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I'm Kalcu. I'll introduce myself as Kalcu.

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I live in an anti-authoritarian library

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somewhere in Valparaíso

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the work

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i do is

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I specifically deal with

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actions that

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have to do with creating propaganda

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from this space

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for context,

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the library space is over 15 years old

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for 15 years, the people who live

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in the library

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have generated activities

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and

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a political meeting place for liberatory

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collectives, individuals, and

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organizations

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here in the region of Valparaíso

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. . .

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I think the first thing is to find a

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group of people, a community, or a

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union, or

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or beings that are in your environment

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that have any conflicts in common

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and based on that conflict

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to agree to organize

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among people to achieve an objective

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I think that organizing

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it has to do with the ability

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of people. That ability that

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everyone can contribute every

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one with his or her own knowledge

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add up

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and different visions and

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different postures, different tools that

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each individual each

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person has then I believe

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that organizing is

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is important in the sense that

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organizing can add up

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a multiplicity of ideas easily

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a wealth of knowledge to

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reach an objective.

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When it is necessary

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to run, to get water

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to begin to bring rocks

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from such support on the streets

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it's been very evident lately

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that they are all important ways to help

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each part of the street culture's

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social fabric in the chaos like this.

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Without the person who has baking soda,

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or a lemon, or an ammonia, sometimes

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people who are out there facing repression

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couldn't be there

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or wouldn't even be able to move.

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or be able to get through the day

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with the same energy

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people who bring food that also

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so

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and all those kinds of organizing

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I find it interesting that

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so much of this is spontaneous

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I'd make a point

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about a symbiosis and a cooperation

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among the people who happen

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to be there at that minute,

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without any kind of organization [br]or planning beforehand.

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For example, there are people who get fed

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but without necessarily knowing

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that other people are going to bring food.

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I think one of the most interesting things

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has been these new possibilities,

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these new visions

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of spontaneous organization

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where each person present has the

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opportunity to support what’s happening.

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If someone is more afraid than the others

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it doesn’t mean that their presence

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in the crowd isn’t valid or useful,[br]even if they're standing further back.

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For me, I see “success”

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as the capacity for changing,

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in one way or another, the paradigms

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they’ve had during their life.

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Generally speaking, when somebody

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first gets to know anarchist spaces,

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there is a lot of change, lots of conflict

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lots of transformation.

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No one who leaves an anarchist space

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is the same person as when they entered.

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I’ve been lucky enough to get to know

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spaces like that in Peru, in Argentina,

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in Uruguay, in Brazil,

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each with their own particularities,

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with their own story.

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Every country has its own context too.

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I believe that

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one success that you can

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savor within the practices of anarchists

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is the ability to arrive somewhere

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and meet new people and,

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without even knowing them,

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already have a sense of affinity,

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or a little empathy, since there's already

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in one way or another

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certain points in common.

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Then you have the quantity of experiences,

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of knowledge, of tools

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that these spaces are consistently

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sharing with the people who visit

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and live in anarchist spaces.

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I also think you can measure success

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by how well a project is received by the

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rest of the community, in its neighborhood

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whether that's the ghetto, up in the hills

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or downtown—wherever a space may be.

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Lots of times they’re downtown

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in the middle of the chaos.

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Other times they’re on the outskirts,

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or they’re in monstrously huge houses

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that used to belong to the bourgeoisie,

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or here in Chile there are cases

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of spaces that used to be torture centers,

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but in the end they

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become political spaces,

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political meet up spots,

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a place for political resistance.

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I think how a space is perceived

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by the rest of the community

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is important. Generally speaking,

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when a space is opened up,

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when a space pops up,

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there’s a change with the neighbors.

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There’s more connection

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between the people

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who get involved.

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Often, the barriers of difference

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and prejudice are broken.

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People end up finding,

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generally speaking,

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a group of young people,

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usually kind of strange ones,

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just totally escaping normality

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and normativity,

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but when they get to know us and start

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talking about these beautiful ideals

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like many comrades are vegetarians

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and vegans with

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anti-speciesist views,

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or perspectives against patriarchy,

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against every type of violence.

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Whether people pass through,

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whether they enter those spaces or not,

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those ideas catch on,

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or at least that energy.

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You can feel how these ideas are passed on

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and how, one way or another,

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they reach people and get absorbed.

