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Amanda: In terms of this interview what I wanted to do is just…

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Well, I told you how I talked to my empath group about our conversation

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where you were talking about when you were in China and the guy that you

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worked with said to breathe in people’s energy.

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That’s a really interesting way of putting it. I’ve

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never heard it put that way, and quite explicitly.

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And some people were really triggered by that idea.

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So, I thought it would be awesome to have you talk more

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specifically about what that is.

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Teal: Hell yeah. Let’s just jump right into it. I love it.

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Amanda: And I have a lot of good questions for you too.

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Teal: Fuck yeah!

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Amanda: So you know that, first of all, one of the things we talk

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about in my group is the difference between an empath needing protection

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and having discernment. And also one of the videos I did said that empaths

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need healing, not protection. How important it is to heal the emotional body.

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And there’s certain things that we go over a lot. I work with so many empaths.

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It seems like there’s almost a glorification of unhealthy dynamics with empaths.

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That kind of perpetual martyr syndrome and perpetual victim syndrome.

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And this “Oh, I’m so sensitive and everybody comes to me and I have to protect myself”.

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It just seems like a lot of empaths are really unhealthy and I think

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that is simply because we haven’t healed.

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Anyway, so yeah, I know you and I have talked about this a lot.

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But I want to hear what your opinion is, not just opinion, your experience

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with being highly sensitive, with being empathic. You obviously went through

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a lot and have had to learn how to thrive. And be empowered as an empath,

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not just be protected.

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Teal: So, just start off? <i>giggles</i>

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Amanda: Start off.

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Teal: I think that, first, what needs to be said is that I’ve never met

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an empath in my life that doesn’t suffer from serious boundary issues.

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So the real issue with us is not the empathicness, in and of itself.

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It’s the fact that we have serious problems with a sense of self.

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So, first we should be talking about what healthy boundaries are.

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But I think our major issue that we have is that we take this gift

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and we assume that it has to come with the package of all these

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unhealthy things, right?

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Amanda: Right.

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Teal: When it really, honestly doesn’t. It could be argued that

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part of what gets people to the place where they are even

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empathic in the first place might be having poor boundaries

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because of the family dynamic that they were in when they were

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younger. So, for example, a little girl says, “I don’t wan’t to do that.”

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And mom says, “Oh, come on. Be nice now.” And so she learns to tear

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down her separations. She learns to tear down her definition of

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of what is true for her, or what’s right for her versus what is

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right or true for other people. And that enables her to sense

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what everybody else is feeling because they don’t sense the

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difference between themselves and other people.

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So, that could be one of those contrasting experiences that we

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opt into so we can develop this empathic behavior. But at the same time

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it’s like our evolution is to develop to maintain that connection

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with people where the lines are blurred and we perceive oneness

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more so than other people, but simultaneously where we’re able to

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have a separate sense of self. Sort of like, this is where I

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begin and end. So, a lot of the issues with what to do to keep

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ourselves in a state of integrity as empaths has to do with

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this fact that we have no idea what a healthy boundary is.

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We think of boundaries like fences because what boundary we know.

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And fences are really designed to keep other people out.

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What I’d like to explain to people is that is not what a boundary is.

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A boundary doesn’t really have anything to do with other people.

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It has to do with your sense of self.

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It’s almost like saying, “This is what’s true for me. This is what I like

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and don’t want and don’t like. These are my emotions. This is what I am feeling.”

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So we have to have a sense of that and that’s how we know where we start

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and where we end. We’re playing in this third dimension where we have this

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illusion basically of separateness and it’s benefiting us to have this

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illusion of separateness right now. and as long as we know it’s an

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illusion, which we don’t have to help empaths with that aspect

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because we know it’s an illusion. But we have to help empaths to feel

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safe to engage in that illusion sometimes. So, rather than a boundary

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meaning “This is what I’m going to let you do and not do to me”.

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A boundary is about what I say “yes” to relative to myself.

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So, when you’re thinking about other people encroaching on you

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I can say “no” to you, or I can say “yes” to me.

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So, sometimes saying “no” to you is saying “yes” to me.

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Where as other times me saying “no” to you is just that.

