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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon, everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.93,0:00:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to our GLAM panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.12,0:00:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before we start, I just have\Ntwo announcements to make.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.33,0:00:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, please extensively make use\Nof our Etherpad to take notes.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.78,0:00:27.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second one is directed\Nat our audience at home,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.100,0:00:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or wherever you are.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.82,0:00:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have any questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.96,0:00:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can also write that into the Etherpad,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.03,0:00:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our room angels\Nwill keep track of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.33,0:00:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we decided that for this year's panel,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.39,0:00:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after seeing all the contributions\Nthat were made,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.13,0:00:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would focus on the role of Wikidata\Nwithin data ecosystems
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.55,0:00:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that go beyond the actual\NWikimedia projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.20,0:00:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is also absolutely in line
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.75,0:01:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the new Wikimedia\NFoundation strategy.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.65,0:01:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have, today, four panelists.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.39,0:01:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three plus one.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.88,0:01:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I would like to ask you on stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.64,0:01:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can introduce you.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.20,0:01:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we have Susanna Ånäs.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.38,0:01:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's a long time free-knowledge activist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.30,0:01:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved in many WikiProjects.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.92,0:01:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she will be reporting today\Non the project in cooperation
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.53,0:01:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Finnish National Library.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.86,0:01:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have, next to me, Mike Dickison,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.44,0:01:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who will be second in this order.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.100,0:01:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is a museum curator from New Zealand.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.28,0:01:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a zoologist and a Wikipedia editor.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.82,0:01:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was New Zealand's\Nfirst Wikipedian at Large
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.79,0:02:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 2018 and 2019.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.56,0:02:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he will tell us\Nabout his experience in that role,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.63,0:02:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what kind of role Wikidata\Nis starting to play in that context.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.78,0:02:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have Joachim Neubert
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.14,0:02:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Leibniz Information Center\Nfor Economics in Kiel and Hamburg.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.01,0:02:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has been working on making the largest\Npublic press archives worldwide
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.13,0:02:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more accessible to the public,\Nand he's using Wikidata to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.89,0:02:39.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I will go last.\NMy name is Beat Estermann.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.09,0:02:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work for Bern University\Nof Applied Sciences, in Switzerland.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.64,0:02:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've been a long-time promoter\Nfor OpenGLAM in Switzerland and Austria.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.34,0:02:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I will today report\Nabout my activities in connection
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.84,0:02:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the mandate from the Canadian Arts\NPresenting Association,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.46,0:03:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focusing on performing arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.12,0:03:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not primarily on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.44,0:03:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you will see Wikidata\Nis starting to play a role there, as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.97,0:03:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, most of us\Nwill take our seat here,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.25,0:03:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will give the floor to Susanna.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.30,0:03:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. So, hello. My name is Susana Ånäs,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.77,0:03:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I work part-time for Wikimedia Finland
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.77,0:03:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a GLAM coordinator,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.08,0:03:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I also do consulting\Nin the open knowledge sphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.66,0:03:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is a discourse,\Nmaybe, of [inaudible].
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.05,0:03:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I have been involved in the workings
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.72,0:03:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of geographic data group of the--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.44,0:03:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I looked it up,\Nbut it isn't in English,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.15,0:03:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, cultural heritage initiative\Nof the Finnish royal government.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.92,0:03:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is about place names
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.78,0:04:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they are represented
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.30,0:04:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different repositories\Nin the GLAM sector in Finland,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.47,0:04:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they are trying to pull together\Nthese different sources,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.76,0:04:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they are informed\Nby modeling in Wikidata and elsewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.91,0:04:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here we see the three main sources\Nfor these YSO places,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.32,0:04:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is part of the national ontology--\Ngeneral ontology.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.94,0:04:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AHAA is for Finnish archives,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.66,0:04:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Melinda is for Finnish libraries,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.64,0:04:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and KOOKOS is for Finnish museums.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.75,0:04:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there are three, also,\Ncontent management systems
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.58,0:04:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that come together in these YSO places.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.74,0:04:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are exchanges between Wikidata\Nalready taking place,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.96,0:04:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the names project\Nfor the National Land Survey.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.06,0:04:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, there's a third project,\Nthe Finnish Names Archive,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.28,0:05:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doesn't yet contribute to this,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.39,0:05:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are plans for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.72,0:05:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, one of the key modeling issues\Nin this whole problem area
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.18,0:05:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that there are three types\Nof elements in place names
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.12,0:05:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represented in this project.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.20,0:05:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them is the place,\Nthe one that has location.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.24,0:05:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of them is the place name,\Nthe toponym, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.01,0:05:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, there are sources,\Nwhich are documents
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.70,0:05:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from which these both can be derived from,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.76,0:05:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or like, backed up with.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.56,0:05:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The YSO places--\Nhere, on the top right,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.84,0:05:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will see the same diagram again.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.80,0:05:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It focuses mainly on the places.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.62,0:05:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The main thing of this\Nis the Finnish National Library,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.28,0:05:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Finto project.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.20,0:05:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are now more than 7,000 places\Nin Finnish and Swedish
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.61,0:05:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and over 3,000 in English,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.44,0:06:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are CC0 we've licensed with.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.04,0:06:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here you can see the service of Finto.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.01,0:06:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a place-- I chose Sevettijärvi.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.88,0:06:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is now also related\Nto our language project
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.91,0:06:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Skolt Sami--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.27,0:06:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a place\Nin the very north of Finland
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.88,0:06:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inhabited by Skolt Sámi.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.76,0:06:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here you can see the place\Nwhich belongs to the--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.26,0:06:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, you will see the data\Nabout this place.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.72,0:06:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see that it is connected\Nto a Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.95,0:06:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as this National Land Survey data.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.19,0:06:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we go. And you will see\Nthis in more detail, here.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.58,0:06:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is also hierarchically arranged
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.36,0:06:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside this repository.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.67,0:07:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, actually,\Nthe actual place is not seen,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.46,0:07:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is underneath this municipality,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.88,0:07:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the region,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.01,0:07:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Finland as a country,\Nand Nordic countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.15,0:07:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the broader region.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.65,0:07:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you can see that many of these
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.40,0:07:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been matched\Nwith Wikidata previously
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.73,0:07:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through Mix'n'Match,\Nand there are still remaining ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.23,0:07:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, the amount of names\Nis not that high.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.41,0:07:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's only less than 5,000.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.57,0:07:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, then there is this other repository
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.86,0:07:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Finnish Geospatial\NPlatform Project--
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.04,0:07:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Place Names Cards.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.20,0:07:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are all the place names\Nthat are on Finnish maps.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.13,0:07:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have the linked data,\Nwhich is licensed CC BY 4.0.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.52,0:07:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,800,000 map labels in Finnish, Swedish,\Nand all those three Saami languages
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.48,0:07:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are in Finland.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.100,0:07:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have\Ntwo different types of entities.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.88,0:08:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other ones are places,\Nand the other ones