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There are many spaces, organizations,

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collectives, and affinity groups

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that operate under

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libertarian ideas broadly but

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not explicitly as anarchists.

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Nowadays, there are lots of ways to

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identify yourself as anti-authoritarian,

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anti-statist,

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or anarchist.

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So, I believe that libertarian ideas are

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a little more open.

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They tend to have more

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diversity within the same group,

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while I think anarchist organizations

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are a little more concentrated,

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rather than opening themselves up

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to diversity, the way more libertarian

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collectives and communities do.

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It’s hard to define.

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Hard to parse it out, but I think that

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both the individual and collective

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positions of each community is unique.

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Bluntly speaking—the question of hierarchy

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and the organizational form they use.

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Any party-based organization,

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from the most left-leaning

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to the furthest right-wing

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utilizes a hierarchical structure

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in its form of organizing.

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They also form part of the

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political circus, the spectacle

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that people are disenchanted with.

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Whereas the kinds of

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organization anarchists use

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always take an anti-state position.

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They call authority itself into question,

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they criticize it. They won’t submit

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to the will of others

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nor will they impose their own decisions.

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I think that, sometimes,

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for people who don’t know

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much about the difference

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between anarchists, leftists,

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and other tendencies, they just

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But in reality, no, anarchism can’t be

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boxed into those parameters.

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Rather, it’s a political position,

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a philosophy that involves

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political beliefs but,

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more than anything,

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anarchism

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doesn’t use hierarchy

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in its organizational forms.

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Since we’re all so different,

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the positions we take depend on

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each organization, or affinity group,

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or union. Here we also have

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neighborhood assemblies.

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There’s also cordones,

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which simply means a sector of the city,

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but the word is also used in reference to

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geographically-based councils

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that involve local residents,

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shanty-dwellers, and tenants.

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So, mostly, decision-making

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and the forms of organization

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are decided on together, whether that be

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by majority-rule or by consensus.

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Not all of them are totally rejected, and

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there isn’t only one way to organize.

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And there’s always the option to

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leave a group, to start your own,

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if you’re not happy with the

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methods of organizing

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or decision-making.

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It’s in the hands of the collective.

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In my time, through all the different

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collectives & groups I’ve participated in

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but also in other groups I’ve witnessed

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while just passing through places,

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rarely have I ever heard questions like,

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“How can we attract more participants,

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or more comrades?”

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I think there are different positions,

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for example more anti-social ones,

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whose propaganda is more informative than

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trying to attract new participants or

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comrades or convincing anyone of anything.

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So from more anti-social tendencies,

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more insurrectionary tendencies,

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from the most radical tendencies there

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isn’t really much of a call or

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direct invitation for people to join up,

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or to start believing in anarchist ideas.

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But there are comrades whose

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political work is more social,

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more based in people-power,

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who believe in organizing from below

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and neighborhood organizing.

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And I think that the work they do

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is also a kind of propaganda, & what they

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do also has to do with art, with

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artistic expression, with all kinds of

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things that have to do with culture.

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And there’s always the theory side too.

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Which isn’t to say that other kinds of

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tendencies don’t have

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that kind of diversity, just that

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the ends they’re seeking aren’t identical.

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Even despite infighting between

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comrades from more anti-social tendencies

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and tendencies that are

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more about social unity, we've had

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both the possibility and the ability

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to not identify each other as enemies

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despite the fact that

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we find ourselves

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in different trenches.

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So, I believe that the comrades that

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show up in those spaces, those circles,

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those affinity groups and organizations,

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are there not because someone

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sought to convince them of something,

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but rather because

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they felt attracted towards an idea.

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More than being convinced,

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those groups have participants

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because of their own ideas and feelings.

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And other people come through because

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they want to draw, to express themselves,

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for reasons that have to do with art,

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or they have an idea for a project, or

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because they have friends there & they

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find themselves in a political project

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where there’s lots of work to be done

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with the community. I think here in Chile

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we’ve had the chance to experience a

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broad range of anarchist and

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anti-authoritarian practices and tactics.

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For me, strategy is

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deciding on an objective

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and seeking ways

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to achieve that objective,

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thinking about

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how to advance towards it,

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whether that’s individually

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or collectively.

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And depending on

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the ideas that arise,

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we can start thinking of tactics,

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of the ways

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to achieve those goals.

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That’s basically how I see it.

