of its increasing size 0:40:44.690,0:40:46.570 and the growing complexities of its code, 0:40:46.670,0:40:49.160 the company struggles to maintain the vitality 0:40:49.180,0:40:51.160 it enjoyed as a start-up. 0:40:51.580,0:40:53.650 When a company gets to be above a certain size, 0:40:53.660,0:40:57.370 it's just a process, it's a mechanism for making money. 0:40:57.470,0:41:00.130 And innovation is like one possible way of doing that, 0:41:00.150,0:41:00.980 but it's a risky way. 0:41:01.010,0:41:02.670 So companies, big companies don't do that. 0:41:02.770,0:41:06.570 Um, Microsoft actually doesn't do very much, they buy companies. 0:41:06.600,0:41:08.960 They wait until someone has done something interesting and then they acquire them, 0:41:09.090,0:41:10.400 and then they milk it for all it's worth. 0:41:10.430,0:41:15.070 I don't mean to pick on Microsoft because lots of companies do that, it's just the normal way of doing business. 0:41:24.120,0:41:26.310 We're on out way to the Flint Center now. 0:41:26.780,0:41:28.230 We're going to have an all-hands meeting. 0:41:28.260,0:41:32.310 Jim Barksdale has moved up the all hands meeting by roughly about a week. 0:41:32.310,0:41:36.010 We just announce quarterly results and now this major change in direction. 0:41:38.840,0:41:43.000 Well, in case you haven't read the newspaper, 0:41:45.670,0:41:50.980 we have, as of 1:30 this morning, 0:41:52.980,0:42:02.290 concluded negotiations and agreed to sell our company to AOL of Dulles, Virginia. 0:42:06.870,0:42:10.270 I can't imagine that day when they announced the merger, 0:42:10.370,0:42:13.370 that they weren't like "Oh, I don't believe this". 0:42:13.470,0:42:16.310 You know, sort of a nightmare scenario. 0:42:16.310,0:42:17.770 Although, you know, the worst one would have been 0:42:17.770,0:42:19.770 Microsoft's buying us, I guess, you know. 0:42:19.770,0:42:21.890 Then they would have, you know you would've seen like 0:42:21.970,0:42:24.240 his this flow of cars out of Netscape 0:42:24.240,0:42:27.390 Six months ago they were insulting AOL's technology, 0:42:27.390,0:42:30.090 you know, it was the service for idiots. 0:42:30.090,0:42:31.970 "Congratulations skippy, you've got mail!" 0:42:32.370,0:42:37.770 Netscape is not unusual in the way they felt about AOL in Silicon Valley. 0:42:37.770,0:42:39.970 I mean, it's very clear that nobody 0:42:39.970,0:42:41.470 had any respect for the company. 0:42:41.470,0:42:42.950 One of them at Netscape 0:42:42.950,0:42:45.060 called Steve Case a soap salesman 0:42:45.060,0:42:47.060 because he used to work at Proctor and Gamble. 0:42:48.080,0:42:49.320 The soap salesman bought them. 0:42:50.760,0:42:54.170 The quote that came out of this article was 0:42:54.170,0:42:57.600 "Netscape: (similar lines of) lived fast, 0:42:57.600,0:42:59.570 died young, and left a tired corpse". 0:42:59.670,0:43:03.470 And I don't know they agree with that. 0:43:04.300,0:43:05.870 I don't think Netscape's done yet. 0:43:05.870,0:43:07.110 They bought us because they like us, 0:43:07.110,0:43:07.990 they like what we do, 0:43:08.260,0:43:10.640 and they don't want to disturb that formula; 0:43:11.240,0:43:13.870 so their plan is to not damage us in any way. 0:43:14.320,0:43:16.160 There had been alot of, uh, 0:43:16.230,0:43:17.940 a lot of speculation out on the net, 0:43:17.940,0:43:19.390 you know, in the free software community, like 0:43:19.390,0:43:20.820 oh well this is it, you know, 0:43:20.820,0:43:21.670 it's all over now 0:43:21.670,0:43:23.380 "AOL's just gonna screw everything up". 