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.68,0:08:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are place names, toponyms.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.65,0:08:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they both have persistent URIs.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.00,0:08:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's, for example,\Nthe same Sevettijärvi, in first Finnish,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.72,0:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then all those three Saami languages,\Nas well as the geographic data,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:08:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then there is more information\Nabout that, like the place type,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.63,0:08:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,et cetera.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.64,0:08:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is the card for the place name,\Nthe toponym, having its own URI.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.94,0:08:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, it seems that it's not translated\Ninto the English list.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.43,0:08:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, multilinguality\Nis not covering the whole project.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.17,0:08:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, we come\Nto the Finnish Names Archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.52,0:08:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a project by the Institute\Nfor the Languages of Finland,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.23,0:08:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these represent not the places,\Nnot the place names,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.46,0:08:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are actually sources for those.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.60,0:08:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, these are three million\Nfield notes of place names,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.72,0:08:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is a Wikibase project.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.53,0:09:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are in a Wikibase,\Nmainly in Finnish, some in Swedish.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.32,0:09:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An outstanding collection of Saami names,\Nwhich we are very interested in.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.11,0:09:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are licensed CC BY.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.38,0:09:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is also a challenge\Nfrom the Wikidata point of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.85,0:09:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if there was a Finnish local Wikibase,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.64,0:09:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we might be able to first work\Non them in that project.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.03,0:09:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here's a screenshot of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.44,0:09:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing that there's information\Nabout the place, the maps--
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.32,0:09:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the maps that the collectors\Ninitially use,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.23,0:09:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the card that they produce\Nof the information they collected.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.46,0:09:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here's one of those cards
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.42,0:09:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broken down into data
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.74,0:09:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is included in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.17,0:09:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, then they sent\Nthis linked data project
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.75,0:09:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Helsinki Digital Humanities Lab
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.34,0:09:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Semantic Computers,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.26,0:10:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computing group of Aalto University--
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.45,0:10:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and together with this Institute\Nfor the Languages of Finland--
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.52,0:10:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Names Sampo.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.99,0:10:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is an aggregated\Nresearch interface
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.02,0:10:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to several place name sources.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.50,0:10:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you can see that many\Nof the sources are out there on the left,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.70,0:10:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then, you can make\Ndifferent kinds of visualizations
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.76,0:10:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on this data.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.65,0:10:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.29,0:10:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I've been bringing up this idea\Nof modeling for a local Wikibase
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.60,0:10:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we could do with this data.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.69,0:10:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when we enter\Nthese modeling questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.58,0:10:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do we model?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.77,0:10:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are different ways,\Ndifferent traditions in each of these.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.68,0:10:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the good thing about it\Nis it could also serve minority languages
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.36,0:10:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with very little effort.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.24,0:10:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. So, here we have\Nthe two basic options:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.18,0:11:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the SAPO model, which is\Nthe Finnish Space-Time Ontology,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.84,0:11:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Wikidata model.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.42,0:11:07.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you can see\Nthat Wikidata items tend to zero.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.91,0:11:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ideally, they remain the same\Nwith the changing properties.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.87,0:11:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas, in the SAPO model,\Nthese items become new
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.91,0:11:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there is a change,\Nsuch as area change and name change.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.18,0:11:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here, come back to this division
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.22,0:11:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between these three different dimensions\Nof places, place names.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.10,0:11:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, should we make these place names\Ninto entities or properties?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.66,0:11:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata uses properties,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.25,0:11:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas this land survey\Nproject has entities.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.84,0:11:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or should we make them into lexemes?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.18,0:11:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata has chosen to work\Nwith properties,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.43,0:11:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,textual properties\Nfor place names over lexemes.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.57,0:11:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, the other way around.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.82,0:11:59.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the names are...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.06,0:12:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,properties, not lexemes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.87,0:12:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.16,0:12:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And maybe the shortcoming of the Wikibase
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.13,0:12:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the lack of geographical\Nshapes inside that--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.34,0:12:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in the basic setup of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.96,0:12:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so one would have to add\Nmore technology into the stack
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.75,0:12:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to use local geographic shapes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.69,0:12:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a federation is really needed
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.82,0:12:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to take advantage\Nof the Wikidata corpus.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.65,0:12:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm done already. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.62,0:12:45.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.26,0:13:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.27,0:13:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(speaking in Maori)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.01,0:13:07.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome, everyone.\NMy name is Mike Dickison.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.38,0:13:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for a year,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.15,0:13:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was New Zealand Wikipedian at Large.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.94,0:13:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might wonder\Nwhat a Wikipedian at Large is.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.86,0:13:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if you actually look out for it,\Nthere is no such thing, as we can see.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.74,0:13:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a term that I made up\Nin the grant proposal,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.15,0:13:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which the foundation\Nseemed to like very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.98,0:13:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, we ran with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.30,0:13:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for a year, I went through\N35 different institutions,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.05,0:13:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,residents, and most of them,\Nrunning training sessions,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.49,0:13:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizing public events,\Nand trying to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.36,0:13:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Wikimedia strategy for each one.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.100,0:13:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a very interesting experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.50,0:13:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you encounter a wide range\Nof different projects and people.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.27,0:13:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to try and talk through\Nsome of the different projects
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.21,0:14:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that dealt with Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.87,0:14:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in interesting or, perhaps,\Nilluminating ways,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.17,0:14:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might be useful for folks to discuss.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.56,0:14:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The project was initially\Na Wikipedia project by the name,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.96,0:14:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply because that was what people\Nwere familiar with,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.28,0:14:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we organized\Nmultiple different events
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.36,0:14:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at very traditional edit-a-thons,\Ngender gap work, and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.61,0:14:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[And a bunch you can see] [inaudible],
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.10,0:14:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a bunch of very successful\Nnew editors recruited, and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.75,0:14:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did bulk uploads into Commons.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.45,0:14:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this case, there was a collection\Nof over 1,000 original artworks
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.25,0:14:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by an entomological\Nillustrator, Des Helmore,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.05,0:14:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which had been sitting on a hard drive,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.93,0:14:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[lacking] research for ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.36,0:14:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were able\Nto get clearance to release those
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.32,0:14:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all under CC BY license.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.24,0:14:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, easy wins to show to people there.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.96,0:15:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone can understand\Nlots of pictures of beetles.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.10,0:15:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone can understand workshops\Ndevoted to fixing the gender gap.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.25,0:15:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Wikidata\Nis much more difficult to sell
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.25,0:15:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to people in the GLAM sector,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.28,0:15:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anyone outside\Nof our particular movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.11,0:15:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I began to realize that Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.72,0:15:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going to be a more\Nand more important part
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.63,0:15:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Wikipedian at Large projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.88,0:15:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, as we went through, it became\Na larger and larger component
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.47,0:15:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what I was doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.85,0:15:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I began to try and teach myself\Nmore about Wikidata as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.80,0:15:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was beginning to see\Nhow important it was.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.29,0:15:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this one project--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.99,0:15:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kakapo is a native\NNew Zealand flightless parrot.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.10,0:15:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We worked with\Nthe Department of Conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.34,0:15:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whose job is to save\Nthis species from extinction,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.30,0:15:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pitched the idea,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.64,0:15:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What if we put every\Nsingle kakapo into Wikidata?"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.22,0:16:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that may seem ridiculous,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.70,0:16:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's actually\Na perfectly doable project.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.62,0:16:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few of them are in there already.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.10,0:16:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A key thing to notice here\Nis there are not many kakapos.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.62,0:16:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's a manageable task.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.24,0:16:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were 148 when I started,\Nand then one died.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.94,0:16:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they've just had\Na great breeding season up to 213.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.76,0:16:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is great. This is the most kakapo\Nthere have been for over 50 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.50,0:16:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this was also a big deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.26,0:16:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was on the news\Nevery day in New Zealand.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.28,0:16:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each new one that was born--
