WEBVTT 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:02.880 So this is a story 00:00:02.904 --> 00:00:05.269 about how we know what we know. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:05.690 --> 00:00:08.587 It's a story about this woman, 00:00:08.611 --> 00:00:10.547 Natalia Rybczynski. 00:00:10.912 --> 00:00:12.960 She's a paleobiologist, 00:00:12.984 --> 00:00:16.868 which means she specializes in digging up really old dead stuff. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:16.892 --> 00:00:19.750 (Audio) Natalia Rybczynski: Yeah, I had someone who called me 00:00:19.774 --> 00:00:20.925 Dr. Dead Things. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:20.949 --> 00:00:23.576 Latif Nasser: And I think she's particularly interesting 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:25.513 because of where she digs that stuff up, 00:00:25.537 --> 00:00:29.600 way above the Arctic Circle in the remote Canadian tundra. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:29.901 --> 00:00:32.956 Now, one summer day in 2006, 00:00:32.980 --> 00:00:36.171 she was at a dig site called the Fyles Leaf Bed, 00:00:36.195 --> 00:00:40.773 which is less than 10 degrees latitude away from the magnetic north pole. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:40.797 --> 00:00:43.798 (Audio) NR: Really, like, it's not going to sound very exciting, 00:00:43.822 --> 00:00:47.578 because it was a day of walking with your backpack and your GPS 00:00:47.602 --> 00:00:51.680 and notebook and just picking up anything that might be a fossil. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:51.704 --> 00:00:54.379 LN: And at some point, she noticed something. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:54.403 --> 00:00:56.570 (Audio) NR: Rusty, kind of rust-colored, 00:00:56.594 --> 00:00:58.529 about the size of the palm of my hand. 00:00:58.553 --> 00:01:00.847 It was just lying on the surface. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:00.871 --> 00:01:04.323 LN: And at first she thought it was just a splinter of wood, 00:01:04.347 --> 00:01:06.640 because that's the sort of thing people had found 00:01:06.664 --> 00:01:10.083 at the Fyles Leaf Bed before, prehistoric plant parts. 00:01:10.107 --> 00:01:12.575 But that night, back at camp... NOTE Paragraph 00:01:12.940 --> 00:01:14.901 (Audio) NR: When I get out the hand lens, 00:01:14.925 --> 00:01:17.314 I'm looking a little bit more closely and realizing 00:01:17.338 --> 00:01:19.718 it doesn't quite look like this has tree rings. 00:01:19.742 --> 00:01:21.306 Maybe it's a preservation thing, 00:01:21.330 --> 00:01:24.829 but it looks really like bone. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:24.853 --> 00:01:27.742 LN: Huh. So over the next four years, 00:01:27.766 --> 00:01:30.822 she went to that spot over and over, 00:01:30.846 --> 00:01:36.260 and eventually collected 30 fragments of that exact same bone, 00:01:36.284 --> 00:01:38.204 most of them really tiny. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:38.522 --> 00:01:42.958 (Audio) NR: It's not a whole lot. It fits in a small Ziploc bag. 00:01:42.982 --> 00:01:46.339 LN: And she tried to piece them together like a jigsaw puzzle, 00:01:46.942 --> 00:01:48.386 but it was challenging. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:48.410 --> 00:01:51.561 (Audio) NR: Because it's broken up into so many little tiny pieces, 00:01:51.585 --> 00:01:53.480 I'm trying to use sand and putty, 00:01:53.504 --> 00:01:55.512 and it's not looking good, 00:01:55.536 --> 00:02:00.703 so finally we had a 3D surface scanner. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:00.727 --> 00:02:02.316 LN: Ooh! NR: Yeah, right? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:03.780 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:03.804 --> 00:02:06.547 LN: It turns out it was way easier to do it virtually. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:06.571 --> 00:02:09.341 (Audio) NR: It's kind of magical when it all fits together. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:09.365 --> 00:02:11.564 LN: How certain were you that you had it right, 00:02:11.588 --> 00:02:13.733 that you had put it together in the right way? 00:02:13.757 --> 00:02:16.670 Was there a potential that you put it together a different way 00:02:16.694 --> 00:02:18.695 and you had, like, a parakeet or something? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:23.958 (Audio) NR: (Laughs) Umm, no. No, we got this. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:23.982 --> 00:02:28.083 LN: What she had, she discovered, was a tibia, a leg bone, 00:02:28.107 --> 00:02:32.107 and specifically one that belonged to a cloven-hoofed mammal, 00:02:32.131 --> 00:02:34.980 so something like a cow or a sheep, 00:02:35.004 --> 00:02:37.464 but it couldn't have been either of those. 