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On the one hand, we visualize, theorize,

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develop our politics, basically thinking

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on what it is we want—what we're seeking.

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On the other hand, we start taking action

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and we see how specifically we can make

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those ideas real. In Chile, we’re lucky—

0:17:52.440,0:17:59.840
well I don’t know if “lucky” is the word,

0:17:56.250,0:18:03.389
but our history is full of conflict, of

0:17:59.840,0:18:06.149
blatant political persecution,

0:18:03.389,0:18:08.840
and of riots.

0:18:06.149,0:18:08.840
So conflicts and objectives

0:18:09.049,0:18:13.820
have always been present.

0:18:11.330,0:18:17.660
The strategies and tactics

0:18:13.820,0:18:20.620
that have been used in general

0:18:17.660,0:18:23.440
have been pretty broad.

0:18:20.620,0:18:25.830
Nowadays we can, for example,

0:18:23.440,0:18:28.510
hold marches, with the goal

0:18:25.830,0:18:32.740
of making visible, like,

0:18:28.510,0:18:35.740
of demonstrating discontent,

0:18:32.740,0:18:38.920
and that we are many.

0:18:35.740,0:18:41.320
Accordingly, the tactics

0:18:38.920,0:18:45.510
in those marches show discontent,

0:18:41.320,0:18:45.510
which is made visible with rioting.

0:18:47.309,0:18:52.780
People raise their voices, shout,

0:18:49.399,0:18:56.770
they can say whatever they want.

0:18:52.780,0:19:00.010
Then there’s blocking the street,

0:18:56.770,0:19:01.900
barricades—different kinds too.

0:19:00.010,0:19:06.850
There’s barricades with fire,

0:19:01.900,0:19:10.780
or with stones,

0:19:06.850,0:19:12.950
there are comrades who help

0:19:10.780,0:19:16.160
and rescue those who are injured.

0:19:12.950,0:19:19.720
I believe all these little roles

0:19:16.160,0:19:22.550
that emerge in the circumstances

0:19:19.720,0:19:24.970
of street conflicts are the tactics

0:19:22.550,0:19:27.200
that are getting adopted.

0:19:24.970,0:19:30.880
It also has a lot to do with the abilities

0:19:27.200,0:19:30.880
that each person may have.

0:19:31.389,0:19:35.779
Nowadays, there’s a lot of talk

0:19:33.489,0:19:37.639
about the primera linea,

0:19:35.779,0:19:40.280
which refers to the comrades

0:19:37.639,0:19:43.800
on the frontline

0:19:40.280,0:19:47.220
taking the brunt of the repression,

0:19:43.800,0:19:50.340
of all the police violence,

0:19:47.220,0:19:54.400
and they try to drive the cops back

0:19:50.340,0:19:57.760
with stones, with molotovs and slingshots,

0:19:54.400,0:20:01.140
with whatever they can,

0:19:57.760,0:20:03.840
even by just shouting at them.

0:20:01.140,0:20:05.760
and at the same time there are people who are

0:20:03.840,0:20:07.620
helping with

0:20:05.760,0:20:09.330
baking soda,

0:20:07.620,0:20:12.142
with milk of magnesium

0:20:09.330,0:20:16.190
to take away the irritability

0:20:13.920,0:20:16.190
from the tear gas bombs

0:20:17.630,0:20:23.750
there are people who are there to

0:20:20.140,0:20:25.880
help by driving their cars

0:20:23.750,0:20:28.620
to mobilize people in groups

0:20:25.880,0:20:30.900
relief teams and rescue teams

0:20:28.620,0:20:34.179
the tactics that are winning these days

0:20:30.900,0:20:38.049
can be inspired by other struggles

0:20:34.179,0:20:36.769
so for example tactics here have

0:20:36.769,0:20:42.220
been inspired by the conflict in Hong Kong

0:20:39.519,0:20:44.340
the idea of using lasers

0:20:42.220,0:20:46.919
and of using water jugs

0:20:44.340,0:20:49.919
to put out tear gas bombs

0:20:46.919,0:20:52.360
all these kinds of tactics are

0:20:49.919,0:20:55.830
lifelong learning the

0:20:52.360,0:20:59.170
constant learning

0:20:55.830,0:21:01.360
to observe also the conflicts that exist

0:20:59.170,0:21:04.830
around the world that also serve

0:21:01.360,0:21:07.530
as inspiration so that we can have

0:21:04.830,0:21:09.900
new experiences new ways of

0:21:07.530,0:21:12.330
attacking, new forms of resistance

0:21:09.900,0:21:15.520
within the territories in conflict.