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Amanda: Right

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Teal: It’s me resisting you. And that’s going to do nothing, but

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bring it closer, which is the number one argument empaths

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protecting themselves is that it is not possible to focus on

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resisting something, which is what you’re doing when you’re

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“protecting yourself”. It’s like a shield. When I bring up

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a shield I am protecting myself, which means I am resisting

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something that is coming at me. So you can’t focus at the

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idea of protection while simultaneously creating the idea

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of something that you need to protect yourself against.

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Amanda: Exactly. So I’ve talked about this a lot, and one of the

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biggest things I always get people saying back to me, especially

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people who are empathic and have other extra-sensory abilities as well,

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is that the psychic realm is real and psychic attack is real and there’s

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a lot of really dangerous things out there. And to tell someone that they

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don’t need to protect themselves is like giving them no armor against what

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could potentially be incredibly dangerous for them.

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So what would you say, especially in those sort of realms like the psychic

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realm, what would you say to that?

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Teal: I would state that it is very dangerous to engage in those types of thoughts.

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As an empath you are more acutely aware of the oneness that exists, but the

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moment that you say you have to protect yourself against something you’re

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ignoring the fact that the aspect that you’re mirroring is actually yourself.

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Basically we could concern ourselves all day long with trying to fix the

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reflection in the mirror, or we could try to fix whatever it is that is

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causing the reflection. So, when empaths are trying to say I want to protect

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myself against all of these psychic attacks they’re essentially stepping in

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front of a mirror and seeing that they’re a match to feeling like victims.

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And then they’re trying to scrub the reflection clean without saying “Okay,

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obviously for me to be a match to psychic attack…” I want you to think

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about it like this, like there’s two magnets. For psychic attack to actually work

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one side of you can be engaged. So, let’s say that this is a demon.

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Let’s just pretend. So, a demon basically is trying to get into you or

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another person’s energy is trying to get into you. It can’t actually

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make the connection unless this side, kind of like a negative aspect

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of the magnet is magnetized to the degree that it goes like this…

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<i>slaps hands together</i>

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Amanda: Right.

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Teal: It does not matter what anyone is focusing at you in this reality unless you are

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a match to it.

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Amanda: Exactly

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Teal: So really the question is, “Why am I a match to all these things coming

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at me in such an extreme way?” And this is why the practice of completely

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opening yourself up to these energies is so powerful. Because when you do that

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you’re acknowledging to some degree that you are welcoming of it.

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So you’re not resisting it anymore. And we realize that in this reality

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that anything that we resist persists, right?

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So, if I resist that demon coming at me I am now focusing on that

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demon coming at me and I am making myself a match to it.

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If in that moment, a demon is coming at me and I open myself up.

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And I’m actually able to do this. This is not like something that

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I’m not wanting to do. So let’s say that I am actually able

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to open myself up and saying, “I welcome and receive you as my teacher”.

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I have a complete… like my polarity basically is not negative/positive.

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It can’t connect, right?

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Amanda: Right.

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Teal: I have just given them a vibration that they are not a match to.

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Amanda: Right.

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Teal: So if anything wants to attack me… This is like a really, really ancient

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philosophy which even the martial artists understand, which is that I am

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able to completely open myself up to the bullet it cannot go off.

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I am now bending the space-time reality because I made myself a

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non-match to the experience. So what I am calling empaths to do,

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which was the major changing point in my life is that I am calling

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empaths to create a vibration of such magnitude that they are able to

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be an ocean that absorbs everything that everything is diluted in.

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We as empaths, our issue is that we visualize ourselves because of

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our poor boundaries as very, very small and very weak. And everyone’s

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intruding on us. If we could come into this space where we’re saying,

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“You know what? Maybe I was given this ability for a reason. Maybe

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I am capable of transmuting everyone’s vibrations.”

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We are actually switching to a frequency that is so high that we can’t

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become a match to experiencing the attack.

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I’m like the perfect, prime example of this.

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I am not the person that came up with this idea regardless of understanding

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the way that the universe works. I was the person who was at 17, 18, 19,

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“I can’t go outside without my hoodie on because even that’s just too much

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energy coming in towards me. I’m not cut out for this world.”

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This is what most empaths are like, right? “I’m too sensitive.