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.22,0:16:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man) In the New York Times.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.41,0:16:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mike) Did it? Oh, lovely.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.67,0:16:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, this was national news.\NEveryone likes these birds.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.00,0:16:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But something interesting about them
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.66,0:16:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because unlike species\Nthat are more populous,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.93,0:16:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every single kakapo is named,\Nhas a unique name
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.82,0:16:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a unique ID number.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.82,0:16:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And often has good biographical data
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.44,0:16:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about where and when they were born,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.67,0:16:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were hatched, who their father\Nand mother was,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.97,0:16:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they died, if they died.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.71,0:17:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there is, in fact,\Na Department of Conservation database
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.35,0:17:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all this information.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.88,0:17:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the most famous kakapos,\Nof course, is Sirocco,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.72,0:17:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who you can see is named\Nafter a wind, was born there.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.73,0:17:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sirocco has a Twitter account,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.70,0:17:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Wikidata had some problems with,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.93,0:17:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, apparently,\Nthey just can't have Twitter accounts.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.56,0:17:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.12,0:17:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's even featured\Non an album cover, and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.46,0:17:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are multiple properties of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.72,0:17:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably one of the most famous\Nindividual kakapo.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.26,0:17:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I pitched to the Department\Nof Conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.34,0:17:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Why don't we try and do this\Nwith every single one?"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.24,0:17:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, they had to think about\Nhow much of the biographical data
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.66,0:17:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be made public.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.36,0:17:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they come up with a short list.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.22,0:17:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we've got, I think, 212,\N210--I think a couple died--
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.64,0:17:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living kakapo that are all candidates now.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.70,0:17:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they only get a name when they fledge.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.93,0:17:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have a code number until that\Nwhile they're still babies.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.19,0:17:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when we've got the full-fledged crop,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.23,0:18:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to create\Na complete Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.81,0:18:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the entire species will be in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.59,0:18:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we need to come up\Nwith a property for {\i1}DOC ID{\i0}--
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.60,0:18:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually would like to talk\Nwith folks about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.88,0:18:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we be using a very specific ID,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.27,0:18:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or should we be coming up with an ID
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.14,0:18:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would work for all individual birds\Nor plants or animals
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.66,0:18:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have been tagged\Nin any scientific research project?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.96,0:18:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a good question.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.10,0:18:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second project was\NChristchurch Art Gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.22,0:18:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are very few paintings\Nof Colin MacCahon,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.52,0:18:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,New Zealand's most famous\Nartist in existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.96,0:18:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a drawing he did\Nfor the New Zealand School Journal,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.70,0:18:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was government-funded at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.42,0:18:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's actually in Archives New Zealand
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.70,0:18:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who own the copyright for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.29,0:18:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a very unusual situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.01,0:18:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I worked with\NChristchurch Art Gallery
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.07,0:18:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who, along with Auckland Art Gallery,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.99,0:18:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maintain a site called\NFind New Zealand artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.95,0:18:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The job of which is to keep track\Nof the holdings--
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.65,0:18:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every institution that has holdings\Nof the New Zealand artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.40,0:19:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, about 18,000 different artists\Nin their database,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.16,0:19:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most with very little\Ninformation at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.23,0:19:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we did a standard sort of Mix'n'Match.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.99,0:19:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did an export of the ones\Nthat had at least a birth date,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.67,0:19:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a death date, or a place of birth,\Nor a place of death.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.54,0:19:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's not restricting it very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.61,0:19:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even then, we were not able\Nto match quite a few,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.48,0:19:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've got about 1,500 now
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.95,0:19:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are matched\Nto known artists in Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.60,0:19:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is nice.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.12,0:19:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what was appealing to them--
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.78,0:19:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is their website,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.52,0:19:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which really just maintains\Nthe holdings links there.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.21,0:19:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this biographical data,\Nwhich they create by hand, currently,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.52,0:19:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for every single artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.06,0:19:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the act of exporting\Nand putting into Mix'n'Match
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.80,0:19:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposed numerous typos\Nand mistakes and such
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.36,0:19:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they haven't noticed.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.72,0:19:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's only when you start\Nrunning things through [Excel],
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.12,0:19:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these things show up.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.27,0:20:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the value of Wikidata\Nwas suddenly conveyed to them
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.72,0:20:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I said, "You can just suck in\Nthat information from Wikidata."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.55,0:20:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that made them sit up straight.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.51,0:20:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this, I think, is one\Nof the selling points.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.75,0:20:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have this carefully\Nhand-curated website
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.91,0:20:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 18,000 entries, full of mistakes,\Nand tell them there's another way,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.34,0:20:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can get other people
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.56,0:20:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do some of this fact-checking\Nand correction for them--
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.19,0:20:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's when it sinks home.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.14,0:20:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then announced I was pitching the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.29,0:20:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they "Wikidatafy"\Nthis entire history book
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.31,0:20:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the New Zealand artists\Nin Christchurch in the '30s,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.33,0:20:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and run through--just published--\Nand run through every single person,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.83,0:20:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection, place, exhibition, and such.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.45,0:20:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a manageable sized project,\Nand they're very excited by this.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.30,0:20:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thirdly, I wanted to show you\NMaori Subject Headings.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.84,0:20:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A {\i1}waka{\i0} is a Maori name\Nfor a particular kind of canoe,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.81,0:20:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a war canoe.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.73,0:20:55.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, in the National Library\Nof New Zealand,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.95,0:20:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a listing for {\i1}waka{\i0},\Nbecause the National Library
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.53,0:21:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually has its own dictionary\Nof Maori Subject Headings,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.30,0:21:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Maori language.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.47,0:21:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there it defines a {\i1}waka{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.18,0:21:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Maori and English.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.18,0:21:12.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it also has a whole lot\Nof narrower terms,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.37,0:21:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see there on the side there.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.22,0:21:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a typical would be taurapa.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.24,0:21:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a definition first in Maori,\Nand then in English.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.77,0:21:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the carved sternpost\Nthat you can see there.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.70,0:21:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in English, you would say "sternpost,"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.48,0:21:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can't use\Nthe word "sternpost" for taurapa,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.96,0:21:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because taurapa only works\Nfor particular kinds of war canoes.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.42,0:21:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's no English word\Nequivalent for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.11,0:21:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I suddenly realized\Nthat here is an entire ontology
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.91,0:21:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of cultural-specific terms that have been\Nvery carefully worked out
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.18,0:21:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and verified by the National\NLibrary with Maori,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.04,0:21:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constantly being added to and improved\Nwith definitions, with descriptions,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.73,0:21:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in both English and Maori.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.80,0:21:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really exciting.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.96,0:21:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suddenly thought we could put\Nthis whole lot into Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.23,0:22:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maori first, and then translated\Ninto English, as required.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.60,0:22:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be a nice change, wouldn't it!
