WEBVTT 00:00:00.917 --> 00:00:06.393 I want to talk today about how reading can change our lives 00:00:06.417 --> 00:00:08.792 and about the limits of that change. 00:00:09.750 --> 00:00:14.018 I want to talk to you about how reading can give us a shareable world 00:00:14.042 --> 00:00:16.750 of powerful human connection. 00:00:17.833 --> 00:00:21.393 But also about how that connection is always partial. 00:00:21.417 --> 00:00:26.500 How reading is ultimately a lonely, idiosyncratic undertaking. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:27.625 --> 00:00:30.476 The writer who changed my life 00:00:30.500 --> 00:00:34.934 was the great African American novelist James Baldwin. 00:00:34.958 --> 00:00:38.226 When I was growing up in Western Michigan in the 1980s, 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:42.167 there weren't many Asian American writers interested in social change. 00:00:43.292 --> 00:00:46.518 And so I think I turned to James Baldwin 00:00:46.542 --> 00:00:50.583 as a way to fill this void, as a way to feel racially conscious. 00:00:51.958 --> 00:00:55.934 But perhaps because I knew I wasn't myself African American, 00:00:55.958 --> 00:01:00.476 I also felt challenged and indicted by his words. 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:02.625 Especially these words: 00:01:03.458 --> 00:01:07.059 "There are liberals who have all the proper attitudes, 00:01:07.083 --> 00:01:09.042 but no real convictions. 00:01:10.083 --> 00:01:14.018 When the chips are down and you somehow expect them to deliver, 00:01:14.042 --> 00:01:16.518 they are somehow not there." 00:01:16.542 --> 00:01:19.351 They are somehow not there. 00:01:19.375 --> 00:01:21.726 I took those words very literally. 00:01:21.750 --> 00:01:23.458 Where should I put myself? NOTE Paragraph 00:01:24.500 --> 00:01:26.518 I went to the Mississippi Delta, 00:01:26.542 --> 00:01:29.684 one of the poorest regions in the United States. 00:01:29.708 --> 00:01:32.601 This is a place shaped by a powerful history. 00:01:32.625 --> 00:01:37.768 In the 1960s, African Americans risked their lives to fight for education, 00:01:37.792 --> 00:01:39.500 to fight for the right to vote. 00:01:40.625 --> 00:01:43.059 I wanted to be a part of that change, 00:01:43.083 --> 00:01:46.792 to help young teenagers graduate and go to college. 00:01:48.250 --> 00:01:50.976 When I got to the Mississippi Delta, 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.434 it was a place that was still poor, 00:01:53.458 --> 00:01:55.184 still segregated, 00:01:55.208 --> 00:01:57.750 still dramatically in need of change. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:58.958 --> 00:02:02.393 My school, where I was placed, 00:02:02.417 --> 00:02:06.726 had no library, no guidance counselor, 00:02:06.750 --> 00:02:09.726 but it did have a police officer. 00:02:09.750 --> 00:02:12.309 Half the teachers were substitutes 00:02:12.333 --> 00:02:14.309 and when students got into fights, 00:02:14.333 --> 00:02:18.208 the school would send them to the local county jail. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:20.250 --> 00:02:23.226 This is the school where I met Patrick. 00:02:23.250 --> 00:02:28.184 He was 15 and held back twice, he was in the eighth grade. 00:02:28.208 --> 00:02:30.684 He was quiet, introspective, 00:02:30.708 --> 00:02:33.518 like he was always in deep thought. 00:02:33.542 --> 00:02:36.333 And he hated seeing other people fight. 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:41.309 I saw him once jump between two girls when they got into a fight 00:02:41.333 --> 00:02:44.042 and he got himself knocked to the ground. 00:02:45.375 --> 00:02:47.893 Patrick had just one problem. 00:02:47.917 --> 00:02:49.708 He wouldn't come to school. 00:02:51.249 --> 00:02:53.726 He said that sometimes school was just too depressing 00:02:53.750 --> 00:02:56.792 because people were always fighting and teachers were quitting. 