0:21:12.330,0:21:18.400
When I was about to faint on the verge

0:21:15.520,0:21:23.740
of collapse and someone showed up

0:21:18.400,0:21:27.700
with a little bit of ammonia or

0:21:27.700,0:21:31.530
sometimes it was only water the

0:21:27.700,0:21:34.360
preparation and how it has evolved

0:21:31.530,0:21:35.270
all these forms of resistance is very

0:21:34.360,0:21:38.920
evident

0:21:35.270,0:21:38.920


0:21:49.340,0:21:56.679
Throughout history,

0:21:53.470,0:21:58.809
all these groups that generate

0:21:56.679,0:22:01.919
organizational circles

0:21:58.809,0:22:04.539
often get in internal conflicts

0:22:01.919,0:22:06.110
because of the strategies or tactics

0:22:04.539,0:22:09.920
that they use

0:22:06.110,0:22:08.360
and that generally

0:22:08.360,0:22:15.080
in different types of organizations

0:22:11.990,0:22:18.440
they aren't shared by everyone.

0:22:15.080,0:22:21.769
Today, what's happening in Chile is that

0:22:18.440,0:22:24.649
all forms of organization are

0:22:21.769,0:22:26.929
helping out, as long as they don't have a

0:22:24.649,0:22:30.490
party structure, as long as they don't

0:22:26.929,0:22:34.660
have an authoritarian position.

0:22:30.490,0:22:36.880
Today, we are able

0:22:34.660,0:22:40.270
to organize ourselves to

0:22:36.880,0:22:42.720
to help ourselves to add up

0:22:40.270,0:22:46.750
energy between territorial assemblies,

0:22:42.720,0:22:48.670
between affinity groups

0:22:46.750,0:22:50.500
between liberated spaces and squats

0:22:48.670,0:22:53.429
between labor unions

0:22:50.500,0:22:53.429
independent workers

0:22:53.470,0:23:00.600
among professionals and among people

0:22:58.090,0:23:00.600
who live on the streets.

0:23:00.820,0:23:05.200
The experience that is being lived today

0:23:03.279,0:23:08.500
in Chile is very enriching

0:23:05.200,0:23:10.330
in demonstrating this. In

0:23:08.500,0:23:11.649
demonstrating that everyone adds up

0:23:10.330,0:23:14.500
Beyond the capabilities or the

0:23:11.649,0:23:16.919
tools that they may perceive,

0:23:14.500,0:23:16.919
everyone can add to our strength

0:23:17.940,0:23:22.860
to continue the struggle,

0:23:20.820,0:23:25.980
with a clear vision, with a goal,

0:23:22.860,0:23:30.240
with an idea, with a force,

0:23:25.980,0:23:32.620
in the face of capitalist catastrophe,

0:23:30.240,0:23:35.530
In the face of the capitalist devastation,

0:23:32.620,0:23:37.290
it is necessary to have this energy.

0:23:35.530,0:23:41.300
There are those of us,

0:23:37.290,0:23:43.860
There are many people

0:23:41.300,0:23:48.169
who can't stay calm and continue life

0:23:43.860,0:23:51.980
in this "normality,"

0:23:48.169,0:23:56.049
when it is evident that they are

0:23:51.980,0:23:56.049
exterminating our future.

0:24:30.480,0:24:35.929
I believe that the learning or the way

0:24:33.720,0:24:35.929
to continue

0:24:36.509,0:24:42.310
absorbing

0:24:39.140,0:24:45.030
all this knowledge has to do with

0:24:42.310,0:24:47.879
quite a bit of communication,

0:24:45.030,0:24:50.699
oral communication.

0:24:47.879,0:24:55.009
As I was saying, Chile has a

0:24:50.699,0:24:58.559
long history of resistance, of

0:24:55.009,0:25:03.059
political positions, of poor neighborhoods

0:24:58.559,0:25:05.899
in the struggle. So, obviously today for

0:25:03.059,0:25:09.299
new generations of radicals, anarchists,

0:25:05.899,0:25:14.009
or more subversive people,

0:25:09.299,0:25:16.710
it's inevitable that things are learned

0:25:14.009,0:25:19.049
from the past. For example, this it has to do with the

0:25:16.710,0:25:23.159
student protests, blocking traffic,

0:25:19.049,0:25:24.840
building barricades, sharing pamphlets.

