WEBVTT 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:02.880 So, this is a story 00:00:02.904 --> 00:00:04.833 about how we know what we know. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:05.690 --> 00:00:07.825 It's a story about this woman, 00:00:08.611 --> 00:00:10.547 Natalia Rybczynski. 00:00:10.912 --> 00:00:12.960 She's a paleobiologist, 00:00:12.984 --> 00:00:16.813 which means she specializes in digging up really old dead stuff. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:16.837 --> 00:00:20.339 (Audio) Natalia Rybczynski: Yeah, I had someone call me "Dr. Dead Things." NOTE Paragraph 00:00:20.363 --> 00:00:22.992 Latif Nasser: And I think she's particularly interesting 00:00:23.016 --> 00:00:24.930 because of where she digs that stuff up, 00:00:24.954 --> 00:00:29.149 way above the Arctic Circle in the remote Canadian tundra. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:29.901 --> 00:00:32.956 Now, one summer day in 2006, 00:00:32.980 --> 00:00:36.171 she was at a dig site called the Fyles Leaf Bed, 00:00:36.195 --> 00:00:40.773 which is less than 10 degrees latitude away from the magnetic north pole. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:40.797 --> 00:00:43.524 (Audio) NR: Really, it's not going to sound very exciting, 00:00:43.548 --> 00:00:47.578 because it was a day of walking with your backpack and your GPS 00:00:47.602 --> 00:00:51.680 and notebook and just picking up anything that might be a fossil. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:51.704 --> 00:00:54.379 LN: And at some point, she noticed something. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:54.403 --> 00:00:56.570 (Audio) NR: Rusty, kind of rust-colored, 00:00:56.594 --> 00:00:58.529 about the size of the palm of my hand. 00:00:58.553 --> 00:01:00.847 It was just lying on the surface. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:00.871 --> 00:01:04.323 LN: And at first she thought it was just a splinter of wood, 00:01:04.347 --> 00:01:06.640 because that's the sort of thing people had found 00:01:06.664 --> 00:01:10.083 at the Fyles Leaf Bed before -- prehistoric plant parts. 00:01:10.107 --> 00:01:12.575 But that night, back at camp ... NOTE Paragraph 00:01:12.940 --> 00:01:14.869 (Audio) NR: ... I get out the hand lens, 00:01:14.893 --> 00:01:17.290 I'm looking a little bit more closely and realizing 00:01:17.314 --> 00:01:19.718 it doesn't quite look like this has tree rings. 00:01:19.742 --> 00:01:21.306 Maybe it's a preservation thing, 00:01:21.330 --> 00:01:23.604 but it looks really like ... 00:01:23.628 --> 00:01:24.829 bone. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:24.853 --> 00:01:27.742 LN: Huh. So over the next four years, 00:01:27.766 --> 00:01:30.700 she went to that spot over and over, 00:01:30.724 --> 00:01:36.260 and eventually collected 30 fragments of that exact same bone, 00:01:36.284 --> 00:01:37.945 most of them really tiny. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:38.522 --> 00:01:42.958 (Audio) NR: It's not a whole lot. It fits in a small Ziploc bag. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:42.982 --> 00:01:46.339 LN: And she tried to piece them together like a jigsaw puzzle. 00:01:46.941 --> 00:01:48.386 But it was challenging. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:48.410 --> 00:01:51.230 (Audio) NR: It's broken up into so many little tiny pieces, 00:01:51.254 --> 00:01:55.512 I'm trying to use sand and putty, and it's not looking good. 00:01:55.536 --> 00:02:00.703 So finally, we used a 3D surface scanner. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:00.727 --> 00:02:02.316 LN: Ooh! NR: Yeah, right? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:03.780 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:03.804 --> 00:02:06.547 LN: It turns out it was way easier to do it virtually. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:06.571 --> 00:02:09.341 (Audio) NR: It's kind of magical when it all fits together. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:09.365 --> 00:02:11.564 LN: How certain were you that you had it right, 00:02:11.588 --> 00:02:13.733 that you had put it together in the right way? 00:02:13.757 --> 00:02:16.771 Was there a potential that you'd put it together a different way 00:02:16.795 --> 00:02:18.737 and have, like, a parakeet or something? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:18.761 --> 00:02:20.126 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:20.150 --> 00:02:23.790 (Audio) NR: (Laughs) Um, no. No, we got this. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:24.242 --> 00:02:28.083 LN: What she had, she discovered, was a tibia, a leg bone, 00:02:28.107 --> 00:02:32.107 and specifically, one that belonged to a cloven-hoofed mammal, 00:02:32.131 --> 00:02:34.980 so something like a cow or a sheep. 00:02:35.004 --> 00:02:37.464 But it couldn't have been either of those. 