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.08,0:22:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's the copyright licensing.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.05,0:22:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, NonCommercial-NoDerivs.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.35,0:22:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now I have to start\Nthe conversation with them
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.35,0:22:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about why did they pick that license.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.68,0:22:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And possibly because they only got\N[buy in] from Maori,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.97,0:22:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who agreed to sit down\Nand [inaudible] this stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.68,0:22:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there was a guarantee
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.04,0:22:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that none of this information\Ncould be used for commercial purposes.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.92,0:22:31.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's one of the frustrating\Naspects of the task
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.100,0:22:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is coming up against\Nthese sorts of restrictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.24,0:22:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, those are the three things\NI wanted to put out in front
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.02,0:22:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sparking discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.38,0:22:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Putting an entire species into Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.88,0:22:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it takes to actually change\Nan art gallery's curator's mind
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.11,0:22:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the value of Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.08,0:22:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what do we do when we would see\Na complete ontology
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.84,0:22:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in another language that,\Nunfortunately, has been slapped
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.48,0:22:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a restrictive\NCreative Commons license.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.70,0:22:56.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.100,0:22:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.41,0:23:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello. My name is Joachim Neubert.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.08,0:23:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working for the ZBW,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.52,0:23:20.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, Information Center\Nfor Economics in Hamburg,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.41,0:23:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a scientific software developer.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.73,0:23:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of my tasks last year\Nwas preparing a data donation to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.88,0:23:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to give some report on this\Non our first experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.61,0:23:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from donating metadata\Nfrom the 20th-Century Press Archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.46,0:23:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To our best knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.30,0:23:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the largest public\Npress archive in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.02,0:23:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has been collected\Nbetween 1908 and 2005,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.01,0:24:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and has been got from
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.17,0:24:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than 1,500 newspapers\Nand periodicals
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.27,0:24:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Germany, and also internationally.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.65,0:24:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has covered everything\Nwhich could be of interest
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.84,0:24:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Hamburg,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.87,0:24:28.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hamburg businesspeople
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.03,0:24:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who wanted to expand over the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.61,0:24:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you can see, this material\Nhas been clipped from newspapers
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.35,0:24:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put onto paper,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.79,0:24:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then collected in folders.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.12,0:24:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you see a small corner\Nof the Person's Archive,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.26,0:24:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, similarly, information\Nhas been collected on companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.18,0:24:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on general topics, on wares,\Non everybody,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.53,0:25:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on everything which could be interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.98,0:25:11.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These folders have been scanned
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.65,0:25:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to roughly 1949.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.08,0:25:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the DFG-funded project in 2004 to 2007.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.27,0:25:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a result, up to now,\Nit was 25,000 thematic dossiers
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.73,0:25:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this time.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.77,0:25:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This contained about 2 million,\Nor more than 2 million pages.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.84,0:25:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these are online.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.63,0:25:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This application developed\Nat that time by ZBW,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.01,0:25:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which now looks a bit outdated,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.03,0:25:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not so fancy, \Nand what’s more of a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.60,0:26:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an application which was built\Narchitecturally on Oracle,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.35,0:26:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was built on ColdFusion,\Nit runs on Windows servers,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.23,0:26:14.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's not very sustainable\Nin the long term.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.01,0:26:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have discussed\Nshould we migrate this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.27,0:26:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a more fancy linked data application,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.93,0:26:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or should we take a radical step
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.96,0:26:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put all this data in the open.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.84,0:26:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have assigned CC0 license to that data
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.42,0:26:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, currently, moving some main--
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.04,0:26:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access layer, some main discovery layer--\Nso it's a primary access layer
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.84,0:26:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the open linked data web,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.32,0:26:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it actually makes most sense
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.88,0:27:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put some metadata into Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.37,0:27:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to make sure that all folders
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.59,0:27:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the collections are linked to Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.48,0:27:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they are findable,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.24,0:27:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that all metadata about these folders
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.44,0:27:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also transferred to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.34,0:27:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it can be used there,\Nand it can be enriched there, possibly.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.78,0:27:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Corrections can be made to that data.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.64,0:27:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is still maintained by ZBW is,\Nof course, the storage of the images,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.95,0:27:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we can't put in any way,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.55,0:27:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we can't give a license on that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.33,0:27:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this was owned\Nby the original creators.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.27,0:27:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we make sure that they are accessible
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.50,0:28:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by some, again, metadata files\Nvia DFG Viewer
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.11,0:28:06.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the future by IIIF manifests.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.85,0:28:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we will prepare\Nsome static landing pages
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.71,0:28:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will serve as a data point\Nof reference for Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.33,0:28:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as still making available data
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.60,0:28:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doesn't fit well into Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.25,0:28:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[For us] is migration\Nand data donation to Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.16,0:28:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our custom infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.63,0:28:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of SPARQL endpoint with that data,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.89,0:28:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we basically used federated queries
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.99,0:28:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between that endpoint\Nand the Wikidata Query Service
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.83,0:28:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create according statements
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.21,0:29:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through [eyes of] concatenated
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.11,0:29:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in SPARQL queries themselves,\Nor transformed via a script,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.91,0:29:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which also generated references\Nfor the statements.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.74,0:29:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then put that into QuickStatements\Nof the code to use this online.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.54,0:29:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is what we get.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.49,0:29:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not only simple things\Nlike birth dates, but, sorry--
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.84,0:29:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also complex statements
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.100,0:29:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about already existing items,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.79,0:29:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this person was a supervisory\Nboard member of said company
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.68,0:29:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during this period of time,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.66,0:29:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and referenced for use in...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.46,0:30:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the scientific context.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.76,0:30:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first part of this data donation\Nhas been finished.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.74,0:30:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Person's Archive\Nis completely linked to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.33,0:30:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is also an information tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.65,0:30:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of items which have been before
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.36,0:30:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not had any external references.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.28,0:30:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we had about more\Nthan 6,000 statements,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.20,0:30:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are now sourced\Nin this archive's metadata.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.29,0:30:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, this was the most easy part,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.88,0:30:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because persons are easily\Nidentifiable in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.49,0:31:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More than 90% already existed here,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.44,0:31:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we could link to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.41,0:31:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We created some 100 items for these,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.49,0:31:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the ones which were missing.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.30,0:31:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now, we are working
