Amanda: In terms of this interview what I wanted to do is just…
Well, I told you how I talked to my empath group about our conversation
where you were talking about when you were in China and the guy that you
worked with said to breathe in people’s energy.
That’s a really interesting way of putting it. I’ve
never heard it put that way, and quite explicitly.
And some people were really triggered by that idea.
So, I thought it would be awesome to have you talk more
specifically about what that is.
Teal: Hell yeah. Let’s just jump right into it. I love it.
Amanda: And I have a lot of good questions for you too.
Teal: Fuck yeah!
Amanda: So you know that, first of all, one of the things we talk
about in my group is the difference between an empath needing protection
and having discernment. And also one of the videos I did said that empaths
need healing, not protection. How important it is to heal the emotional body.
And there’s certain things that we go over a lot. I work with so many empaths.
It seems like there’s almost a glorification of unhealthy dynamics with empaths.
That kind of perpetual martyr syndrome and perpetual victim syndrome.
And this “Oh, I’m so sensitive and everybody comes to me and I have to protect myself”.
It just seems like a lot of empaths are really unhealthy and I think
that is simply because we haven’t healed.
Anyway, so yeah, I know you and I have talked about this a lot.
But I want to hear what your opinion is, not just opinion, your experience
with being highly sensitive, with being empathic. You obviously went through
a lot and have had to learn how to thrive. And be empowered as an empath,
not just be protected.
Teal: So, just start off? giggles
Amanda: Start off.
Teal: I think that, first, what needs to be said is that I’ve never met
an empath in my life that doesn’t suffer from serious boundary issues.
So the real issue with us is not the empathicness, in and of itself.
It’s the fact that we have serious problems with a sense of self.
So, first we should be talking about what healthy boundaries are.
But I think our major issue that we have is that we take this gift
and we assume that it has to come with the package of all these
unhealthy things, right?
Amanda: Right.
Teal: When it really, honestly doesn’t. It could be argued that
part of what gets people to the place where they are even
empathic in the first place might be having poor boundaries
because of the family dynamic that they were in when they were
younger. So, for example, a little girl says, “I don’t wan’t to do that.”
And mom says, “Oh, come on. Be nice now.” And so she learns to tear
down her separations. She learns to tear down her definition of
of what is true for her, or what’s right for her versus what is
right or true for other people. And that enables her to sense
what everybody else is feeling because they don’t sense the
difference between themselves and other people.
So, that could be one of those contrasting experiences that we
opt into so we can develop this empathic behavior. But at the same time
it’s like our evolution is to develop to maintain that connection
with people where the lines are blurred and we perceive oneness
more so than other people, but simultaneously where we’re able to
have a separate sense of self. Sort of like, this is where I
begin and end. So, a lot of the issues with what to do to keep
ourselves in a state of integrity as empaths has to do with
this fact that we have no idea what a healthy boundary is.
We think of boundaries like fences because what boundary we know.
And fences are really designed to keep other people out.
What I’d like to explain to people is that is not what a boundary is.
A boundary doesn’t really have anything to do with other people.
It has to do with your sense of self.
It’s almost like saying, “This is what’s true for me. This is what I like
and don’t want and don’t like. These are my emotions. This is what I am feeling.”
So we have to have a sense of that and that’s how we know where we start
and where we end. We’re playing in this third dimension where we have this
illusion basically of separateness and it’s benefiting us to have this
illusion of separateness right now. and as long as we know it’s an
illusion, which we don’t have to help empaths with that aspect
because we know it’s an illusion. But we have to help empaths to feel
safe to engage in that illusion sometimes. So, rather than a boundary
meaning “This is what I’m going to let you do and not do to me”.
A boundary is about what I say “yes” to relative to myself.
So, when you’re thinking about other people encroaching on you
I can say “no” to you, or I can say “yes” to me.
So, sometimes saying “no” to you is saying “yes” to me.
Where as other times me saying “no” to you is just that.