0:43:23.380,0:43:24.160 So I wrote this thing 0:43:24.160,0:43:25.730 that I put on the Mozilla.org site 0:43:25.730,0:43:27.810 that just laid out the worst case scenario, 0:43:27.810,0:43:28.770 like, well okay, 0:43:29.270,0:43:31.460 even if everything goes wrong 0:43:31.560,0:43:33.610 it's still not as bad as you're saying it is. 0:43:33.840,0:43:36.360 Because the nature of what Netscape did 0:43:36.360,0:43:39.990 meant that the code belongs to the community now. 0:43:40.340,0:43:42.660 Few days later I got email from Steve Case, 0:43:42.660,0:43:44.580 saying, um, we think that you're doing is great thing 0:43:44.580,0:43:45.690 and it's part of the reason we bought the company 0:43:45.690,0:43:47.390 we plan to keep it going that way, so 0:43:47.850,0:43:52.190 um, as far as Mozilla.org and Netscape and AOL's contribution 0:43:52.350,0:43:55.750 to the open-source movement goes, 0:43:55.750,0:43:57.270 he says, it's gonna continue... 0:43:58.330,0:44:01.710 The merger with AOL creates a windfall for shareholders 0:44:01.710,0:44:05.560 that will give Netscape employees the chance to cash out and move on, 0:44:05.660,0:44:07.920 causing speculation in the national media 0:44:07.920,0:44:11.760 about AOL's ability to retain Netscape's key people. 0:44:12.660,0:44:14.260 And already I hear, you know, 0:44:14.260,0:44:16.240 that AOL people come at Netscape and say, 0:44:16.240,0:44:17.570 yeah this is the AOL way. 0:44:17.570,0:44:19.670 It's not gonna work at Netscape. 0:44:19.670,0:44:22.900 It's gonna be the Netscape way with help from AOL! 0:44:22.900,0:44:24.650 I suspect some of them will leave. 0:44:24.650,0:44:26.800 You know, they don't want to be part of AOL. 0:44:26.900,0:44:29.110 Some people just like the start-up mentality. 0:44:29.270,0:44:32.000 And those that want to be part of a juggernaut 0:44:32.000,0:44:33.920 are going to stay and be part of the juggernaut. 0:44:34.280,0:44:38.010 I've been at Netscape for 3 and a half years and it feels like forever. 0:44:38.400,0:44:44.190 And AOL's focus and Netscape's growing focus has been marketing and advertising, 0:44:44.190,0:44:45.230 all that stuff, and that's 0:44:45.960,0:44:48.540 not nearly as interesting 0:44:48.540,0:44:50.800 to someone who's sort of a techno-fetishist. 0:44:50.900,0:44:53.290 I'm switching jobs and selling my house, 0:44:53.290,0:44:55.000 I'm moving, switching towns... 0:44:56.670,0:45:00.100 That's life for start-up land. 0:45:01.200,0:45:03.150 I'm still young and stupid as I like to put it, 0:45:03.150,0:45:05.050 so I can get away with that stuff like that. 0:45:06.190,0:45:10.120 Year and a half ago, so Tara comes to me she says 0:45:10.120,0:45:13.570 "I want to be a manager so bad, that I can taste it". 0:45:13.570,0:45:17.560 So we finally said alright, you get to be a manager. 0:45:17.560,0:45:20.550 And like within a week she said 0:45:20.550,0:45:22.750 "Why did you ever let me do this?" 0:45:25.750,0:45:30.100 And Tara has turned out to be like one of Netscape's greatest managers. 0:45:30.200,0:45:34.200 So here is to Tara, release team manager. 0:45:34.710,0:45:37.550 Tara leaves Netscape for an e-commerce start-up, 0:45:37.550,0:45:40.640 missing out on a big jump in the value of her stock options 0:45:40.640,0:45:42.950 in hopes for a bigger pay out at her new company. 0:45:52.760,0:45:57.700 Regardless of how AOL runs the Netscape business, 0:45:57.800,0:45:59.980 it's not Netscape anymore - that part's over. 0:45:59.980,0:46:01.800 And you know, that's really sad 0:46:01.800,0:46:04.230 I wish Netscape could have gone it on their own. 0:46:04.270,0:46:08.500 Frustrated by what he perceives as a lack of commitment to open-source development, 0:46:08.600,0:46:12.600 Jamie quits Netscape one year to the day he helped to give away Mozilla. 0:46:13.350,0:46:16.200 The movie Hackers I think is just a great movie. 0:46:16.300,0:46:18.000 I wish our lives were like that, 0:46:18.000,0:46:21.150 I wish we were roller skating around in spandex and fighting bad guys, 0:46:21.150,0:46:25.650 but you know it's not it's sitting in a room and typing all day. 0:46:28.150,0:46:31.740 This is what I was trying to escape, this life. 0:46:31.740,0:46:33.940 I knew I did not want to live here. 0:46:36.460,0:46:38.750 I've been out here now about four of five years. 