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.63,0:31:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the rest of the archive,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.16,0:31:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly on the topics archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.24,0:31:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which means mapping a historic system\Nfor the organization of knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.68,0:31:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the whole world,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.88,0:31:34.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,materialized as newspaper\Nclippings to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.30,0:31:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To give you a basic idea,\Nthe Countries and Topics archive
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.67,0:31:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is organized by a hierarchy of countries
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.77,0:31:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other geographic entities,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.50,0:31:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is translated to English,\Nwhich makes this more easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.44,0:32:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And German deeply nested...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.88,0:32:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deeply nested classification of topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.06,0:32:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this combination defines one...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.03,0:32:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one folder.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.02,0:32:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what we now want to do\Nis to match this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.13,0:32:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a structure to Wikidata,\Nand to bring the data in.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.58,0:32:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to invite you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.34,0:32:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join this really nice challenge
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.80,0:32:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of knowledge organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.74,0:32:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's a WikiProject\Nwhere this work is tracked,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.71,0:32:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can follow this\Nor participate in this.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.59,0:32:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, yes, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.64,0:32:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.100,0:33:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're taking\Nperforming arts to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.74,0:33:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're taking performing arts\Nto the linked open data cloud,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.93,0:33:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by building a linked open data\Necosystem for the performing arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.16,0:33:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the question I'm trying to answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.07,0:33:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hope you'll help me\Nin answering the questions
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.46,0:33:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which place for Wikidata and all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.01,0:33:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let me first start with my experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.32,0:33:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I made this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.72,0:33:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first half of the year,\Nwhen I had the pleasure
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.56,0:33:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to work with CAPACOA,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.35,0:33:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the Canadian Arts\NPresenting Association,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.07,0:33:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which actually launched a project\Ncalled Linked Digital Future Initiative,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.83,0:33:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually get the entire art sector\Nin Canada to embrace linked open data.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.44,0:33:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they did that based on the observation
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.89,0:33:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that over the past five years,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.73,0:34:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the [inaudible]-- the important topic\Nwithin performing arts
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.92,0:34:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the fact that metadata\Nwas not around in sufficient quality
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.86,0:34:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not interlinked, not interoperable.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.11,0:34:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was why some of the performances,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.50,0:34:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the events\Nare not so well findable
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.54,0:34:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Google and by personal\Ncomputer-based assistants, and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.99,0:34:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the vision we kind\Nof developed together
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.76,0:34:32.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we want to have a knowledge base
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.01,0:34:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for many stakeholders at once.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.65,0:34:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we looked at the entire\Nperforming arts value network,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.64,0:34:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we identified key stakeholders in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.07,0:34:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we looked at the usage scenarios\Nthat we like to pursue,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.72,0:34:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we kind of mapped it\Nto the whole architecture
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.07,0:34:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of such a knowledge base,\Nor of the different platforms in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.10,0:34:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, obviously,\Nis a distributed architecture,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.54,0:35:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not one big monolith.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.50,0:35:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just going to run\Nthrough that quite quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.66,0:35:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have ten minutes each.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.04,0:35:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think we'll have plenty of time\Ntonight or tomorrow to deepen that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.80,0:35:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if anybody's interested in the details.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.32,0:35:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we started from\Nthat Performing Arts Value Network,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.12,0:35:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, interestingly,\Nwas just published last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.26,0:35:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're lucky to be able\Nto build on previous work,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.69,0:35:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you have the primary value chain\Nof the performing arts in the middle,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.10,0:35:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and various stakeholders around that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.18,0:35:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All in all, we identified\N20 stakeholder groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.39,0:35:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which then we kind of boiled down\Ninto seven larger categories
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.40,0:35:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for each of the stakeholder groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.46,0:35:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We kind of formulated what kind of needs
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.56,0:35:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would have in terms\Nof such an infrastructure,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.72,0:35:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what would they be able to achieve\Nif the whole thing was interlinked
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.57,0:36:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the data was publicly accessible.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.64,0:36:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, you can see the types here,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:04.99,0:36:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different types is {\i1}Production{\i0},\Nthen {\i1}Presention & Promotion{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.18,0:36:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Coverage & Reuse{\i0}, {\i1}Live Audiences{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.06,0:36:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Online Consumption{\i0}, {\i1}Heritage{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.85,0:36:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Research & Education{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.96,0:36:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after kind of setting up a big table,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.92,0:36:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of which you can see\Njust the first part here,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.28,0:36:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we kind of compared [over there],\Nhad a look at which type of data
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.13,0:36:26.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were actually used across the board
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.95,0:36:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by all different groups of stakeholders.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.25,0:36:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's quite a large basis of data\Nthat is common to all of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.59,0:36:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is really is the area
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.41,0:36:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it makes a lot of sense, actually,\Nto cooperate and to keep that--
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.06,0:36:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to maintain the data together.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.60,0:36:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when talking about\Nplatform architecture,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.65,0:36:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that we have four layers here.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.10,0:36:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the bottom, display the data layer.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.45,0:36:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, Wikidata plays a part in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.72,0:37:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also a lot of other databases,\Ndistributed databases
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.73,0:37:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can expose data\Nthrough SPARQL endpoints.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.20,0:37:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The yellow part in the middle,\Nthat's the semantic layer.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.11,0:37:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's our common language\Nto describe our things,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.08,0:37:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make statements about things\Naround the performing arts, the ontology.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.40,0:37:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have an application layer
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.24,0:37:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that consists of various modules,\Nfor example, data analysis,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.55,0:37:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data extraction-- so, how do you\Nactually get unstructured data
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.61,0:37:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into structured data--
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.03,0:37:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we support that by tools.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.44,0:37:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, obviously, there's\Na visualization of data--
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.48,0:37:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if there are large quantities of data,\Nyou want to visualize it in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.80,0:37:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the top, you have\Nthe presentation layer,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.16,0:37:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what the ordinary people\Nare actually interacting with
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.81,0:37:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a daily basis--
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.20,0:37:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search engines, encyclopedias,\Ncultural agendas,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.62,0:38:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a variety of other services.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.40,0:38:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not starting from scratch.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.39,0:38:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some work has already\Nbeen done in this area.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.11,0:38:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just cite a few examples\Nfrom a project
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.04,0:38:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I have been involved in.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.24,0:38:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some other stuff going on as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.15,0:38:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I started in this area
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.20,0:38:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Swiss Archive\Nof the Performing Arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.00,0:38:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Until] building a Swiss\NPerforming Arts database,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.80,0:38:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we created the performing arts ontology,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.05,0:38:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's currently being\Nimplemented into RDF.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.70,0:38:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there we have the database\Nof like 60, 70 years