0:25:23.159,0:25:27.029
These are internationally used

0:25:24.840,0:25:28.970
resistance and street fighting practices.

0:25:27.029,0:25:33.190
And here,

0:25:28.970,0:25:36.490
it is possible if you want

0:25:33.190,0:25:39.060
to go know to make barricades.

0:25:36.490,0:25:43.850
you can go

0:25:39.060,0:25:46.789
on certain dates to the universities

0:25:43.850,0:25:49.389
and you don't need to ask any questions,

0:25:46.789,0:25:51.180
just observe.

0:25:49.389,0:25:53.970
Many,

0:25:51.180,0:25:56.410
many anarchist comrades from these

0:25:53.970,0:25:58.440
territories

0:25:56.410,0:26:02.269
are close to

0:25:58.440,0:26:05.100
formerly politically persecuted people.

0:26:02.269,0:26:06.720
I've known my fellow men and women

0:26:05.100,0:26:08.820
who are family members, who are nephews,

0:26:06.720,0:26:10.860
who are grandchildren, who are children of

0:26:08.820,0:26:13.019
politically persecuted, tortured and

0:26:10.860,0:26:14.159
disappeared people,

0:26:13.019,0:26:16.280
who now identify as

0:26:14.159,0:26:18.590
anarchists.

0:26:16.280,0:26:20.780
These experiences and knowledge

0:26:18.590,0:26:24.920
that only these people have, have been

0:26:20.780,0:26:27.020
and are being transmitted through films,

0:26:24.920,0:26:29.330
through conversations,

0:26:27.020,0:26:32.010
through documentaries.

0:26:29.330,0:26:34.380
The ways to learn

0:26:32.010,0:26:35.560
about this

0:26:34.380,0:26:37.059
and

0:26:35.560,0:26:41.200
to express that knowledge

0:26:37.059,0:26:44.049
to expand that knowledge

0:26:41.200,0:26:46.740
are always

0:26:44.049,0:26:46.740
very diverse

0:26:47.420,0:26:52.540
Communication, I think, is

0:26:49.910,0:26:55.660
basically one of the main ways.

0:26:52.540,0:26:58.490
To have the confidence to find

0:26:55.660,0:27:02.920
groups of people to who

0:26:58.490,0:27:02.920
you can ask about

0:27:03.990,0:27:11.250
how they worked and also to identify

0:27:07.559,0:27:13.940
and learn from the mistakes made by

0:27:11.250,0:27:15.900
groups, subversive groups for example.

0:27:13.940,0:27:18.980
Also, in these

0:27:15.900,0:27:21.320
territories we are fortunate that

0:27:18.980,0:27:23.700
many, many of us have

0:27:21.320,0:27:25.710
Mapuche ancestry. Also, it

0:27:23.700,0:27:28.410
is history that is important to

0:27:25.710,0:27:30.150
rescue and that obviously none of

0:27:28.410,0:27:32.320
us forget. We always have that

0:27:30.150,0:27:34.870
present.

0:27:32.320,0:27:38.549
We also have that duality or that

0:27:34.870,0:27:41.320
ability to position ourselves politically

0:27:38.549,0:27:42.940
like this from the point of view of

0:27:41.320,0:27:45.730
anarchists-but at the same time not

0:27:42.940,0:27:47.230
forgetting that we have our own

0:27:45.730,0:27:49.179
history. That, we have our own

0:27:47.230,0:27:52.120
individuality. That, we are from this

0:27:49.179,0:27:54.940
territory. That, we come from a

0:27:52.120,0:27:56.919
colonized territory. That, our

0:27:54.940,0:27:59.830
history and our practices and our

0:27:56.919,0:28:01.779
visions of anarchism

0:27:59.830,0:28:04.169
aren't going to be it 100% the same as the

0:28:01.779,0:28:08.669
fellow anarchists who are from

0:28:04.169,0:28:10.169
Palestine, Rojava, or Europe, or

0:28:08.669,0:28:12.889
from other parts of

0:28:10.169,0:28:12.889
Latin America.