00:02:37.488 --> 00:02:39.798 It was just too big. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:39.822 --> 00:02:43.885 (Audio) NR: The size of this thing, it was huge. It's a really big animal. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:43.909 --> 00:02:46.950 LN: So what animal could it be? 00:02:47.291 --> 00:02:49.871 Having hit a wall, she showed one of the fragments 00:02:49.895 --> 00:02:52.146 to some colleagues of hers in Colorado, 00:02:52.170 --> 00:02:54.220 and they had an idea. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:54.244 --> 00:02:59.291 (Audio) NR: We took a saw, and we nicked just the edge of it, 00:02:59.315 --> 00:03:06.008 and there was this really interesting smell that comes from it. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:06.521 --> 00:03:09.284 LN: It smelled kind of like singed flesh. 00:03:09.308 --> 00:03:13.388 It was a smell that Natalia recognized from cutting up skulls 00:03:13.412 --> 00:03:16.974 in her gross anatomy lab: collagen. 00:03:16.998 --> 00:03:19.777 Collagen is what gives structure to our bones. 00:03:19.801 --> 00:03:21.959 And usually, after so many years, 00:03:21.983 --> 00:03:23.134 it breaks down. 00:03:23.158 --> 00:03:27.506 But in this case, the Arctic had acted like a natural freezer and preserved it. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:28.205 --> 00:03:29.555 Then a year or two later, 00:03:29.579 --> 00:03:32.848 Natalia was at a conference in Bristol, 00:03:32.872 --> 00:03:35.451 and she saw that a colleague of hers named Mike Buckley 00:03:35.475 --> 00:03:41.030 was demoing this new process that he called collagen fingerprinting. 00:03:41.356 --> 00:03:45.062 It turns out that different species have slightly different structures 00:03:45.086 --> 00:03:48.943 of collagen, so if you get a collagen profile of an unknown bone, 00:03:48.967 --> 00:03:51.286 you can compare it to those of known species, 00:03:51.310 --> 00:03:54.187 and who knows, maybe you get a match. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:54.546 --> 00:03:57.825 So she shipped him one of the fragments, 00:03:57.849 --> 00:03:59.143 FedEx. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:59.167 --> 00:04:02.977 (Audio) NR: Yeah, you want to track it. It's kind of important. 00:04:03.001 --> 00:04:04.254 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:04.278 --> 00:04:06.738 LN: And he processed it, and compared it 00:04:06.762 --> 00:04:10.127 to 37 known and modern day mammal species. 00:04:10.674 --> 00:04:12.323 And he found a match. 00:04:12.347 --> 00:04:17.436 It turns out that the 3.5 million-year old bone 00:04:17.460 --> 00:04:21.705 that Natalia had dug out of the high Arctic 00:04:21.729 --> 00:04:24.007 belonged to... 00:04:24.031 --> 00:04:25.348 a camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:25.372 --> 00:04:27.103 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:27.127 --> 00:04:31.425 (Audio) NR: And I'm thinking, what? That's amazing. If it's true. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:33.501 LN: So they tested a bunch of the fragments, 00:04:33.525 --> 00:04:35.769 and they got the same result for each one. 00:04:36.198 --> 00:04:41.197 However, based on the size of the bone that they found 00:04:41.221 --> 00:04:44.364 was such that it meant that this camel 00:04:44.388 --> 00:04:48.003 was 30 percent larger than modern day camels. 00:04:48.027 --> 00:04:51.218 So this camel would have been about nine feet tall, 00:04:51.242 --> 00:04:53.444 weighed around a ton. 00:04:53.468 --> 00:04:54.482 Yeah. 00:04:54.506 --> 00:04:58.230 Natalia had found a giant Arctic camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:58.254 --> 00:05:00.396 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:02.396 --> 00:05:04.714 Now, when you hear the word camel, 00:05:04.738 --> 00:05:09.094 what may come to mind is one of these, 00:05:09.507 --> 00:05:12.871 the Bactrian camel of East and Central Asia. 00:05:12.895 --> 00:05:16.380 But chances are the postcard image you have in your brain 00:05:16.404 --> 00:05:19.959 is one of these, the dromedary, 00:05:19.983 --> 00:05:22.411 quintessential desert creature -- 00:05:22.435 --> 00:05:26.754 hangs out in sandy hot places like the Middle East and the Sahara, 00:05:26.778 --> 00:05:29.212 has a big old hump on its back for storing water 00:05:29.236 --> 00:05:30.799 for those long desert treks, 00:05:30.823 --> 00:05:34.592 has big, broad feet to help it tromp over sand dunes. 