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.77,0:38:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of performance history in Switzerland.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.31,0:38:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's something that can build on,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.14,0:38:48.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's something\Nthat's been transformed into RDF.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.97,0:38:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was a builder platform\Nwhere this data can be accessed.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.07,0:39:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have done\Nseveral ingests into Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.66,0:39:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partly from Switzerland,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.88,0:39:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partly also from\Nthe performance arts institutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.68,0:39:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, Bart Magnus\Nwas involved in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.88,0:39:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the driving force behind that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.08,0:39:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also stuff from Wikimedia Commons,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.22,0:39:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not very well interlinked\Nwith all the rest of our metadata.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.36,0:39:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And obviously, by doing this ingest,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.10,0:39:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we also kind of started to implement\Nparts of this Swiss data model
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.27,0:39:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.77,0:39:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then one of the Canadian\Nimplementation partners
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.56,0:39:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Culture Creates.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.01,0:39:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're running a platform that actually\Nscrapes information from theater websites,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.87,0:39:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inputs it into a knowledge graph,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.29,0:39:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to then expose it to search engines\Nand other search devices.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.42,0:40:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there again, we kind of had\Nto implement and extend this in ontology.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.26,0:40:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as you can see from the slide,\Nis that there's so many empty spaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.16,0:40:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's also some overlap,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.60,0:40:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an important overlap, obviously,\Nis the common shared language,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.46,0:40:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will help us actually interlink\Nthe various data sets.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.76,0:40:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is also important, obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.59,0:40:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we're using the same\Nbase registers and authority files.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.41,0:40:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is a place where Wikidata\Nplays an important role
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.37,0:40:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by kind of interlinking these.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.62,0:40:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I'd like to share the recommendations
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.80,0:40:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Linked Data Future Initiatives\NAdvisory Committee.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.77,0:40:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least the two first recommendations.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.17,0:40:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for the Canadians,\Nnow it's absolutely crucial
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.93,0:40:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to kind of fill in their own Canadian\Nperforming arts knowledge graph,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.17,0:40:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because unlike the Swiss Archive\Nof the Performing Arts,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.85,0:40:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're not starting\Nwith an already existing database,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.39,0:41:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're kind of\Ncreating it from scratch.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.91,0:41:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's absolutely crucial\Nto have data in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.47,0:41:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And second, as you can see,\Ncomes in already Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.02,0:41:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata, by the Advisory Committee,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.34,0:41:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been seen as complementary\Nto {\i1}Artsdata.ca{\i0}, this knowledge graph,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.35,0:41:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, therefore, efforts should\Nbe undertaken to contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.47,0:41:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to its population\Nwith performing arts-related data.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.81,0:41:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's where we're going to work on\Nover the coming months and years,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.78,0:41:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's also why\NI'm kind of on the lookout here
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.75,0:41:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see who else will join that effort.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.56,0:41:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, right now, obviously,\Nwe're saying they're complementary.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.94,0:41:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we have to think about whether\Nthe pluses and the minuses
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.34,0:41:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of each of the approaches.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.84,0:41:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can see here a comparison
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.07,0:41:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between Wikidata and the Classical\NLinked Open Data approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.89,0:41:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would be happy to discuss\Nthat further with you guys,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.95,0:42:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how your experiences are in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.81,0:42:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, as I see it, Wikidata is a huge plus\Nbecause it's a crowdsourcing platform,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:07.73,0:42:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's easy to invite further parties\Nto actually contribute.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.68,0:42:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the negative side, obviously,\Nyou get this problem of loss of control.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.66,0:42:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Data owners have to give up control\Nover their graphs, data quality,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.76,0:42:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and completeness.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.55,0:42:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's harder to track on Wikidata\Nthan if you have it under your control.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.49,0:42:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other strength of Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.38,0:42:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it requires immediate integration\Ninto that worldwide graph.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.62,0:42:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you kind of just do it--
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.54,0:42:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of reconcile step by step\Nagainst other databases,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.77,0:42:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which may also be seen by some\Nas an advantage,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.53,0:42:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but of course, if you're looking\Nfor integration and interoperability,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.91,0:42:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata forces you to go for that\Nfrom the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.18,0:43:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, obviously, harmonizing\Ndata modeling practices
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.16,0:43:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an issue in both cases.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.04,0:43:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it may seem, at the beginning,\Neasier to do with just in your own silo,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.67,0:43:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because at some point,\Nyou're done with the task,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.36,0:43:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would be\Nan ongoing task on Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.28,0:43:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when it now comes to prioritizing\Nthe data to be ingested,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.54,0:43:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's like the rules\NI kind of go by at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.06,0:43:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, we'd like to ingest it
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.32,0:43:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's unclear who would be\Nthe natural authority in the given area.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.19,0:43:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's definitely data\Nthat will be managed in a shared manner.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.90,0:43:44.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we'd like to ingest it where we see
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.39,0:43:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a high potential\Nfor crowdsourcing approaches.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.15,0:43:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd like to ingest data where the data\Nis likely to be reused
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.69,0:43:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.81,0:44:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's also hope that some part\Nof the international coordination
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.26,0:44:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the whole data modeling,\Nabout the standardization,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.36,0:44:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could actually take place\Ndirectly on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.53,0:44:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's not taking place elsewhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.48,0:44:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it kind of forces people\Nto start interacting
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.30,0:44:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they ingest data in the same part.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.96,0:44:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we'd like to focus now next\Non base registers and authority files
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.18,0:44:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they kind of help us\Ncreate the linkages
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.08,0:44:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between different data\Nand uncontrolled vocabularies
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.01,0:44:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an extension of the existing ontology.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.96,0:44:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, just two more slides.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.48,0:44:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next steps will be that we're taking\Nthe sum of all GLAMs approach
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.98,0:44:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Wiki Loves Performing Arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.89,0:44:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means we're describing\Nvenues and organizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.52,0:44:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to push the data to Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.11,0:44:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in forms of infoboxes\Nand [bubble] templates.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:54.41,0:44:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other one, the other projects\NI'm going to pursue is COST Action
Dialogue: 0,0:45:00.34,0:45:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we'll submit next year
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.14,0:45:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around that Linked Open Data Ecosystem\Nfor the Performing Arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.04,0:45:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,COST is a European program\Nthat supports networking activities,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.35,0:45:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the topics to be covered\Nare listed here.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.93,0:45:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two of them, I have highlighted--
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.40,0:45:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of them is like the question\Nof federation between Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.70,0:45:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the classical linked\Nopen data approaches.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.37,0:45:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other one, I think,\Nis very important also,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.74,0:45:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we have a huge potential still,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.53,0:45:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is implementing international campaigns\Nto supplement data on Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.63,0:45:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's it. Thank you\Nfor your attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.36,0:45:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I would like to ask\Nmy colleagues up here.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.09,0:45:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To the panel, maybe you'll get them\Nmicrophones as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:53.90,0:45:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I would like to...