00:02:58.042 --> 00:03:03.500 And also, his mother worked two jobs and was just too tired to make him come. 00:03:04.417 --> 00:03:07.184 So I made it my job to get him to come to school. 00:03:07.208 --> 00:03:11.268 And because I was crazy and 22 and zealously optimistic, 00:03:11.292 --> 00:03:13.434 my strategy was just to show up at his house 00:03:13.458 --> 00:03:15.583 and say, "Hey, why don't you come to school?" 00:03:16.542 --> 00:03:18.184 And this strategy actually worked, 00:03:18.208 --> 00:03:20.643 he started to come to school every day. 00:03:20.667 --> 00:03:23.059 And he started to flourish in my class. 00:03:23.083 --> 00:03:26.000 He was writing poetry, he was reading books. 00:03:26.917 --> 00:03:29.208 He was coming to school every day. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:31.042 --> 00:03:32.518 Around the same time 00:03:32.542 --> 00:03:35.226 that I had figured out how to connect to Patrick, 00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:37.458 I got into law school at Harvard. 00:03:39.583 --> 00:03:42.934 I once again faced this question, where should I put myself, 00:03:42.958 --> 00:03:44.667 where do I put my body? 00:03:45.458 --> 00:03:48.101 And I thought to myself 00:03:48.125 --> 00:03:51.643 that the Mississippi Delta was a place where people with money, 00:03:51.667 --> 00:03:53.559 people with opportunity, 00:03:53.583 --> 00:03:54.833 those people leave. 00:03:55.875 --> 00:03:57.309 And the people who stay behind 00:03:57.333 --> 00:03:59.833 are the people who don't have the chance to leave. 00:04:00.833 --> 00:04:03.101 I didn't want to be a person who left. 00:04:03.125 --> 00:04:05.167 I wanted to be a person who stayed. 00:04:06.333 --> 00:04:09.268 On the other hand, I was lonely and tired. 00:04:09.292 --> 00:04:12.750 And so I convinced myself that I could do more change 00:04:14.125 --> 00:04:17.708 on a larger scale if I had a prestigious law degree. 00:04:19.541 --> 00:04:20.791 So I left. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:24.351 Three years later, 00:04:24.375 --> 00:04:26.768 when I was about to graduate from law school, 00:04:26.792 --> 00:04:28.518 my friend called me 00:04:28.542 --> 00:04:33.458 and told me that Patrick had got into a fight and killed someone. 00:04:35.333 --> 00:04:37.393 I was devastated. 00:04:37.417 --> 00:04:39.851 Part of me didn't believe it, 00:04:39.875 --> 00:04:42.542 but part of me also knew that it was true. 00:04:43.583 --> 00:04:45.583 I flew down to see Patrick. 00:04:46.750 --> 00:04:49.458 I visited him in jail. 00:04:50.542 --> 00:04:54.184 And he told me that it was true. 00:04:54.208 --> 00:04:56.601 That he had killed someone. 00:04:56.625 --> 00:04:58.875 And he didn't want to talk more about it. 00:04:59.833 --> 00:05:01.851 I asked him what had happened with school 00:05:01.875 --> 00:05:06.018 and he said that he had dropped out the year after I left. 00:05:06.042 --> 00:05:08.684 And then he wanted to tell me something else. 00:05:08.708 --> 00:05:11.976 He looked down and he said that he had had a baby daughter 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.768 who was just born. 00:05:13.792 --> 00:05:16.375 And he felt like he had let her down. 00:05:18.625 --> 00:05:22.000 That was it, our conversation was rushed and awkward. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:23.417 --> 00:05:28.476 When I stepped outside the jail, a voice inside me said, 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:29.768 "Come back. 00:05:29.792 --> 00:05:33.083 If you don't come back now, you'll never come back." 00:05:36.292 --> 00:05:39.875 So I graduated from law school and I went back. 00:05:40.833 --> 00:05:42.518 I went back to see Patrick, 00:05:42.542 --> 00:05:45.500 I went back to see if I could help him with his legal case. 00:05:46.917 --> 00:05:50.268 And this time, when I saw him a second time, 00:05:50.292 --> 00:05:52.559 I thought I had this great idea, I said, 00:05:52.583 --> 00:05:56.184 "Hey, Patrick, why don't you write a letter to your daughter, 00:05:56.208 --> 00:05:59.976 so that you can keep her on your mind?" 