Amanda: Right
Teal: It’s me resisting you. And that’s going to do nothing, but
bring it closer, which is the number one argument empaths
protecting themselves is that it is not possible to focus on
resisting something, which is what you’re doing when you’re
“protecting yourself”. It’s like a shield. When I bring up
a shield I am protecting myself, which means I am resisting
something that is coming at me. So you can’t focus at the
idea of protection while simultaneously creating the idea
of something that you need to protect yourself against.
Amanda: Exactly. So I’ve talked about this a lot, and one of the
biggest things I always get people saying back to me, especially
people who are empathic and have other extra-sensory abilities as well,
is that the psychic realm is real and psychic attack is real and there’s
a lot of really dangerous things out there. And to tell someone that they
don’t need to protect themselves is like giving them no armor against what
could potentially be incredibly dangerous for them.
So what would you say, especially in those sort of realms like the psychic
realm, what would you say to that?
Teal: I would state that it is very dangerous to engage in those types of thoughts.
As an empath you are more acutely aware of the oneness that exists, but the
moment that you say you have to protect yourself against something you’re
ignoring the fact that the aspect that you’re mirroring is actually yourself.
Basically we could concern ourselves all day long with trying to fix the
reflection in the mirror, or we could try to fix whatever it is that is
causing the reflection. So, when empaths are trying to say I want to protect
myself against all of these psychic attacks they’re essentially stepping in
front of a mirror and seeing that they’re a match to feeling like victims.
And then they’re trying to scrub the reflection clean without saying “Okay,
obviously for me to be a match to psychic attack…” I want you to think
about it like this, like there’s two magnets. For psychic attack to actually work
one side of you can be engaged. So, let’s say that this is a demon.
Let’s just pretend. So, a demon basically is trying to get into you or
another person’s energy is trying to get into you. It can’t actually
make the connection unless this side, kind of like a negative aspect
of the magnet is magnetized to the degree that it goes like this…
slaps hands together
Amanda: Right.
Teal: It does not matter what anyone is focusing at you in this reality unless you are
a match to it.
Amanda: Exactly
Teal: So really the question is, “Why am I a match to all these things coming
at me in such an extreme way?” And this is why the practice of completely
opening yourself up to these energies is so powerful. Because when you do that
you’re acknowledging to some degree that you are welcoming of it.
So you’re not resisting it anymore. And we realize that in this reality
that anything that we resist persists, right?
So, if I resist that demon coming at me I am now focusing on that
demon coming at me and I am making myself a match to it.
If in that moment, a demon is coming at me and I open myself up.
And I’m actually able to do this. This is not like something that
I’m not wanting to do. So let’s say that I am actually able
to open myself up and saying, “I welcome and receive you as my teacher”.
I have a complete… like my polarity basically is not negative/positive.
It can’t connect, right?
Amanda: Right.
Teal: I have just given them a vibration that they are not a match to.
Amanda: Right.
Teal: So if anything wants to attack me… This is like a really, really ancient
philosophy which even the martial artists understand, which is that I am
able to completely open myself up to the bullet it cannot go off.
I am now bending the space-time reality because I made myself a
non-match to the experience. So what I am calling empaths to do,
which was the major changing point in my life is that I am calling
empaths to create a vibration of such magnitude that they are able to
be an ocean that absorbs everything that everything is diluted in.
We as empaths, our issue is that we visualize ourselves because of
our poor boundaries as very, very small and very weak. And everyone’s
intruding on us. If we could come into this space where we’re saying,
“You know what? Maybe I was given this ability for a reason. Maybe
I am capable of transmuting everyone’s vibrations.”
We are actually switching to a frequency that is so high that we can’t
become a match to experiencing the attack.
I’m like the perfect, prime example of this.
I am not the person that came up with this idea regardless of understanding
the way that the universe works. I was the person who was at 17, 18, 19,
“I can’t go outside without my hoodie on because even that’s just too much
energy coming in towards me. I’m not cut out for this world.”
This is what most empaths are like, right? “I’m too sensitive.
And this world is not, so maybe I’m not meant to be here.”