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.47,0:45:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give you the chance to ask questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.04,0:46:05.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And obviously, also ask my colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:46:05.75,0:46:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they have questions to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.05,0:46:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, do we have maybe a question\Nfrom the audience?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.50,0:46:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man) [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.59,0:46:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to ask from each of you
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.03,0:46:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where would you draw the line,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.84,0:46:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically, how you define--
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.08,0:46:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when do you need to run your own Wikibase,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.96,0:46:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what do you want to put on Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.33,0:46:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, is this a clear delineation\Nof what is seen
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.68,0:46:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind of putting it [into order.]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.21,0:46:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can answer first because I have the mic.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.48,0:46:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I've been thinking\Nthat one of the issues is notability.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.21,0:47:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm addressing that\Nin a different project.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.08,0:47:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think licensing could be one,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.90,0:47:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you can apply your own terms\Nin your own database,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.47,0:47:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I think wherever it's possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.28,0:47:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, the third one\Nis just to have it as a sandbox,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.88,0:47:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prepare it for ingestion into Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.08,0:47:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the three main things\Nthat I come up with now,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.08,0:47:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can come up with more.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.98,0:47:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, rights are always\Ngoing to be an issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.37,0:47:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if the National Library\Nwanted to move towards Wikibase,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.69,0:47:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would enable them to continue\Nto control the licensing
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.74,0:47:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the work they've done\Nwith Maori language terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.44,0:47:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kakapo database only contains data
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.48,0:47:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Department of Conservation\Nfelt could be made public,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.98,0:47:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I suspect if they see it\Nup and running,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.74,0:47:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they might be tempted\Nto use a private Wikibase
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.98,0:47:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to maintain their own database,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.13,0:48:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply because of some\Nof the visualization tools
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.21,0:48:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be applied might be better
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.57,0:48:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the sort of Excel spreadsheet system\Nthat they currently run.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.34,0:48:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I think this very much depends\Non the kind of data.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.61,0:48:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are, with the Press Archive, of course,\Nin a quite lucky position,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.36,0:48:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that this was material\Nwhich was published,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.98,0:48:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was published at the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.15,0:48:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was expensive to publish.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:33.08,0:48:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is quite easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.23,0:48:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, also, projects--
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.10,0:48:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is a typical project,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.03,0:48:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it was funded for some time,\Nand then funding ended,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.47,0:48:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what happens with the data\Nwhich is enclosed in some silo,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.14,0:48:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some software\Nwhich will not run forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.85,0:48:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, it makes\Nabsolute sense in my eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.90,0:49:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time, Wikidata\Nwasn't around, but now it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.38,0:49:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it makes absolute sense\Nfor our project to early on
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.34,0:49:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discuss sustainability in the context\Nof how could we put this
Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.73,0:49:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a larger ecosystem like Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.72,0:49:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and discuss this with the data community
Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.41,0:49:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is notable and what makes sense\Nto add this to Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.86,0:49:32.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what makes sense to keep this\Nas a proprietary form.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.09,0:49:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe in a more simple form\Nthan sophisticated application,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.75,0:49:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but make it discoverable\Nand make it linked to the large data cloud
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.06,0:49:46.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead of investing lots of money
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.03,0:49:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into some silo which will not sustain.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.20,0:50:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, as I said before\Nin the project I was presenting here,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.12,0:50:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are dualities between Wikidata\Nand classical linked open data approaches.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:04.93,0:50:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's not so much about\Nsetting up a private Wikibase.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.15,0:50:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like one challenge we have had,\Nand, of course, in Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.50,0:50:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that when we ingest\Nyour own data there,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.71,0:50:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you also have to do some housekeeping
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.74,0:50:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people, of other people, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.04,0:50:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they can put off people,\N[or it also means] that we will address it
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.26,0:50:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just step by step.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.38,0:50:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there will be, at the moment,\Na database living--
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.87,0:50:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in classical linked open data
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.58,0:50:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're starting to linking it\Nwith Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.40,0:50:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a continuous process to find out
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.80,0:50:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for which areas the most data\Nwill be eventually on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.17,0:50:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for which areas it will actually\Nlive on other databases.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:52.62,0:50:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, we'll have challenges\Nregarding synchronization,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.14,0:50:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we probably all have,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.59,0:51:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that linked data field,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.51,0:51:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we still have\Nto negotiate who we trust,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:05.16,0:51:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has authority about what.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.83,0:51:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(assistant) Other questions?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.98,0:51:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(woman) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.09,0:51:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, fully agree with that issue of--
Dialogue: 0,0:51:34.42,0:51:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where to put the boundary\Nbetween why do we put data on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.04,0:51:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or why do we keep them,\Nand create, manage, and maintain them
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.14,0:51:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in local databases and for what purposes.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.78,0:51:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that\Nthis is a large discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.21,0:52:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that goes beyond just the excitement
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.38,0:52:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of putting data on Wikidata\Nbecause it is public,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.43,0:52:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it serves humanity, because--
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.03,0:52:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while there are two cool tools,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.36,0:52:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things are more complicated\Nin real life, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.16,0:52:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, despite this,\Nit's quite an interesting discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.44,0:52:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then this is another issue, also,\Nor another problem that is being discussed
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.74,0:52:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this event in different panels.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.78,0:52:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is on one side, have your own database,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.13,0:52:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever the technology is
Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.19,0:52:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and publish things on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.23,0:52:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or build your own system
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.17,0:52:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of creating and managing information
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.25,0:52:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Wikibase technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.59,0:53:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, synchronize or whatever--\Ndo federation or things,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.28,0:53:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's a matter\Nof technology that is used,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:09.18,0:53:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the fact that you use Wikidata\Njust for publishing,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:14.98,0:53:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the infrastructure\Nthat is underneath Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.64,0:53:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create and manage your data.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:27.12,0:53:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we had a discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.91,0:53:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the Wikibase panel,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.25,0:53:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there will be other discussions here,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.91,0:53:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but things are\Non different levels, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.63,0:53:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe [you sort of get] to that discussion\Nabout Wikibase or Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:53:48.93,0:53:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's problematic\Nthat we are focusing so much