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.684 And I handed him a pen and a piece of paper, 00:06:03.708 --> 00:06:05.333 and he started to write. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:06.542 --> 00:06:09.351 But when I saw the paper that he handed back to me, 00:06:09.375 --> 00:06:10.708 I was shocked. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.101 I didn't recognize his handwriting, 00:06:15.125 --> 00:06:17.958 he had made simple spelling mistakes. 00:06:19.167 --> 00:06:21.851 And I thought to myself that as a teacher, 00:06:21.875 --> 00:06:25.351 I knew that a student could dramatically improve 00:06:25.375 --> 00:06:28.434 in a very quick amount of time, 00:06:28.458 --> 00:06:32.125 but I never thought that a student could dramatically regress. 00:06:34.375 --> 00:06:36.268 What even pained me more, 00:06:36.292 --> 00:06:39.476 was seeing what he had written to his daughter. 00:06:39.500 --> 00:06:40.893 He had written, 00:06:40.917 --> 00:06:45.208 "I'm sorry for my mistakes, I'm sorry for not being there for you." 00:06:46.458 --> 00:06:49.292 And this was all he felt he had to say to her. 00:06:50.250 --> 00:06:54.559 And I asked myself how can I convince him that he has more to say, 00:06:54.583 --> 00:06:58.000 parts of himself that he doesn't need to apologize for. 00:06:58.958 --> 00:07:00.226 I wanted him to feel 00:07:00.250 --> 00:07:04.208 that he had something worthwhile to share with his daughter. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:05.917 --> 00:07:09.101 For every day the next seven months, 00:07:09.125 --> 00:07:11.809 I visited him and brought books. 00:07:11.833 --> 00:07:15.684 My tote bag became a little library. 00:07:15.708 --> 00:07:17.768 I brought James Baldwin, 00:07:17.792 --> 00:07:22.684 I brought Walt Whitman, C.S. Lewis. 00:07:22.708 --> 00:07:27.518 I brought guidebooks to trees, to birds, 00:07:27.542 --> 00:07:30.750 and what would become his favorite book, the dictionary. 00:07:31.667 --> 00:07:33.351 On some days, 00:07:33.375 --> 00:07:37.167 we would sit for hours in silence, both of us reading. 00:07:38.083 --> 00:07:39.934 And on other days, 00:07:39.958 --> 00:07:43.476 we would read together, we would read poetry. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:43.500 --> 00:07:47.393 We started by reading haikus, hundreds of haikus, 00:07:47.417 --> 00:07:50.309 a deceptively simple masterpiece. 00:07:50.333 --> 00:07:53.143 And I would ask him, "Share with me your favorite haikus." 00:07:53.167 --> 00:07:56.226 And some of them are quite funny. 00:07:56.250 --> 00:07:58.101 So there's this by Issa: 00:07:58.125 --> 00:08:01.833 "Don't worry, spiders, I keep house casually." 00:08:02.750 --> 00:08:07.292 And this: "Napped half the day, no one punished me!" 00:08:08.667 --> 00:08:13.101 And this gorgeous one, which is about the first day of snow falling, 00:08:13.125 --> 00:08:17.583 "Deer licking first frost from each other's coats." 00:08:19.250 --> 00:08:22.268 There's something mysterious and gorgeous 00:08:22.292 --> 00:08:24.934 just about the way a poem looks. 00:08:24.958 --> 00:08:29.583 The empty space is as important as the words themselves. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:31.375 --> 00:08:33.893 We read this poem by W.S. Merwin, 00:08:33.917 --> 00:08:38.143 which he wrote after he saw his wife working in the garden 00:08:38.167 --> 00:08:42.042 and realized that they would spend the rest of their lives together. 