0:28:14.380,0:28:19.309
I also believe that

0:28:16.920,0:28:22.490
we have

0:28:19.309,0:28:24.169
the capacity to find fun ways

0:28:22.490,0:28:27.700
to be able to

0:28:24.169,0:28:30.070
travel to meet each other.

0:28:27.700,0:28:32.019
To find groups, in which one

0:28:30.070,0:28:34.799
can arrive and feel comfortable to

0:28:32.019,0:28:34.799
to be able to learn with.

0:28:44.850,0:28:50.920
Part of what is happening now

0:28:48.070,0:28:54.070
you can see in one of the new slogans

0:28:50.920,0:28:57.720
used since the start of this new conflict

0:28:54.070,0:28:57.720
that, "It's not 30 pesos, it's 30 years."

0:28:57.860,0:29:03.110
We've been in this fake democracy

0:29:00.350,0:29:04.400
for 30 years.

0:29:03.110,0:29:06.220
It's like other democracies

0:29:04.400,0:29:08.710
world-wide.

0:29:06.220,0:29:10.809
I was lucky enough

0:29:08.710,0:29:12.790
to be part of a committee

0:29:10.809,0:29:15.190
for the student "penguin revolution "

0:29:12.790,0:29:17.550
mobilizations of 2006, when I was

0:29:15.190,0:29:17.550
a senior in high school.

0:29:19.190,0:29:26.440
In what ways have I seen that

0:29:23.090,0:29:26.440
that movement helped in the long term?

0:29:27.049,0:29:31.700
It's evident to anyone who is

0:29:29.570,0:29:34.850
in the street protests here now that

0:29:31.700,0:29:37.159
consciously open their eyes a little

0:29:34.850,0:29:38.919
and who wants to sense what's

0:29:37.159,0:29:41.090
going on around them, that many

0:29:38.919,0:29:43.340
of the people in the street protests,

0:29:41.090,0:29:46.240
much of the age range

0:29:43.340,0:29:49.179
that you see on the street

0:29:46.240,0:29:50.650
are people in our thirties,

0:29:49.179,0:29:52.360
thirty-somethings who were

0:29:50.650,0:29:54.790
in school at that time and that were

0:29:52.360,0:29:57.370
part of the "penguin revolution."

0:29:54.790,0:29:59.679
Today, some are professionals who

0:29:57.370,0:30:02.980
are in debt, living with the

0:29:59.679,0:30:07.190
consequences of how this

0:30:02.980,0:30:09.110
neoliberal education system works.

0:30:07.190,0:30:13.020
And, many others are not professionals.

0:30:09.110,0:30:15.990
Many others weren't interested.

0:30:13.020,0:30:20.330
Or, they weren't able to go to university.

0:30:15.990,0:30:23.780
They weren't able to get onto

0:30:20.330,0:30:23.780
this production line-

0:30:23.870,0:30:30.140
this social production line.

0:30:27.620,0:30:31.520
At the same time, others who

0:30:30.140,0:30:32.900
also suffer from the

0:30:31.520,0:30:34.759
consequences of this capitalist system

0:30:34.759,0:30:40.399
and who have followed the students'

0:30:37.909,0:30:42.259
example today have knowledge

0:30:40.399,0:30:47.209
- know how the mobilizations of 2006

0:30:42.259,0:30:49.090
- know that promises were made that

0:30:47.209,0:30:51.790
were never fulfilled.

0:30:49.090,0:30:55.570
As a result, 2011 also saw

0:30:51.790,0:30:59.330
an explosion from the students.

0:30:55.570,0:31:03.380
Because nothing had changed.

0:30:59.330,0:31:05.000
Today, more than 10 years later,

0:31:03.380,0:31:07.390
the same claims continue to be made

0:31:05.000,0:31:07.390
and the same objectives

0:31:08.620,0:31:12.660
are still being sought.

0:31:13.059,0:31:20.110
And beyond having not learned,

0:31:16.539,0:31:21.940
I don't think knowledge is there.

0:31:20.110,0:31:24.519
For example, in the streets

0:31:21.940,0:31:29.039
you see all these people that at some

0:31:24.519,0:31:29.039
point were also facing

0:31:29.330,0:31:35.030
from their schools from the shots

0:31:32.000,0:31:37.650
the protests that have taken place in the

0:31:35.030,0:31:40.290
were doing on the street

0:31:37.650,0:31:44.190
yes at least I can also observe

0:31:40.290,0:31:48.210
that a great has been a great a great

0:31:44.190,0:31:51.870
age range so younger so more

0:31:48.210,0:31:54.750
adolescents do not have as much as the

0:31:51.870,0:31:56.580
experience or knowledge of what

0:31:54.750,0:31:57.900
are in manifestations of what there is

0:31:56.580,0:32:00.020
in which to confront the repression

0:31:57.900,0:32:02.540
from the police

0:32:00.020,0:32:04.150
there's quite a bit of innocence to be had as well.