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And this world is not, so maybe I’m not meant to be here.”

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Amanda: Mm-hmm

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Teal: So when I went to China originally this guy was watching me and

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said this makes no sense. You have to understand that whenever you walk

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into a room with that vibration you are match to things like it.

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And I didn’t understand the correlation until he made me do it.

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He said, “See right now, you’re cowering as this person is walking towards you.

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Do you feel the energy of that and what that might be a match to?”

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So then he takes me to this train station and he says, “Stop doing that!

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When people walk in I want you to think about yourself being big enough with

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enough magnitude of breathing all of these energies in.”

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And I did, and I expected the worst, right?

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But I am in a place as an empath, which most of us are, which is like,

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“You know it’s really not worth living this way anyway. So, why not? If I

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get annihilated by this practice, it’s just going to be what I was

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planning on doing to myself anyway.” So I go and I breath it in and

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after a few breaths I realized, “Oh my God, nothing’s happening to me right now

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because of this.” Because I had this open attitude there’s nothing really

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for these energies to hit against. So you’re not feeling the impact.

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And that like shifted absolutely everything in my life. I was able to

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go out into public. I stopped wearing hoods. Y’know, it was just amazing.

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And I really realize that anytime that you’re engaging in this idea of

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protection are you buying into the illusions of self-other, right?

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Amanda: Right. Yep.

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Teal: You’re really also making yourself a match to attack.

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Amanda: Exactly. So what about… I know you’ve said there’s still days that

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you feel more vulnerable than others. And what do you do? Do you have any practices

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or things that you do? What I would call discernment, if you know your vibration

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is low for example, do you do certain things to make sure you’re not in situations

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that make you more vulnerable?

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Teal: Oh yeah. Hell yeah. See, this is the difference. The difference is once

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you’re conscious of yourself being a match to it, it’s not about the other thing.

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Actually, I just figured out why we did this. Okay.

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Amanda: <i>laughs</i>

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Teal: So the day before Halloween, and I have a very hard time because of

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my childhood on Halloween. So I understand that just because that date is coming

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up and that I have body memory because of that date I’m already in a

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lower kind of vibration. And so I went over to this friend’s house and

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basically we made this trip through the woods, and I had this moment.

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So she basically told me, “There’s this tree that is by my house that has

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bones that are tied up in the tree.” Now that triggered me… instantly, right?

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It’s not something the friend was doing to hurt me, but that triggered

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me because of my associations with bones being tied in trees has to do with my

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childhood. So at that moment I had a choice. This is about poor boundaries

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versus good boundaries. The self-loving version of Teal could have said,

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“I don’t really want to go on a walk by that tree.” Now because I am

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typical of a poor boundary empath I was thinking, “Well, I don’t want to

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make this friend upset. I’m just going to go on the walk anyways.”

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So, I go on the walk and sure enough I’m in a low vibration the entire

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time I’m on that walk. Later that night I ended up being a match to one

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of the worst psychic attacks that I have experienced in years.

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Amanda: WOW.

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Teal: Yeah, like super bad. Basically I woke up and I was in complete sleep

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paralysis and I was blended between the fourth and third dimension and

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there was this enormous leathery red… It was a demon-looking thing on top of me.

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Now, PANIC, FREAK OUT. Stand up. Smudged the entire house with Paulo Santo and I’m

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like, “What the hell is it about this that is destroying my reality. Maybe I

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can’t hang out with that friend anymore. Maybe she’s psychic attacking me, right?”

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And I’d go into the typical thing that we do. Now, I sat down after calming

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myself down and decided to do what I can do, which is to see what happened

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on a conscious level so it’s not happening in dream time and sleep time

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when we’re in between. And what I discovered was quite interesting. The place that

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we were walking actually made me a match to this thought-form which was created

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here in Park City by the people who used to be miners here. So, the story

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goes like this… There was a miner that came into Prospect and it used to be that

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they would pay a certain amount to go to a certain place and be able to dig

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there for a certain amount of days. Now, the place this guy wanted to dig

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was given to another Prospector and he basically thought that was a personal

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vendetta. So he got really angry about that personal vendetta and he ended

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up going there and killed the guy very brutally and then he moved the

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body, and in the process this body bled out, basically. So, it had no more

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blood in it. And so when he moved it to this place and then left it and he skipped

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town, the people that then found the body and saw that it was bloodless and had

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slash marks on his neck they basically thought, because a lot of them came from

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the east coast, that this has to be like the Jersey Devil.