00:08:43.167 --> 00:08:45.518 "Let me imagine that we will come again 00:08:45.542 --> 00:08:48.934 when we want to and it will be spring 00:08:48.958 --> 00:08:52.143 We will be no older than we ever were 00:08:52.167 --> 00:08:56.101 The worn griefs will have eased like the early cloud 00:08:56.125 --> 00:08:59.893 through which morning slowly comes to itself" 00:08:59.917 --> 00:09:03.309 I asked Patrick what his favorite line was, and he said, 00:09:03.333 --> 00:09:06.875 "We will be no older than we ever were." 00:09:08.375 --> 00:09:12.809 He said it reminded him of a place where time just stops, 00:09:12.833 --> 00:09:15.768 where time doesn't matter anymore. 00:09:15.792 --> 00:09:17.851 And I asked him if he had a place like that, 00:09:17.875 --> 00:09:20.268 where time lasts forever. 00:09:20.292 --> 00:09:21.958 And he said, "My mother." 00:09:23.875 --> 00:09:28.184 When you read a poem alongside someone else, 00:09:28.208 --> 00:09:30.083 the poem changes in meaning. 00:09:31.333 --> 00:09:36.000 Because it becomes personal to that person, becomes personal to you. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:40.184 We then read books, we read so many books, 00:09:40.208 --> 00:09:43.351 we read the memoir of Frederick Douglass, 00:09:43.375 --> 00:09:46.976 an American slave who taught himself to read and write 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.333 and who escaped to freedom because of his literacy. 00:09:51.875 --> 00:09:54.518 I had grown up thinking of Frederick Douglass as a hero 00:09:54.542 --> 00:09:57.750 and I thought of this story as one of uplift and hope. 00:09:58.917 --> 00:10:01.750 But this book put Patrick in a kind of panic. 00:10:02.875 --> 00:10:07.934 He fixated on a story Douglass told of how, over Christmas, 00:10:07.958 --> 00:10:11.059 masters give slaves gin 00:10:11.083 --> 00:10:14.559 as a way to prove to them that they can't handle freedom. 00:10:14.583 --> 00:10:17.375 Because slaves would be stumbling on the fields. 00:10:19.500 --> 00:10:21.500 Patrick said he related to this. 00:10:22.333 --> 00:10:25.809 He said that there are people in jail who, like slaves, 00:10:25.833 --> 00:10:28.059 don't want to think about their condition, 00:10:28.083 --> 00:10:29.893 because it's too painful. 00:10:29.917 --> 00:10:32.101 Too painful to think about the past, 00:10:32.125 --> 00:10:35.458 too painful to think about how far we have to go. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:36.958 --> 00:10:39.851 His favorite line was this line: 00:10:39.875 --> 00:10:43.476 "Anything, no matter what, to get rid of thinking! 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:48.542 It was this everlasting thinking of my condition that tormented me." 00:10:49.958 --> 00:10:53.917 Patrick said that Douglass was brave to write, to keep thinking. 00:10:55.083 --> 00:11:00.643 But Patrick would never know how much he seemed like Douglass to me. 00:11:00.667 --> 00:11:04.417 How he kept reading, even though it put him in a panic. 00:11:05.250 --> 00:11:08.309 He finished the book before I did, 00:11:08.333 --> 00:11:12.042 reading it in a concrete stairway with no light. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:13.583 --> 00:11:16.309 And then we went on to read one of my favorite books, 00:11:16.333 --> 00:11:18.518 Marilynne Robinson's "Gilead," 00:11:18.542 --> 00:11:22.684 which is an extended letter from a father to his son. 00:11:22.708 --> 00:11:25.059 He loved this line: 00:11:25.083 --> 00:11:27.268 "I'm writing this in part to tell you 00:11:27.292 --> 00:11:30.601 that if you ever wonder what you've done in your life ... 00:11:30.625 --> 00:11:32.643 you have been God's grace to me, 00:11:32.667 --> 00:11:35.833 a miracle, something more than a miracle." NOTE Paragraph 00:11:37.375 --> 00:11:43.018 Something about this language, its love, its longing, its voice, 00:11:43.042 --> 00:11:45.500 rekindled Patrick's desire to write. 00:11:46.292 --> 00:11:49.393 And he would fill notebooks upon notebooks 00:11:49.417 --> 00:11:52.726 with letters to his daughter. 