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.43,0:53:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this Wikibase infrastructure,\Nbecause there are other infrastructures,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.16,0:53:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in the area of performing arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.81,0:54:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have another complementary community,\Nwhich is MusicBrainz
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.05,0:54:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that runs on their own platform\Nthat provides linked open data,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.61,0:54:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as I understand it,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.16,0:54:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's agreement\Nwithin the Wikidata community
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.23,0:54:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're not going\Nto double all their data--
Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.73,0:54:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not going to copy all their data,\Nbut we accept that they're complementary.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.85,0:54:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what will happen when you start\Nintegrating this data in Wikipedia?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.25,0:54:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Infoboxes, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.91,0:54:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would we be able to pull that data\Ndirectly from their SPARQL endpoint?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.76,0:54:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or would we be obliged\Nto kind of copy all the data,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:39.60,0:54:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what kind of processes\Nare involved in that?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.22,0:54:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(woman) Discussions are open, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.92,0:54:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because within this event,\Nyou have both interested communities--
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.62,0:54:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those that are interested in Wikibase,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:51.98,0:54:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those that are interested in Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.00,0:54:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who are interested in both.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.28,0:54:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, but we're not going\Nto oblige them to move to Wikibase.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.16,0:55:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (woman) Not necessarily.\N- MusicBrainz is not running on Wikibase.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:03.14,0:55:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(woman) No, I just wanted to say\Nthat you have separate problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.80,0:55:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes interrelated,\Nsometimes not completely separated.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.48,0:55:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had another question or remark
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.57,0:55:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the management of hierarchies\Nin controlled vocabularies,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:22.01,0:55:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like thesaurus, like you in Finto.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.70,0:55:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do have the places
Dialogue: 0,0:55:31.50,0:55:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Maori
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.42,0:55:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subject Headings,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.26,0:55:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they have to deal with\Nthe management of concepts in hierarchy.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.36,0:55:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your take, your opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.32,0:55:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the possibility\Nof managing this controlled
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.85,0:56:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge organization\Nsystems in Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.17,0:56:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in the case\Nof Finto and YSO places,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.50,0:56:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the repository will be a collection
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.39,0:56:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of several sources, eventually.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.94,0:56:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it is in flux, anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:21.61,0:56:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we don't have to necessarily--
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.53,0:56:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I don't represent\Nthe National Library,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:28.38,0:56:31.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in that possible project,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.51,0:56:35.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would not have\Nto maintain an existing--
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.71,0:56:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or fight with an existing structure.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.54,0:56:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, in that sense, it is an area\Nopen for exploration.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.91,0:56:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Maori Subject Headings\Nseems to lend themselves ideally
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.27,0:56:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Wikidata structure,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.39,0:56:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the licensing,\Nof course, forbids that.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:56.96,0:56:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suspect that if the licensing\Nwere different
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.49,0:57:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were put into Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.51,0:57:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as soon as somebody decided\Nthey didn't like the hierarchy
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.56,0:57:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and started to change things,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.16,0:57:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there would be an immediate outcry\Nfrom people who worked very hard
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.00,0:57:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create that structure
Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.30,0:57:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get the sign-off\Nfrom various different Maori
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.64,0:57:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was the current hierarchy.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:18.38,0:57:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's an issue to try and resolve.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:23.81,0:57:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in terms of knowledge\Norganization systems,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.50,0:57:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are all different.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.12,0:57:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not sure\Nif it would be a good idea
Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.75,0:57:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to represent different hierarchies\Nin Wikidata as such,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:37.65,0:57:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it maybe makes sense\Nto think about overlays
Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.94,0:57:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the data.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:45.43,0:57:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, to do mappings on the content level.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:49.09,0:57:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, as ZBW partnership\NThesaurus for Economics.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:55.42,0:57:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this thesaurus has its own hierarchy,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:59.68,0:58:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, of course, it would be possible\Nto project the hierarchy
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.46,0:58:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this thesaurus into Wikidata concepts
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.45,0:58:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without actually storing\Nthis kind of structure
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.18,0:58:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an alternative structure\Nwithin Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.84,0:58:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would make a lot of confusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:18.64,0:58:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think we should think\Nof Wikidata, also, as a pool of concepts
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.79,0:58:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which can be connected on layers\Nwhich are outside,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.26,0:58:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and which give another view of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.49,0:58:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not necessarily to be\Nwithin Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.78,0:58:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(assistant) Alright. Some other questions?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:49.10,0:58:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise-- okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:54.77,0:58:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man 2) Joachim, I just wanted\Nto follow up on that last point.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.78,0:59:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, these layers, as you picture it,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.20,0:59:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would be maintained externally
Dialogue: 0,0:59:04.14,0:59:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and somehow integrated
Dialogue: 0,0:59:08.96,0:59:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Wikidata from the Wikidata side,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:11.76,0:59:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have you thought a bit further
Dialogue: 0,0:59:17.14,0:59:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how that might be managed?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.35,0:59:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, no, I have no--
Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.27,0:59:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have done experiments\Nwith ZBW and Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.77,0:59:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was [inaudible] here at Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.13,0:59:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think this is\Na whole new complex thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.26,0:59:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so, it's up to [discuss],\N[to give up a lot of control]
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.41,0:59:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do such things.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:47.91,0:59:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it has to be figured out.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.64,0:59:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we take one more?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:57.96,0:59:59.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man 3) Ah, great.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.69,1:00:02.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just wondering\Nabout the kakapo project.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.88,1:00:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh-hmm.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:05.00,1:00:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man 3) Okay. So, did you get\Nany pushback from the Wikidata community
Dialogue: 0,1:00:10.80,1:00:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about having individual animals\Nout of those items?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.58,1:00:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not so far.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:16.84,1:00:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man 3) Has anyone heard\Nabout this before?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:19.04,1:00:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it "not so far" because\Nno one has heard about it yet?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:23.08,1:00:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's been a small discussion\Nfor quite some time now--
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.10,1:00:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those people interested\Nin this sort of thing in Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.24,1:00:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we all seem to think\Nthat it's a natural extension
Dialogue: 0,1:00:32.22,1:00:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of getting individual Wikidata items\Nto a famous racehorse
Dialogue: 0,1:00:35.86,1:00:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or someone's cat, which--\Nthat's modeled pretty well.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:39.76,1:00:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess just the audacious thing\Nis putting the entire species in there.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.44,1:00:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think it's perfectly manageable.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.11,1:00:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man 3) Don't try it with cats and dogs.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:50.17,1:00:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.46,1:00:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(assistant) Okay. I think\Nthe time is finished.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.34,1:00:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much for attending.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.77,1:00:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the speakers will be still open\Nfor the questions and a break.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:59.27,1:01:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And have fun.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.80,1:01:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.29,1:01:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)