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They thought there was one of these things in Park City. So it becomes a belief

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in the group of people who were living here that every inexplicable thing that

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was blamed on this Park City version of the Jersey Devil. But if you understand

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thought-form, people who believe in something enough, they can actually create

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a multi-dimensional thought-form which is what they thought it was. And that

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was what I picked up on my hike because of being in that victim vibration.

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So, I helped it to cross over and all this other stuff. I explained to it that

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they don’t believe in you anymore. You don’t have to exist anymore, so that’s

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done. The reason I am telling you this story is because it would be very easy

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to say that I need to protect myself because there are all these things that

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are going to attack me. What it really is, is recognizing that I was already triggered

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prior to going out, which is what made me a match to that experience. It was

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that connection of the magnet. So it’s about, “What do I do next time?”

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Okay, if I feel that feeling of “This is not right for me”, I get to honor that.

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And so like, really the majority… I have a lot of practice which I could talk to

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you about. But the number one thing for me and for all empaths is to realize

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how to freaking honor our feelings, which WE DON’T DO.

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Amanda: Exactly. I know for me that’s one of the number one reasons whenever I

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have become a match to something that is like that. Or I’m extremely triggered

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and then I feel like a victim or something happens in that way, or I get

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psychically attacked it’s because of that exact thing. I haven’t

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honored my feelings and honored what I knew I was told or what I felt.

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And actually you helped me a lot. A few months ago I remember I had sent you a text

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because I was feeling psychically attacked and that never happens to me. Like I’ve

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never really had that happen, but a particular person I was working with was

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pretty mentally disturbed. I had triggered this person somehow and I could feel

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the… It almost felt like a penetration on my third-eye. Very intense. And I could always

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recognize this person’s energy signature. And I know these things, but I remember

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texting you because it was so overwhelming and so shocking. And I had never

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experienced that before. And you kind of gave me some suggestions with essential

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oils, but the main thing you said was to do a lot of inner-child work around

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feeling victimized. And I spent about three days just recognizing what that

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feeling was, when the first times was that I felt this way, going within, and asking my

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inner-child what she needed. And realizing as I honored that and I went to her and did

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not make it about the other person at all, and then it complete went away and I

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have not felt it since.

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Teal: Yep.

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Amanda: And it also makes you feel empowered because you realize that it isn’t

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something out of your control. This is within me. I can go in and I can deal with

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it, rather than it being something scary out there that you have no control over.

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Teal: Exactly. Which is what we have to get away from as empaths because we

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run the risk more than any other type of person of falling into that trap 100%.

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So, I have to be very careful with my vibration. That is what I have decided about

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myself over the years through a lot of trial and error. Basically, because you’re

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an empath you run the risk of this ability going super, super south on you and

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attracting only bad feeling things, right? And that is not an objective picture of

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reality. We have to understand that. As empaths the objective picture of reality

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is that we should be feeling equally as much as bad, if not more good than bad,

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because more good actually does exist in this universe. So, if that’s not the case

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that means we have a vibration which makes us only a match to seething things

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which are negative. So I have to watch it with my vibration from the get-go.

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That means the minute I wake up in the morning I have my positive aspects journal.

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Now this thing has been like a God-send for me because it makes me a vibrational

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match to these things I write down. Now this might sound like a really super

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kind of trite self-help technique, but the reality is if you are going to acknowledge

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that we live in a Universe that is governed by Law of Attraction, whatever vibration

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I get into dictates what I am a match to. So when I wake up in the morning I will

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take this out and write an entire page about things that I feel good about right now,

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or today. I have to focus on anything that causes me to feel emotionally good.

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That is how I start my day. Now that ensures, basically, that I’ve started a snowball

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of attraction in my life where I wake up and my day starts going good. So, when

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people come to me for help, it’s not like people who come to me don’t come with

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negative things. What it is is that I’m more a match to seeing the solutions

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then I am a match to seeing the problems. The problems are something I’m aware

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of, but it’s not something that becomes mine. Make sense?