00:05:34.918 --> 00:05:38.774 So how on earth would one of these guys 00:05:38.798 --> 00:05:41.243 end up in the High Arctic? NOTE Paragraph 00:05:41.719 --> 00:05:44.506 Well, scientists have known for a long time, turns out, 00:05:44.530 --> 00:05:47.092 even before Natalia's discovery, 00:05:47.116 --> 00:05:52.734 that camels are actually originally American. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:52.758 --> 00:05:58.458 (Music: The Star Spangled Banner) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:58.482 --> 00:05:59.941 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:59.965 --> 00:06:01.496 They started here. 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:06.354 For nearly 40 of the 45 million years that camels have been around, 00:06:06.378 --> 00:06:09.537 you could only find them in North America, 00:06:09.561 --> 00:06:12.814 around 20 different species, maybe more. 00:06:12.838 --> 00:06:16.083 (Audio) LN: If I put them all in a lineup, would they look different? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:16.107 --> 00:06:18.734 NR: Yeah, so you're going to have different body sizes. 00:06:18.758 --> 00:06:21.052 You're going to have some with really long necks, 00:06:21.076 --> 00:06:23.321 so they're actually functionally like giraffes. 00:06:23.345 --> 00:06:26.416 LN: Some had snouts, like crocodiles. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:26.440 --> 00:06:29.995 (Audio) NR: The really primitive, early ones would have been really small, 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.552 almost like rabbits. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:32.576 --> 00:06:35.423 LN: What? Rabbit-sized camels? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:35.447 --> 00:06:36.884 (Audio) NR: The earliest ones. 00:06:36.908 --> 00:06:39.582 And so those ones you probably would not recognize. Yeah. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:39.606 --> 00:06:41.567 LN: Oh my God, I want a pet rabbit-camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:41.591 --> 00:06:43.598 (Audio) NR: I know, wouldn't that be great? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:44.645 --> 00:06:47.636 LN: And then about three to seven million years ago, 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:50.345 one branch of camels went down to South America, 00:06:50.369 --> 00:06:53.114 where they became llamas and alpacas, 00:06:53.138 --> 00:06:56.060 and another branch crossed over the Bering Land Bridge 00:06:56.084 --> 00:06:57.520 into Asia and Africa. 00:06:57.544 --> 00:06:59.965 And then around the end of the last ice age, 00:06:59.989 --> 00:07:03.361 North American camels went extinct. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:03.893 --> 00:07:06.313 So scientists knew all of that already, 00:07:06.337 --> 00:07:12.413 but it still doesn't fully explain how Natalia found one so far north. 00:07:12.437 --> 00:07:17.111 Like, this is, temperature-wise, the polar opposite of the Sahara. 00:07:17.135 --> 00:07:19.675 Now, to be fair, 00:07:19.699 --> 00:07:22.405 three and half million years ago, it was on average 00:07:22.429 --> 00:07:25.576 22 degrees Celsius warmer than it is now. 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.425 So it would have been boreal forest, 00:07:28.449 --> 00:07:32.829 so more like the Yukon or Siberia today. 00:07:32.853 --> 00:07:36.559 But still, like, they would have six-month-long winters 00:07:36.583 --> 00:07:38.806 where the ponds would freeze over. 00:07:38.830 --> 00:07:40.298 You'd have blizzards. 00:07:40.322 --> 00:07:44.606 You'd have 24 hours a day of straight darkness. 00:07:44.630 --> 00:07:46.938 Like, how? How? 00:07:46.962 --> 00:07:51.120 How is it that one of these Saharan superstars 00:07:51.144 --> 00:07:54.375 ever have survived those arctic conditions? NOTE Paragraph 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.375 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.295 Natalia and her colleagues think they have an answer, 00:08:01.632 --> 00:08:04.073 and it's kind of brilliant. 00:08:04.700 --> 00:08:09.241 What if the very features that we imagine 00:08:09.265 --> 00:08:13.225 make the camel so well-suited to places like the Sahara 00:08:13.249 --> 00:08:16.923 actually evolved to help it get through the winter? 00:08:17.448 --> 00:08:22.145 What if those broad feet were meant to tromp not over sand 00:08:22.169 --> 00:08:25.189 but over snow, like a pair of snowshoes? 00:08:25.792 --> 00:08:28.593 What if that hump -- which, huge news to me, 00:08:28.617 --> 00:08:30.991 does not contain water, it contains fat -- 00:08:31.015 --> 00:08:32.594 (Laughter) 00:08:32.618 --> 00:08:36.404 was there to help the camel get through that six-month-long winter, 00:08:36.428 --> 00:08:37.920 when food was scarce? 