00:02:37.488 --> 00:02:39.271 It was just too big. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:39.822 --> 00:02:43.886 (Audio) NR: The size of this thing, it was huge. It's a really big animal. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:43.910 --> 00:02:46.768 LN: So what animal could it be? 00:02:47.291 --> 00:02:49.871 Having hit a wall, she showed one of the fragments 00:02:49.895 --> 00:02:52.467 to some colleagues of hers in Colorado, 00:02:52.491 --> 00:02:53.751 and they had an idea. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:54.244 --> 00:02:59.291 (Audio) NR: We took a saw, and we nicked just the edge of it, 00:02:59.315 --> 00:03:05.706 and there was this really interesting smell that comes from it. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:06.521 --> 00:03:09.284 LN: It smelled kind of like singed flesh. 00:03:09.308 --> 00:03:11.941 It was a smell that Natalia recognized 00:03:11.965 --> 00:03:15.908 from cutting up skulls in her gross anatomy lab: 00:03:15.932 --> 00:03:17.096 collagen. 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.777 Collagen is what gives structure to our bones. 00:03:19.801 --> 00:03:21.959 And usually, after so many years, 00:03:21.983 --> 00:03:23.134 it breaks down. 00:03:23.158 --> 00:03:27.506 But in this case, the Arctic had acted like a natural freezer and preserved it. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:28.190 --> 00:03:31.813 Then a year or two later, Natalia was at a conference in Bristol, 00:03:31.837 --> 00:03:35.031 and she saw that a colleague of hers named Mike Buckley 00:03:35.055 --> 00:03:40.895 was demoing this new process that he called "collagen fingerprinting." 00:03:41.284 --> 00:03:44.927 It turns out that different species have slightly different structures 00:03:44.951 --> 00:03:46.103 of collagen, 00:03:46.127 --> 00:03:48.943 so if you get a collagen profile of an unknown bone, 00:03:48.967 --> 00:03:51.161 you can compare it to those of known species, 00:03:51.185 --> 00:03:53.723 and, who knows, maybe you get a match. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:54.546 --> 00:03:57.825 So she shipped him one of the fragments, 00:03:57.849 --> 00:03:59.143 FedEx. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:59.167 --> 00:04:02.977 (Audio) NR: Yeah, you want to track it. It's kind of important. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:03.001 --> 00:04:04.254 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:04.278 --> 00:04:05.469 LN: And he processed it, 00:04:05.493 --> 00:04:09.855 and compared it to 37 known and modern-day mammal species. 00:04:10.674 --> 00:04:11.951 And he found a match. 00:04:12.824 --> 00:04:17.436 It turns out that the 3.5 million-year-old bone 00:04:17.460 --> 00:04:21.090 that Natalia had dug out of the High Arctic 00:04:21.729 --> 00:04:22.923 belonged to ... 00:04:24.031 --> 00:04:25.348 a camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:25.372 --> 00:04:27.103 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:27.127 --> 00:04:31.425 (Audio) NR: And I'm thinking, what? That's amazing -- if it's true. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:33.501 LN: So they tested a bunch of the fragments, 00:04:33.525 --> 00:04:35.769 and they got the same result for each one. 00:04:36.197 --> 00:04:41.617 However, based on the size of the bone that they found, 00:04:41.641 --> 00:04:48.004 it meant that this camel was 30 percent larger than modern-day camels. 00:04:48.028 --> 00:04:51.218 So this camel would have been about nine feet tall, 00:04:51.242 --> 00:04:52.440 weighed around a ton. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:52.464 --> 00:04:53.515 (Audience reacts) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:53.539 --> 00:04:54.588 Yeah. 00:04:54.612 --> 00:04:58.105 Natalia had found a Giant Arctic camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:58.129 --> 00:05:00.271 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:02.396 --> 00:05:04.714 Now, when you hear the word "camel," 00:05:04.738 --> 00:05:08.663 what may come to mind is one of these, 00:05:09.507 --> 00:05:12.871 the Bactrian camel of East and Central Asia. 00:05:12.895 --> 00:05:16.380 But chances are the postcard image you have in your brain 00:05:16.404 --> 00:05:19.959 is one of these, the dromedary, 00:05:19.983 --> 00:05:22.411 quintessential desert creature -- 00:05:22.435 --> 00:05:26.754 hangs out in sandy, hot places like the Middle East and the Sahara, 00:05:26.778 --> 00:05:28.258 has a big old hump on its back 00:05:28.282 --> 00:05:30.799 for storing water for those long desert treks, 00:05:30.823 --> 00:05:34.204 has big, broad feet to help it tromp over sand dunes. 