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Amanda: Right.

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Teal: So I’m able to hold a much higher frequency for people who come to see me

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then I would otherwise have been. And I do this exercise when I wake up and when

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I go to sleep. So, that’s one example. All empaths basically have to take the bull

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by the horns of their own vibration. It’s not about what I’m allowing you to do or

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not do. It’s about what I am doing to ensure that I am good and okay. And that’s

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going to be different for every single one of us. It’s like a lot of us that are

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empaths really need to learn to be divas. And being a diva is not about what I am

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telling you to do or not to do around me, right? It’s more about me honoring what

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I need. So if I am sort of convinced that it is a diva thing that I have to take a

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bath in salt every single morning, then that is what I have to do.

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Amanda: Right <i>laughs</i>

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Teal: So, we have to start experimenting with how good it feels and how less you need

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to protect yourself when you really set things up from the get-go. That means that

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you develop relationships with people who are completely open from the beginning.

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So when any issue comes up you expose it completely. You and I were

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practicing this a little bit before you left California. You remember how we were

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sitting down and I was telling you about this reception process where

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it feels really good for empaths to explain to each other what the motive for

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doing things is, both the shadow aspects and the positive aspects. That enables us

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to feel safer right? So maybe that’s something that you need and that is in alignment

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with your own personal boundaries in your relationships. So let’s say you, Amanda, gave

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me a present and I ask you why you gave me this present. And then the practice in our

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relationship is you saying the full truth about why you did that. Maybe one part is

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maybe you really like to see me happy or maybe the other part is that you feel guilty

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that you didn’t respond to my phone call.

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Amanda: It just keeps everything in the open. And when someone is honest from the

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get-go about even the shadow side of what their motives are it makes it so that there

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isn’t any hidden agenda or something that is going to come up unexpectedly.

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Teal: Completely. So not to be totally weird and plug stuff in here, but I do

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actually have a really good resource for people who really want to understand

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about boundaries and start figuring out their own boundaries and conceptualizing

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what the hell that even means. I did a YouTube video that is called something like

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“How to Have Healthy Boundaries”. Maybe if you go to YouTube and you type in

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“Teal Swan Healthy Boundaries” and it may come up that way. I explain what boundaries

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are and questions you can ask yourself that help you to develop your own boundaries.

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And I explain something in that video that is super crucial, which I want to repeat

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here for people who are empathic, which is that you can get really complicated

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with all types of boundaries. religious boundaries, spiritual boundaries, personal

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boundaries, relationship boundaries, whatever they are, right? But you can sum

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them all up in this way… You always know what your boundaries are based on how

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you feel. So I’m watching this program and I know that this just causes a

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contraction in me and I realize I don’t like watching this movie. That is a

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personal boundary. And so you will basically the most important thing that you can

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possibly do is care how you feel more than anything else.

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Amanda: Which is why I think there is a correlation at least in the empaths

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that I’ve worked with. I would say 95% of them have come from an abusive background

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and childhood. People argue that empathic abilities are something you’re born with

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and it doesn’t matter if you were abused. But I do think that you can be trained

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from children to, I know with me it’s kind of a preemptive thing that if I can

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read everyone around me then I can prepare for whatever might happen or get out

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of any situation which might be uncomfortable. And so we’re basically from a young

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age trained out of paying attention to how we feel and trained instead to tune into

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the environment around us.

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Teal: Perfect. Could not have said that better if I tried.

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Amanda: <i>laughs</i>

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Teal: Because that is exactly the case with empaths. And empaths do not want

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to see themselves in that light most often so they’d rather just think that this

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is just a god-given gift that makes them feel like they are in a state of

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Martyrdom for the rest of their lives. But that’s not the reality. The reality

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is let’s keep the baby and throw out the bath water. The bath water is a lot of

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us developed these abilities because we had seriously dangerous people we had to

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read before they hurt us, or we were surrounded by people who wouldn’t love us

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unless we honored their boundaries and not ours. So it’s like once we acknowledge

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that we are going to be able to get rid of the negative aspects of this, and keep

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the positive aspects of this. Which is really what we are all looking to do.