Amanda: Mm-hmm
Teal: So when I went to China originally this guy was watching me and
said this makes no sense. You have to understand that whenever you walk
into a room with that vibration you are match to things like it.
And I didn’t understand the correlation until he made me do it.
He said, “See right now, you’re cowering as this person is walking towards you.
Do you feel the energy of that and what that might be a match to?”
So then he takes me to this train station and he says, “Stop doing that!
When people walk in I want you to think about yourself being big enough with
enough magnitude of breathing all of these energies in.”
And I did, and I expected the worst, right?
But I am in a place as an empath, which most of us are, which is like,
“You know it’s really not worth living this way anyway. So, why not? If I
get annihilated by this practice, it’s just going to be what I was
planning on doing to myself anyway.” So I go and I breath it in and
after a few breaths I realized, “Oh my God, nothing’s happening to me right now
because of this.” Because I had this open attitude there’s nothing really
for these energies to hit against. So you’re not feeling the impact.
And that like shifted absolutely everything in my life. I was able to
go out into public. I stopped wearing hoods. Y’know, it was just amazing.
And I really realize that anytime that you’re engaging in this idea of
protection are you buying into the illusions of self-other, right?
Amanda: Right. Yep.
Teal: You’re really also making yourself a match to attack.
Amanda: Exactly. So what about… I know you’ve said there’s still days that
you feel more vulnerable than others. And what do you do? Do you have any practices
or things that you do? What I would call discernment, if you know your vibration
is low for example, do you do certain things to make sure you’re not in situations
that make you more vulnerable?
Teal: Oh yeah. Hell yeah. See, this is the difference. The difference is once
you’re conscious of yourself being a match to it, it’s not about the other thing.
Actually, I just figured out why we did this. Okay.
Amanda: laughs
Teal: So the day before Halloween, and I have a very hard time because of
my childhood on Halloween. So I understand that just because that date is coming
up and that I have body memory because of that date I’m already in a
lower kind of vibration. And so I went over to this friend’s house and
basically we made this trip through the woods, and I had this moment.
So she basically told me, “There’s this tree that is by my house that has
bones that are tied up in the tree.” Now that triggered me… instantly, right?
It’s not something the friend was doing to hurt me, but that triggered
me because of my associations with bones being tied in trees has to do with my
childhood. So at that moment I had a choice. This is about poor boundaries
versus good boundaries. The self-loving version of Teal could have said,
“I don’t really want to go on a walk by that tree.” Now because I am
typical of a poor boundary empath I was thinking, “Well, I don’t want to
make this friend upset. I’m just going to go on the walk anyways.”
So, I go on the walk and sure enough I’m in a low vibration the entire
time I’m on that walk. Later that night I ended up being a match to one
of the worst psychic attacks that I have experienced in years.
Amanda: WOW.
Teal: Yeah, like super bad. Basically I woke up and I was in complete sleep
paralysis and I was blended between the fourth and third dimension and
there was this enormous leathery red… It was a demon-looking thing on top of me.
Now, PANIC, FREAK OUT. Stand up. Smudged the entire house with Paulo Santo and I’m
like, “What the hell is it about this that is destroying my reality. Maybe I
can’t hang out with that friend anymore. Maybe she’s psychic attacking me, right?”
And I’d go into the typical thing that we do. Now, I sat down after calming
myself down and decided to do what I can do, which is to see what happened
on a conscious level so it’s not happening in dream time and sleep time
when we’re in between. And what I discovered was quite interesting. The place that
we were walking actually made me a match to this thought-form which was created
here in Park City by the people who used to be miners here. So, the story
goes like this… There was a miner that came into Prospect and it used to be that
they would pay a certain amount to go to a certain place and be able to dig
there for a certain amount of days. Now, the place this guy wanted to dig
was given to another Prospector and he basically thought that was a personal
vendetta. So he got really angry about that personal vendetta and he ended
up going there and killed the guy very brutally and then he moved the
body, and in the process this body bled out, basically. So, it had no more
blood in it. And so when he moved it to this place and then left it and he skipped
town, the people that then found the body and saw that it was bloodless and had
slash marks on his neck they basically thought, because a lot of them came from
the east coast, that this has to be like the Jersey Devil.