0:32:02.540,0:32:07.860
medium

0:32:04.150,0:32:07.860
but today we're already

0:32:08.690,0:32:15.740
several months of conflict already then

0:32:13.600,0:32:17.810
many of the knowledge that is not

0:32:15.740,0:32:19.640
attended until the beginning of this

0:32:17.810,0:32:22.190
conflict and I think that in the latter

0:32:19.640,0:32:24.470
weeks now

0:32:22.190,0:32:26.840
it's much more common to meet people

0:32:24.470,0:32:29.539
who is already more or less clear about what

0:32:26.840,0:32:32.890
how to protect yourself how to take care of yourself

0:32:29.539,0:32:35.549
how to take care of colleagues

0:32:32.890,0:32:38.389
I believe that

0:32:35.549,0:32:42.720
I don't know if I could set such an example

0:32:38.389,0:32:46.769
so much of how the

0:32:42.720,0:32:49.019
experience of us who were in

0:32:46.769,0:32:50.639
the penguin revolution of the comrades

0:32:49.019,0:32:53.489
who were later in the

0:32:50.639,0:32:55.249
mobilizations of 2011 but I do think that

0:32:53.489,0:32:57.869
when you're on the street than when

0:32:55.249,0:33:02.389
you look around and you find

0:32:57.869,0:33:06.299
people who are just starting out that

0:33:02.389,0:33:10.409
don't know and they join people who already

0:33:06.299,0:33:12.169
have been a rhythm like that much longer

0:33:10.409,0:33:15.730
advanced

0:33:12.169,0:33:15.730
I think that's where

0:33:15.850,0:33:20.420
it's clear that maybe it goes beyond

0:33:18.890,0:33:23.920
of words but gives directly

0:33:20.420,0:33:23.920
embodied in the

0:33:36.100,0:33:43.700
I would invite the Gauls and the

0:33:39.580,0:33:49.740
fellow anarchists

0:33:43.700,0:33:52.880
that we have the possibility of

0:33:49.740,0:33:55.110
to be able to organize ourselves to be able to have

0:33:52.880,0:33:57.860
positioning and policies from a

0:33:55.110,0:34:00.650
skill intersection

0:33:57.860,0:34:02.780
we have the I can get lucky today in

0:34:00.650,0:34:06.549
day on the basis of the conflict that is being

0:34:02.780,0:34:06.549
living our territories in what

0:34:08.889,0:34:15.950
I've always watched and seen a lot here in the

0:34:12.710,0:34:19.590
anarchist circles that were closing in

0:34:15.950,0:34:21.540
a lot of affinity group theories

0:34:19.590,0:34:23.760
which more or less everyone was chasing

0:34:21.540,0:34:28.670
and they all had more or less goals

0:34:23.760,0:34:28.670
very similar ideas and practices

0:34:30.530,0:34:36.470
anarchism at every level to the most

0:34:33.710,0:34:39.159
social is actually under a ghetto

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then I guess my advice is that

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open up to the possibility of opening

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to open up these ghettos to the

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possibility of being able to organize with

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people who may not

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necessarily were artists

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that those who embrace and ideas

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anti-speciesist to embrace ideas

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anti-patriarchal

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to embrace ideas and spirituals that

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let's rescue a little bit of the ancestry

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lost that these centuries of colonization

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western european white hetero

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patriarchal has imposed on us has

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snatched

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is that as opening up the possibilities

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of believing in other hobbies than being

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open up the spirit and

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reconnecting with diversity

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I think what's happening today

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a lot of people joined in because of that for looking

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to the side and see people so

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different with such different ideas

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with tools with knowledge so

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different but at the same time looking for

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the same dreaming the same fighting for

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the same

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finding themselves having the same

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tactics the same practices

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roughly that as

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not to fall so much into grandchildren where

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think is all the same if not all the

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contrary to opening ourselves up to the possibility of

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relate to multiple forms of

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think