00:11:52.750 --> 00:11:55.684 In these beautiful, intricate letters, 00:11:55.708 --> 00:12:01.684 he would imagine him and his daughter going canoeing down the Mississippi river. 00:12:01.708 --> 00:12:04.518 He would imagine them finding a mountain stream 00:12:04.542 --> 00:12:06.708 with perfectly clear water. 00:12:08.042 --> 00:12:10.083 As I watched Patrick write, 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:13.393 I though to myself, 00:12:13.417 --> 00:12:15.476 and I now ask all of you, 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:20.792 how many of you have written a letter to somebody you feel you have let down? 00:12:22.042 --> 00:12:27.125 It is just much easier to put those people out of your mind. 00:12:28.083 --> 00:12:32.726 But Patrick showed up every day, facing his daughter, 00:12:32.750 --> 00:12:35.684 holding himself accountable to her, 00:12:35.708 --> 00:12:39.417 word by word with intense concentration. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:42.417 --> 00:12:44.958 I wanted in my own life 00:12:46.042 --> 00:12:49.101 to put myself at risk in that way. 00:12:49.125 --> 00:12:52.750 Because that risk reveals the strength of one's heart. 00:12:56.625 --> 00:13:00.684 Let me take a step back and just ask an uncomfortable question. 00:13:00.708 --> 00:13:04.417 Who am I to tell this story, as in this Patrick story? 00:13:06.042 --> 00:13:09.018 Patrick's the one who lived with this pain 00:13:09.042 --> 00:13:13.208 and I have never been hungry a day in my life. 00:13:15.250 --> 00:13:17.018 I thought about this question a lot, 00:13:17.042 --> 00:13:20.768 but what I want to say is that this story is not just about Patrick. 00:13:20.792 --> 00:13:22.309 It's about us, 00:13:22.333 --> 00:13:24.833 it's about the inequality between us. 00:13:25.667 --> 00:13:27.083 The world of plenty 00:13:28.375 --> 00:13:32.018 that Patrick and his parents and his grandparents 00:13:32.042 --> 00:13:33.851 have been shut out of. 00:13:33.875 --> 00:13:36.958 In this story, I represent that world of plenty. 00:13:37.792 --> 00:13:41.601 And in telling this story, I didn't want to hide myself. 00:13:41.625 --> 00:13:44.292 Hide the power that I do have. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:45.333 --> 00:13:48.893 In telling this story, I wanted to expose that power 00:13:48.917 --> 00:13:51.309 and then to ask, 00:13:51.333 --> 00:13:54.250 how do we diminish the distance between us? 00:13:56.250 --> 00:13:59.851 Reading is one way to close that distance. 00:13:59.875 --> 00:14:04.309 It gives us a quiet universe that we can share together, 00:14:04.333 --> 00:14:06.583 that we can share in equally. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:08.500 --> 00:14:11.601 You're probably wondering now what happened to Patrick. 00:14:11.625 --> 00:14:13.333 Did reading save his life? 00:14:14.583 --> 00:14:16.708 It did and it didn't. 00:14:17.875 --> 00:14:20.768 When Patrick got out of prison, 00:14:20.792 --> 00:14:23.125 his journey was excruciating. 00:14:24.292 --> 00:14:27.768 Employers turned him away because of his record, 00:14:27.792 --> 00:14:30.934 his best friend, his mother, died at age 43 00:14:30.958 --> 00:14:33.434 from heart disease and diabetes. 00:14:33.458 --> 00:14:36.167 He's been homeless, he's been hungry. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:42.792 So people say a lot of things about reading that feel exaggerated to me. 00:14:43.792 --> 00:14:47.768 Being literate didn't stop him form being discriminated against. 00:14:47.792 --> 00:14:50.417 It didn't stop his mother from dying. 00:14:51.708 --> 00:14:54.083 So what can reading do? 00:14:55.375 --> 00:14:59.333 I have a few answers to end with today. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:00.667 --> 00:15:03.417 Reading charged his inner life 00:15:05.083 --> 00:15:08.143 with mystery, with imagination, 00:15:08.167 --> 00:15:09.417 with beauty. 