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I don’t really want people to turn themselves off to it. I hate that too when people

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ask me, “Can you switch it off?” like it’s some sort of virtue.

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Amanda: When you read things about empaths it almost makes it sound like either you

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have some special god-given gift that sets you apart from other people, or, you’re

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defective and you need to learn how to turn it off. And I could never resonate

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with anything, not that I’ve explored everyone that talks about empaths, but things

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that have come into my awareness usually haven’t been very helpful. So, it’s one

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of the things that I really resonated with you when we talked about it and how

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important it is to really just connected with how you feel. And one of the things that

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I think… There’s been a lot of talk about Light Workers and the believing that

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there is a spiritual hierarchy and the light versus dark and that whole battle.

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And I think that empaths really get sucked into that especially if we’ve come

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from a background of abuse we so badly want to feel like we have value.

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And to feel like, “Oh, we can be important. We can be important to someone. We can

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be on the Light Worker’s side. We can fight evil and all of the people that hurt us.”

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It kind of drums up that kind of same aggressor/victim/savior mentality. And that

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is a cycle we’ve been in for so long and I think when we really get out of that and

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we take 100% responsibility for how we feel, and what happened to us, and our

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vibration, we get out of that whole cycle. And we realize we are the aggressor,

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we are the victim, we are the savior. You know, we don’t have to facilitate those

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roles.

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Teal: Oh, I love that. At my last workshop I had the Christians up on stage and

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we had a really good little conflict argument thing happened when I was trying to

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explain to him that Jesus and The Devil are the same person. Which is 100% true.

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The higher you progress through the spiritual levels you realize that regardless

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if you are coming from this angle or that angle, it is all trying to get you to

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the same place, which is your own truth.

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Amanda: Exactly. So would you say that really learning to thrive and be empowered

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with being sensitive is similar to doing shadow integration.

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Teal: Yes. Hell yes. I think it’s a one-two step that we’re missing basically.

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So when we have these negative aspects arise rather than trying to escape from it

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by trying to do whatever makes us feel positive instantly. Whenever that thing

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arises and I’ve already got the negative up, we go into that and we learn from it

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because it has extremely valuable information to share with you. And you also

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realize that the majority of these painful things that keep coming up for you is

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in fact wounded children that are still way back stuck in the past. You’re

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like a skipping CD that just can’t move forward. So when you assist those

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aspects of yourself back into an integrated state where you’re bringing them into

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yourself and you’re accepting that there is no resistance to those states and

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instantly your vibration is like a buoy that was brought under water and instantly

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just boils back to the surface. And then the one-two step is, first we’re doing

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that, and second we feel the relief and association with actually allowing

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yourself to feel how you feel and explore how you feel to the negative.

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Once you feel the relief that’s your indication that you can begin creating

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your reality. That’s the stuff most people already know how to do because

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there’s enough teachers to sink a ship that are teaching that. Stuff like

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positive aspect journals, affirmations. That’s the point to use that. We

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don’t want to use that stuff to get away from the negative aspects that we

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feel. Because those are essentially hurt aspects of ourselves. Okay, classic

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empath issue is Number One: Self-Abandonment. So, self-abandonment… We can

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conceptualize of what that means, of course. Self-abandonment is like a great

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many things. At the primal level, self-abandonment occurs when we try to escape

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how we feel. When you’re triggered and you don’t feel good and you don’t feel

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significant. That’s actually an indication that there’s an unhealed aspect

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of yourself stuck in a childhood version of you that is basically a three

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year old you that is basically crying and making you feel insignificant in

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real time. So by you trying to skip out and saying, “Focus on the happy place.

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Focus on the happy place.” You are basically trying to escape from a three year

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old child. It’s not that you’re like so powerful that you can finally face the demons

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because you do realize that most of these demons are like tiny children

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that are begging you to pick them up out of the damn crib. And once you do that

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you develop the understanding that it’s not scary anymore. These things are like

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ghosts that are projected through frightened children. And then you develop

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this loving vibration towards yourself. So when you start to feel this way you

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don’t instantly abandon yourself by going in the opposite direction of how you

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actually feel and the truth of yourself right now. And that’s like a major step

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when it comes to developing boundaries.