00:05:34.918 --> 00:05:40.930 So how on earth would one of these guys end up in the High Arctic? NOTE Paragraph 00:05:41.719 --> 00:05:44.506 Well, scientists have known for a long time, turns out, 00:05:44.530 --> 00:05:47.092 even before Natalia's discovery, 00:05:47.116 --> 00:05:52.734 that camels are actually originally American. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:52.758 --> 00:05:58.458 (Music: The Star-Spangled Banner) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:58.482 --> 00:05:59.941 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:59.965 --> 00:06:01.496 They started here. 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:06.354 For nearly 40 of the 45 million years that camels have been around, 00:06:06.378 --> 00:06:09.537 you could only find them in North America, 00:06:09.561 --> 00:06:12.814 around 20 different species, maybe more. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:12.838 --> 00:06:16.083 (Audio) LN: If I put them all in a lineup, would they look different? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:16.107 --> 00:06:18.542 NR: Yeah, you're going to have different body sizes. 00:06:18.566 --> 00:06:20.478 You'll have some with really long necks, 00:06:20.502 --> 00:06:22.747 so they're actually functionally like giraffes. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:23.345 --> 00:06:26.417 LN: Some had snouts, like crocodiles. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:26.441 --> 00:06:30.025 (Audio) NR: The really primitive, early ones would have been really small, 00:06:30.049 --> 00:06:32.552 almost like rabbits. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:32.576 --> 00:06:35.423 LN: What? Rabbit-sized camels? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:35.447 --> 00:06:36.884 (Audio) NR: The earliest ones. 00:06:36.908 --> 00:06:39.143 So those ones you probably would not recognize. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:39.167 --> 00:06:41.357 LN: Oh my God, I want a pet rabbit-camel. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:41.381 --> 00:06:43.425 (Audio) NR: I know, wouldn't that be great? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:43.449 --> 00:06:44.621 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:06:44.645 --> 00:06:47.304 LN: And then about three to seven million years ago, 00:06:47.328 --> 00:06:50.136 one branch of camels went down to South America, 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.114 where they became llamas and alpacas, 00:06:53.138 --> 00:06:56.060 and another branch crossed over the Bering Land Bridge 00:06:56.084 --> 00:06:57.520 into Asia and Africa. 00:06:57.544 --> 00:06:59.965 And then around the end of the last ice age, 00:06:59.989 --> 00:07:03.088 North American camels went extinct. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:03.893 --> 00:07:06.313 So, scientists knew all of that already, 00:07:06.337 --> 00:07:12.413 but it still doesn't fully explain how Natalia found one so far north. 00:07:12.437 --> 00:07:17.111 Like, this is, temperature-wise, the polar opposite of the Sahara. 00:07:17.135 --> 00:07:19.636 Now to be fair, 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:21.343 three and a half million years ago, 00:07:21.367 --> 00:07:25.466 it was on average 22 degrees Celsius warmer than it is now. 00:07:25.490 --> 00:07:28.425 So it would have been boreal forest, 00:07:28.449 --> 00:07:32.363 so more like the Yukon or Siberia today. 00:07:32.853 --> 00:07:36.559 But still, like, they would have six-month-long winters 00:07:36.583 --> 00:07:38.806 where the ponds would freeze over. 00:07:38.830 --> 00:07:40.298 You'd have blizzards. 00:07:40.322 --> 00:07:43.933 You'd have 24 hours a day of straight darkness. 00:07:43.957 --> 00:07:46.938 Like, how ... How? 00:07:46.962 --> 00:07:51.120 How is it that one of these Saharan superstars 00:07:51.144 --> 00:07:54.375 could ever have survived those arctic conditions? NOTE Paragraph 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.375 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.087 Natalia and her colleagues think they have an answer. 00:08:01.632 --> 00:08:03.642 And it's kind of brilliant. 00:08:04.700 --> 00:08:11.233 What if the very features that we imagine make the camel so well-suited 00:08:11.257 --> 00:08:13.225 to places like the Sahara, 00:08:13.249 --> 00:08:16.661 actually evolved to help it get through the winter? 00:08:17.448 --> 00:08:22.145 What if those broad feet were meant to tromp not over sand, 00:08:22.169 --> 00:08:25.189 but over snow, like a pair of snowshoes? 00:08:25.792 --> 00:08:28.593 What if that hump -- which, huge news to me, 00:08:28.617 --> 00:08:30.991 does not contain water, it contains fat -- NOTE Paragraph 00:08:31.015 --> 00:08:32.594 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:32.618 --> 00:08:36.219 was there to help the camel get through that six-month-long winter, 00:08:36.243 --> 00:08:37.920 when food was scarce? 