0:46:38.750,0:46:43.500 This is a nice place. This is escape from the jungle. 0:46:48.600,0:46:53.070 Jim Roskind is promoted to Netscape's highest engineering rank. 0:46:53.990,0:46:55.940 Last night I was here at four in the morning, 0:46:55.990,0:46:59.200 and this isn't even in the middle of a critical push. 0:46:59.300,0:47:01.840 But it's almost like an addiction, an adrenaline rush, 0:47:01.840,0:47:03.900 a going for perfection, a pushing. 0:47:03.900,0:47:08.490 And then as you see the results, you get the feedback to push harder. 0:47:12.960,0:47:14.990 You know I really shouldn't comment on this 0:47:14.990,0:47:16.380 since I'm just as foolish as everyone else is 0:47:16.380,0:47:18.070 but I'll just go ahead and do it while admitting that I'm foolish, 0:47:18.070,0:47:20.900 there's just a tremendous quest for material wealth here. 0:47:21.000,0:47:23.200 It's like the goldrush all over again. 0:47:24.100,0:47:26.400 And this is gonna be the playhouse. 0:47:26.500,0:47:29.210 And then this will be like a front porch I think a little flowers and stuff. 0:47:29.210,0:47:30.670 So it will be like a cute little house. 0:47:30.900,0:47:34.800 I went to Netscape because its main purpose was to generate cash, 0:47:34.900,0:47:36.500 based on this Internet thing. 0:47:36.500,0:47:38.580 It's like what we're gonna do, we're gonna get rich. 0:47:38.580,0:47:41.880 It just took a heavy toll on our marriage, 0:47:41.880,0:47:44.500 and, if it wasn't for God's grace, 0:47:44.600,0:47:46.040 we wouldn't have made it. 0:47:46.100,0:47:49.440 "Why would I use god gives" 0:47:50.000,0:47:51.800 Micheal burned out. 0:47:51.900,0:47:57.030 Micheal, came to a place, in his own life where he said the cost is too great, 0:47:57.030,0:47:59.190 I'm not gonna do it anymore. 0:47:59.770,0:48:02.480 If people are - would look at this and say oh 0:48:02.480,0:48:04.980 hey this is a cool thing, I'm gonna start a start-up 0:48:04.980,0:48:06.750 and get rich quick 0:48:06.750,0:48:08.360 I would just have to say 0:48:08.360,0:48:09.740 you need to count the costs 0:48:10.090,0:48:13.370 because you can't ever retrieve the time that's lost. 0:48:13.960,0:48:15.270 Michael Toy 0:48:15.270,0:48:17.100 Netscape employee number 6 0:48:17.100,0:48:19.300 achieved his goal of financial independance 0:48:19.300,0:48:22.950 and retired from Netscape shortly after Mozilla's release. 0:48:29.120,0:48:30.330 In the Valley, 0:48:30.330,0:48:33.690 if you've stayed someplace longer than about three years 0:48:33.690,0:48:35.220 people wonder what's going on? 0:48:35.220,0:48:37.220 Why can't you get another job, what's wrong with you? 0:48:37.220,0:48:39.220 If you're a programmer, you pretty much change jobs 0:48:39.220,0:48:41.220 about every two years or so. 0:48:42.060,0:48:43.220 It's like ants, 0:48:43.220,0:48:43.880 worker ants. 0:48:43.880,0:48:45.880 They send out a group out to do something. 0:48:45.880,0:48:47.660 As that group approaches 0:48:47.660,0:48:48.970 the task that they're gonna do 0:48:48.970,0:48:50.970 some ants leave, more ants come on 0:48:50.970,0:48:53.020 By the time it gets to the target 0:48:53.020,0:48:54.500 it could be a totally different set of ants 0:48:54.720,0:48:58.520 I think as we distribute the set of work that we're doing 0:48:58.520,0:49:00.520 and more and more, in the Information Age 0:49:01.490,0:49:02.620 it'll be more like that. 0:49:03.340,0:49:07.110 Scott Collins continues to commute to Netscape from Michigan. 0:49:11.440,0:49:12.820 There's lot of pressure right now 0:49:12.820,0:49:14.820 to complete our product on time. 0:49:15.260,0:49:17.480 Um, sort of wade in with 0:49:17.710,0:49:21.430 the ridiculous acrobatics the stock is doing. 