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Amanda: Exactly. And there’s something incredibly empowering about as an empath is

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making sure to check in constantly with how I feel. And then I connect with it.

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And I say, “That’s okay. It’s okay.” I will no longer abandon myself is how

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I feel.

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Teal: We’re doing a quote right now which all empaths need to, like, keep this.

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Put it deep in your cerebellum, okay? The quote is, “The problem is not how you

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feel. The problem is that you do not feel safe to feel how you feel.”

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Amanda: Exactly. Yep. Exactly. And when you open that and allow yourself to

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feel what you feel and make it safe for yourself, at least in my experience,

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that has changed everything. I’ve had more growth in the last year when I made

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the commitment that I will no longer abandon myself and how I feel. I’ve had

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more growth with this than eight years of therapy prior to that.

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Teal: I feel like we also need to let ourselves go in graduated steps so we need

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to be okay with what is. And that means being super honest with ourselves. I

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watch a lot of empaths that feel a psychic attack from somebody, and they feel

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that negative energy. They instantly go to a place either where they make an

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enemy of that person or they say “No, I can completely love and accept where they are

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right now”, and that’s lying to yourself. “I’m not right there. Maybe I hate her

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for that. I hate that she’s doing that to me right now.” That’s a valid feeling

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that we need to be able to admit to because unless we’re able to admit to that and

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get angry about it move through that with ourselves, we’re never going to get to the

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high enlightened place where we are able to say, “I can completely understand why

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she did that.” And really mean it. And not like we’re saying it because it’s some sort

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of spiritual clothing that we have put on to really hide the way that we feel.

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Amanda: Exactly. Well, and I think that, again that it goes back to the whole

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Light Worker mentality. it tends to breed that type of… You cut off a huge part

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of your emotional field. There’s some emotions that are acceptable and a lot of them

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that are not, so you only play in the ones that are “acceptable”, but you’re really

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just denying what you feel. You’re suppressing.

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Teal: Which is just the exact same thing that happened to us when we were children.

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We weren’t allowed to feel how we felt. There were some emotions that were acceptable.

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So much were unacceptable and so we did whatever we could to deny and suppress the

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aspects that were unsavory to the everyone else around us. Yeah, it’s a self-fulfilling

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cycle with empaths. We’re like doomed because of these abilities we developed/gifts

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unless we really take the bull by the horns of this situation we are doomed to repeat

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the relationship we had with our parents with the Universe, itself. We just project

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that relationship over the top of the Universe. And it’s a painful… super painful

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life.

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Amanda: So this is what I’m really interested in. I’m interested in what the life

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of an empowered empath looks like. Because what I think what is being an empathic person

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or being highly sensitive can feel like a superpower if you know how to utilize emotions.

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Teal: I would say that the life of an enlightened empath, like someone who is really

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in am empowered state is what your archetypal vision of someone like Jesus is.

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And I know some people have a resistance to him. If that’s not what you like, think

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about Buddha. The reason I’m using the example of Jesus is because, not only is it

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relatable to most people in the western world, but there are these images… these really

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classic images of him where he is able to walk in and kneel down at the foot of all of

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these leppers. And not only be able to completely understand where they are and how

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they feel, and because of that, say whatever the perfect thing to say to get them

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into a higher vibration. He also has absolutely no fear. The highest version of an

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empath is a person who is absolutely fearless to anything. That is a person who can go

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into a place that is completely destroyed by leprosy and has absolutely no attack

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or fear that he will come down or become sick with that disease.

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Amanda: WOW. I love that.

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Teal: Now try this on for size, and this is where a lot of people are going to be able

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to feel the out-of-alignmentness with protection. What would Jesus feel like to walk in

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there who had himself covered in Hazmat material to work with people who had Leprosy.

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That is what we’re doing when we try to protect ourselves from people, as empaths.

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Amanda: WOW. That’s a really good visual.

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Teal: What Jesus did was to create a vibration, himself that was so high and so strong

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that it was not a match to the very conditions that he was assisting with. Because

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when he walks into the room and instead of seeing everything that is wrong, and

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worrying about that coming onto him, he saw what was right about them and helped

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people line up with that. Look, you’re eternal beings. Look, you are not sinners.