They thought there was one of these things in Park City. So it becomes a belief
in the group of people who were living here that every inexplicable thing that
was blamed on this Park City version of the Jersey Devil. But if you understand
thought-form, people who believe in something enough, they can actually create
a multi-dimensional thought-form which is what they thought it was. And that
was what I picked up on my hike because of being in that victim vibration.
So, I helped it to cross over and all this other stuff. I explained to it that
they don’t believe in you anymore. You don’t have to exist anymore, so that’s
done. The reason I am telling you this story is because it would be very easy
to say that I need to protect myself because there are all these things that
are going to attack me. What it really is, is recognizing that I was already triggered
prior to going out, which is what made me a match to that experience. It was
that connection of the magnet. So it’s about, “What do I do next time?”
Okay, if I feel that feeling of “This is not right for me”, I get to honor that.
And so like, really the majority… I have a lot of practice which I could talk to
you about. But the number one thing for me and for all empaths is to realize
how to freaking honor our feelings, which WE DON’T DO.
Amanda: Exactly. I know for me that’s one of the number one reasons whenever I
have become a match to something that is like that. Or I’m extremely triggered
and then I feel like a victim or something happens in that way, or I get
psychically attacked it’s because of that exact thing. I haven’t
honored my feelings and honored what I knew I was told or what I felt.
And actually you helped me a lot. A few months ago I remember I had sent you a text
because I was feeling psychically attacked and that never happens to me. Like I’ve
never really had that happen, but a particular person I was working with was
pretty mentally disturbed. I had triggered this person somehow and I could feel
the… It almost felt like a penetration on my third-eye. Very intense. And I could always
recognize this person’s energy signature. And I know these things, but I remember
texting you because it was so overwhelming and so shocking. And I had never
experienced that before. And you kind of gave me some suggestions with essential
oils, but the main thing you said was to do a lot of inner-child work around
feeling victimized. And I spent about three days just recognizing what that
feeling was, when the first times was that I felt this way, going within, and asking my
inner-child what she needed. And realizing as I honored that and I went to her and did
not make it about the other person at all, and then it complete went away and I
have not felt it since.
Teal: Yep.
Amanda: And it also makes you feel empowered because you realize that it isn’t
something out of your control. This is within me. I can go in and I can deal with
it, rather than it being something scary out there that you have no control over.
Teal: Exactly. Which is what we have to get away from as empaths because we
run the risk more than any other type of person of falling into that trap 100%.
So, I have to be very careful with my vibration. That is what I have decided about
myself over the years through a lot of trial and error. Basically, because you’re
an empath you run the risk of this ability going super, super south on you and
attracting only bad feeling things, right? And that is not an objective picture of
reality. We have to understand that. As empaths the objective picture of reality
is that we should be feeling equally as much as bad, if not more good than bad,
because more good actually does exist in this universe. So, if that’s not the case
that means we have a vibration which makes us only a match to seething things
which are negative. So I have to watch it with my vibration from the get-go.
That means the minute I wake up in the morning I have my positive aspects journal.
Now this thing has been like a God-send for me because it makes me a vibrational
match to these things I write down. Now this might sound like a really super
kind of trite self-help technique, but the reality is if you are going to acknowledge
that we live in a Universe that is governed by Law of Attraction, whatever vibration
I get into dictates what I am a match to. So when I wake up in the morning I will
take this out and write an entire page about things that I feel good about right now,
or today. I have to focus on anything that causes me to feel emotionally good.
That is how I start my day. Now that ensures, basically, that I’ve started a snowball
of attraction in my life where I wake up and my day starts going good. So, when
people come to me for help, it’s not like people who come to me don’t come with
negative things. What it is is that I’m more a match to seeing the solutions
then I am a match to seeing the problems. The problems are something I’m aware
of, but it’s not something that becomes mine. Make sense?