00:08:37.944 --> 00:08:41.657 And then, only later, long after it crossed over the land bridge 00:08:41.681 --> 00:08:46.344 did it retrofit those winter features for a hot desert environment? 00:08:46.368 --> 00:08:50.197 Like, for instance, the hump may be helpful to camels in hotter climes 00:08:50.221 --> 00:08:52.839 because having all your fat in one place, 00:08:52.863 --> 00:08:55.458 like a, you know, fat backpack, 00:08:55.482 --> 00:08:58.141 means that you don't have to have that insulation 00:08:58.165 --> 00:08:59.793 all over the rest of your body. 00:08:59.817 --> 00:09:02.531 So it helps heat dissipate easier. 00:09:02.555 --> 00:09:05.396 It's this crazy idea, 00:09:05.420 --> 00:09:10.967 that what seems like proof of the camel's quintessential desert nature 00:09:10.991 --> 00:09:15.030 could actually be proof of its High Arctic past. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:15.832 --> 00:09:19.666 Now, I'm not the first person to tell this story. 00:09:19.690 --> 00:09:24.515 Others have told it as a way to marvel at evolutionary biology 00:09:24.539 --> 00:09:27.990 or as a keyhole into the future of climate change. 00:09:28.855 --> 00:09:31.299 But I love it for a totally different reason. 00:09:31.751 --> 00:09:34.513 For me, it's a story about us, 00:09:34.537 --> 00:09:36.505 about how we see the world 00:09:36.529 --> 00:09:39.060 and about how that changes. 00:09:39.658 --> 00:09:43.030 So I was trained as a historian. 00:09:43.054 --> 00:09:47.307 And I've learned that actually a lot of scientists are historians, too. 00:09:47.331 --> 00:09:48.880 They make sense of the past. 00:09:48.904 --> 00:09:54.229 They tell the history of our universe, of our planet, of life on this planet. 00:09:54.741 --> 00:09:59.014 And as a historian, you start with an idea in your mind 00:09:59.038 --> 00:10:00.769 of how the story goes. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:01.196 --> 00:10:03.681 (Audio) NR: We make up stories, and we stick with it, 00:10:03.705 --> 00:10:05.428 like the camel in the desert, right? 00:10:05.452 --> 00:10:07.897 That's a great story! It's totally adapted for that. 00:10:07.921 --> 00:10:10.150 Clearly, it always lived there. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:10.174 --> 00:10:14.476 LN: But at any moment, you could uncover some tiny bit of evidence. 00:10:14.500 --> 00:10:16.699 You could learn some tiny thing 00:10:16.723 --> 00:10:20.682 that forces you to reframe everything you thought you knew. 00:10:20.706 --> 00:10:24.484 Like, in this case, this one scientist finds this one shard 00:10:24.508 --> 00:10:26.255 of what she thought was wood, 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.317 and because of that, science has a totally new and totally counterintuitive theory 00:10:31.341 --> 00:10:34.956 about why this absurd, Dr. Seuss-looking creature 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:36.512 looks the way it does. 00:10:36.536 --> 00:10:41.940 And, for me, it completely upended the way I think of the camel. 00:10:41.964 --> 00:10:46.346 It went from being this ridiculously niche creature 00:10:46.370 --> 00:10:48.719 suited only to this one specific environment, 00:10:48.743 --> 00:10:51.983 to being this world traveler 00:10:52.007 --> 00:10:54.031 that just happens to be in the Sahara 00:10:54.055 --> 00:10:57.404 and could end up virtually anywhere. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:57.880 --> 00:11:02.880 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:14.396 --> 00:11:16.134 This is Azuri. 00:11:16.589 --> 00:11:19.469 Azuri, hi, how are you doing? 00:11:19.493 --> 00:11:22.040 OK, here, I've got one of these for you here. 00:11:24.135 --> 00:11:28.318 So Azuri is on a break from her regular gig 00:11:28.342 --> 00:11:30.565 at the Radio City Music Hall. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:30.589 --> 00:11:32.738 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:32.762 --> 00:11:34.344 That's not even a joke. 00:11:34.717 --> 00:11:36.454 Anyway -- NOTE Paragraph 00:11:36.478 --> 00:11:40.835 But really, Azuri is here as a living reminder 00:11:40.859 --> 00:11:43.677 that the story of our world 00:11:43.701 --> 00:11:45.106 is a dynamic one. 00:11:45.130 --> 00:11:49.837 It requires our willingness to readjust, to reimagine. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:49.861 --> 00:11:54.138 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:54.162 --> 00:11:55.613 Right, Azuri? NOTE Paragraph 00:11:55.637 --> 00:12:02.053 And really that we're all just one shard of bone away 00:12:02.077 --> 00:12:04.307 from seeing the world anew. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:04.926 --> 00:12:06.086 Thank you very much. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:06.110 --> 00:12:09.821 (Applause)