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Look, you’re always eternal and beautiful in the eyes of God. To express that

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message helps that person in that low vibration to match that higher vibrations,

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which is why he was able to perform the miracles he was able to perform.

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Amanda: I know what the classic bible versions say, but what do you think he

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innately knew about himself that allowed him to do that?

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Teal: I think he knew, back then, what all these new age teachers are now starting

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to teach thousands of years after the fact. See, if you understand that language it

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gets very complicated because a lot of the translations lost the virtual message.

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For example, in the culture he was first living in and in that language the very

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word “son” means “creation”. So the problems there is that we have interpreted what

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he was saying as “I am the literal, only son of God” when in reality that very word

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could have meant “I am the creation of God, therefore I am not separate from God”.

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Which is the same damn thing everybody is saying nowadays in the new age, which is

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you are an extension of God and as such you are an eternal creator, which is why

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you can turn water into wine. So, I feel like what was really going on with him was

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that he had mastered this concept within the Universe, same as Buddha, that you are

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absolutely indivisible from his thing that you keep praying to, and because of that

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the amount of power that you have, and this is not power you have over other people,

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this is power of what your life looks like. This is that you cannot be a victim to

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any person, or any condition. And love is the absolute truth of your existence.

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That love is God and therefore God is you. And if you’ve tapped into that you’ve

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tapped into everything you need to know about yourself. That’s what I think.

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Amanda: I love it. Yeah, I think you’re dead on. It definitely resonates.

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Teal: Jesus was an empath. If you want me to tell you, if you look at all of these

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archetypal figures throughout history who have these extra-sensory abilities, if you

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want to find the cardinal empath, it was him. Buddha was more the clairvoyant.

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Jesus was the empath.

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Amanda: I’ve never really thought about it like that. Yeah, it’s very true. So is

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there anything else that you want to cover on this topic of being empathic?

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Teal: Just that I feel like that those of us that are empaths really need to learn

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how to step into our power and quit forgetting that we have it. And the reality is

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regardless of whether you developed these abilities because of some negative

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circumstance in your childhood or not, it is still a gift and a skill that you

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developed. And if you have a gift or skill, that probably means that you’re

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meant to use them. And if you have a gift like that you probably have the capability

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of doing exactly what I described, where you walk into a circumstance absolutely

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unafraid of what is going to come at you because you know that your heart can contain it.

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Amanda: I love that. Super powerful stuff. It’s so encouraging to hear people speak

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about empaths from an empowering point of view, rather than “Oh, protect yourself.

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You’re vulnerable.”

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Teal: Well, does that feel in alignment? I mean, we need to ask ourselves

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even about that. Does that feel like it’s true?

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Amanda: Right. It doesn’t. It doesn’t feel like it’s true. Yeah. Well, I’m so happy

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that we were able to talk about this. I know that we were going to do this in person,

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but then our schedules kind of mixed up. But thank you so much for doing this. I

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think this is going to be really good. I’ll share it publicly as well. I’ll put it

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in my group, and you can share it if you want to because I feel it will speak

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to a lot of people.

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Teal: Yeah, I think so too. I think there are a hell of a lot of empaths who need a

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hell of a lot of help on how to live. And it would be fun sometime to do a

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workshop, I think, because obviously this is just the skin surface.

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Amanda: Exactly.

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Teal: Whereas I feel like we need to develop ways, y’know, like actual, tangible ways

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that we as empaths can feel that empowerment in our environment. I would like to

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actually do workshops where we had examples of how to approach people of what an

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empath would normally do, which is probably out of alignment with what we do instead,

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which help us to come into alignment.

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Amanda: I love that. I mean, it’s so needed. I just started my group online, my group

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on Facebook. I’ve had so many sign up for that group and so many people sign up for

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my class. So many people are desperate for something different. Not just how

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to protect yourself, but “How can we be empowered?” How can we come into

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alignment? I love your example of Jesus. How can we walk into situations fearlessly?

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I think we should totally do a workshop. I think it would be huge.

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Teal: I’ll do it.

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Amanda: Let’s do it.

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Teal and Amanda: <i>laughing</i>

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