Amanda: Right.
Teal: So I’m able to hold a much higher frequency for people who come to see me
then I would otherwise have been. And I do this exercise when I wake up and when
I go to sleep. So, that’s one example. All empaths basically have to take the bull
by the horns of their own vibration. It’s not about what I’m allowing you to do or
not do. It’s about what I am doing to ensure that I am good and okay. And that’s
going to be different for every single one of us. It’s like a lot of us that are
empaths really need to learn to be divas. And being a diva is not about what I am
telling you to do or not to do around me, right? It’s more about me honoring what
I need. So if I am sort of convinced that it is a diva thing that I have to take a
bath in salt every single morning, then that is what I have to do.
Amanda: Right laughs
Teal: So, we have to start experimenting with how good it feels and how less you need
to protect yourself when you really set things up from the get-go. That means that
you develop relationships with people who are completely open from the beginning.
So when any issue comes up you expose it completely. You and I were
practicing this a little bit before you left California. You remember how we were
sitting down and I was telling you about this reception process where
it feels really good for empaths to explain to each other what the motive for
doing things is, both the shadow aspects and the positive aspects. That enables us
to feel safer right? So maybe that’s something that you need and that is in alignment
with your own personal boundaries in your relationships. So let’s say you, Amanda, gave
me a present and I ask you why you gave me this present. And then the practice in our
relationship is you saying the full truth about why you did that. Maybe one part is
maybe you really like to see me happy or maybe the other part is that you feel guilty
that you didn’t respond to my phone call.
Amanda: It just keeps everything in the open. And when someone is honest from the
get-go about even the shadow side of what their motives are it makes it so that there
isn’t any hidden agenda or something that is going to come up unexpectedly.
Teal: Completely. So not to be totally weird and plug stuff in here, but I do
actually have a really good resource for people who really want to understand
about boundaries and start figuring out their own boundaries and conceptualizing
what the hell that even means. I did a YouTube video that is called something like
“How to Have Healthy Boundaries”. Maybe if you go to YouTube and you type in
“Teal Swan Healthy Boundaries” and it may come up that way. I explain what boundaries
are and questions you can ask yourself that help you to develop your own boundaries.
And I explain something in that video that is super crucial, which I want to repeat
here for people who are empathic, which is that you can get really complicated
with all types of boundaries. religious boundaries, spiritual boundaries, personal
boundaries, relationship boundaries, whatever they are, right? But you can sum
them all up in this way… You always know what your boundaries are based on how
you feel. So I’m watching this program and I know that this just causes a
contraction in me and I realize I don’t like watching this movie. That is a
personal boundary. And so you will basically the most important thing that you can
possibly do is care how you feel more than anything else.
Amanda: Which is why I think there is a correlation at least in the empaths
that I’ve worked with. I would say 95% of them have come from an abusive background
and childhood. People argue that empathic abilities are something you’re born with
and it doesn’t matter if you were abused. But I do think that you can be trained
from children to, I know with me it’s kind of a preemptive thing that if I can
read everyone around me then I can prepare for whatever might happen or get out
of any situation which might be uncomfortable. And so we’re basically from a young
age trained out of paying attention to how we feel and trained instead to tune into
the environment around us.
Teal: Perfect. Could not have said that better if I tried.
Amanda: laughs
Teal: Because that is exactly the case with empaths. And empaths do not want
to see themselves in that light most often so they’d rather just think that this
is just a god-given gift that makes them feel like they are in a state of
Martyrdom for the rest of their lives. But that’s not the reality. The reality
is let’s keep the baby and throw out the bath water. The bath water is a lot of
us developed these abilities because we had seriously dangerous people we had to
read before they hurt us, or we were surrounded by people who wouldn’t love us
unless we honored their boundaries and not ours. So it’s like once we acknowledge
that we are going to be able to get rid of the negative aspects of this, and keep
the positive aspects of this. Which is really what we are all looking to do.