00:15:10.292 --> 00:15:14.625 Reading gave him images that gave him joy: 00:15:15.417 --> 00:15:20.976 mountain, ocean, deer, frost. 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.125 Words that taste of a free, natural world. 00:15:27.625 --> 00:15:31.143 Reading gave him a language for what he had lost. 00:15:31.167 --> 00:15:35.809 How precious are these lines from the poet Derek Walcott? 00:15:35.833 --> 00:15:38.059 Patrick memorized this poem. 00:15:38.083 --> 00:15:40.184 "Days that I have held, 00:15:40.208 --> 00:15:42.476 days that I have lost, 00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:45.726 days that outgrow, like daughters, 00:15:45.750 --> 00:15:47.583 my harboring arms." NOTE Paragraph 00:15:48.667 --> 00:15:51.643 Reading taught him his own courage. 00:15:51.667 --> 00:15:54.976 Remember that he kept reading Frederick Douglass, 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.143 even though it was painful. 00:15:57.167 --> 00:16:00.875 He kept being conscious, even though being conscious hurts. 00:16:02.208 --> 00:16:04.768 Reading is a form of thinking, 00:16:04.792 --> 00:16:08.851 that's why it's difficult to read because we have to think. 00:16:08.875 --> 00:16:13.125 And Patrick chose to think, rather than to not think. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.958 And last, reading gave him a language to speak to his daughter. 00:16:21.375 --> 00:16:24.601 Reading inspired him to want to write. 00:16:24.625 --> 00:16:28.768 The link between reading and writing is so powerful. 00:16:28.792 --> 00:16:30.851 When we begin to read, 00:16:30.875 --> 00:16:32.958 we begin to find the words. 00:16:33.958 --> 00:16:38.601 And he found the words to imagine the two of them together. 00:16:38.625 --> 00:16:40.333 He found the words 00:16:41.958 --> 00:16:44.208 to tell her how much he loved her. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:46.042 --> 00:16:49.976 Reading also changed our relationship with each other. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.059 It gave us an occasion for intimacy, 00:16:52.083 --> 00:16:54.976 to see beyond our points of view. 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.684 And reading took an unequal relationship 00:16:57.708 --> 00:17:00.375 and gave us a momentary equality. 00:17:02.125 --> 00:17:05.059 When you meet somebody as a reader, 00:17:05.083 --> 00:17:07.059 you meet him for the first time, 00:17:07.083 --> 00:17:08.791 newly, freshly. 00:17:09.875 --> 00:17:13.083 There is no way you can know what his favorite line will be. 00:17:14.458 --> 00:17:17.666 What memories and private griefs he has. 00:17:18.833 --> 00:17:22.833 And you face the ultimate privacy of his inner life. 00:17:23.666 --> 00:17:27.101 And then you start to wonder, "Well, what is my inner life made of? 00:17:27.125 --> 00:17:30.375 What do I have that's worthwhile to share with another?" NOTE Paragraph 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.333 I want to close 00:17:36.208 --> 00:17:40.500 on some of my favorite lines from Patrick's letters to his daughter. 00:17:41.333 --> 00:17:44.101 "The river is shadowy in some places 00:17:44.125 --> 00:17:47.393 but the light shines through the cracks of trees ... 00:17:47.417 --> 00:17:50.976 On some branches hang plenty of mulberries. 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.458 You stretch your arm straight out to grab some." 00:17:56.042 --> 00:17:58.476 And this lovely letter, where he writes, 00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:02.851 "Close your eyes and listen to the sounds of the words. 00:18:02.875 --> 00:18:05.059 I know this poem by heart 00:18:05.083 --> 00:18:07.917 and I would like you to know it, too." NOTE Paragraph 00:18:09.375 --> 00:18:11.184 Thank you so much everyone. NOTE Paragraph 00:18:11.208 --> 00:18:14.500 (Applause)