0:49:21.750,0:49:23.430 We were a 20$ company 0:49:23.430,0:49:26.820 and as of this moment our stock is at 172$. 0:49:27.310,0:49:29.880 So it's hard to be depressed about the amount of work 0:49:29.880,0:49:31.560 you have to do when 0:49:31.560,0:49:33.560 every other cube holds a millionnaire. 0:49:35.460,0:49:38.910 When the deal with AOL closes in the Spring of 1999 0:49:38.910,0:49:43.130 the value of Netscape's stock more than doubled since the merger's announcement. 0:49:44.290,0:49:45.820 Netscape married right. 0:49:46.320,0:49:49.260 They hitched their fortunes to AOL 0:49:49.260,0:49:51.260 when the transaction was announced, 0:49:51.380,0:49:54.840 the implied valuation was about 4.2 billion 0:49:54.980,0:49:56.840 when transaction was completed, 0:49:57.230,0:50:00.170 the transaction was valued at 10 billion. 0:50:00.170,0:50:04.340 So in effect about 5.5 or 6 billion dollars 0:50:04.340,0:50:06.640 of net worth was created 0:50:06.640,0:50:10.460 so I think it was the very clever deal-making 0:50:10.460,0:50:13.890 of Netscape management that kept them in the game 0:50:13.890,0:50:18.560 much longer and Netscape's shareholders benefited quite considerably. 0:50:19.520,0:50:20.730 Mo- 0:50:20.780,0:50:21.870 -zill- 0:50:21.870,0:50:22.950 -la 0:50:22.950,0:50:24.290 lives! 0:50:24.290,0:50:26.440 While many executives sold their stock 0:50:26.440,0:50:28.040 during Netscape's final year 0:50:28.040,0:50:29.620 Barksdale bought more 0:50:29.620,0:50:31.890 and after the merger he swapped his shares 0:50:31.890,0:50:35.000 for more than half a billion dollars of AOL stock. 0:50:39.100,0:50:40.900 Another young man comes west 0:50:40.900,0:50:44.210 to seek his fortune on technology's new frontier. 0:50:44.210,0:50:46.900 I'm a little bit nervous going into this interview, 0:50:46.900,0:50:50.310 cause I'm not entirely sure what to expect. 0:50:50.310,0:50:52.180 It's a long way away 0:50:52.180,0:50:54.060 Three thousand miles 0:50:54.060,0:50:57.270 is a long way for your child to be 0:50:57.270,0:51:02.360 But this is a place where there's a lot going on that 0:51:02.360,0:51:04.410 he's very interested in and I think 0:51:04.410,0:51:06.410 has some talents in this area. 0:51:06.410,0:51:09.470 And I really think that this may be 0:51:10.430,0:51:13.170 kind of home for him as far as 0:51:13.170,0:51:15.170 being able to work with people 0:51:15.170,0:51:17.510 that he can actually talk to. 0:51:23.270,0:51:24.950 - Pavlov! 0:51:27.510,0:51:29.390 - What I want to know is, 0:51:29.510,0:51:30.870 what you want to do 0:51:30.870,0:51:33.640 I mean, what your goals are in the next couple of years? 0:51:33.640,0:51:35.040 - My goal right now 0:51:35.040,0:51:38.700 is that I want to see the UNIX version faster than the Windows version. 0:51:39.560,0:51:41.070 Once you pull that off, 0:51:41.070,0:51:43.260 then, you know, we'll see. 0:51:43.310,0:51:44.280 But that's my goal. 0:51:45.730,0:51:47.860 Pavlov is hired by Netscape. 0:51:47.860,0:51:50.150 He postpones going to college. 0:51:52.370,0:51:55.060 Taking part in what one investor has called the largest 0:51:55.060,0:51:57.730 legal creation of wealth in the history of the planet, 0:51:57.730,0:52:00.590 David Readerman moves to a new investment bank. 0:52:04.300,0:52:05.580 Here's the data center, 0:52:05.580,0:52:08.170 a lot of cable, a lot of fiber. 0:52:08.350,0:52:12.270 These can be sort of, you know, Internet connections 0:52:12.320,0:52:14.790 they can be our trading lines, our phone lines. 0:52:14.790,0:52:17.780 You know we're lying the infrastructure 0:52:17.780,0:52:21.040 to basically build a major merchant bank. 0:52:21.580,0:52:24.520 Our view is that the Internet changes everything 0:52:24.520,0:52:26.840 and we're going to finance the companies 0:52:26.840,0:52:29.330 that want to be the agents of that change. 