I don’t really want people to turn themselves off to it. I hate that too when people
ask me, “Can you switch it off?” like it’s some sort of virtue.
Amanda: When you read things about empaths it almost makes it sound like either you
have some special god-given gift that sets you apart from other people, or, you’re
defective and you need to learn how to turn it off. And I could never resonate
with anything, not that I’ve explored everyone that talks about empaths, but things
that have come into my awareness usually haven’t been very helpful. So, it’s one
of the things that I really resonated with you when we talked about it and how
important it is to really just connected with how you feel. And one of the things that
I think… There’s been a lot of talk about Light Workers and the believing that
there is a spiritual hierarchy and the light versus dark and that whole battle.
And I think that empaths really get sucked into that especially if we’ve come
from a background of abuse we so badly want to feel like we have value.
And to feel like, “Oh, we can be important. We can be important to someone. We can
be on the Light Worker’s side. We can fight evil and all of the people that hurt us.”
It kind of drums up that kind of same aggressor/victim/savior mentality. And that
is a cycle we’ve been in for so long and I think when we really get out of that and
we take 100% responsibility for how we feel, and what happened to us, and our
vibration, we get out of that whole cycle. And we realize we are the aggressor,
we are the victim, we are the savior. You know, we don’t have to facilitate those
roles.
Teal: Oh, I love that. At my last workshop I had the Christians up on stage and
we had a really good little conflict argument thing happened when I was trying to
explain to him that Jesus and The Devil are the same person. Which is 100% true.
The higher you progress through the spiritual levels you realize that regardless
if you are coming from this angle or that angle, it is all trying to get you to
the same place, which is your own truth.
Amanda: Exactly. So would you say that really learning to thrive and be empowered
with being sensitive is similar to doing shadow integration.
Teal: Yes. Hell yes. I think it’s a one-two step that we’re missing basically.
So when we have these negative aspects arise rather than trying to escape from it
by trying to do whatever makes us feel positive instantly. Whenever that thing
arises and I’ve already got the negative up, we go into that and we learn from it
because it has extremely valuable information to share with you. And you also
realize that the majority of these painful things that keep coming up for you is
in fact wounded children that are still way back stuck in the past. You’re
like a skipping CD that just can’t move forward. So when you assist those
aspects of yourself back into an integrated state where you’re bringing them into
yourself and you’re accepting that there is no resistance to those states and
instantly your vibration is like a buoy that was brought under water and instantly
just boils back to the surface. And then the one-two step is, first we’re doing
that, and second we feel the relief and association with actually allowing
yourself to feel how you feel and explore how you feel to the negative.
Once you feel the relief that’s your indication that you can begin creating
your reality. That’s the stuff most people already know how to do because
there’s enough teachers to sink a ship that are teaching that. Stuff like
positive aspect journals, affirmations. That’s the point to use that. We
don’t want to use that stuff to get away from the negative aspects that we
feel. Because those are essentially hurt aspects of ourselves. Okay, classic
empath issue is Number One: Self-Abandonment. So, self-abandonment… We can
conceptualize of what that means, of course. Self-abandonment is like a great
many things. At the primal level, self-abandonment occurs when we try to escape
how we feel. When you’re triggered and you don’t feel good and you don’t feel
significant. That’s actually an indication that there’s an unhealed aspect
of yourself stuck in a childhood version of you that is basically a three
year old you that is basically crying and making you feel insignificant in
real time. So by you trying to skip out and saying, “Focus on the happy place.
Focus on the happy place.” You are basically trying to escape from a three year
old child. It’s not that you’re like so powerful that you can finally face the demons
because you do realize that most of these demons are like tiny children
that are begging you to pick them up out of the damn crib. And once you do that
you develop the understanding that it’s not scary anymore. These things are like
ghosts that are projected through frightened children. And then you develop
this loving vibration towards yourself. So when you start to feel this way you
don’t instantly abandon yourself by going in the opposite direction of how you
actually feel and the truth of yourself right now. And that’s like a major step
when it comes to developing boundaries.