00:08:37.944 --> 00:08:41.657 And then, only later, long after it crossed over the land bridge 00:08:41.681 --> 00:08:46.099 did it retrofit those winter features for a hot desert environment? 00:08:46.123 --> 00:08:50.197 Like, for instance, the hump may be helpful to camels in hotter climes 00:08:50.221 --> 00:08:52.693 because having all your fat in one place, 00:08:52.717 --> 00:08:55.458 like a, you know, fat backpack, 00:08:55.482 --> 00:08:58.010 means that you don't have to have that insulation 00:08:58.034 --> 00:08:59.793 all over the rest of your body. 00:08:59.817 --> 00:09:02.067 So it helps heat dissipate easier. 00:09:02.555 --> 00:09:05.396 It's this crazy idea, 00:09:05.420 --> 00:09:10.967 that what seems like proof of the camel's quintessential desert nature 00:09:10.991 --> 00:09:14.691 could actually be proof of its High Arctic past. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:15.832 --> 00:09:19.542 Now, I'm not the first person to tell this story. 00:09:19.566 --> 00:09:24.516 Others have told it as a way to marvel at evolutionary biology 00:09:24.540 --> 00:09:27.893 or as a keyhole into the future of climate change. 00:09:28.855 --> 00:09:31.092 But I love it for a totally different reason. 00:09:31.751 --> 00:09:34.513 For me, it's a story about us, 00:09:34.537 --> 00:09:36.505 about how we see the world 00:09:36.529 --> 00:09:38.833 and about how that changes. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:39.658 --> 00:09:43.030 So I was trained as a historian. 00:09:43.054 --> 00:09:47.307 And I've learned that, actually, a lot of scientists are historians, too. 00:09:47.331 --> 00:09:48.880 They make sense of the past. 00:09:48.904 --> 00:09:54.229 They tell the history of our universe, of our planet, of life on this planet. 00:09:54.741 --> 00:09:56.218 And as a historian, 00:09:56.242 --> 00:10:00.613 you start with an idea in your mind of how the story goes. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:01.196 --> 00:10:03.681 (Audio) NR: We make up stories and we stick with it, 00:10:03.705 --> 00:10:05.427 like the camel in the desert, right? 00:10:05.451 --> 00:10:07.897 That's a great story! It's totally adapted for that. 00:10:07.921 --> 00:10:10.150 Clearly, it always lived there. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:10.174 --> 00:10:14.476 LN: But at any moment, you could uncover some tiny bit of evidence. 00:10:14.500 --> 00:10:16.699 You could learn some tiny thing 00:10:16.723 --> 00:10:20.682 that forces you to reframe everything you thought you knew. 00:10:20.706 --> 00:10:24.484 Like, in this case, this one scientist finds this one shard 00:10:24.508 --> 00:10:26.255 of what she thought was wood, 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.317 and because of that, science has a totally new and totally counterintuitive theory 00:10:31.341 --> 00:10:34.956 about why this absurd Dr. Seuss-looking creature 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:36.512 looks the way it does. 00:10:36.536 --> 00:10:41.940 And for me, it completely upended the way I think of the camel. 00:10:41.964 --> 00:10:46.346 It went from being this ridiculously niche creature 00:10:46.370 --> 00:10:48.719 suited only to this one specific environment, 00:10:48.743 --> 00:10:54.031 to being this world traveler that just happens to be in the Sahara, 00:10:54.055 --> 00:10:57.180 and could end up virtually anywhere. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:57.880 --> 00:11:03.855 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:14.396 --> 00:11:15.854 This is Azuri. 00:11:16.589 --> 00:11:19.469 Azuri, hi, how are you doing? 00:11:19.493 --> 00:11:22.041 OK, here, I've got one of these for you here. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:22.065 --> 00:11:24.111 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:24.135 --> 00:11:28.318 So Azuri is on a break from her regular gig 00:11:28.342 --> 00:11:30.565 at the Radio City Music Hall. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:30.589 --> 00:11:32.738 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:32.762 --> 00:11:34.344 That's not even a joke. 00:11:34.717 --> 00:11:36.454 Anyway -- NOTE Paragraph 00:11:36.478 --> 00:11:40.835 But really, Azuri is here as a living reminder 00:11:40.859 --> 00:11:45.106 that the story of our world is a dynamic one. 00:11:45.130 --> 00:11:49.837 It requires our willingness to readjust, to reimagine. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:49.861 --> 00:11:54.138 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:54.162 --> 00:11:55.613 Right, Azuri? NOTE Paragraph 00:11:55.637 --> 00:12:02.053 And, really, that we're all just one shard of bone away 00:12:02.077 --> 00:12:04.307 from seeing the world anew. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:04.926 --> 00:12:06.086 Thank you very much. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:06.110 --> 00:12:12.531 (Applause)