0:52:36.860,0:52:38.040 Look at this intersection, 0:52:38.040,0:52:40.320 we've got a bank here, 0:52:40.320,0:52:42.980 in two years you know this may not be here, 0:52:42.980,0:52:45.330 why not bank online? 0:52:47.520,0:52:49.150 Gap's website 0:52:49.150,0:52:52.590 is one of the most successful commerce websites 0:52:52.590,0:52:54.590 on the market. 0:52:56.070,0:52:59.030 I don't even know why Gap's renovating this store? 0:52:59.030,0:53:01.600 Why aren't they investing more in their website? 0:53:03.370,0:53:06.480 I don't know what this intersection may look two years from now. 0:53:09.230,0:53:11.180 When I started people didn't know what HTML was, 0:53:11.180,0:53:12.880 what the World Wide Web was, and then all of a sudden 0:53:12.880,0:53:14.880 the power of the Internet that had been there 0:53:14.880,0:53:17.130 for years was available to everybody 0:53:17.250,0:53:20.330 in an easy way, Point & click, the universal language. 0:53:20.330,0:53:23.770 It's like in Fantasia when Mickey is standing over 0:53:23.840,0:53:25.400 the book that's open on the mountain, 0:53:25.400,0:53:26.510 and he's looking in to see what to do 0:53:26.510,0:53:28.510 and he does something. And he doesn't really know what he does 0:53:28.750,0:53:29.890 but it makes something happen. 0:53:29.890,0:53:32.260 And of course this thing gets out of control and keeps going. 0:53:32.280,0:53:33.990 You don't know why it works, you don't know how it works, 0:53:33.990,0:53:35.790 you just push a button and it works. 0:53:35.790,0:53:37.810 We're at the beginning of an industry and 0:53:37.810,0:53:39.810 who knows where that industry's gonna go? 0:53:39.810,0:53:41.890 This could all turn into television again. 0:53:41.890,0:53:44.580 It could be controlled by a small number of 0:53:45.860,0:53:48.180 companies who decide what we see and hear. 0:53:48.180,0:53:50.180 And there's a lot of precedent for that. 0:53:51.340,0:53:53.510 I'm just laying down the tracks 0:53:53.510,0:53:55.510 and there were these trains zooming by me, 0:53:55.510,0:53:57.440 and there's no way I'd want to say it's a 0:53:57.440,0:53:59.440 bad thing to have these trains fly by. 0:54:00.380,0:54:01.860 I could be a horrible legacy. 0:54:01.860,0:54:04.230 If it ended up being a legacy of, 0:54:04.230,0:54:06.600 you know, Netscape and the Internet, 0:54:07.360,0:54:09.070 that we could all like, 0:54:10.200,0:54:11.680 do what we're doing only under 0:54:11.680,0:54:13.360 much more intense pressure and 0:54:13.680,0:54:14.720 much faster. 0:54:17.090,0:54:18.450 Everything has to change faster, 0:54:18.450,0:54:20.150 obviously, you know, look at Netscape. 0:54:20.150,0:54:22.150 It was born and died. 0:54:22.150,0:54:23.950 I don't want to use the word "died", they wouldn't like that word. 0:54:23.950,0:54:26.300 But basically it was born and overtaken 0:54:26.300,0:54:27.760 within four years. 0:54:27.760,0:54:30.050 That's pretty fast, I think. 0:54:30.400,0:54:31.830 They must think it's very fast. 0:54:31.830,0:54:33.830 Near the end of 1999, 0:54:33.830,0:54:35.510 the public still awaits Netscape's 0:54:35.510,0:54:37.510 first open source browser, 0:54:37.510,0:54:39.980 more than a year after Mozilla was released. 0:54:40.270,0:54:42.120 The judge and the justice department 0:54:42.120,0:54:44.440 end a trust trial rules that Microsoft 0:54:44.470,0:54:46.770 is a monopoly, it stiffles innovation. 0:54:46.770,0:54:48.570 AOL begins the millenium 0:54:48.590,0:54:50.620 with a new even larger aquisition, 0:54:50.620,0:54:53.430 and investors continue buying technology stocks, 0:54:53.430,0:54:56.220 which trade with increasing volatility. 0:54:56.860,0:54:59.280 Still as the Internet finds its way 0:54:59.280,0:55:01.060 into every corner of daily life, 0:55:01.060,0:55:03.180 so, too will legions of programmers 0:55:03.180,0:55:05.380 and their code, working fast 0:55:05.380,0:55:07.380 and late into the night.