Amanda: Exactly. And there’s something incredibly empowering about as an empath is
making sure to check in constantly with how I feel. And then I connect with it.
And I say, “That’s okay. It’s okay.” I will no longer abandon myself is how
I feel.
Teal: We’re doing a quote right now which all empaths need to, like, keep this.
Put it deep in your cerebellum, okay? The quote is, “The problem is not how you
feel. The problem is that you do not feel safe to feel how you feel.”
Amanda: Exactly. Yep. Exactly. And when you open that and allow yourself to
feel what you feel and make it safe for yourself, at least in my experience,
that has changed everything. I’ve had more growth in the last year when I made
the commitment that I will no longer abandon myself and how I feel. I’ve had
more growth with this than eight years of therapy prior to that.
Teal: I feel like we also need to let ourselves go in graduated steps so we need
to be okay with what is. And that means being super honest with ourselves. I
watch a lot of empaths that feel a psychic attack from somebody, and they feel
that negative energy. They instantly go to a place either where they make an
enemy of that person or they say “No, I can completely love and accept where they are
right now”, and that’s lying to yourself. “I’m not right there. Maybe I hate her
for that. I hate that she’s doing that to me right now.” That’s a valid feeling
that we need to be able to admit to because unless we’re able to admit to that and
get angry about it move through that with ourselves, we’re never going to get to the
high enlightened place where we are able to say, “I can completely understand why
she did that.” And really mean it. And not like we’re saying it because it’s some sort
of spiritual clothing that we have put on to really hide the way that we feel.
Amanda: Exactly. Well, and I think that, again that it goes back to the whole
Light Worker mentality. it tends to breed that type of… You cut off a huge part
of your emotional field. There’s some emotions that are acceptable and a lot of them
that are not, so you only play in the ones that are “acceptable”, but you’re really
just denying what you feel. You’re suppressing.
Teal: Which is just the exact same thing that happened to us when we were children.
We weren’t allowed to feel how we felt. There were some emotions that were acceptable.
So much were unacceptable and so we did whatever we could to deny and suppress the
aspects that were unsavory to the everyone else around us. Yeah, it’s a self-fulfilling
cycle with empaths. We’re like doomed because of these abilities we developed/gifts
unless we really take the bull by the horns of this situation we are doomed to repeat
the relationship we had with our parents with the Universe, itself. We just project
that relationship over the top of the Universe. And it’s a painful… super painful
life.
Amanda: So this is what I’m really interested in. I’m interested in what the life
of an empowered empath looks like. Because what I think what is being an empathic person
or being highly sensitive can feel like a superpower if you know how to utilize emotions.
Teal: I would say that the life of an enlightened empath, like someone who is really
in am empowered state is what your archetypal vision of someone like Jesus is.
And I know some people have a resistance to him. If that’s not what you like, think
about Buddha. The reason I’m using the example of Jesus is because, not only is it
relatable to most people in the western world, but there are these images… these really
classic images of him where he is able to walk in and kneel down at the foot of all of
these leppers. And not only be able to completely understand where they are and how
they feel, and because of that, say whatever the perfect thing to say to get them
into a higher vibration. He also has absolutely no fear. The highest version of an
empath is a person who is absolutely fearless to anything. That is a person who can go
into a place that is completely destroyed by leprosy and has absolutely no attack
or fear that he will come down or become sick with that disease.
Amanda: WOW. I love that.
Teal: Now try this on for size, and this is where a lot of people are going to be able
to feel the out-of-alignmentness with protection. What would Jesus feel like to walk in
there who had himself covered in Hazmat material to work with people who had Leprosy.
That is what we’re doing when we try to protect ourselves from people, as empaths.
Amanda: WOW. That’s a really good visual.
Teal: What Jesus did was to create a vibration, himself that was so high and so strong
that it was not a match to the very conditions that he was assisting with. Because
when he walks into the room and instead of seeing everything that is wrong, and
worrying about that coming onto him, he saw what was right about them and helped
people line up with that. Look, you’re eternal beings. Look, you are not sinners.
Look, you’re always eternal and beautiful in the eyes of God. To express that
message helps that person in that low vibration to match that higher vibrations,
which is why he was able to perform the miracles he was able to perform.
Amanda: I know what the classic bible versions say, but what do you think he
innately knew about himself that allowed him to do that?
Teal: I think he knew, back then, what all these new age teachers are now starting
to teach thousands of years after the fact. See, if you understand that language it
gets very complicated because a lot of the translations lost the virtual message.
For example, in the culture he was first living in and in that language the very
word “son” means “creation”. So the problems there is that we have interpreted what
he was saying as “I am the literal, only son of God” when in reality that very word
could have meant “I am the creation of God, therefore I am not separate from God”.
Which is the same damn thing everybody is saying nowadays in the new age, which is
you are an extension of God and as such you are an eternal creator, which is why
you can turn water into wine. So, I feel like what was really going on with him was
that he had mastered this concept within the Universe, same as Buddha, that you are
absolutely indivisible from his thing that you keep praying to, and because of that
the amount of power that you have, and this is not power you have over other people,
this is power of what your life looks like. This is that you cannot be a victim to
any person, or any condition. And love is the absolute truth of your existence.
That love is God and therefore God is you. And if you’ve tapped into that you’ve
tapped into everything you need to know about yourself. That’s what I think.
Amanda: I love it. Yeah, I think you’re dead on. It definitely resonates.
Teal: Jesus was an empath. If you want me to tell you, if you look at all of these
archetypal figures throughout history who have these extra-sensory abilities, if you
want to find the cardinal empath, it was him. Buddha was more the clairvoyant.
Jesus was the empath.
Amanda: I’ve never really thought about it like that. Yeah, it’s very true. So is
there anything else that you want to cover on this topic of being empathic?
Teal: Just that I feel like that those of us that are empaths really need to learn
how to step into our power and quit forgetting that we have it. And the reality is
regardless of whether you developed these abilities because of some negative
circumstance in your childhood or not, it is still a gift and a skill that you
developed. And if you have a gift or skill, that probably means that you’re
meant to use them. And if you have a gift like that you probably have the capability
of doing exactly what I described, where you walk into a circumstance absolutely
unafraid of what is going to come at you because you know that your heart can contain it.
Amanda: I love that. Super powerful stuff. It’s so encouraging to hear people speak
about empaths from an empowering point of view, rather than “Oh, protect yourself.
You’re vulnerable.”
Teal: Well, does that feel in alignment? I mean, we need to ask ourselves
even about that. Does that feel like it’s true?
Amanda: Right. It doesn’t. It doesn’t feel like it’s true. Yeah. Well, I’m so happy
that we were able to talk about this. I know that we were going to do this in person,
but then our schedules kind of mixed up. But thank you so much for doing this. I
think this is going to be really good. I’ll share it publicly as well. I’ll put it
in my group, and you can share it if you want to because I feel it will speak
to a lot of people.
Teal: Yeah, I think so too. I think there are a hell of a lot of empaths who need a
hell of a lot of help on how to live. And it would be fun sometime to do a
workshop, I think, because obviously this is just the skin surface.
Amanda: Exactly.
Teal: Whereas I feel like we need to develop ways, y’know, like actual, tangible ways
that we as empaths can feel that empowerment in our environment. I would like to
actually do workshops where we had examples of how to approach people of what an
empath would normally do, which is probably out of alignment with what we do instead,
which help us to come into alignment.
Amanda: I love that. I mean, it’s so needed. I just started my group online, my group
on Facebook. I’ve had so many sign up for that group and so many people sign up for
my class. So many people are desperate for something different. Not just how
to protect yourself, but “How can we be empowered?” How can we come into
alignment? I love your example of Jesus. How can we walk into situations fearlessly?
I think we should totally do a workshop. I think it would be huge.
Teal: I’ll do it.
Amanda: Let’s do it.
Teal and Amanda: laughing
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